20:41:58 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:41:58 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Dec 15 20:41:58 2014 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:41:58 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:42:07 <ennael> #chair MrsB grenoya 20:42:07 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB ennael grenoya 20:42:46 <ennael> #topic Mageia 5 todo list 20:43:09 <ennael> so let see where we are :) 20:43:15 <ennael> anybody wants to start ? 20:43:52 <MrsB> fix all the bugs 20:44:01 <filip__> :D 20:44:08 <wilcal> I find the present state of M5B2 Round 2 certainly usable 20:44:28 <ennael> quick overview of the isos? 20:44:47 <MrsB> kde doesn't install, gnome l10n is broken 20:45:01 <MrsB> few other issues with gnome too 20:45:09 * ennael is working on fixing KDE packages 20:45:16 <ennael> should be done for next set of isos 20:45:27 <MrsB> installer says beta1 still 20:45:31 <ennael> yep 20:45:42 <ennael> about gnome pb is it on both live and classical isos ? 20:45:46 <wilcal> I think there is something fundementally askew with X11 or something 20:45:57 <MrsB> would be nice to have EFI stuff and artwork with the next build if possible 20:46:10 <wilcal> something revolving around 20:46:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969 20:46:13 <[mbot> [ Bug 11969 embedded rpmdrake in MCC is rendering black with some non-english locales ] 20:46:56 <MrsB> QA pad is here https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5beta2 20:46:58 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 20:47:00 <wilcal> and that manifests it self in several ways 20:47:08 <ennael> wait 20:47:14 <ennael> one at a time :) 20:47:43 <ennael> wilcal: your turn :) 20:48:01 <wilcal> Like Firefox segfaults with the KDE Live-DVD 64-bit 20:48:06 <wilcal> but not in Vbox 20:48:21 <wilcal> and only on my dell laptop 20:48:42 <wilcal> I see other strange things reported about how things look on the screen 20:49:09 <wilcal> anyway that may not prevent M2B2 from being released 20:49:25 <ennael> ok 20:49:28 <ennael> MrsB: ? 20:49:31 <MrsB> we're still in beta territory 20:49:49 <wilcal> somebody said still gt2 issues? 20:50:01 <wilcal> or something 20:50:22 <MrsB> i'd hoped we would be more stable by now but i guess rpm update set us back somewhat. We need to begin testing upgrades which isn't really possible yet. 20:51:06 <MrsB> I'd like to see DE maintainers test installing their DE's from time to time 20:51:46 <wilcal> Cauldron is not for the faint of heart! 20:51:47 <wilcal> Caution: Hot, bubbling magic inside. May explode or cook your kittens! 20:51:49 <wilcal> doktor5000 20:52:25 <doktor5000> that's my signature, yes 20:53:00 <wilcal> :-)) 20:53:08 <ennael> okok 20:53:13 <MrsB> the next release will be the release candidate and the way we're headed it's likely to be treated as beta3. We have a tight release timetable so we really need RC to be RC and not beta3 or include a beta 3 20:53:40 <ennael> I'm trying to shake olav for GNOME bugs 20:53:49 <ennael> no news from colin for now 20:53:55 <ennael> he may be on vacation 20:54:00 <MrsB> it's difficult at this time of year 20:54:04 <ennael> yep 20:54:10 <ennael> erwan is working on syslinux and hdt 20:54:22 <ennael> there is a fix for localboot 20:54:32 <ennael> still needs to be finalized in frakx 20:54:38 <ennael> drakx 20:54:42 <MrsB> we might need to rethink the release but we can decide after beta2 is out 20:55:02 <ennael> pterjean is having a look on release notes bug 20:55:08 <doktor5000> ennael: related, I'd like to have some "official" feedback on the features listed for mga5, what's the status on the accepted ones? 20:55:20 <wilcal> European Holidays 15 Dec -> Jan 10ish 20:55:39 <ennael> tmb: do you have any feedbacks for the bug you are assigned to? 20:56:45 <grenoya> wilcal: depend on countries: for France it's 20th Dec to 5th Jan 20:57:24 <wilcal> gone skiing :-)) 20:59:12 * Akien sneaks into the meeting room. 21:00:34 <MrsB> hi Akien 21:00:51 <MrsB> somebody scared tmb away :) 21:02:25 <ennael> sorry I'm lost 21:07:09 <MrsB> ennael: doktor5000 requested some feedback on the progress of accepted features 21:07:21 <Akien> Back in a minute, testing gfxboot for mga5 21:07:33 <MrsB> 10 mins ago :) 21:07:42 <ennael> ok but we were speaking about release critical bugs 21:08:11 <ennael> so if we can take things one by