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20:31:40 <ennael> hi all
20:32:01 <MrsB> o/
20:32:06 <tmb> hi
20:32:11 <ennael> #topic FOSDEM review and votes
20:32:12 <DavidWHodgins> Hi everyone
20:32:24 <ennael> ok first topic is quick
20:32:38 <ennael> anybody wants to speak about FOSDEM ?
20:33:16 <MrsB> atelier has started a pad to work on a blog post
20:34:18 <ennael> I need also to finalize moral report and write it on the wiki
20:34:30 <MrsB> sounds like it was a good do
20:34:40 <MrsB> did you see marja's interview?
20:35:54 <filip_> hi there
20:35:58 <DavidWHodgins> I didn't. Where was the link posted
20:36:10 <DavidWHodgins> Hi filip_
20:36:19 <ennael> yep also there is something in HackerPublicRadio don't know if there is seomthig online
20:36:22 <MrsB> http://youtu.be/BDLNbA6kERI
20:36:23 <[mbot> [ Interview about Mageia Linux Community at Fosdem 2015 - YouTube ]
20:37:42 <ennael> http://hackerpublicradio.org/
20:37:43 <[mbot> [ Hacker Public Radio ~ The Technology Community Podcast Network ]
20:37:49 <ennael> look for Mageia
20:38:55 <DavidWHodgins> marga looks a lot like my sister.
20:39:51 <ennael> otherwise that was a good editio indeed, reallt crowdy
20:40:02 <ennael> really
20:40:46 <wilcal> Basic question about FOSDEM this year vs last. Was it well attending this year
20:40:54 <sebsebseb> ok so those were the two marja things I got told about
20:40:58 <wilcal> attended
20:40:59 <sebsebseb> by her
20:41:18 <sebsebseb> wilcal: yes and a better stand to
20:41:23 <wilcal> Cool
20:41:43 <DavidWHodgins> Too expensive for me, and I don't even have a passport, so no way for me.
20:42:15 <wilcal> Airline costs were about 2x from last year prohibiting me from making the flight
20:42:44 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Strange given the drop in oil prices.
20:43:01 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins:  yeah you and wilcal can maybe get together and get to some of the Amerian events with a Mageia pressence :d.  or Canadain if someting there
20:43:08 <wilcal> Yep, but somewhat good reasons for it
20:43:39 <wilcal> There's LUG here in San Diego attend on occasion
20:44:54 <ennael> ok now we have to organize votes
20:45:45 <ennael> I will mail for board to replace guys missing in action
20:46:02 <MrsB> yes, we need to fill some positions
20:46:24 <papoteur> ennael: how many places at board?
20:46:27 <ennael> so if some are interested stay tuned
20:46:32 <ennael> 2 I guess
20:46:37 <ennael> oliver and dams
20:48:15 <papoteur> who votes for the board?
20:48:26 <ennael> association members
20:48:40 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: wilcal and I are over 4,000 km apart, and I don't have a passport, so can't enter the us.
20:49:33 <ennael> so the idea for now is just to start orgaizing things for vote
20:50:06 <wilcal> Mandriva used to have Installer Days I can't remember if Mageia has done one of those
20:50:17 <MrsB> association members are ex council, ex board, where else do they come from?
20:50:23 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: that was a joke :d
20:50:27 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: or kind of
20:50:45 <sebsebseb> wilcal: there was a Mageia day I think, but didn't go so well if so
20:51:38 <sebsebseb> what was the other Marja thing,  she got interviewd for two things
20:52:09 <ennael> MrsB: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Statutes#Article_6_-_Composition_of_the_association
20:52:34 <grenoya> sebsebseb: wilcal: please guys, could we focus on the topic :)
20:53:00 <ennael> ok questions on votes ?
20:53:09 <MrsB> knew I'd seen it somewhere
20:53:14 <DavidWHodgins> When should they be done?
20:53:40 <ennael> in the beginning of march
20:53:46 <ennael> would be nice
20:53:53 <ennael> even now if you are ready :)
20:55:27 <Akien> I guess you can already ask for candidates on the association-members ML
20:55:43 <MrsB> Just to be clear, this is the timetable for team leadership elections aswell as board
20:55:47 <ennael> yep will do
20:55:49 <Akien> Maybe for next Monday or so, and then start the vote on epoll as we did the precedent years
20:56:15 <ennael> some teams did not use epoll as they thought discussio was enough
20:56:21 <ennael> so it's up to you all
20:57:00 <Akien> Yep I was only speaking for the board
20:57:38 <ennael> anything o that topic ?
