20:34:43 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:34:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Nov 10 20:34:43 2014 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:34:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:34:51 <ennael> who is around ? 20:34:57 <grenoya> o/ 20:35:08 * MrsB is 20:35:14 * filip 2 20:35:21 <MrsB> wilcal was 20:35:25 <tmb> hi 20:35:40 <ennael> #chair MrsB grenoya 20:35:40 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB ennael grenoya 20:35:49 <MrsB> uhohh 20:35:57 <ennael> let start :) 20:36:08 <ennael> #topic quick financial review 20:36:48 <ennael> ok so a quick sum up about this 20:37:08 <ennael> we have about 12 000€ on bank account and 1 000€ on paypal 20:37:29 <MrsB> that's pretty good 20:37:48 <ennael> hard disks hhave been bought for servers and should be delivered this week or beginning of next week 20:37:50 <grenoya> nice 20:38:03 <MrsB> time for some goodies grenoya 20:38:10 <ennael> finalizing bank change was a bit messy but it's all done now 20:38:24 <grenoya> good too :) 20:38:30 <ennael> also google sponsorship should be finalized soon also 20:38:39 <filip> and time for nice working servers w/o botlenecks ;) 20:38:42 <ennael> setup was a pain but it's now finished 20:38:51 <MrsB> that sounds really promising. I saw your email on board ML 20:39:07 <ennael> we should get about 800$ before end of this year 20:39:13 <ennael> which is nice :) 20:39:25 <MrsB> thank you google 20:39:44 <ennael> so now we need to define other expenses 20:39:51 <ennael> still nothing from atelier 20:39:56 <filip> and thx to ennael and pterjan 20:40:08 <MrsB> yeah thanks for getting it sorted out 20:40:32 <grenoya> ennael: nope, sorry, Akien and I haven't move on enough on that point 20:40:58 <ennael> please do. FOSDEM is in 2,5 months 20:41:04 <leuhmanu> ola 20:41:05 <ennael> and time goes very fast 20:41:07 <grenoya> indeed! 20:41:11 <Akien> Yes I have some work in progress but it takes time, and it's relatively boring :-) 20:41:19 <Akien> But we need it for FOSDEM indeed 20:42:23 <MrsB> Did you get in touch with Pierre from the forum ennael? 20:42:55 <ennael> MrsB: it's in progress we just need to find time to speak more about it 20:43:10 <MrsB> great \o/ 20:43:38 <ennael> Akien, grenoya : can we have something ready in 2 coming weeks? 20:45:13 <grenoya> deadline noted 20:45:14 <Akien> I can't promise anything, but we will try to do some progress for the next meeting 20:45:33 <Akien> I'll reach out to other distros / associations to know how they do this, where they buy t-shirts, etc. 20:46:07 <ennael> ok 20:47:34 <ennael> tmb: about servers, do we need anything else ? 20:49:58 <tmb> well, depending on if old valstar still works it will replace broken jonund, otherwise a new buildnode will be needed at some point... 20:51:10 <tmb> and i wonder if we should get a new hosting (or server) for web/blog/... the gandi hosting does not support Mageia...so it's a PITA tu upgrade 20:51:14 <ennael> something to be checked in Marseille then ? 20:51:49 <tmb> jep 20:51:51 <ennael> ok 20:52:03 <ennael> that's all for this topic unless you have question, comment 20:52:19 <MrsB> nothing here, thanks 20:53:01 <ennael> ok next topic then :) 20:53:04 <ennael> #topic beta 1 release and Mageia 5 planning 20:53:11 <ennael> release hell :) 20:53:16 <MrsB> seems that way 20:53:16 <grenoya> :) 20:53:32 <ennael> ok what is the status today on current isos build ? 