one that would be great as I have only one brain :) 21:08:31 <MrsB> we might need to rethink the release but we can decide after beta2 is out 21:09:07 <ennael> ok next topic 21:09:17 <MrsB> yep 21:09:19 <doktor5000> ennael: e.g. for btrfs as default, shouldn't we offer conversion from ext3/4 in installer to btrfs or so - or at least tell people what they can expect 21:09:28 <ennael> about features I will not review it 21:09:43 <ennael> malo has just vanished 21:09:45 <ennael> when we organize meeting there is no packager 21:09:55 <ennael> so for now I'm not able to do everything 21:10:11 <ennael> so for now no status on features unfortunatelly 21:10:50 <MrsB> what can we do to revitalise packagers? 21:10:58 <doktor5000> ennael: nobody expects you to do everything, except to pull out the matches more often probably ;) 21:11:25 <grenoya> long time no see the matches :) 21:11:30 <ennael> well I cannot I have also real life, job taht is heavy in the end of year 21:11:42 <MrsB> maybe time to ask for help 21:11:44 <ennael> and mageia does not make me eat :) 21:11:54 <ennael> well it's not teh good moment 21:12:13 <ennael> we will clean all this after release 21:12:33 <ennael> priority imho now is to clean release critical bugs 21:12:52 <MrsB> ok, sounds like we have some team issues to think about though later 21:13:23 <ennael> it's not really an issue it's about availibity of people 21:13:27 <ennael> as in many teams 21:13:45 <ennael> maybe think about how to organize things in a different way 21:13:50 <MrsB> yeah 21:14:32 <ennael> anyway if you guys want to to clear things that will be needed for release notes please do :) 21:14:34 <Akien> I might have missed it but I don't see a link to the release blockers on bugzilla, so here it is: http://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers 21:14:36 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ] 21:14:44 <Akien> (added to the topic on #mageia-dev) 21:15:02 <MrsB> you could ask for a malo replacement maybe ennael to spread the load a bit 21:15:20 <MrsB> somebody to help energise the team 21:15:33 <ennael> yes as I said but not now :) 21:15:46 <ennael> or maybe write some wishes to father christmas :) 21:16:00 * MrsB always does :P 21:16:25 <ennael> :) 21:16:42 <ennael> so now we need to hurry on following bugs and give some feedbacks 21:16:48 <Akien> Maybe " [TRACKER] Upgrade issues mga3 to mga4 " should not be a release blocker? 21:17:58 <ennael> it is if it implies installer 21:19:00 <Akien> I would love a fix for bug 3723, it's a long runner. 21:19:54 <Akien> It seems the simplest fix would be "stop trying to be clever and let the language define the locale" 21:20:35 <filip__> Akien: locale is needed by timezone change too 21:21:46 <Akien> I'll mail dev about it to see if we can come up with a working logic 21:21:58 <ennael> tmb: around? 21:22:36 <tmb> from time to time.... seems the mobile net is not working good today... 21:22:43 <ennael> :) 21:22:58 <ennael> any feedback on release ciritcal bugs assigned to you? 21:23:07 <ennael> (mainly about live media) 21:23:33 <tmb> tbh, I haven't had time to rewiew them yet :/ 21:25:41 <Akien> It seems three of the release blockers are duplicate: all about gnome and gdm not respecting the locale 21:26:56 <wilcal> and I think there's a lot more to it then that 21:27:39 <MrsB> seems like mainly gnome l10n and kde baloo & kwin crash and mcc black window for live isos tmb 21:30:17 <ennael> erf 21:30:24 <MrsB> some reports kde not booting once installed too 21:30:33 <MrsB> might be phonon again 21:31:38 <MrsB> hmm 2nd thoughts i think those relate to syslinux 21:32:38 <MrsB> we're not getting anywhere fast tonight ae we 21:32:40 <MrsB> are* 21:33:26 <ennael> nope 21:34:04 <MrsB> shall we move on? 21:34:18 <ennael> ok so let say we will continue on bug review in coming days 21:34:31 <ennael> (having connection troubles also 21:35:02 <MrsB> yeah, ok. It's all a bit fluid right now anyway during testing 21:35:10 <ennael> last question about mageia 5 21:35:19 <ennael> artwork ! 21:35:23 <ennael> grenoya: any status? 21:36:27 <MrsB> Akien has been leading the charge I think 21:36:51 <ennael> Akien: ? 21:36:57 <grenoya> indeed Akien is working very hard those days to have artwork ready 21:37:18 <ennael> when can we expect pieces? 