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20:42:07 <ennael> #chair MrsB grenoya
20:42:07 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB ennael grenoya
20:42:46 <ennael> #topic Mageia 5 todo list
20:43:09 <ennael> so let see where we are :)
20:43:15 <ennael> anybody wants to start ?
20:43:52 <MrsB> fix all the bugs
20:44:01 <filip__> :D
20:44:08 <wilcal> I find the present state of M5B2 Round 2 certainly usable
20:44:28 <ennael> quick overview of the isos?
20:44:47 <MrsB> kde doesn't install, gnome l10n is broken
20:45:01 <MrsB> few other issues with gnome too
20:45:09 * ennael is working on fixing KDE packages
20:45:16 <ennael> should be done for next set of isos
20:45:27 <MrsB> installer says beta1 still
20:45:31 <ennael> yep
20:45:42 <ennael> about gnome pb is it on both live and classical isos ?
20:45:46 <wilcal> I think there is something fundementally askew with X11 or something
20:45:57 <MrsB> would be nice to have EFI stuff and artwork with the next build if possible
20:46:10 <wilcal> something revolving around
20:46:11 <wilcal> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11969
20:46:13 <[mbot> [ Bug 11969 embedded rpmdrake in MCC is rendering black with some non-english locales ]
20:46:56 <MrsB> QA pad is here https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia5beta2
20:46:58 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
20:47:00 <wilcal> and that manifests it self in several ways
20:47:08 <ennael> wait
20:47:14 <ennael> one at a time :)
20:47:43 <ennael> wilcal: your turn :)
20:48:01 <wilcal> Like Firefox segfaults with the KDE Live-DVD 64-bit
20:48:06 <wilcal> but not in Vbox
20:48:21 <wilcal> and only on my dell laptop
20:48:42 <wilcal> I see other strange things reported about how things look on the screen
20:49:09 <wilcal> anyway that may not prevent M2B2 from being released
20:49:25 <ennael> ok
20:49:28 <ennael> MrsB: ?
20:49:31 <MrsB> we're still in beta territory
20:49:49 <wilcal> somebody said still gt2 issues?
20:50:01 <wilcal> or something
20:50:22 <MrsB> i'd hoped we would be more stable by now but i guess rpm update set us back somewhat. We need to begin testing upgrades which isn't really possible yet.
20:51:06 <MrsB> I'd like to see DE maintainers test installing their DE's from time to time
20:51:46 <wilcal> Cauldron is not for the faint of heart!
20:51:47 <wilcal> Caution: Hot, bubbling magic inside. May explode or cook your kittens!
20:51:49 <wilcal> doktor5000
20:52:25 <doktor5000> that's my signature, yes
20:53:00 <wilcal> :-))
20:53:08 <ennael> okok
20:53:13 <MrsB> the next release will be the release candidate and the way we're headed it's likely to be treated as beta3. We have a tight release timetable so we really need RC to be RC and not beta3 or include a beta 3
20:53:40 <ennael> I'm trying to shake olav for GNOME bugs
20:53:49 <ennael> no news from colin for now
20:53:55 <ennael> he may be on vacation
20:54:00 <MrsB> it's difficult at this time of year
20:54:04 <ennael> yep
20:54:10 <ennael> erwan is working on syslinux and hdt
20:54:22 <ennael> there is a fix for localboot
20:54:32 <ennael> still needs to be finalized in frakx
20:54:38 <ennael> drakx
20:54:42 <MrsB> we might need to rethink the release but we can decide after beta2 is out
20:55:02 <ennael> pterjean is having a look on  release notes bug
20:55:08 <doktor5000> ennael: related, I'd like to have some "official" feedback on the features listed for mga5, what's the status on the accepted ones?
20:55:20 <wilcal> European Holidays 15 Dec -> Jan 10ish
20:55:39 <ennael> tmb: do you have any feedbacks for the bug you are assigned to?
20:56:45 <grenoya> wilcal: depend on countries: for France it's 20th Dec to 5th Jan
20:57:24 <wilcal> gone skiing  :-))
20:59:12 * Akien sneaks into the meeting room.
21:00:34 <MrsB> hi Akien
21:00:51 <MrsB> somebody scared tmb away :)
21:02:25 <ennael> sorry I'm lost
21:07:09 <MrsB> ennael: doktor5000 requested  some feedback on the progress of accepted features
21:07:21 <Akien> Back in a minute, testing gfxboot for mga5
21:07:33 <MrsB> 10 mins ago :)
21:07:42 <ennael> ok but we were speaking about release critical bugs
21:08:11 <ennael> so if we can take things one by one that would be great as I have only one brain :)
21:08:31 <MrsB> we might need to rethink the release but we can decide after beta2 is out
21:09:07 <ennael> ok next topic
21:09:17 <MrsB> yep
21:09:19 <doktor5000> ennael: e.g. for btrfs as default, shouldn't we offer conversion from ext3/4 in installer to btrfs or so - or at least tell people what they can expect
21:09:28 <ennael> about features I will not review it
21:09:43 <ennael> malo has just vanished
21:09:45 <ennael> when we organize meeting there is no packager
21:09:55 <ennael> so for now I'm not able to do everything
21:10:11 <ennael> so for now no status on features unfortunatelly
21:10:50 <MrsB> what can we do to revitalise packagers?
