20:15:47 <ennael> #startmeeting
20:15:47 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Sep  8 20:15:47 2014 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:15:55 <ennael> #chair tmb MrsB
20:15:55 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: MrsB ennael tmb
20:16:02 <MrsB> oooh eck
20:16:32 <ennael> :)
20:16:41 <ennael> #topic financial review
20:16:48 <ennael> quick topic just to let you know
20:17:01 <ennael> so everything is now ok with paypal and bank account
20:17:18 <ennael> we have about 10 500€ for now
20:17:30 <MrsB> even after purchasing the server?
20:17:35 <ennael> yep
20:17:42 <MrsB> that's pretty good then
20:17:43 <DavidWHodgins> Good!
20:17:48 <ennael> yep sure :)
20:17:59 <ennael> it's quite stable for now
20:18:34 <MrsB> i think grenoya has plans for a chunk of it
20:18:41 <ennael> so just keep this in mind for marketing side
20:18:44 <ennael> yes indeed :)
20:19:13 <ennael> to get an event box and basic goodies inside for events
20:19:26 <ennael> looks sensitive for me
20:19:32 <MrsB> sensible
20:19:45 <grenoya> are we allowed to spend everything? :D
20:19:53 * grenoya hides
20:19:53 <DavidWHodgins> lol
20:20:08 <MrsB> a mageia bus
20:20:18 <tmb> a jet :)
20:20:35 <grenoya> a huge cauldron with wheels :)
20:20:41 <MrsB> :D
20:20:58 <ennael> phew you started to drink before meeting wiothout me !
20:21:02 <ennael> raaaa too bad :)
20:21:18 <MrsB> we never anticipated you would come sober :P
20:21:24 <wilcal> The Mageia Caravan over here we call them Trailers
20:21:25 <grenoya> :))
20:21:27 <ennael> tssss
20:21:39 <ennael> grenoya: could you start a list on the wiki of needed items?
20:21:57 <ennael> maybe there is already one
20:22:00 <grenoya> yep, that's the plan for tomorrow (Akien +me)
20:22:01 <DavidWHodgins> I think we should set a regular budget for marketing stuff, with exceptions for special events.
20:22:22 <ennael> grenoya: also a list of existing stuff and where we can find it :)
20:22:24 <ennael> (slap me)
20:22:36 <Akien> Hi there :)
20:22:50 <grenoya> ennael: indeed :) you're the only one not to have conted the T-shirts :)
20:23:06 <grenoya> we already have 2 pages: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Events_Box
20:23:26 <grenoya> heu..no, just this one
20:23:53 <grenoya> we will clean it in the comming days
20:24:32 <MrsB> don't forget to get a nice mageia tablecloth
20:24:35 <ennael> ok would be nice to have something for next council meeting and financial proposal
20:24:58 <Akien> We'll try to get something yes :-)
20:24:58 <grenoya> Akien: do you think it's doable?
20:25:03 <grenoya> :)
20:25:20 <Akien> Yes better do it quickly but actually do something, than linger too long on it and forget it again ;-)
20:25:20 <grenoya> MrsB: we have one, but it needs some sewing
20:26:20 <MrsB> we should have changed topic
20:26:24 <ennael> ok anything else for this?
20:27:06 <Akien> Not for now I think, we'll discuss it further when we have an actual proposal
20:27:18 <ennael> ok
20:27:34 <ennael> #topic Mageia 5 planning
20:28:02 <ennael> ok let se how thing are going on that side
20:28:17 <ennael> so version freeze is planned for tomorrow
20:28:24 <ennael> let say end of the day
20:28:37 <ennael> tmb: can you plan to do it or shall we ask somebody?
20:28:37 <DavidWHodgins> End of day in which timezone?
20:28:44 <grenoya> DavidWHodgins: CEST
20:28:53 <tmb> ennael, I can manage it
20:28:57 <ennael> ok
20:29:02 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14069 I created a release blocker tracking bug today
20:29:04 <[mbot> [ Bug 14069 [Tracker] Mageia 5 release critical ]
20:29:06 <ennael> I'll send a mail just after meeting as a reminder
20:29:14 <ennael> MrsB: yep thanks for that
20:30:19 <MrsB> are we still on schedule?
20:30:57 <tmb> yep
20:31:11 <DavidWHodgins> Will the new version of rpm be going in?
20:31:49 <grenoya> DavidWHodgins: nope, just new packages or rebuild of an existing one with same version
20:32:10 <MrsB> i think if it is going to then it should go in before beta 1
20:32:41 <DavidWHodgins> Agreed. If not in by beta 1, it should be held off till Mageia 6.
20:33:02 <grenoya> sorry, I misread
20:34:05 <tmb> I think we could go for it, before the rebuild, but I still want to read up on all mails by tv...
20:34:24 <ennael> still not finished on my side..
20:34:51 <MrsB> i've no objections to it at this stage of the process
20:35:47 <DavidWHodgins> It's just over 24 hours till version freeze, so it has to be decided quickly, unless an exception is made.
20:36:19 <MrsB> before mass rebuild ideally
20:36:49 <DavidWHodgins> Must be before mass rebuild, in my opinion. Otherwise hold it till Mageia 6.