20:57:45 <grenoya> shouldn't we do team election before board one?
20:58:14 <filip_> grenoya: good point
20:58:23 <DavidWHodgins> I don't see an association-members mailing list on https://ml.magia.org/l/lists
20:59:41 <ennael> http://people.mageia.org/g/mga-association-members.html
20:59:42 <[mbot> [ people.mageia.org: g/mga-association-members ]
20:59:57 <ennael> association-members@group.mageia.org
21:00:21 <Akien> DavidWHodgins: It's not a ML actually, it's a group alias
21:00:30 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, Thanks.
21:00:58 <ennael> ok Mageia 5 now !
21:01:04 <ennael> #topic Mageia 5 release
21:01:19 <ennael> so some of you may have attended meeting last week
21:01:28 <DavidWHodgins> Any eta on when the release blockers are likely to be fixed?
21:01:28 <wilcal> Lots of people are working very hard on M5
21:01:29 <MrsB> looooong meeting
21:01:37 <ennael> a loooong one but rather constructive
21:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, it was about 3 hours.
21:01:47 <MrsB> yes very productive
21:01:57 <ennael> 10 of them has bee fixed
21:02:06 <ennael> some are to be checked and closed
21:02:10 <ennael> and some in progress
21:02:16 <wilcal> The black MCC windows thingy got fixed YIPPEEEEEE!!!!!
21:02:19 <Akien> grenoya: We don't need to elect council members before the vote, because the association members are those of the previous council : https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org#Mageia_association_active_members
21:02:59 <ennael> all last updated especially those from this we are now included in isos
21:03:18 <ennael> tmb uploaded it this afternoon ad I did it also just some minutes ago
21:03:29 <ennael> MrsB: want to say somethig about coming tests ?
21:03:42 <MrsB> most of the testing has been about efi recently
21:04:04 <MrsB> we need more people to test upgrades but we've so much other stuff going on it's difficult
21:04:13 <wilcal> For me mostly understanding what it is and making sure I don't break something
21:04:20 <MrsB> wilcal do you fancy starting your rolling upgrades going again?
21:04:50 <wilcal> Yes, I'll get back into running an upgrade test at least 1x per week now
21:05:01 <MrsB> great, that'll help thanks
21:05:24 <wilcal> Doing that in Vbox now and I'm pretty confident that's a pretty good test
21:05:32 <MrsB> the extended iso testing means our updates list is growing slowly too
21:06:06 <wilcal> I try to split what time I have between M5 & updates testing
21:06:19 <wilcal> that means I don't do justice to either
21:06:39 <DavidWHodgins> wilcal: Every bit helps
21:06:51 <MrsB> why don't you concentrate on upgrades/isos then
21:06:59 <wilcal> I've actually put some considerable time into the UEFI thingy
21:07:12 <Akien> Some tests of the "automatic partitioning" might be needed too
21:07:19 <wilcal> mostly trying to understand what I can do and what I can't do
21:07:37 <wilcal> and what I understand and not
21:07:40 <Akien> Either by the option to wipe out the disk and use it all, or the option to use the available free space and create partitions automatically
21:07:48 <MrsB> yes, Bullrich reported that allowing it to use the entire disk failed when formatting the swap partition
21:08:20 <wilcal> I can confirm that on real hardware with it's BIOS set to Legacy ( not Auto ) I can install the lastest CI and it installs just fine
21:08:21 <Akien> And even though I don't see why, I fear it might be linked to this change that arrived in beta3: http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/drakx/commit/?id=f699804e6f9f0e28c39f6ef258e5a0e16d6a0580
21:08:22 <[mbot> [ drakx - Mageia Installer and base platform for many utilities ]
21:08:26 <MrsB> so we still have plenty of bugs to work on but we're alot better off now than we were a week ago
21:09:11 <MrsB> If anybody wants to help with the pre-release testing, please let me know
21:09:29 <wilcal> For me the present state of M5 CI, discounting the UEFI thing, is in pretty good shape
21:09:57 * MrsB done
21:10:41 <lebarhon> Is intalling from a USB stick a priority ?