21:37:25 <grenoya> it seems that backgrounds are ready but not yet packaged 21:37:26 <Akien> Yeah, I finished the _final_ version of the background from which the rest of the artwork derives: http://remi.verschelde.fr/files/artwork/mga5/final/Mageia-Night-Time_final-no-logo_1280x1024.png 21:37:36 <Akien> And with the logo: http://remi.verschelde.fr/files/artwork/mga5/final/Mageia-Night-Time_final-with-logo+shadow_1280x1024.png 21:38:08 <Akien> (I'm not 100% about the logo position, but I'll try to get this integrated asap to hopefully make it in a later beta2 round, we may refine it later if need be) 21:38:56 <Akien> I've also added the background to plymouth in mageia-theme, but now I'm struggling with the grub background 21:39:44 <Akien> Schultz has not been much available, so I'll probably also handle ksplash and the MCC as soon as I'm done with mageia-theme 21:40:25 <ennael> ok so likely not available for beta2 21:40:51 <Akien> Yep, for beta2 I expect to ask for a freeze push today for the backgrounds + plymouth 21:40:58 <Akien> That already gives a nice "mga5" feeling 21:41:06 <MrsB> well done \o/ 21:41:09 <ennael> ok so new mageia-theme 21:41:14 <Akien> Yep 21:41:17 <ennael> ok 21:41:19 <ennael> great 21:41:32 <ennael> please ask if you need more information about specs 21:41:49 <Akien> Sure, I'll ping you off meeting 21:41:52 <ennael> ok 21:42:47 <MrsB> will you also package the unsuccessful backgrounds separately Akien 21:43:06 <ennael> ok next topic ? 21:43:25 <Akien> MrsB: Yep, but that will be after beta2 21:43:34 <Akien> Sure, the show must go on :-) 21:43:46 <ennael> :) 21:44:03 <ennael> #topic Google tracking on nonenglish blogs 21:44:10 <ennael> that was asked by filip__ 21:44:40 <filip__> yeah. we removed tracking from all sites except those 21:45:03 <MrsB> i guess they were forgotten. I don't think it's there purposefully 21:45:08 <ennael> sure 21:45:16 <ennael> do we have a bug opened on this? 21:45:32 <filip__> question is: what to do now? 21:45:52 <filip__> bug seems nice but to whom assign it? 21:45:57 <ennael> sysadmins 21:45:58 <filip__> dams seems MIA 21:46:13 <ennael> and send a mail on sysadmin ML 21:46:18 <ennael> dams is out 21:46:52 <filip__> ah, ok. will do the BR and email ;) 21:47:00 <Akien> Any news about him btw? 21:47:01 <ennael> thanks 21:47:01 <filip__> thx 21:47:17 <ennael> Akien: joker :) 21:47:22 <Akien> Ok I thought so :-) 21:47:26 <ennael> ;) 21:47:35 <ennael> filip__: is that all for this topic? 21:47:41 <filip__> ennael: yes 21:47:58 <ennael> ok :) 21:48:09 <ennael> #topic gcompris sponsorship 21:48:27 <ennael> ok so after mailing about this it seems pretty everybody is ok to donate 21:48:31 <Akien> \o/ 21:48:39 <ennael> remaining question is: how much 21:49:01 <ennael> side comment: this will be effective only if the global amount is collected 21:49:12 <Akien> #info GCompris crowdfunding: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/new-unified-graphics-for-gcompris 21:49:40 <Akien> ennael: Nope 21:49:58 <Akien> They chose a "flexible" funding, so they will get whatever is collected in the end 21:50:10 <ennael> oups just saw it indeed :) 21:50:34 <Akien> But that's better IMO, then we know the funds will be put to good use, even if there's not enough 21:50:40 <ennael> yep 21:51:07 <ennael> so any proposal for this? 21:51:43 <Akien> Btw the designer who will redo the graphics is a Mageia user, and is also a packager apprentice :-) 21:51:54 <MrsB> well $50 gets a thankyou postcard and the next step is $1000 so i guess somewhere in between. $250 ? 21:52:31 <wilcal> What was our proposal for the Gnome thing? 21:52:38 <grenoya> Akien: you mean Mageia has a graphic artist amoung its contributors ? ::) 21:52:46 <ennael> ( Akien is a mole of gcompris project :p) 21:53:02 <ennael> grenoya: well done :) 21:53:12 <Akien> grenoya: Yes, I plan to drag him towards Atelier :-D 21:53:30 <Akien> The donation is a bait :-p 21:53:32 <MrsB> I think we have to bear in mind we can't yet pay anybody to work on mageia and gcompris is only one of many projects in need of funding so have to be somewhat cautious 21:53:32 <grenoya> ennael: :) 21:53:45 <ennael> MrsB: indeed 21:54:12 <MrsB> i would say $250 as a maximum, bearing that in mind 21:54:20 <grenoya> MrsB: I agree 21:54:22 <wilcal> I proposed that what we give gcompris be the same or less then what we proposed for Gnome 21:54:26 <ennael> what about 300 to have round number? :) 21:54:36 <Akien> I agree, and our donators