21:10:58 <doktor5000> ennael: nobody expects you to do everything, except to pull out the matches more often probably ;)
21:11:25 <grenoya> long time no see the matches :)
21:11:30 <ennael> well I cannot I have also real life, job taht is heavy in the end of year
21:11:42 <MrsB> maybe time to ask for help
21:11:44 <ennael> and mageia does not make me eat :)
21:11:54 <ennael> well it's not teh good moment
21:12:13 <ennael> we will clean all this after release
21:12:33 <ennael> priority imho now is to clean release critical bugs
21:12:52 <MrsB> ok, sounds like we have some team issues to think about though later
21:13:23 <ennael> it's not really an issue it's about availibity of people
21:13:27 <ennael> as in many teams
21:13:45 <ennael> maybe think about how to organize things in a different way
21:13:50 <MrsB> yeah
21:14:32 <ennael> anyway if you guys want to to clear things that will be needed for release notes please do :)
21:14:34 <Akien> I might have missed it but I don't see a link to the release blockers on bugzilla, so here it is: http://lstu.fr/Mga5ReleaseBlockers
21:14:36 <[mbot> [ Log in to Mageia Bugzilla ]
21:14:44 <Akien> (added to the topic on #mageia-dev)
21:15:02 <MrsB> you could ask for a malo replacement maybe ennael to spread the load a bit
21:15:20 <MrsB> somebody to help energise the team
21:15:33 <ennael> yes as I said but not now :)
21:15:46 <ennael> or maybe write some wishes to father christmas :)
21:16:00 * MrsB always does :P
21:16:25 <ennael> :)
21:16:42 <ennael> so now we need to hurry on following bugs and give some feedbacks
21:16:48 <Akien> Maybe " [TRACKER] Upgrade issues mga3 to mga4 " should not be a release blocker?
21:17:58 <ennael> it is if it implies installer
21:19:00 <Akien> I would love a fix for bug 3723, it's a long runner.
21:19:54 <Akien> It seems the simplest fix would be "stop trying to be clever and let the language define the locale"
21:20:35 <filip__> Akien: locale is needed by timezone change too
21:21:46 <Akien> I'll mail dev about it to see if we can come up with a working logic
21:21:58 <ennael> tmb: around?
21:22:36 <tmb> from time to time.... seems the mobile net is not working good today...
21:22:43 <ennael> :)
21:22:58 <ennael> any feedback on release ciritcal bugs assigned to you?
21:23:07 <ennael> (mainly about live media)
21:23:33 <tmb> tbh, I haven't had time to rewiew them yet :/
21:25:41 <Akien> It seems three of the release blockers are duplicate: all about gnome and gdm not respecting the locale
21:26:56 <wilcal> and I think there's a lot more to it then that
21:27:39 <MrsB> seems like mainly gnome l10n and kde baloo & kwin crash and mcc black window for live isos tmb
21:30:17 <ennael> erf
21:30:24 <MrsB> some reports kde not booting once installed too
21:30:33 <MrsB> might be phonon again
21:31:38 <MrsB> hmm 2nd thoughts i think those relate to syslinux
21:32:38 <MrsB> we're not getting anywhere fast tonight ae we
21:32:40 <MrsB> are*
21:33:26 <ennael> nope
21:34:04 <MrsB> shall we move on?
21:34:18 <ennael> ok so let say we will continue on bug review in coming days
21:34:31 <ennael> (having connection troubles also
21:35:02 <MrsB> yeah, ok. It's all a bit fluid right now anyway during testing
21:35:10 <ennael> last question about mageia 5
21:35:19 <ennael> artwork !
21:35:23 <ennael> grenoya: any status?
21:36:27 <MrsB> Akien has been leading the charge I think
21:36:51 <ennael> Akien: ?
21:36:57 <grenoya> indeed Akien is working very hard those days to have artwork ready
21:37:18 <ennael> when can we expect pieces?