21:10:55 <wilcal> Yes, I think so
21:11:07 <lebarhon> I still can't do that
21:11:10 <wilcal> more important then from DVD/CD
21:11:22 <lebarhon> I have no DVD drive
21:11:29 <wilcal> fewer and fewer machines are being sold with optical drives
21:11:56 <lebarhon> The USB stick is okj in Legacy mode but impossible in EFI
21:12:05 <DavidWHodgins> Because I'm a heavy smoker, and have a cat, I've given up on optical drives.
21:12:16 <MrsB> you need to copy the contents of the iso onto the usb stick still I think lebarhon
21:12:18 <DavidWHodgins> I don't have efi though.
21:12:40 <lebarhon> MrsB: Yes I know that
21:13:14 <lebarhon> I tried both Classical and Live
21:13:28 <MrsB> please create a bug report, mention on pad, email qa-discuss about it
21:13:41 <lebarhon> It is already on Pad
21:13:53 <MrsB> ok, the other two then please :)
21:14:05 <leuhmanu> we have simple explanation for efi to work that I could link or add in/on web page ?
21:14:06 <lebarhon> qa-discuss also
21:14:52 <lebarhon> It seems grub2-efi doesn't replace Grub2
21:15:02 <MrsB> lewis/marja have been maintaining a wiki page leuhmanu
21:15:34 <lebarhon> The behaviour I have is different from the Wiki page
21:16:05 <MrsB> ok, you'll need to explain the behaviour in the right place then please
21:16:15 <lebarhon> It is the reason I asked if the wiki page was still valid
21:16:22 <MrsB> just looking for the link
21:16:29 <ennael> tmb: anyhting you would like to add o isos?
21:17:14 <tmb> not at this point, I'm still syncing last builds here so I can test how they work...
21:18:21 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/UEFI_how-to
21:18:59 <ennael> so there was a questio about the schedule until final release
21:19:26 <leuhmanu> (OK thanks MrsB )
21:19:51 <ennael> I'd like us to wait until isos are ready to make any announcement
21:20:07 <lebarhon> There is errors in this page
21:20:08 <MrsB> yes i think that's the way to go
21:20:16 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
21:20:43 <ennael> but at least use social network to say "hey we are not sleeping but isos are on the way"
21:20:46 <ennael> :)
21:21:03 <Akien> Will do.
21:21:21 <DavidWHodgins> I'll post to the usenet group.
21:21:40 <MrsB> i'll do mageia G+ community
21:22:05 <wilcal> So we should have a complete new set of M5 isos by Sat morning?
21:22:16 <MrsB> we have a new set today
21:22:36 <wilcal> PAD cleared?
21:23:04 <MrsB> have you checked?
21:23:12 <ennael> cleared on classical side
21:23:52 <wilcal> yup all cleared off I have an open day tomorrow to test
21:24:44 <MrsB> my time has been a bit restricted the last few days :\
21:26:35 <ennael> ok so maybe we can plan quick discussion tomorrow evening on irc (QA) to have a clear view of these isos
21:26:49 <Akien> Sounds good
21:26:59 <MrsB> may be a bit soon as they just landed this evening
21:27:49 <wilcal> By noon California time tomorrow I'll have had a good look at them
21:28:12 <MrsB> we'll see how we get on then
21:28:16 <ennael> yep
21:28:59 <DavidWHodgins> I just finished syncing the last set of iso images today. Takes a few days on my slow/unreliable internet connection.
21:29:23 <ennael> ok so anythig else to add ?
21:29:31 <wilcal> Not here
21:29:33 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing here.
21:29:36 <ennael> btw there is also work pending o release notes and errata
21:29:55 <wilcal> hold a sec
21:29:56 <ennael> ad I guess grenoya will ask also atelier to work on all announcements later
21:30:08 <grenoya> yep
21:30:14 <DavidWHodgins> I've posted an article to the usenet group, that the schedule won't be decided on yet.