expected to help the Mageia project and not a proxy for other open source projects 21:54:56 <Akien> This said, Mageia is a Linux distribution, and a big part of what makes Mageia is the upstream projects behind it 21:55:11 <ennael> also we can communicate on this as it's a way to get more new users using Linux 21:55:16 <ennael> especially young users 21:55:30 <ennael> then we would need a blog post in a very short time 21:55:40 <grenoya> I'll send a mail to Atelier for a blog post 21:55:43 <Akien> For gcompris it's more symbolic IMO, to show that we care about educating people to free software 21:55:52 <filip__> +1 21:56:05 <MrsB> yes, but it makes other wonder why they dont recieve the same 21:56:42 <ennael> as an explanation (my opinion) gcompris is a very small project in term of contributors and means 21:56:56 <ennael> it's also a way to focus on it and help them 21:57:18 <ennael> I guess KDE or GNOME have other ways to communicate 21:57:39 <ennael> just a proposal 21:58:05 <MrsB> we already do help in a way by spreading the software, but i take your point and agree. 21:58:06 <Akien> Hm... maybe we can make it a Christmas event? ;-) 21:58:31 <Akien> This way other projects won't blame us for not donating to them, we just chose one per year and do a small gesture 21:58:43 <MrsB> that's a good idea Akien yes 21:59:02 <Akien> Then our donators also know that a small portion of their donation might be redistributed to a project for which Mageia (their cherished distro) cares a lot. 21:59:36 <ennael> still we should do it now as remaining time for this fun raise is quite short 21:59:46 <MrsB> ok so 250 or 300? 22:00:00 <grenoya> ennael: email is about to be sent :) 22:00:08 <ennael> so amount ? 22:00:20 <Akien> $300 sounds good, it makes ~250€ :-) 22:00:45 <MrsB> so why don't we make it 250 euros to this years project 22:00:59 <ennael> ? 22:01:14 <wilcal> 250€ sounds right 22:01:37 <filip__> yeah, nice amount ;) 22:01:43 <MrsB> speaking of making it a christmas event, as akien suggested, donating an amount to a project 22:02:35 <ennael> another one? 22:02:42 <Akien> ennael: Next year yes :-) 22:02:54 <grenoya> another one what? 22:02:57 <ennael> oh do it every year? 22:03:00 * grenoya is lost 22:03:02 <Akien> MrsB means that we can settle on donating 250€ every December 22:03:08 <Akien> This year it will be for gcompris 22:03:11 <MrsB> 2014 gcompris yes, 2015..? 22:03:14 <ennael> ok got it :) 22:03:17 <ennael> good idea 22:03:23 <MrsB> we can invite suggestions from the community 22:04:08 <MrsB> dude :) 22:04:19 <ennael> yep sure 22:04:28 <DavidWHodgins> Meeting still in progress, or did I miss it? 22:04:33 <grenoya> ennael: are we all OK with 250€? 22:04:38 <ennael> grenoya: ok so take some matches and go for the blog post :) 22:04:49 <MrsB> allowing the community to suggest the project will help to encourage projects to follow/support mageia too 22:04:54 <ennael> have to check how much it is using $ 22:05:15 <ennael> 310,98 22:05:38 <MrsB> ok for me 22:05:46 * grenoya puts the matched in her pocket :) 22:06:00 <ennael> ok :) 22:06:03 <ennael> done then 22:06:07 <DavidWHodgins> That's for gcompris? How much does that leave in the Mageia account? 22:06:20 <ennael> 12 000€ - 250€ 22:06:25 <grenoya> should projects be upstream each year or not? 22:06:28 <ennael> (about) 22:06:41 <MrsB> what do you mean grenoya? 22:08:55 <grenoya> MrsB: gcompris is upstream, but for next years, should project necesarilly be upstream or can they be any FOSS project? 22:09:11 <MrsB> well, one we package i think at least 22:09:15 <grenoya> (it's to explain the idea in the blog post) 22:09:18 <ennael> yep 22:09:24 <grenoya> so upstream :) 22:09:27 <MrsB> yeah 22:09:55 <ennael> anything else ? 22:10:01 <MrsB> done :) 22:10:10 <ennael> \o/ 22:10:14 <ennael> any other topic. 22:10:15 <ennael> ? 22:10:23 <filip__> not from me 22:10:43 <wilcal> not here 22:11:16 <MrsB> start the countdown 22:11:28 <grenoya> nothing here 22:11:29 <ennael> ok then thanks for attending 22:11:43 <ennael> sorry for the connection hanging tonight 22:11:58 <MrsB> thankyou ennael 22:12:00 <ennael> and see you...well after christmas ? 22:12:02 <grenoya> thanks for leading :) 22:12:05 <filip__> ennael: we survived ;) 22:12:28 <ennael> have a good time with family and friends 22:12:32 <grenoya> have nice end of year celebration everyone :) 22:12:34 <ennael> #endmeeting