20:53:39 <Akien> Ready to go. 20:53:49 <MrsB> wilcal said the same 20:53:56 <Akien> The main bug is gnome... But apart from that, it's already fine for a beta :-) 20:54:02 <ennael> great news 20:54:04 <wilcal> IMO the present state of the ISO's are ready to go to the field 20:54:15 <MrsB> dude :) 20:54:17 <wilcal> not perfect, as usual, but time to get'em out there 20:54:25 <ennael> tmb: can you push the isos and torrents? 20:54:27 <DavidWHodgins> Hi everyone. Sorry I'm late. 20:54:39 <tmb> yeah, we seem to get issues with Gnome on every release, but I'm happy they show up at beta1 stage this time... 20:54:45 <wilcal> Hello David, just in time 20:54:45 <ennael> :) 20:55:02 <grenoya> blog post needs technical inputs here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/mga5b1 20:55:04 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 20:55:05 <wilcal> What you say on the M5 isos David 20:55:07 <MrsB> we can expect bugs, as long as they boot and installa then they're ready for wider testing 20:55:19 <Akien> Yep, some tech stuff would be nice for the blog post draft 20:55:29 <ennael> I will have a look after the meeting 20:55:32 <tmb> ennael, yep, will start signing the isos and fire up the torrents... 20:55:33 <DavidWHodgins> Go ahead and release, so they get wider testing. 20:55:49 <ennael> ok that's done for beta1 20:55:50 <Akien> I know some of it, so I may write a few lines, but feel free to drop juicy details :-) 20:55:56 <wilcal> \0/ time to go 20:56:04 <ennael> now we need to decide the planning until final release 20:56:35 <DavidWHodgins> Either we drop beta 2 and go straight to rc, or we delay everything. 20:56:48 <ennael> droping beta2 is not a good thing 20:56:57 <ennael> given the status of current isos imho 20:56:58 <MrsB> well, I would say rescheduling everything from current date 20:57:03 <wilcal> I think that will depend on how M5B1 does out there 20:57:34 <grenoya> I'm pro rescheduling 20:57:46 <tmb> yeah, we will definately need beta2 20:57:47 <filip> +1 20:57:49 <DavidWHodgins> Beta 1 is roughly 6 weeks late from it's original date. 20:57:59 <wilcal> Ya Holidays are upon us and best we not press people 20:58:16 <MrsB> as long as we explain the reasons behind the set backs I don't see any reason to worry. After xmas period is better for contributions too 20:58:30 <ennael> I would say beta2 in 1 month and RC in the very beginning of january 20:58:34 * tmb thinks about another fosdem release :) 20:58:38 <ennael> then final end of january :) 20:58:39 * tmb hides 20:58:40 * MrsB slaps tmb 20:58:46 <Akien> I've kept people posted about the beta1 delay on social networks, and saw noone complaining about it :-) 20:58:47 <grenoya> :)) 20:58:49 <ennael> tmb: you win :) 20:58:52 * tmb too slow to hide 20:59:11 <MrsB> that's good Akien, well done for doing that 20:59:19 <Akien> ennael: Fine by me. 20:59:20 <DavidWHodgins> I agree, it would be better to postpone the rest of the schedule. 20:59:31 <ennael> wdyt about proposal? 20:59:33 <wilcal> This Fosdem release will be better then M4 was 20:59:48 * filip hopes so 2 20:59:59 <grenoya> ennael: I agree 21:00:12 <MrsB> we can *aim* for fosdem 21:00:18 <ennael> let say 16/12 for beta 2 21:00:22 <DavidWHodgins> Should we extend Mageia 3 and 4 support too? 21:00:36 <ennael> 06/01 for RC 21:00:38 <MrsB> preferably not mga3 21:00:48 <ennael> and 27/01 for final 21:00:55 <wilcal> Let M3 go 21:01:10 <filip> I also think that it's to late for mga3 21:01:24 <MrsB> that's going to be rapid fire ISO testing ennael 21:01:33 <Akien> When is fosdem? 