19:39:34 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:39:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon May 12 19:39:34 2014 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:39:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:39:39 <ennael> #chair tmb 19:39:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael tmb 19:39:43 <ennael> #chair MrsB 19:39:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB ennael tmb 19:39:47 <MrsB> uh ohh 19:40:04 <ennael> ok so as proposed in the mail can we focus on teams review for that meeting ? 19:40:06 <tmb> thanks, it was tiresome to stand 19:40:14 <ennael> :) 19:40:32 <sebsebseb> hi 19:40:34 <wilcal> Good Corporate meetings never last more then an hour 19:40:58 <ennael> let start then :) 19:41:01 <tmb> wilcal, so it shows we are not a corporation ... 19:41:09 <ennael> who wants to start ? 19:41:17 <wilcal> :-) 19:41:20 <MrsB> I can do, but did last time 19:41:48 <MrsB> how about packagers? 19:42:04 <ennael> I'd like to see malo around also in a moment 19:42:08 <ennael> if you are ok 19:42:12 <MrsB> np 19:42:23 <ennael> #topic qa team review 19:42:27 <MrsB> :D 19:42:34 <ennael> your turn then as these gentleman are sleeping :) 19:42:37 <ennael> gentlemen 19:42:58 <MrsB> QA has (as always these days) a long list of updates waiting to be tested 19:43:17 <MrsB> We're keeping on top of security updates but we're really struggling to tackle the bugfixes 19:43:45 <MrsB> there are alot more sec updates every year 19:44:18 <MrsB> wilcal and lewis are getting more familiar with things, more experienced, and tackling some more complex updates which is good 19:44:34 <ennael> more packages or really more udpates 19:44:35 <ennael> ? 19:44:44 <MrsB> More CVE's 19:45:12 <MrsB> They've had to extend the CVE numbering with an extra zero this year so they don't run out 19:45:41 <MrsB> when we first began a few years ago we hit around 5-6000 IINM 19:45:58 <ennael> indeed 19:45:59 <wilcal> Sometimes we just need to have people duplicate a process on their own platform 19:46:04 <tmb> yep, there are a lot more people searching for security issues nowdays, soem even poke ancient code and get the issues registered... 19:46:23 <MrsB> alot more going on in the security world 19:46:43 <MrsB> it's a good ting, but it's keeping us busy just keeping on top of those 19:47:13 <MrsB> We're also seeing ISOs for 4.1 landing this last week 19:47:32 <ennael> yep any ETA on it? 19:47:47 <ennael> I've seen somebody starting working on it 19:47:49 <MrsB> What I don't want to happen is to take our eye off the ball for 4.1 and end up with a huge unmanageable list again 19:48:32 <MrsB> If we can get some help to clear the list again, especially the bugfixes, then we'll be in a good position to give 4.1 our attention 19:49:01 <MrsB> ISOs are increasingly something we have to plan ahead for though 19:49:35 <MrsB> we've not really recovered since the post release influx of updates 19:49:46 <ennael> tmb: any progress on your side ? 19:50:42 <tmb> ennael, I've started to adapt to the breakages, but now eta for now.... 19:51:02 <Akien> There are a few old bugfixes updates that aren't progressing much, maybe some fresh eyes on those could be useful (lightdm, gnome-keyring, e17, amavisd...) 19:51:24 <ennael> Akien: would be nice to mail -dev about this if not already done 19:51:38 <MrsB> Very much so Akien, thats really where we are struggling. There is just not enough time/energy to get on top of them at the moment. 19:51:42 <Akien> ennael: Yes good idea. I can do this. 19:51:52 <ennael> thanks 19:52:16 <MrsB> If people could help us to test the bugfixes we can get them shifted and bring things back to a controllable level 19:53:56 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates for the list 19:53:59 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ] 19:54:25 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates for the process 19:54:45 <ennael> anybody from the forums here? 19:55:02 <ennael> I remember there were some people willing to help on that 19:55:50 <MrsB> great if there are 19:56:13 <MrsB> it wouldn't take much 19:56:24 <ennael> let see if we have these guys around tonight 19:57:17 <ennael> MrsB: anything else for QA team ? 