19:36:09 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:36:09 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Oct 6 19:36:09 2014 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:36:09 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:36:10 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:36:21 <ennael> #chair MrsB grenoya 19:36:21 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB ennael grenoya 19:36:31 <ennael> men, fear ! 19:36:33 <MrsB> uhohh 19:36:42 <Schultz> not again.... 19:36:47 * MrsB cracks the whip 19:36:55 <ennael> ok 19:36:56 <wilcal> The ladies are in charge 19:37:12 <ennael> #topic financial review and expected expenses 19:37:22 <ennael> ok let start with money :) 19:38:13 <ennael> donations are up to date on web site 19:38:26 <MrsB> great \o/ 19:38:41 <ennael> we have about 11 500€ in bank 19:38:48 <malo> we're rich 19:38:50 <ennael> :) 19:38:58 <wilcal> Lets throw a party 19:39:09 <ennael> and we sould have 500 more soon as I'm finalizing the contract with google 19:39:13 <malo> let's buy a server to build packages 19:39:24 <MrsB> it says 17000 on the website 19:39:40 <ennael> MrsB: old situation I have to update this also 19:39:40 <MrsB> http://treasurer.mageia.org/ 19:39:41 <[mbot> [ Mageia.Org treasurer infos ] 19:39:47 <MrsB> ok 19:40:05 <DavidWHodgins> What is the contract with google about? 19:40:32 <ennael> I sent a mail some weeks ago 19:40:51 <ennael> the program is called benevity 19:41:24 <DavidWHodgins> Ah. Ok. Found the msg. 19:41:32 <ennael> all google employees who spend some time on free software projects can transform time in money for this project 19:41:44 <ennael> google will pay a % for this time 19:42:16 <MrsB> we've had fewer donations this year 19:42:20 <wilcal> Is the same program being used at Ubuntu/RedHat? 19:42:31 <ennael> so at the moment pterjan is working on mass rebuild and it makes money for Mageia 19:42:34 <DavidWHodgins> My first thought, when I read the message, was that it was a a phishing msg to get banking info. 19:42:45 <ennael> dadnot at all :) 19:42:49 <ennael> oups 19:42:52 <DavidWHodgins> Good. 19:43:02 <DavidWHodgins> :-) 19:43:35 <ennael> so we have money and we have expenses (except beers) 19:43:48 <ennael> it was asked to think about it in last meetings 19:43:54 <ennael> any news on that side 19:43:56 <ennael> ? 19:44:12 <tmb> o/ 19:44:18 <ennael> :) 19:44:30 <MrsB> QA has no real expenses, unless we want to start purchasing hw to test with 19:44:43 <grenoya> I can't find that email :( 19:45:19 <DavidWHodgins> grenoya: It was in the board-public mailing list, 2014-08-17 19:45:20 <grenoya> Akien: any news about way to spend our money? :) 19:45:58 <ennael> tmb: do you have your shopping list ready? 19:46:42 <grenoya> DavidWHodgins: oh thanks, but I'm not in the board and don't read board's email 19:47:11 <tmb> As it turns out out our new valstar has issues with our old disks we planned to move :/ .... so the suggestion is to buy 5 new enterprise disks at ~150€ a piece + taxes... 19:47:45 * filip_ is not on board public yet :( 19:47:55 <ennael> tmb: do you have exact references ? 19:48:51 <DavidWHodgins> filip_: It's a public list, so anyone can subscribe to read it. It's low volume. 19:48:59 <ennael> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/board-public/2014-08/msg00002.html 19:49:00 <[mbot> [ board-public - Public board discussion - arc_protect ] 19:49:02 <filip_> I know. on it 19:49:03 <ennael> for the archive 19:49:54 <grenoya> ennael: thanks 19:50:20 <ennael> so waiting for information from tmb 19:50:26 <ennael> what about atelier ? 19:50:38 <Akien> Didn't have the time to do a quick calculation of what atelier would need, I was busy with the French administration today... 19:51:16 <ennael> guys we need to go on on that subject as it's a long time now we speak about it 19:51:35 <Akien> We'll probably want stickers, t-shirts and USB keys for the event box (+ the box itself), so it will probably be 500-1000€ 19:51:49 <Akien> Most of it can be refunded when actually selling the stuff 19:52:20 <Akien> Though I guess we'll start low and see how it goes in an event 19:52:27 <DavidWHodgins> I think a regular budget for atelier is appropriate, based on the number of events, etc. 19:53:08 <ennael> yep 19:53:10 <MrsB> We discussed that briefly in ateiler channel before, i think it could be a good idea as long as it's managed properly 19:53:14 <ennael> still we need