21:01:42 <MrsB> start of february 21:01:47 <wilcal> 1st weekend in Feb 21:01:50 <Akien> Ouch 21:01:50 <grenoya> Akien: 31/01 01/02 21:01:59 <Akien> Then I don't like 27/01 for final 21:02:08 <Akien> We should aim for a week before IMO 21:02:16 <ennael> too short for planning 21:02:25 <filip> tmb will be right after all ;) 21:02:30 <ennael> and because we have christmas in between 21:02:35 <MrsB> phone brb 21:02:51 <Akien> Then we should postpone FOSDEM by one week :-) 21:02:58 <filip> ;) 21:03:08 <DavidWHodgins> lol 21:03:10 <ennael> Akien: we let you make the proposal :) 21:03:55 <tmb> well "internal release" could be targeted at Jan 23rd, so there is some "extra time" 21:04:11 <ennael> this let 10 days until FOSDEM 21:04:32 <Akien> Sounds good. 21:04:33 <ennael> one week rather 21:04:49 <ennael> and if it does not work tmb will kill you all 21:05:46 * tmb checks 00 status 21:06:48 * tmb finds double O status valid :) 21:06:48 <ennael> :) 21:07:03 <ennael> so 21:07:04 <MrsB> sorry 21:07:07 <ennael> 16/12 for beta 2 21:07:12 <ennael> 06/01 for RC 21:07:19 <ennael> "internal release" could be targeted at Jan 23rd 21:07:25 <ennael> and final release for fosdem 21:07:33 <wilcal> sounds like a comfortable plan 21:07:42 <ennael> can we vote? 21:08:11 <MrsB> we'll need serious bug fixing early on if we hope to do this 21:08:30 <MrsB> the RC will need to be a proper RC and not beta 3 21:08:31 <Akien> Yes, we need a RC-like beta2 21:08:45 <ennael> MrsB: a RC :) 21:08:51 <MrsB> yeah 21:08:56 <Akien> Not a Mageia 4 RC, that is :-) 21:09:24 <grenoya> ennael: +1 21:09:32 <MrsB> We need to set a target to aim for nd it is doable but it'll need weekly dev meetings :P 21:09:56 <tmb> so we also need dates for artwork/translation/release freeze 21:10:08 <ennael> yep that's next topic :) 21:10:30 <ennael> but if we have final deisgn now it should be done for beta2 release 21:10:42 <ennael> Akien, grenoya : do you think it's possible ? 21:11:01 <MrsB> as we're a month behind where we expected is it worth relaxing version freeze for a few days? 21:11:43 <grenoya> I've not followed artwork developpment on previous release, so I can't be sure 21:11:48 <grenoya> Akien: wdyt? 21:12:16 <Akien> We just got the original artwork on the atelier ML, and the artist is also subscribed and willing to help 21:12:18 <tmb> MrsB, well, we've been allowing pretty much every freeze push for now, so it is "semi-open" 21:12:47 <MrsB> might be worth stating explicitly though 21:13:22 <ennael> we need a date for release freeze 21:13:40 <tmb> well, version freeze is supposed to take effect when we hit beta1, wich is today :) 21:13:51 <Akien> Artwork should be done for beta2 21:14:00 <Akien> tmb: you mean release freeze I guess 21:14:19 <Akien> Ah no, nevermind :-) 21:14:27 <ennael> so release freeze for beta2, in december ? 21:14:49 <MrsB> yes, original planning was release freeze just before beta 2 21:15:13 <MrsB> artwork and translations between beta 1 and beta 2 21:15:34 <tmb> Maybe Dec 9th, so it is in effect when we start building isos 21:15:48 <MrsB> makes sense 21:15:51 <Akien> Sounds good. 21:15:54 <filip> that sounds reasonable for l10n 2 21:15:58 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed 21:16:03 <grenoya> agree 21:16:29 <DavidWHodgins> Should we extend support for Mageia 4 too? 21:16:52 <grenoya> #agreed 16/12 for beta 2 | 06/01 for RC | "internal release" at Jan 23rd | and final release for fosdem 21:17:02 <Akien> We need a "Mageia tools rebuild" for i18n 21:17:08 <MrsB> not at this stage Dave, it's not really related to mga5 release. More something to worry about for mga6 21:17:10 <grenoya> # agreed release freeze on 9th of December 21:18:02 <grenoya> filip: you mean 9th of December for i18n/l10n? 21:18:20 <filip> yeah. 21:18:41 <Akien> I'd say a couple of days before for translation freeze, and then all Mageia tools should be rebuilt to include the latest translations 21:18:59 <Akien> Translators are usually pretty efficient the last 3 days before the freeze :-) 21:19:22 <ennael> ok is it all ok for the planning ? 