19:57:33 <ennael> what about blog post ? 19:57:43 <MrsB> that's about it, thanks :) The blog post is still WIP :\ 19:59:06 <MrsB> I'll do a quick one to explain there are posts coming from each team first if that's ok, send it to the ML for approval 20:02:13 <MrsB> next team? 20:02:50 <ennael> who's next ? 20:03:17 * MrsB sent everybody to sleep 20:03:28 <ennael> :) 20:03:35 <wilcal> I'm still awake :-)) 20:03:57 <ennael> so ? 20:04:30 <MrsB> tmb Akien filip_ grenoya maat 20:04:36 <MrsB> leuhmanu 20:05:03 <Akien> We can do i18n I guess 20:05:11 <ennael> ok 20:05:16 <ennael> #topic i18n team 20:05:58 <Akien> ping filip_, I haven't prepared my speech :-p 20:06:09 <filip_> Akien: me neither 20:06:20 <filip_> I'm really tired :( 20:06:23 <ennael> you can sing if you want 20:06:29 <Akien> So there aren't much news actually, things are going on quite well 20:06:32 <filip_> we tried to consolidate a bit 20:06:54 <ennael> can we have a quick sum up about the tools ? 20:07:05 <ennael> it has change so many times these last months 20:07:09 <Akien> Sure :) 20:07:10 <filip_> we intend to refresh our wiki pages but not much progress yet 20:07:21 <Akien> So most of the translation work happens on the web platform transifex.com 20:07:48 <Akien> It's sadly not open-source (anymore at least), but it's used by a lot of open-source projects 20:08:24 <Akien> filip_ worked on converting the translation system of our webpages to the gettext translation system, so that the web pages can also be translated on Transifex 20:08:54 <Akien> So apart from the blogs and the wiki, all the translation work can be done on Tx: software, documentation and website 20:09:24 <Akien> We're starting to wonder how to get our Transifex users more involved in the Mageia community 20:09:59 <filip_> yeah, there seems to be a lots of new translators and even work done in tx but they are not on the ML 20:10:19 <ennael> you mean they work alone on their side 20:10:29 <MrsB> Are they all mageia users or more of a translation community than mageia community ? 20:10:32 <Akien> We also start to think about how to handle the different teams on Tx, and e.g. approval of new users in existing teams 20:11:12 <Akien> The Turkish translation teams asked us to let them manage their users themselves, and they ask wannabe translators to get in touch first before they can be accepted in the team 20:11:48 <filip_> I think that such a policy can be good for quality 20:12:08 <Akien> We don't have a clear idea about it yet though, it's a new tool and workflow for us, it's hard to know what would be best 20:13:06 <Akien> But even if we go with a similar policy, we need some contributors in each time that are involved in the community, on the mailing list, IRC, forums, etc. 20:13:28 <Akien> In short, we need to know our guys better :-) 20:13:42 <Akien> MrsB: That's a good question, we don't know yet 20:13:54 <filip_> MrsB: I got very few responses so it's hard to say 20:14:09 <ennael> what about blog post? 20:14:09 <MrsB> Meetings are a good way to get people to gether, 'team bonding' if you like. It's a bit of a cliche. 20:14:25 <filip_> MrsB: I agree 20:14:40 <Akien> MrsB: Yep, we started to have monthly meetings again 20:15:08 <MrsB> We have ours weekly in QA, it seems to work better. I notice if we miss one that energy levels drop 20:15:12 <Akien> For now we see mostly the well-known contributors of the first hour, but we'll keep inviting everyone, hopefully some will join 20:15:30 <filip_> about the blog post we didn't move much but I had an idea to describe the gettext transiotion for web opages 20:15:35 <Akien> We got a Swedish translator recently who seems quite motivated to be part of the community 20:15:42 <filip_> yeah 20:15:59 <Akien> So, to conclude, things are looking good :-) 20:16:05 <MrsB> \o/ 20:16:12 <filip_> he's also a bit experianced in web technologies so we never know 20:16:17 <ennael> great to hear :) 20:16:32 <MrsB> well done, all down to good leadership I'm sure :) 20:17:00 <Akien> Ah and tv fixed an issue we had with the update of the translation catalogs, so yurchor is happy too I think :è) 20:17:02 <Akien> :-) 20:17:08 <filip_> but I have to admit I'm a bit in the back lattely 20:17:49 <ennael> anything else ? 