21:37:25 <grenoya> it seems that backgrounds are ready but not yet packaged
21:37:26 <Akien> Yeah, I finished the _final_ version of the background from which the rest of the artwork derives: http://remi.verschelde.fr/files/artwork/mga5/final/Mageia-Night-Time_final-no-logo_1280x1024.png
21:37:36 <Akien> And with the logo: http://remi.verschelde.fr/files/artwork/mga5/final/Mageia-Night-Time_final-with-logo+shadow_1280x1024.png
21:38:08 <Akien> (I'm not 100% about the logo position, but I'll try to get this integrated asap to hopefully make it in a later beta2 round, we may refine it later if need be)
21:38:56 <Akien> I've also added the background to plymouth in mageia-theme, but now I'm struggling with the grub background
21:39:44 <Akien> Schultz has not been much available, so I'll probably also handle ksplash and the MCC as soon as I'm done with mageia-theme
21:40:25 <ennael> ok so likely not available for beta2
21:40:51 <Akien> Yep, for beta2 I expect to ask for a freeze push today for the backgrounds + plymouth
21:40:58 <Akien> That already gives a nice "mga5" feeling
21:41:06 <MrsB> well done \o/
21:41:09 <ennael> ok so new mageia-theme
21:41:14 <Akien> Yep
21:41:17 <ennael> ok
21:41:19 <ennael> great
21:41:32 <ennael> please ask if you need more information about specs
21:41:49 <Akien> Sure, I'll ping you off meeting
21:41:52 <ennael> ok
21:42:47 <MrsB> will you also package the unsuccessful backgrounds separately Akien
21:43:06 <ennael> ok next topic ?
21:43:25 <Akien> MrsB: Yep, but that will be after beta2
21:43:34 <Akien> Sure, the show must go on :-)
21:43:46 <ennael> :)
21:44:03 <ennael> #topic Google tracking on nonenglish blogs
21:44:10 <ennael> that was asked by filip__
21:44:40 <filip__> yeah. we removed tracking from all sites except those
21:45:03 <MrsB> i guess they were forgotten. I don't think it's there purposefully
21:45:08 <ennael> sure
21:45:16 <ennael> do we have a bug opened on this?
21:45:32 <filip__> question is: what to do now?
21:45:52 <filip__> bug seems nice but to whom assign it?
21:45:57 <ennael> sysadmins
21:45:58 <filip__> dams seems MIA
21:46:13 <ennael> and send a mail on sysadmin ML
21:46:18 <ennael> dams is out
21:46:52 <filip__> ah, ok. will do the BR and email ;)
21:47:00 <Akien> Any news about him btw?
21:47:01 <ennael> thanks
21:47:01 <filip__> thx
21:47:17 <ennael> Akien: joker :)
21:47:22 <Akien> Ok I thought so :-)
21:47:26 <ennael> ;)
21:47:35 <ennael> filip__: is that all for this topic?
21:47:41 <filip__> ennael: yes
21:47:58 <ennael> ok :)
21:48:09 <ennael> #topic gcompris sponsorship
21:48:27 <ennael> ok so after mailing about this it seems pretty everybody is ok to donate
21:48:31 <Akien> \o/
21:48:39 <ennael> remaining question is: how much
21:49:01 <ennael> side comment: this will be effective only if the global amount is collected
21:49:12 <Akien> #info GCompris crowdfunding: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/new-unified-graphics-for-gcompris
21:49:40 <Akien> ennael: Nope
21:49:58 <Akien> They chose a "flexible" funding, so they will get whatever is collected in the end
21:50:10 <ennael> oups just saw it indeed :)
21:50:34 <Akien> But that's better IMO, then we know the funds will be put to good use, even if there's not enough
21:50:40 <ennael> yep
21:51:07 <ennael> so any proposal for this?
21:51:43 <Akien> Btw the designer who will redo the graphics is a Mageia user, and is also a packager apprentice :-)
21:51:54 <MrsB> well $50 gets a thankyou postcard and the next step is $1000 so i guess somewhere in between. $250 ?
21:52:31 <wilcal> What was our proposal for the Gnome thing?
21:52:38 <grenoya> Akien: you mean Mageia has a graphic artist amoung its contributors ? ::)
21:52:46 <ennael> ( Akien is a mole of gcompris project :p)
21:53:02 <ennael> grenoya: well done :)
21:53:12 <Akien> grenoya: Yes, I plan to drag him towards Atelier :-D
21:53:30 <Akien> The donation is a bait :-p
21:53:32 <MrsB> I think we have to bear in mind we can't yet pay anybody to work on mageia and gcompris is only one of many projects in need of funding so have to be somewhat cautious
21:53:32 <grenoya> ennael: :)
21:53:45 <ennael> MrsB: indeed
21:54:12 <MrsB> i would say $250 as a maximum, bearing that in mind
21:54:20 <grenoya> MrsB: I agree
21:54:22 <wilcal> I proposed that what we give gcompris be the same or less then what we proposed for Gnome
21:54:26 <ennael> what about 300 to have round number? :)
21:54:36 <Akien> I agree, and our donators expected to help the Mageia project and not a proxy for other open source projects
21:54:56 <Akien> This said, Mageia is a Linux distribution, and a big part of what makes Mageia is the upstream projects behind it
21:55:11 <ennael> also we can communicate on this as it's a way to get more new users using Linux
21:55:16 <ennael> especially young users
21:55:30 <ennael> then we would need a blog post in a very short time
21:55:40 <grenoya> I'll send a mail to Atelier for a blog post
21:55:43 <Akien> For gcompris it's more symbolic IMO, to show that we care about educating people to free software
21:55:52 <filip__> +1
21:56:05 <MrsB> yes, but it makes other wonder why they dont recieve the same
21:56:42 <ennael> as an explanation (my opinion) gcompris is a very small project in term of contributors and means
21:56:56 <ennael> it's also a way to focus on it and help them
21:57:18 <ennael> I guess KDE or GNOME have other ways to communicate
21:57:39 <ennael> just a proposal
21:58:05 <MrsB> we already do help in a way by spreading the software, but i take your point and agree.