21:19:22 <filip> grenoya: # agreed w/o space 21:19:28 <grenoya> #agreed artwoek/i18n/l10n freeze 6th of December 21:19:35 <grenoya> #agreed release freeze on 9th of December 21:19:40 <grenoya> filip: thanks :) 21:19:45 <grenoya> ennael: sounds like :) 21:19:54 <Akien> Sounds good. 21:20:02 <ennael> ok :) 21:20:07 <tmb> yeah, we can schedule tranlation update/rebuild for all drakx* after release freeze, before iso build so we get them on isos 21:20:24 <filip> tmb: that would be great 21:20:58 <tmb> it does not take long to roll new tarballs for the tools 21:21:24 <ennael> #topic teams review 21:21:49 <ennael> so let see what is happening in teams at this moment :) 21:21:54 <ennael> MrsB: want to start? 21:22:00 <MrsB> sure, if you like 21:22:43 <MrsB> QA team has new members. It's been mostly ISO testing for a long time so now we need to move them onto testing updates 21:23:14 <MrsB> I'm mostly unavailable for a few weeks which is awkward timing with so much going on 21:23:25 <wilcal> The release today of M5B1 will release QA resources to concentrate on the pile of updates 21:23:43 <MrsB> others have been stepping up though and Akien helping out too 21:23:53 <wilcal> It's a GREAT team 21:24:02 <MrsB> We're looking forward to mga3 EOL now 21:24:28 <MrsB> There are some kernelly things to finx before we can kill it IINm tmb? 21:24:31 <MrsB> fix* 21:24:47 <tmb> MrsB, like ? 21:24:56 <MrsB> the provides in mga4? 21:25:08 <tmb> MrsB, that's fixed :) 21:25:13 <MrsB> ok great :) 21:25:34 <MrsB> so we're looking forward to it's EOL then, officially 21:25:46 <MrsB> it'll half our workload overnight 21:26:08 <MrsB> The updates list has grown recently but is still more or less under control 21:26:30 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates 21:26:33 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 21:26:54 <MrsB> If we can convert a good lump of ISO testers into updates testers we'll do well 21:27:24 <MrsB> we need to be fully on top of it though before beta 2 21:28:12 <MrsB> congratulations and thanks to everybody involved with beta 1 21:28:32 <ennael> thanks indeed 21:28:49 <MrsB> anything else wilcal/dave? 21:29:06 <wilcal> We've got a great team right now 21:29:23 <MrsB> just got to keep everybody busy 21:29:35 <wilcal> that won't be hard :-) 21:29:39 <MrsB> :) 21:29:41 <Akien> The beehive is taking shape :-) 21:29:53 <Akien> Even when the Queen is missing :-p 21:30:02 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here. 21:30:21 <MrsB> it's been good to see progress continuing while I'm unavailable, you've been a big part of that Akien 21:30:39 <ennael> ok 21:30:59 <MrsB> all done then, thanks :) 21:31:03 <ennael> #info atelier review 21:31:09 <ennael> grenoya, Akien ? 21:31:23 <grenoya> Artwork is on ot's way 21:31:38 <grenoya> Goodies are a bit late as you already know 21:32:03 <Akien> The team is slow as always, but we'll try to get important things done in time (artwork and FOSDEM material with highest priority). 