21:30:38 <wilcal> MrsB can explain this one better we've got some backports piling up in need of some admin
21:30:38 <MrsB> x11-driver-video-nvidia340 is missing again
21:31:02 <MrsB> and nonfree on dual
21:31:52 <MrsB> and kde livecd is 704mb
21:32:44 <tmb> kde livecd is within CD specs for 700M isos
21:33:05 <MrsB> instant feedback \o/
21:33:11 <MrsB> and dkms-nvidia340
21:33:19 <MrsB> and cuda for nvidia340
21:33:29 <tmb> spec states: 737.280 maximum size
21:33:38 <Akien> Should really cuda be on LiveCDs?
21:33:52 <MrsB> it is for other drivers
21:33:53 <Akien> Oops my English... well you understood :p
21:34:01 <MrsB> also -devel is missing and -doc
21:34:34 <DavidWHodgins> Maybe we should consider dropping the cd iso images.
21:34:51 <tmb> cuda should not be needed, it's an "extra feature"
21:35:23 <MrsB> yeah, dkms and -devel and x11-driver- are though. dual should have nonfree also
21:35:50 <wilcal> 90%++ machines with optical drives these days have DVD drives
21:36:15 <ennael> not a question of media rather iso size
21:36:32 <DavidWHodgins> Anyone who chooses a cd image, due to the smaller download, will likely not have a good experience with Mageia.
21:38:15 <Akien> I'd also be for dropping CDs, but that's a post-mortem discussion IMO
21:38:25 <ennael> yes please :)
21:38:41 <ennael> ok any other thing ? topic ?
21:38:46 <ennael> beer ? pizza ?
21:38:53 <wilcal> the backports are in limbo
21:39:00 <MrsB> do you want to rebuild the classics ?
21:39:04 <wilcal> MrsB?
21:39:08 <ennael> ?
21:39:10 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. Already have a beer, will have pizza later. ☺
21:39:16 <ennael> :)
21:39:21 <MrsB> for the missing packages ^^
21:39:32 <ennael> sorry which oe
21:39:34 <ennael> one
21:39:40 <ennael> ah
21:39:42 <MrsB> :\
21:39:51 <ennael> grumpf ok
21:39:58 <ennael> I can do it now
21:40:08 <Akien> I agree with wilcal, it would be nice to see some movement on the backports front
21:40:34 <filip_> +1
21:40:47 <MrsB> backports need sysadmin tinkering, unless we push them without advisories etc for now
21:41:13 <DavidWHodgins> Are the push procedures setup?
21:41:30 <MrsB> what do you mean Dave?
21:41:36 <Akien> AFAIR it would be similar to the updates procedure
21:41:58 <Akien> We just need a way to push advisories and to display them separately from regular updates
21:42:13 <DavidWHodgins> If qa approves a backport, are the procedures in place to move them from backports_testing to backports?
21:42:25 <MrsB> yes and updated mga-advisories and new bugzilla keyword
21:42:51 <MrsB> process Dave yes, the actual configuration to make it happen, not yet
21:44:14 <MrsB> so waiting on alterations to bugzilla, mga-advisories, advisories.m.o and mailing list. Quite a bit of work for womebody really
21:44:24 <MrsB> somebody*
21:44:50 <MrsB> and sysadmin scripts to puch the packages too probably
21:44:53 <MrsB> push*
21:44:58 <Akien> Though most of the config for updates can be duplicated and adapted I suppose
21:47:18 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: Needs to use some matches with the sysadmin team, to get backports working.
21:47:19 <ennael> ok maybe we can focus in this after 5 is out
21:47:36 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: sysadmin team is fixing bugs for mageia 5
21:47:40 <MrsB> yes, we have enough on our plate in qa without a sudden rush of backports
21:48:14 <wilcal> After 5 is fine with me :-)
21:48:24 <ennael> it's not very ice as an answer but we have to deal with existing resources :)
21:48:27 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed
21:48:59 <ennael> ok so can we end meeting for tonight ?
21:49:07 <wilcal> I'm done
21:49:09 <DavidWHodgins> Yes, in my opinion.
21:49:22 <filip_> +1
21:49:34 <MrsB> ok here
21:50:00 <ennael> ok thanks for attending tonight
21:50:10 <ennael> and keep on the good work :)
21:50:14 <MrsB> thanks ennael
21:50:22 <ennael> #endmeetig
21:50:37 <ennael> #endmeeting