20:18:03 <Akien> It's all for i18n I think 20:18:10 <ennael> thanks :) 20:18:19 <ennael> #topic atelier team 20:18:23 <ennael> grenoya: ? 20:18:27 <grenoya> yes :) 20:18:28 <filip_> we would love to move forward with https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/i18n-discuss/2014-03/msg00046.html 20:18:29 <[mbot> [ i18n-discuss - Translation team discussions - arc_protect ] 20:18:48 <MrsB> grenoya: you've been working wonders in atelier 20:19:04 <grenoya> MrsB: if you think so :) 20:19:16 * filip_ thinks that too 20:19:25 <ennael> well it seems atlier likes endless discussions so that was well done :) 20:19:30 <grenoya> Atelier's visible work lately is on the web side 20:20:28 <grenoya> we're working on the homogeneity of the www pages and on a centered navbar 20:20:38 <grenoya> it should arrive soon on test pages 20:21:10 <leuhmanu> http://www.mageia.org/test/center.php 20:21:11 <[mbot> [ Center Alignment ] 20:21:15 <grenoya> tmb opened us a ftp so we should put epub and pdf files for mga4 documentation this week 20:21:30 <grenoya> leuhmanu: thanks :) 20:21:56 <MrsB> ahh yes that's alot better, it always looked a bit odd to the left 20:22:10 <filip_> and thanks to versatile tmb for that ftp space 20:22:46 <grenoya> and I think that's all 20:22:53 <Akien> I think it's great too, especially since display width have such a broad range now (768p to 2000+p) 20:23:10 <ennael> grenoya: on my side I have a special request 20:23:31 <ennael> about artwork contest and next official artwork 20:23:44 <ennael> that would be really great to really start now to look for it 20:24:19 <grenoya> ennael: ok, I'll send a mail about that :) 20:24:22 <leuhmanu> so nice one are already here (simple but nice) http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic-17857-1+preparation-fonds-ecran-mageia-5.php 20:24:23 <[mbot> [ MLO - Mageia Linux Online - : Sujet - pr�paration fonds �cran Mageia 5 ] 20:24:25 <leuhmanu> some 20:24:32 <grenoya> and another about the blog post for atelier 20:24:52 <Akien> And maybe look proactively for designers too, we haven't had tons of contributors in the last contests 20:24:55 <MrsB> Be good to have somewhere central for people to drop proposed artwork 20:25:26 <Akien> I have a few friends studying or graduating from design schools, I'll try to get them interested in adding the best community distro to their portfolio :-) 20:25:35 <leuhmanu> MrsB: any proposition beside flickr ? 20:25:46 <grenoya> Akien: that would be nice thanks :) 20:26:05 <MrsB> What was the one we said before, opensource wepapp 20:26:29 <Akien> owncloud? 20:26:32 <MrsB> it even had ldap login 20:26:45 <MrsB> mediagoblin, is that it? 20:27:09 <leuhmanu> well this needs sysadmin 20:27:29 <leuhmanu> and not this last 20:27:57 <MrsB> or owncloud yes 20:29:11 <grenoya> next team? 20:29:24 <ennael> tmb: want to speak for sysadmins ? 20:29:43 * tmb hides ... or not... 20:29:46 <tmb> so 20:29:53 <ennael> #topic sysadmins team 20:30:49 <tmb> the infra is supposed to be upgraded to mga4 and a new valstar should be added, unfortunately I havent any new info from dams regarding the new valstar 20:31:01 <leuhmanu> I saw that coincoin will try to go in marseille this week 20:31:07 <leuhmanu> (seen in the irc channel 20:31:43 <tmb> leuhmanu, ah, good, that should get most of the infra running mga4 then. 20:32:37 <tmb> when we have mga4 infra in place, there will be a new wiki installed... 