19:35:01 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:35:01 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Oct 20 19:35:01 2014 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:35:13 <ennael> #chair tmb DavidWHodgins
19:35:13 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: DavidWHodgins ennael tmb
19:35:19 <ennael> you will be the girls tonight :)
19:35:27 <DavidWHodgins> lol
19:35:38 <sebsebseb> hi
19:35:46 <tmb> yes mam
19:35:57 <ennael> ok so tonight's meeting is about teams review as once per month
19:36:02 <ennael> who wants to start ?
19:37:09 <ennael> don't be shy :)
19:37:14 <DavidWHodgins> I'll start
19:37:34 <ennael> #topic QA team review
19:38:10 <DavidWHodgins> QA team is now missing Claire, who I have not seen any activity from since Wednesday.
19:38:30 <ennael> she told us she was off for a week
19:38:40 <wilcal> A little Claire activity on one of the bugs yesterday
19:39:02 <DavidWHodgins> I'm still having health problems, so am not able to take up the slack.
19:39:23 <wilcal> I'm still here and will hold up as much as I can
19:39:35 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: I missed that notice. Which mailing list was that in?
19:39:50 <ennael> I've seen that on irc
19:41:10 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. I'm normally only on irc during meetings, as I find it too distracting for other activities.
19:42:29 <DavidWHodgins> Syncing the latest iso imangs currently.
19:43:21 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else to report for the qa team from me. wilcal Anything to add?
19:43:38 <ennael> what about pending updates ?
19:43:39 <wilcal> Had a quick look at M5B1 this morning
19:43:59 <wilcal> KDE live-cd looked ok. Gnome had a booting problem
19:45:02 <DavidWHodgins> The team seems to be getting better at having more people testing updates, but it's a slow improvement.
19:45:08 <wilcal> Pending updates are heavy with Kernel updates which take a long time to test
19:45:15 <ennael> indeed
19:45:27 <wilcal> Yes we do have more participants. Any help helps
19:45:49 <ennael> tmb: anything to add on isos side ?
19:46:15 <wilcal> By Tues afternoon California time I should have looked at all the isos
19:47:09 <ennael> on classical isos side, looks good on first side still I forgot to update left background for install
19:47:28 <ennael> still alpha2 and now stage2 does not build. Trying to find the reason
19:47:31 <tmb> well, I've started reviewing the first builds and they seem somewhat ok but some issues on gnome atleast
19:48:00 <tmb> what? stage2 broken ?
19:48:01 <ennael> was kind of expected :)
19:48:34 <wilcal> Any obvious reason I am having problems with Gnome
19:48:43 <ennael> tmb: FATAL: missing file /lib/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules (80-net-name-slot.rules) in .
19:48:47 <ennael> FATAL: missing file /etc/gtk-3.0//settings.ini (settings.ini) in .
19:48:50 <ennael> in last build
19:49:37 <wilcal> Then I'll concentrate on the KDE stuff
19:49:54 <tmb> hm, I thought I had both fixed earlier... has someone gone and dropped the fixes :/
19:50:09 <ennael> no idea
19:50:19 <ennael> I've already seen such message not a long time ago
19:50:32 <wilcal> I'll try and get through tmb's special kernels by tues evening California time
19:50:37 <tmb> must have since we've been rebuilding stage2 many times for the rpm tests
19:50:54 <ennael> yep
19:50:59 <tmb> I'll check it out and fix it up again
19:51:05 <ennael> ok thanks
19:51:26 <ennael> so as soon as it's done I'll copy stage 2 in build tree and isos will be built
19:51:50 <ennael> thanks DavidWHodgins
19:51:56 <ennael> next team?
19:52:39 <malo> packagers?
19:53:42 <ennael> ok
19:53:51 <ennael> #topic packagers team review
19:53:58 <ennael> malo: wants to do it?
19:54:02 <ennael> -s
19:54:09 <malo> I can
19:54:34 <malo> so on the packager front, there was another mass rebuild to fix the latest post-rpm update problems
19:55:21 <malo> as far as I can tell the number of broken packages is getting lower and lower.
19:55:47 <malo> The effort to help QA with security updates is not a success :-/
19:56:26 <malo> finally, ennael and tmb can give update on the rpm/glibc issue that is blocking beta1
19:56:54 <ennael> some changes were reverted to workaround this bug
19:57:08 <ennael> it needs some use case to help fixing it upstream
19:57:13 <ennael> so much more time
19:57:51 <ennael> so for now we are able to release beta1 isos
19:58:00 <DavidWHodgins> Perhaps we should add more time to the release schedule.
19:58:13 <ennael> I guess as soon as we release beta1
19:58:15 <tmb> yep, rpmlog is using pthreads for locking but it triggering SIGILL, so for now we have reverted pthread locking support for rpmlog
19:58:19 <ennael> as planned in previous meeting
19:59:17 <DavidWHodgins> I'm thinking adding a month or two for the final release.
19:59:35 <sebsebseb> what untill release?
19:59:44 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:59:44 <sebsebseb> in other words another FOSDEM release maybe?
20:00:28 <ennael> \o/
20:00:28 <malo> we shall see in next meeting I guess
20:00:30 * sebsebseb thinks it would be nice to haveanother 2014 release, but  if need to be delayed then going to be delaed to 2015
20:00:46 <tmb> (see... I told you ... :))
20:00:51 <ennael> :)
20:00:56 <malo> that's it for packagers I think
20:01:21 <ennael> sebsebseb: ok then you build and test the isos during christmas and we go for vacation with tmb :)
20:01:40 <sebsebseb> ennael: heh heh,  I said it's ok to delay to 2015 :)
20:01:42 <sebsebseb> basicaly
20:01:51 <tmb> wont erwan object ?