precise information 19:53:18 <Akien> Yep 19:53:22 <Schultz> not sure how much stock we should keep as it could be annoying if we have branding changes in future, I guess without a proper idea of the turnover at events its hard to know how much we will need 19:53:54 <MrsB> let's start with 'some' and adjust as necessary 19:53:57 <Akien> Well the idea would be to make things quite release-agnostic so that we can reuse it 19:54:10 <DavidWHodgins> Atelier needs an accountant. :-) 19:54:39 <Schultz> true, but if we change the logo like we did last time. but that is a discussion for a different place 19:55:13 <Schultz> if we have the lead time for the items we want and a projection for the event, couldnt we order as needed? 19:55:19 <Akien> Schultz: I don't think we'll change the logo in the next 3+ years, it's still hard to get the current logo everywhere 19:55:30 <ennael> sure 19:55:33 <Akien> Schultz: Sure, but I wasn't planning on ordering lots of stuff 19:55:40 <Akien> Maybe 30 USB sticks and 30 t-shirts or so 19:55:59 <ennael> nope 19:56:03 <ennael> it will cost a lot 19:56:09 <MrsB> order shat is needed, don't feel unable to. This spending is as important as servers 19:56:13 <MrsB> what* 19:56:20 <ennael> small quantity is expensive 19:56:33 <Akien> True 19:56:42 <DavidWHodgins> I think an initial investment, followed by tracking of sales/replacement costs is what we should go with. 19:56:44 <Akien> I'll come back with precise numbers :-) 19:56:54 <Schultz> ok, makes sense then, I had thought that would be the case, just wanted to check. 19:57:03 <wilcal> What's a Mageia T-shirt cost to make in Europe? 19:57:03 <ennael> please do 19:57:09 <tmb> ennael: this disc: http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00159039.html (model ST2000NM0023) 19:57:10 <[mbot> [ Seagate Constellation ES.3 2 To (ST2000NM0023) : achat / vente Disque dur interne sur ldlc.com ] 19:57:22 <ennael> wilcal: we can have it at about 5,5€ 19:57:35 <Akien> wilcal: In small quantities, 15€/t-shirt easily. But with big quantities, it can be much less. 19:57:41 <ennael> or event less if black&white 19:57:44 <tmb> ennael: I dont know what the best place to buy it in France is 19:57:58 <wilcal> I can do a T-shirt here for about $5 but by the time it gets shipped to you it'd be about the same 19:58:08 <ennael> tmb: ok I will check thanks 19:58:13 * MrsB still wants a t-shirt 19:58:36 <grenoya> MrsB: depending on your size, there may already be one for you :) 19:58:41 <wilcal> T-shirt stores here print anything on a T-shirt, anything 19:58:54 <MrsB> size enormous 19:59:00 <grenoya> before ordering T-shirts, we need to know which size we could not sell 19:59:08 * grenoya is pointing at ennael 19:59:15 <ennael> tmb: I will send it to maat 19:59:26 <Akien> grenoya: I guess we can find some statistics about this? 19:59:29 <ennael> grenoya: you win :) 19:59:32 <grenoya> MrsB: alien took them all, soory 19:59:36 <tmb> and we need to ensure some quality of t-shirts 19:59:48 <Akien> With a beer factor since we're selling to geeks :-) 19:59:51 <grenoya> Akien: I'm just missing ennael count :) 20:00:25 <grenoya> tmb: like huge ones? :) 20:00:41 <ennael> quality was ok I guess 20:00:56 <Schultz> it should be possible to find a generic size demographic for europe, not sure if that will apply to people that attend Linux events though 20:01:01 <Akien> I'll try to do a quick search to have a first estimate soon, and then a more precise proposal in 1+ week (I'm moving this Wednesday, I'll be a little busy) 20:01:38 <ennael> thanks for that 20:01:57 <Akien> Let's continue the brainstorming on #mageia-atelier or the atelier ML, council is busy :-) 20:02:21 <ennael> ok 20:02:35 <ennael> tmb: anything else needed for sysadmins? 20:03:15 <tmb> not at this point... what we need is an on-site admin in DC , one way or another to get stuff moving ... 20:03:48 <tmb> I'm getting close to buying a plane ticket... 20:03:52 <grenoya> as we need to buy ropes and a huge stock of beer :) 20:03:59 <MrsB> is maat not able to help anymore? 20:04:29 <ennael> he is 20:04:53 <ennael> tmb: wasn't it ok with him ? 20:04:59 <tmb> tecnically yes... in reality who knows... we've lost a lot of time once again... :/ 20:05:19 <ennael> who is implied in this? 20:05:25 <ennael> you, pterjan, maat ? 20:05:31 <ennael> somebody elese ? 