20:37:36 <MrsB> Aside from the technical changes, i think it's the kind of major thing that makes headlines and Mageia would be noticably behind if we release with an older version than other distros
20:37:53 <tmb> DavidWHodgins, yep. thats the idea..
20:37:54 <Akien> MrsB: +1
20:38:05 <Akien> Though that should not be the main motivation :-)
20:38:24 <Akien> But it's a good thing for the release announcement on the blog
20:38:51 <malo> we plan to discuss the new rpm version in tomorrow's packager meeting
20:39:37 <MrsB> ok, well no objections from QA at this stage in the process then malo
20:40:12 <malo> the general feeling seems to be ok but it has to be now.
20:40:20 <MrsB> yeah
20:40:32 <DavidWHodgins> malo: Agreed
20:42:28 <malo> on package freeze, we'll discuss it tomorrow in meeting as well. Packagers are currently busy updating like crazy.
20:42:35 <ennael> :)
20:42:39 * ennael hides
20:42:46 <MrsB> it was a very thorough email Thierry sent which helps greatly, we should thank him for that.
20:43:08 <DavidWHodgins> malo: I know. My local mirror sync has been running for several hours.
20:43:29 <malo> DavidWHodgins: be ready for more ...
20:43:34 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
20:44:01 <malo> DavidWHodgins: I still have something like 50 packages to update by tomorrow :-/
20:44:01 <sebsebseb> hi
20:44:32 <MrsB> sebsebseb
20:44:52 <ennael> ok this is for version freeze then we will have mass rebuild
20:45:32 <malo> the lack of autobuild make it harder to prepare for it
20:45:32 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: HiYa. Council meeting in progress.
20:45:43 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: yep
20:45:56 <malo> ennael: is there plan to make it come back?
20:46:26 <ennael> ?
20:46:41 <tmb> malo, yes, but we'll redo that host hopefully in time for rebuilds
20:46:53 <malo> pterjan was running the latest autobuild on his own machines
20:47:02 <ennael> oh yes
20:47:12 <ennael> tmb: is maat helping on this ?
20:47:23 <tmb> yes
20:48:00 <tmb> and if we can manage it we'll hopefully switch new valstar into place before the rebuild too
20:48:11 <malo> cool. The earliest the better, otherwise mass rebuild will not mass rebuild much
20:48:29 <ennael> :)
20:48:31 <ennael> ok
20:48:40 <tmb> that would allow old valstar to take place of old jonund that died
20:49:05 <tmb> (until old valstar dies too :) ...)
20:49:40 <tmb> that would give us 4 buildhosts for the rebuild process
20:49:57 <wilcal> tmb: which M5 kernel will we be at at freeze?
20:50:14 <tmb> wilcal, we are at 3.17-rc4 now
20:50:31 <wilcal> thks
20:50:47 <malo> tmb: great, thanks to you and maat
20:51:01 <ennael> MrsB: I've seen lots of contacts following blog post
20:51:04 <ennael> that's great
20:51:17 <ennael> do we have more people planned for beta 1 isos?
20:51:58 <MrsB> some have said help and vanished and one has emailed to say he has to concentrate on some other stuff for now but hopefully a few will stay and contribute
20:52:08 <MrsB> said hello*
20:52:46 <MrsB> I'll email the iso testers a week early so they are prepared
20:53:03 <ennael> ok
20:53:24 <ennael> what about i18n ?
20:53:25 <tmb> MrsB, oh... now I remembered about the ldap groups...
20:53:43 <MrsB> it's ok tmb, whenever you can
20:54:04 <MrsB> there is also some stuff to sort out for backports
20:55:45 <tmb> MrsB, ok, will discuss with coling about that
20:55:59 <MrsB> okay, thanks. I don't want to overload you
20:57:07 <tmb> <ennael> what about i18n ?
20:57:25 * tmb goes reading the planning
20:57:44 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_5_Development
20:58:12 <MrsB> Akien: this one's for you i think :)
20:58:30 <ennael> yep :)
20:59:43 <ennael> too late :)
21:00:57 <tmb> seems people is falling asleep
21:01:10 <ennael> yep
21:01:29 <ennael> well unless there is another topic for tonight we can stop
21:01:30 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
21:01:31 <MrsB> maybe mail i18n ml about it instead
21:01:37 <ennael> yep
21:02:42 <tmb> nothing from me
21:02:52 <ennael> ok looks like we can stop for today
21:02:56 <Akien> Yep sorry I was falling asleep :-)
21:03:01 <Akien> Nothing particular for i18n
21:03:02 <wilcal> Was the marketing needs the box of goodies
21:03:04 <DavidWHodgins> Beta 1 was the only other topic. It's scheduled for 2014/09/30, and as far as I know, is on track.
21:03:45 <tmb> yep
21:03:54 <ennael> ok then it's ok
21:04:00 <ennael> thanks for attending this late meeting
21:04:03 <MrsB> I'll email council ml again tomorrow to get some input on the commercial contributors page
21:04:08 <malo> the sun shines on Mageialand
21:04:21 <wilcal> Still rated in the top 5
21:04:22 <DavidWHodgins> :-)
21:04:25 <ennael> and let's go to drink now :)
21:04:31 <ennael> #endmeeting