21:32:20 <grenoya> Web is moving a bit (preparing mga3 EOL and discussing design) 21:32:44 <grenoya> and you are still able to produce blog posts :) 21:32:58 <filip> about web: we had a mockup suggestion for it but no news since then. I'll ping the guy. 21:33:27 <grenoya> the team is indeed a bit slow, but I bet everyone is overbooked by day job or studies :/ 21:34:21 <grenoya> Akien: more to say? 21:34:29 <grenoya> filip: same question? 21:34:55 <filip> we have a TODO but as you already said we're slow ;) 21:35:08 <Akien> Not from me :-) 21:35:25 <filip> my focus is i18n part of a web 21:35:32 <MrsB> need more prodding :) 21:36:33 <ennael> thanks :) 21:36:35 <grenoya> MrsB: yeah! but I need that too /o\ 21:36:44 <MrsB> :D 21:36:46 <ennael> #info i18n team 21:36:52 <ennael> next ! 21:37:16 <filip> we continue as usual 21:37:30 <filip> but I see a lot of new translators in TX 21:37:56 <filip> they tend to forget to notify us to push their work to git 21:38:46 <MrsB> is there any way to email them all? 21:38:47 <filip> so I decided to try to build a semiautomatic tool which will show tx/git differences in statistical meaning 21:39:45 <Akien> We should try again to reach out to them (there is an internal messaging system, but it's not linked to their email account if they don't have notifications enabled I guess) 21:39:49 <filip> MrsB: not that I know of. we tried to notify individualy 21:40:24 <filip> there are literary new languages out there 21:40:37 <filip> so we need to do something 21:40:39 <MrsB> does your tool work ok for you? 21:41:26 <filip> I started to build it yesterday. for now it only curl the tx stat. I need to parse it and compare it to our git 21:41:40 <filip> there is still some work to do 21:41:52 <filip> and I not a developer ;) 21:42:32 <filip> we need to notify ML for l10n freeze 21:42:42 <MrsB> can ask for help on dev ML if you get stuck with it, nice work though 21:42:58 <filip> MrsB: yeah. will do 21:43:44 <ennael> antyhing else ? 21:44:08 <filip> we didn't have a meeting for some time and we need to push l10n/doc team merge forward 21:44:48 <filip> one more important thing 21:45:48 <filip> I would like to better support our l10n/i18n tool better so I'll resign as a team coleader soon 21:46:07 <filip> I'll notify us on ML too 21:46:44 <filip> I just don't have the conditions to continue much longer 21:46:55 <filip> Akien: anything to add? 21:46:58 <MrsB> sorry to hear that filip 21:47:16 <filip> MrsB: I'll contribute more ;) 21:47:27 <MrsB> but you're a good leader 21:47:54 <filip> thx. but money and health situation is really devastating :( 21:48:11 <grenoya> :/ 21:48:32 <MrsB> take care of yourself 21:48:43 <filip> MrsB: that's the point ;) 21:48:48 <MrsB> ok :) 21:49:04 <DavidWHodgins> filip: Best of luck! 21:49:09 <filip> thx DavidWHodgins 21:49:23 <Akien> filip: Take care of yourself! 21:49:39 <Akien> Nothing to add about i18n/l10n for today 21:49:49 <ennael> tmb: want to speak for sysadmins? 21:49:57 <filip> thx Akien. can you please conclude merge thread also ;) 21:50:44 <Akien> filip: Yes, it's on my todo list to (growing exponentially tonight :-p ) 21:50:54 <Akien> *too 21:51:26 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Shouldn't all of the servers be upgraded to Mageia 4, so they can keep getting security updates? 21:51:53 <tmb> well, for sysadmins next thing up is to get new valstar up and running so we can start moving forward... 21:52:11 <grenoya> #topic sysadmin review 21:52:14 <ennael> so disks missing is the condition ? 21:52:49 <tmb> yep, and upgrading rest of infra at the DC at the same time when sysadmins are on-site 21:52:59 <ennael> ok 21:53:15 <ennael> can we plan a meeting or a detailed mail to prepare this before maat goes there? 