20:05:33 <ennael> else 20:06:08 <tmb> well, maat is the closest one to go to DC and fix up borked servers but it seems -ENOTIME 20:06:35 <ennael> ok let me ping him again 20:06:39 <malo> wouldn't it make sense to move our infra to some cloud? 20:06:39 <tmb> we can do some remote stuff, but we need physical access for some issues. 20:06:46 <ennael> yep 20:06:57 <ennael> we can plan something when hard disk are there 20:08:11 <ennael> #info atelier has to send a review of their needs for goodies 20:08:30 <ennael> #info ennael will buy the hard disks and send them to maat 20:08:53 <ennael> #action plan a visit in DC for maat for the disk and think about all things to be done this day 20:09:23 <wilcal> sorry "DC"=? 20:09:24 <ennael> ok for financial side ? 20:09:30 <ennael> datacenter 20:09:49 <MrsB> also the website balance to sort out 20:10:28 <ennael> ? 20:10:41 <MrsB> Global balances: 17748.83 Euros 20:11:00 <tmb> wilcal: yeah, we wont send maat to washington, only to DataCenter in Marseille :) 20:11:06 <ennael> yep 20:11:13 <ennael> :) 20:11:18 <ennael> ok next topic then 20:12:05 <ennael> #topic Mageia5 beta 1 isos 20:12:12 <MrsB> was just going to do it 20:12:12 <ennael> tmb: want to speak about live isos ? 20:12:33 <wilcal> Marseille sound a whole lot better, nothing is going on in Washington DC 20:13:27 <malo> For Cauldron current state, thanks to tv and many packagers, it's not as broken as last week. 20:13:58 <tmb> well, there is some weird issues with the builds, I'm about to ping blino about it... 20:14:25 <tmb> the deps issues seems manageable after the rebuild... 20:14:41 <MrsB> On QA side - I've emailed everybody with new login details and instruction for testing so they're prepared. I'll email everybody again when there is something ready for them. 20:14:49 <malo> 287 broken deps, 485 broken builds, 52 security bugs opened 20:15:22 <wilcal> nothing available there yet 20:18:15 <ennael> also testing on my side. No big breakage except some mess because of testing packages that were added on isos 20:18:29 <ennael> fixing it, I should be able to upload some isos tomorrow 20:19:28 <MrsB> will you be able to do a quick test before announcing them ennael? 20:19:33 <tmb> malo: yes, and the "broken deps" are not in any basesystem releated so beta1 should work... 20:20:00 <tmb> but yes we need to fix them too 20:20:07 <ennael> MrsB: yep tests are in progress here 20:20:15 <MrsB> cool, thanks 20:20:34 <ennael> that's why it takes some more time I have a crappy bw 20:21:03 <MrsB> well, we're still on schedule for our new schedule so it's ok 20:23:18 <ennael> anything alse on that side ? 20:23:34 <tmb> not for me 20:23:58 <MrsB> qa team poised and ready 20:24:04 <ennael> :) 20:24:24 <ennael> #topic mageia 5 schedule 20:24:29 <wilcal> Hard drives cleared and ready 20:24:52 <ennael> so blog post was done to explain the delay 20:25:04 <ennael> anything new we should take into account for this? 20:25:19 <MrsB> it's going to be difficult to plan for the future until we know what state the beta is in really 20:25:41 <MrsB> it would be nice to include some new features in this release if possible 20:26:43 <doktor5000> MrsB: there are a lot of small features already in mga5 but not in release notes ;p 20:27:03 <MrsB> beta's are when people begin testing for themselves so they should bring to light any issues 20:27:35 <MrsB> it's going to be a consolidation release more than a feature release this time i think 20:27:45 <tmb> well, beta2 will have to be moved some as there is now 2 weeks between beta1 and beta2 in https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development, but I dont think we should change it until we see how beta1 builds/QA will go 20:28:10 <MrsB> yes i agree tmb 20:28:40 <ennael> ok we will see that after beta1 20:28:40 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. Depending on how beta 1 does, beta 2 may need even more of a delay. 