20:01:52 <DavidWHodgins> I wouldn't suggest tying it to fosdem, bit if that works or, that would be ok by me. Release when ready is my point of view.
20:02:04 <ennael> tmb: depends how many chocolate I can bring back :)
20:02:22 <ennael> maybe we can plan to do it during january
20:02:29 <ennael> anyway let see this when beta1 is out
20:03:24 <ennael> thanks malo
20:03:28 <ennael> next team?
20:05:17 <ennael> filip_: ?
20:05:18 <DavidWHodgins> ennael: I love chocolate!
20:05:21 <ennael> :)
20:07:56 <ennael> looks like we have lost filip_
20:07:56 <filip_> ok, I'm back. for l10n
20:07:59 <ennael> oups
20:08:09 <ennael> #topic l10n team review
20:08:47 <filip_> we're still in the process of merging with doc team.
20:10:13 <filip_> we confirmed that on the last meeting but we agreed that we should send also an email as there are some members who can't attend the meeting
20:10:26 <filip_> I'll try to send that email ;)
20:10:43 <ennael> big move indeed :)
20:10:48 <filip_> otherwise we continue as usual
20:11:08 <filip_> yeah. we'll bring the final decision here for aproval
20:11:48 <ennael> ok
20:12:17 <filip_> we have some good progress on web translation. as I observe that the most ;)
20:12:41 <filip_> but we need to know who can give blog credentials now that dams seems MIA
20:13:10 <ennael> I have acces for fr and en
20:13:12 <filip_> we have a contributor for Polish lang
20:13:56 <filip_> I already send an email to sysadmins but no answer yet
20:14:22 <ennael> tmb: any idea ?
20:15:48 <filip_> I guess that's it from l10n team
20:15:55 <ennael> ok
20:16:12 <ennael> looks like you speak also foir atelier ?
20:16:26 <filip_> yeah grenoya asked me to ;)
20:16:39 <ennael> #topic atelier team review
20:16:43 <ennael> let's go :)
20:16:46 <filip_> at least for web part I have some overview
20:17:26 <filip_> Donald send us (council ML) a winner background wallpaper
20:17:56 <filip_> and we discuss a suggestion about visual improvement of a main website
20:18:48 <filip_> but that's about it from my POV ;) for atelier
20:19:08 <ennael> so we have 1 final background?
20:19:19 * ennael is a bit late on mails
20:19:37 <filip_> it was send few hours ago or so
20:20:49 <filip_> we have a TODO but we're a bit "lazy" these days
20:21:29 <ennael> ok any feedback on list to be bought  on goodies side?
20:22:08 <filip_> not yet I guess. but personally I like what Remi had send
20:23:01 * sebsebseb was meant to vote on the pad for the background,  but   well other things.  howvever only really liked two propery and others were ok
20:23:13 <sebsebseb> out of the ones Donald picked
20:23:39 * filip_ would love that goodie stuff would be more visible
20:23:42 <sebsebseb> as long  as Mageia 5 looks nice  that' sthe main thing when it comes to  background :)
20:23:44 <ennael> ok so we need to ping atelier for feedbacks
20:23:55 <ennael> filip_: more visible?
20:24:18 <filip_> yeah. most of the general public is not aware of it
20:24:53 <filip_> I would buy some more stuff directly from Mageia for sure
20:25:15 <sebsebseb> filip_: if yuo mean goodies  for events etc, indeed we need more of that,  remi and grenoya  had some kind of idea for France I think, that then can hopefully work for uK etc later on to :)
20:25:28 <ennael> pb with this is it needs a lot of effort to send it
20:25:40 <filip_> it would be nice if someone could volunter to send stuff around the world ;)
20:25:48 <ennael> or we use existing online web site and the part for mageia is much smaller
20:25:51 <sebsebseb> yes  a online shop would be nice to if possible :)
20:25:57 <sebsebseb> even if it's just spreadshirt to begin with
20:27:18 <ennael> ok any other team?
20:27:33 <filip_> sebsebseb: I guess we still need a volunteer ;) for that
20:27:45 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: An online shop requires a tax accounttant, and a lawyer, to set up properly. Not cheap.
20:28:57 <sebsebseb> filip_: I could look after UK stuff, if only it was sent to me
20:29:42 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yes maybe,  but can use a site such as spreadshirt instead at least,  and have t-shirts on there for sale,  libre.fm do that,  however it seems spredshirt takes mostof hte profits apparnaty,  which would be the down side if so
20:29:42 <filip_> sebsebseb: what about Slovenia?
20:29:51 <sebsebseb> filip_: is that your counry?
20:30:06 <filip_> yep. but just an example.
20:30:18 <sebsebseb> well again would need a volunteer  I guess
20:31:05 <DavidWHodgins> I'm not in favour of the idea.
20:31:14 <sebsebseb> which?
20:31:34 <DavidWHodgins> An online shop.
20:31:45 <sebsebseb> that's been discused here and there for about four years now
20:31:53 <sebsebseb> I think it's something that should some how get sorted out ideally
20:32:30 <DavidWHodgins> I think it's been sorted out, by saying no.
20:32:58 <sebsebseb> well a lot of projects have  some sort of online shop,  but I think it's time to move on to the next team or subject
20:33:04 <ennael> ok looks like all teams around are done
20:33:16 <ennael> any other question, comment, suggestion?
20:33:26 <sebsebseb> nope
20:33:31 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing else here.
20:33:50 <tmb> nothing here
20:33:54 <sebsebseb> just   getting some kind of event box sorted out etc,  and not justFrance, Germany, and Brussels, but already discussed that kind of thing
20:34:05 <ennael> ok then
20:34:14 <ennael> thanks for attending and see you in 2 weeks :)
20:34:22 <ennael> #endmeeting