21:54:39 <tmb> yep, that we need to do... and get some timeline when maat can go there... we can do as much as possible remotely, but it's best to do it when we also heve somepne on-site when it breaks :) 21:55:32 <DavidWHodgins> Such an optimist! ☺ 21:56:11 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, yep, but some issues such as usr move it in between, and checking BS parts to cope with the changes... 21:57:24 <tmb> and valstar is the most critical one... as long as we get that working, the buildnodes can simply be re-installed, no upgrade needed 21:58:03 <ennael> ok 21:58:06 <tmb> but it's on-site hands-on that is needed to get for example sucuk back. 21:58:22 <ennael> so let set a list of things to be done with maat 21:58:41 <filip> one more question for sysadmins and others: who can give credential for blog translation? 21:58:59 <tmb> and alamut is the second "critical" host (and then we'll split out forum vm from its alamut shield 21:59:45 <MrsB> dams registered on the blog filip, not sure if he's back again 22:00:04 <filip> haven't seen him around for months 22:00:13 <tmb> ennael, can you get hold of dams to get the rest of the info from him 22:00:25 <ennael> tmb: what info do we need? 22:00:34 <filip> and we have a volunter for l10n 22:00:41 <tmb> ennael, admin login info for all blogs 22:01:21 <ennael> I have admin account on en and fr 22:01:36 <filip> we need pl? 22:03:39 <tmb> ennael, well, look at all languages listed on http://blog.mageia.org/en/, we need them all documented 22:03:46 <ennael> yep ok 22:04:28 <tmb> just to ensure we dont get a "hit by bus..." 22:05:11 <ennael> yep sure 22:05:16 <tmb> technically one could hack every one of them, but I rather not :) 22:05:29 <ennael> :) 22:06:44 <ennael> #info packagers review 22:07:14 <ennael> so meeting are a bit rare at the moment as malo is very busy and so do I with isos, and real life 22:07:22 <ennael> still bug fixing is on the way 22:07:32 <ennael> we may now focus on release critical bugs list 22:08:22 <ennael> so please QA team be carefull with bugs qualification 22:08:33 <ennael> it's now or never to highlight them 22:08:37 <MrsB> noted 22:08:55 <MrsB> also triage leuhmanu ^^ 22:09:07 <ennael> also I'd like us to review general status for all the desktops we have in mageia 22:10:00 <ennael> a big work was done recently on LXDE so it seems cleaner now but some may be still buggy 22:10:22 <ennael> and there is no interest to point desktop in installer that just doesn't work properly 22:10:42 <MrsB> good to see lxde getting some love 22:11:11 <leuhmanu> MrsB: ? 22:11:12 <filip> is that lxqt actually? 22:11:53 <MrsB> leuhmanu: just to ensure any release blockers are set release blocker so they are picked up by packagers when they go through them 22:12:53 <ennael> filip: we need things to be clear on that point 22:13:00 <leuhmanu> I have still lot of bugs to review, but as always not all will be corrected 22:13:13 <MrsB> thanks leuhmanu 22:13:38 <leuhmanu> (even these which are blocker since mga2) 22:13:45 <MrsB> Dave will try to help with this 22:15:11 <ennael> ok anything else to add ? 22:15:30 <MrsB> nothing here, thanks 22:15:54 <grenoya> no 22:17:00 <MrsB> i think we're all done :) 22:17:35 <ennael> yep 22:17:39 <wilcal> I'm done 22:17:39 <ennael> thanks all for attending 22:17:41 <tmb> what... already... 22:17:50 <wilcal> :-) 22:17:55 <ennael> oh tmb wants to speak :) 22:18:04 <MrsB> it's not even bedtime 22:18:08 <ennael> :) 22:18:16 <ennael> see you in 2 weeks then 22:18:21 <ennael> #endmeeting