20:29:47 <ennael> #topic Artwork process for Mageia 5 20:29:47 <MrsB> the main things will be any fallout from new rpm i think 20:29:57 <ennael> ok last topic then 20:30:03 <ennael> grenoya: your turn :) 20:30:16 <Schultz> ill take my face out the food then 20:30:24 <grenoya> I asked Schultz to come tonight for that :) 20:31:37 <Schultz> we might actually get an image from the drop this year which will be nice, I think that there are some really good ones there 20:32:38 <ennael> (I promise I will not do any magic thing ;) ) 20:32:43 <Schultz> im thinking that we will probably need to give voting until Sunday then ill pass the top 3 images to council 20:32:45 <grenoya> https://plus.google.com/photos/103927125745923668103/albums/6066089917376833361?banner=pwa 20:34:32 <grenoya> you can vote here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/mga5backgroundfinalvote 20:34:34 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 20:35:02 <Schultz> the big question that remains is whither we wait for the green image to be redone, both myself and Akien like it, but it doesnt fit our colours 20:35:04 <MrsB> will you email everybody who doesn't make the finalists thanking them for their work please. I think it would be good to package all the others anyway. 20:35:45 <Schultz> yeah, ill send them a flickr mail and all the creators go into the CREDITS file 20:36:04 <grenoya> MrsB: yes Akien was asking for more than the official one too 20:36:11 <Akien> I also think we should provide some extra wallpapers 20:36:38 <MrsB> it would encourage contributors to contribute, even if their image isn't chosen 20:36:41 <Akien> Based on some of the finalists, that would not be the signature wallpaper used everywhere, but would be in the default selection when you customize your desktop 20:36:49 <Akien> Indeed 20:37:56 <Schultz> the extra backgrounds selection is normally rather wide ranging and has a fair few files in it, so I think having all of those images would be good 20:38:22 <tmb> yep 20:38:28 <Akien> Maybe not all since there are some duplicates (similar looking) 20:38:37 <Akien> But yes we can include most of them I think 20:38:48 <MrsB> it would seem a bit ungrateful not to include them 20:39:01 <Akien> MrsB: I mean variants on the same idea from the same contributor 20:39:12 <MrsB> ahh yeah, ok 20:39:44 <MrsB> do we have a volunteer packager to package them Akien ;) 20:40:07 <Schultz> also, there are many from the same contributor, so even if we dont include them all, i think each designer will have an image 20:40:20 <Akien> Yes I guess Schultz and I can have a look :-) 20:40:26 <MrsB> :) 20:40:34 <Schultz> I have always done it, then Akien fixes the mess :) 20:40:42 <MrsB> lol 20:40:44 <doktor5000> Akien: Schultz: please at least mention the package name with extra backgrounds in release notes or somewhere obvious ... 20:40:55 <MrsB> yes, good idea 20:41:32 <filip_> +1 20:41:33 <Schultz> its suggested by mga-theme if I remember that correctly, but yes, a mention would be good 20:41:40 <Akien> Maybe it can be a Recommends of mga-theme 20:42:03 <grenoya> :) 20:42:03 <Akien> And we include it on the media where there is enough place (LiveDVDs most likely, maybe classical DVDs) 20:42:22 <Schultz> we recommend now.... I need to catch up 20:42:47 <Akien> I guess we'll focus on the signature background first to have everything ready for beta2, but we won't forget about the additional backgrounds :-) 20:43:06 <MrsB> thanks guys 20:43:36 <Schultz> sounds good, and please vote, as that will hopefully streamline things later on 20:46:08 <MrsB> is there anything else you need for the artwork integration? 20:46:38 <Schultz> only other thing with artwork that I have on my mind, is if we stick with standard ksplash for kde4 or switch to the new qml one 20:47:14 <Schultz> I havnt had time to look at what it will take, but I think it shouldn't be much and we have a very simple exit back to the old ksplash 20:47:38 <DavidWHodgins> Seems a bit late to be considering such a change. 20:48:33 <Schultz> I have no idea where the kde team stands on this, but as ksplash still works, then I assume it will stay supported through the mga5 cycle 20:48:44 <ennael> I can ask one of them if you want 20:49:00 <Schultz> this leaves the artwork for kde5, but again, I don't know what we want from kde5 for now 20:49:16 <Schultz> that would be great if you could 20:49:18 <ennael> yep 20:49:24 <ennael> ok anything else on that topic? 20:49:59 <Schultz> ill do a test on kde5 tomorrow and see where it stands, otherwise I think thats everything for artwork 20:50:36 <ennael> thanks Schultz 20:50:44 <Schultz> no worries 20:50:44 <ennael> anything else for tonight ? 20:50:51 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:50:52 <grenoya> no 20:51:00 <Schultz> I'm good 20:51:01 <filip_> no 20:51:04 <wilcal> Not from me 20:51:08 <tmb> not from me 20:51:28 <MrsB> only a push request please, for some updates 20:52:30 <ennael> ok then thanks for attending and good night :) 20:52:37 <malo> thanks! 20:52:44 <ennael> #endmeeting