20:32:52 <Akien> \o/ 20:33:29 <tmb> but as soon as mediawiki 1.23 is released I will set up a test wiki so people can play with it 20:33:59 <MrsB> will that enable the translation addon to be used Akien? 20:34:53 <tmb> I'm also thinking of setting up an owncloud instance 20:35:19 <MrsB> that'd be cool 20:35:45 <wilcal> owncloud is kool :-)) 20:35:54 <Akien> MrsB: Yes, that's the plan 20:36:15 <leuhmanu> (not everyone is saying that but well :D) 20:36:17 <tmb> for packagers, coling is doing planning to switch the packages repo to git too, but we need to adapt buildsystem and tools for it 20:36:56 <tmb> mo eta on the svn -> git conversion for now, it's still in planning stages 20:37:23 <ennael> I've seen coling speaking about small work on it 20:39:43 <tmb> then we'll see if we can use rabbit for QA tests too, but that is currently in brainstorming stages ... 20:40:04 <grenoya> tmb: any news on the git migration of web and other parts that were not yet migrated? 20:40:10 <ennael> dams told me he is speaking with Dell commercial guy 20:40:32 <ennael> seems they have changed the way they manage such things and it may be hard to get same price as before 20:40:37 <tmb> when we get sucuk up and running we'll look into opening it up for packagers too 20:40:51 <ennael> nice 20:42:14 <tmb> grenoya, nope, sorry. I think we need info from coling on that... 20:42:28 <grenoya> ok :) 20:42:51 <tmb> I dont know if he have tried the conversion yet or not... 20:43:05 <tmb> that's all that I can think of for now 20:43:20 <ennael> ok thanks tmb 20:43:28 <ennael> do we have docteam people around? 20:43:57 <MrsB> have the new leaders been added to council list? 20:44:08 <ennael> good question... 20:44:20 <tmb> I think I did 20:44:56 <ennael> we can ask them on the ML 20:45:12 <ennael> ok packagers then 20:45:15 <tmb> well, I can re-check on identity 20:45:21 <ennael> #topic packagers team 20:45:41 <ennael> so meetings are just stopped for a time now... well since specifications 20:45:57 <ennael> malo is still hardly available so I guess I will restart it on my own 20:46:30 <ennael> we still have a pb having people around for these meetings. It seems ML is working much better 20:47:30 <ennael> so what need to be done quite quickly : a blog post about specifications and what is going on on this team 20:47:37 <ennael> and also about release process 20:48:29 <MrsB> what's happening with the 'tools' subteam 20:48:56 <ennael> for now not that much unfortunately. I guess it needs some kicks around to start again 20:49:21 <ennael> I plan to do it in the 2 coming weeks having a "real" discussions with people implied 20:50:06 <MrsB> It's useful for things other than drak* too, like isodumper and mageiawelcome etc 20:50:32 <ennael> indeed we may start with that one, it should be easier 20:50:37 <ennael> good idea 20:50:43 <MrsB> a home for devs and people wanting something do programming 20:50:53 <MrsB> to do with* 20:50:58 <ennael> a home ? 20:51:36 <MrsB> We've seen in the past people asking what they can do programming wise, a team for them to drop into 20:51:54 <ennael> ok got it 20:52:06 <MrsB> perl/python/c people 20:53:26 <ennael> yep 20:53:42 <ennael> other than that we have 4.1 isos in progress also 20:53:59 <ennael> would be nice not to wait too long to avoid updating and rebuilding isos again 20:54:49 <sebsebseb> oh that is still going on 20:56:10 <MrsB> If we can get the bugfixes cleared we can get on with that then 20:56:28 <wilcal> At least down to a reasonable level 20:57:25 <wilcal> FWIW I must press on at 21:00 UTC 20:57:51 <ennael> ok that's all for now for packagers 20:57:53 <MrsB> Ok Bill, thanks for being here :) 20:58:14 <ennael> any other team around? 21:00:04 <ennael> ok then 21:00:13 <ennael> thanks all for being around tonight 21:00:18 <wilcal> cheers till next time 21:00:28 <ennael> and let keep on the good work 21:00:37 <MrsB> thanks ennael 21:00:39 <ennael> see you for next meeting 21:00:43 <ennael> #endmeeting