21:58:06 <Akien> Hm... maybe we can make it a Christmas event? ;-)
21:58:31 <Akien> This way other projects won't blame us for not donating to them, we just chose one per year and do a small gesture
21:58:43 <MrsB> that's a good idea Akien yes
21:59:02 <Akien> Then our donators also know that a small portion of their donation might be redistributed to a project for which Mageia (their cherished distro) cares a lot.
21:59:36 <ennael> still we should do it now as remaining time for this fun raise is quite short
21:59:46 <MrsB> ok so 250 or 300?
22:00:00 <grenoya> ennael: email is about to be sent :)
22:00:08 <ennael> so amount ?
22:00:20 <Akien> $300 sounds good, it makes ~250€ :-)
22:00:45 <MrsB> so why don't we make it 250 euros to this years project
22:00:59 <ennael> ?
22:01:14 <wilcal> 250€ sounds right
22:01:37 <filip__> yeah, nice amount ;)
22:01:43 <MrsB> speaking of making it a christmas event, as akien suggested, donating an amount to a project
22:02:35 <ennael> another one?
22:02:42 <Akien> ennael: Next year yes :-)
22:02:54 <grenoya> another one what?
22:02:57 <ennael> oh do it every year?
22:03:00 * grenoya is lost
22:03:02 <Akien> MrsB means that we can settle on donating 250€ every December
22:03:08 <Akien> This year it will be for gcompris
22:03:11 <MrsB> 2014 gcompris yes, 2015..?
22:03:14 <ennael> ok got it :)
22:03:17 <ennael> good idea
22:03:23 <MrsB> we can invite suggestions from the community
22:04:08 <MrsB> dude :)
22:04:19 <ennael> yep sure
22:04:28 <DavidWHodgins> Meeting still in progress, or did I miss it?
22:04:33 <grenoya> ennael: are we all OK with 250€?
22:04:38 <ennael> grenoya: ok so take some matches and go for the blog post :)
22:04:49 <MrsB> allowing the community to suggest the project will help to encourage projects to follow/support mageia too
22:04:54 <ennael> have to check how much it is using $
22:05:15 <ennael> 310,98
22:05:38 <MrsB> ok for me
22:05:46 * grenoya puts the matched in her pocket :)
22:06:00 <ennael> ok :)
22:06:03 <ennael> done then
22:06:07 <DavidWHodgins> That's for gcompris? How much does that leave in the Mageia account?
22:06:20 <ennael> 12 000€ - 250€
22:06:25 <grenoya> should projects be upstream each year or not?
22:06:28 <ennael> (about)
22:06:41 <MrsB> what do you mean grenoya?
22:08:55 <grenoya> MrsB: gcompris is upstream, but for next years, should project necesarilly be upstream or can they be any FOSS project?
22:09:11 <MrsB> well, one we package i think at least
22:09:15 <grenoya> (it's to explain the idea in the blog post)
22:09:18 <ennael> yep
22:09:24 <grenoya> so upstream :)
22:09:27 <MrsB> yeah
22:09:55 <ennael> anything else ?
22:10:01 <MrsB> done :)
22:10:10 <ennael> \o/
22:10:14 <ennael> any other topic.
22:10:15 <ennael> ?
22:10:23 <filip__> not from me
22:10:43 <wilcal> not here
22:11:16 <MrsB> start the countdown
22:11:28 <grenoya> nothing here
22:11:29 <ennael> ok then thanks for attending
22:11:43 <ennael> sorry for the connection hanging tonight
22:11:58 <MrsB> thankyou ennael
22:12:00 <ennael> and see you...well after christmas ?
22:12:02 <grenoya> thanks for leading :)
22:12:05 <filip__> ennael: we survived ;)
22:12:28 <ennael> have a good time with family and friends
22:12:32 <grenoya> have nice end of year celebration everyone :)
22:12:34 <ennael> #endmeeting