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19:39:34 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon May 12 19:39:34 2014 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:39:39 <ennael> #chair tmb
19:39:39 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael tmb
19:39:43 <ennael> #chair MrsB
19:39:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB ennael tmb
19:39:47 <MrsB> uh ohh
19:40:04 <ennael> ok so as proposed in the mail can we focus on teams review for that meeting ?
19:40:06 <tmb> thanks, it was tiresome to stand
19:40:14 <ennael> :)
19:40:32 <sebsebseb> hi
19:40:34 <wilcal> Good Corporate meetings never last more then an hour
19:40:58 <ennael> let start then :)
19:41:01 <tmb> wilcal, so it shows we are not a corporation ...
19:41:09 <ennael> who wants to start ?
19:41:17 <wilcal> :-)
19:41:20 <MrsB> I can do, but did last time
19:41:48 <MrsB> how about packagers?
19:42:04 <ennael> I'd like to see malo around also in a moment
19:42:08 <ennael> if you are ok
19:42:12 <MrsB> np
19:42:23 <ennael> #topic qa team review
19:42:27 <MrsB> :D
19:42:34 <ennael> your turn then as these gentleman are sleeping :)
19:42:37 <ennael> gentlemen
19:42:58 <MrsB> QA has (as always these days) a long list of updates waiting to be tested
19:43:17 <MrsB> We're keeping on top of security updates but we're really struggling to tackle the bugfixes
19:43:45 <MrsB> there are alot more sec updates every year
19:44:18 <MrsB> wilcal and lewis are getting more familiar with things, more experienced, and tackling some more complex updates which is good
19:44:34 <ennael> more packages or really more udpates
19:44:35 <ennael> ?
19:44:44 <MrsB> More CVE's
19:45:12 <MrsB> They've had to extend the CVE numbering with an extra zero this year so they don't run out
19:45:41 <MrsB> when we first began a few years ago we hit around 5-6000 IINM
19:45:58 <ennael> indeed
19:45:59 <wilcal> Sometimes we just need to have people duplicate a process on their own platform
19:46:04 <tmb> yep, there are a lot more people searching for security issues nowdays, soem even poke ancient code and get the issues registered...
19:46:23 <MrsB> alot more going on in the security world
19:46:43 <MrsB> it's a good ting, but it's keeping us busy just keeping on top of those
19:47:13 <MrsB> We're also seeing ISOs for 4.1 landing this last week
19:47:32 <ennael> yep any ETA on it?
19:47:47 <ennael> I've seen somebody starting working on it
19:47:49 <MrsB> What I don't want to happen is to take our eye off the ball for 4.1 and end up with a huge unmanageable list again
19:48:32 <MrsB> If we can get some help to clear the list again, especially the bugfixes, then we'll be in a good position to give 4.1 our attention
19:49:01 <MrsB> ISOs are increasingly something we have to plan ahead for though
19:49:35 <MrsB> we've not really recovered since the post release influx of updates
19:49:46 <ennael> tmb: any progress on your side ?
19:50:42 <tmb> ennael, I've started to adapt to the breakages, but now eta for now....
19:51:02 <Akien> There are a few old bugfixes updates that aren't progressing much, maybe some fresh eyes on those could be useful (lightdm, gnome-keyring, e17, amavisd...)
19:51:24 <ennael> Akien: would be nice to mail -dev about this if not already done
19:51:38 <MrsB> Very much so Akien, thats really where we are struggling. There is just not enough time/energy to get on top of them at the moment.
19:51:42 <Akien> ennael: Yes good idea. I can do this.
19:51:52 <ennael> thanks
19:52:16 <MrsB> If people could help us to test the bugfixes we can get them shifted and bring things back to a controllable level
19:53:56 <MrsB> http://mageia.madb.org/tools/updates for the list
19:53:59 <[mbot> [ Mageia App Db - Current Update candidates ]
19:54:25 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_process_for_validating_updates for the process
19:54:45 <ennael> anybody from the forums here?
19:55:02 <ennael> I remember there were some people willing to help on that
19:55:50 <MrsB> great if there are
19:56:13 <MrsB> it wouldn't take much
19:56:24 <ennael> let see if we have these guys around tonight
19:57:17 <ennael> MrsB: anything else for QA team ?
19:57:33 <ennael> what about blog post ?
19:57:43 <MrsB> that's about it, thanks :) The blog post is still WIP :\
19:59:06 <MrsB> I'll do a quick one to explain there are posts coming from each team first if that's ok, send it to the ML for approval
20:02:13 <MrsB> next team?
20:02:50 <ennael> who's next ?
20:03:17 * MrsB sent everybody to sleep
20:03:28 <ennael> :)
20:03:35 <wilcal> I'm still awake  :-))
20:03:57 <ennael> so ?
20:04:30 <MrsB> tmb Akien filip_ grenoya maat
20:04:36 <MrsB> leuhmanu
20:05:03 <Akien> We can do i18n I guess
20:05:11 <ennael> ok
20:05:16 <ennael> #topic i18n team
20:05:58 <Akien> ping filip_, I haven't prepared my speech :-p
20:06:09 <filip_> Akien: me neither
20:06:20 <filip_> I'm really tired :(
20:06:23 <ennael> you can sing if you want
20:06:29 <Akien> So there aren't much news actually, things are going on quite well
20:06:32 <filip_> we tried to consolidate a bit
20:06:54 <ennael> can we have a quick sum up about the tools ?
20:07:05 <ennael> it has change so many times these last months
20:07:09 <Akien> Sure :)
20:07:10 <filip_> we intend to refresh our wiki pages but not much progress yet
20:07:21 <Akien> So most of the translation work happens on the web platform transifex.com
20:07:48 <Akien> It's sadly not open-source (anymore at least), but it's used by a lot of open-source projects
20:08:24 <Akien> filip_ worked on converting the translation system of our webpages to the gettext translation system, so that the web pages can also be translated on Transifex
20:08:54 <Akien> So apart from the blogs and the wiki, all the translation work can be done on Tx: software, documentation and website
20:09:24 <Akien> We're starting to wonder how to get our Transifex users more involved in the Mageia community
20:09:59 <filip_> yeah, there seems to be a lots of new translators and even work done in tx but they are not on the ML
20:10:19 <ennael> you mean they work alone on their side
20:10:29 <MrsB> Are they all mageia users or more of a translation community than mageia community ?
20:10:32 <Akien> We also start to think about how to handle the different teams on Tx, and e.g. approval of new users in existing teams
20:11:12 <Akien> The Turkish translation teams asked us to let them manage their users themselves, and they ask wannabe translators to get in touch first before they can be accepted in the team
20:11:48 <filip_> I think that such a policy can be good for quality
20:12:08 <Akien> We don't have a clear idea about it yet though, it's a new tool and workflow for us, it's hard to know what would be best
20:13:06 <Akien> But even if we go with a similar policy, we need some contributors in each time that are involved in the community, on the mailing list, IRC, forums, etc.
20:13:28 <Akien> In short, we need to know our guys better :-)
20:13:42 <Akien> MrsB: That's a good question, we don't know yet
20:13:54 <filip_> MrsB: I got very few responses so it's hard to say
20:14:09 <ennael> what about blog post?
20:14:09 <MrsB> Meetings are a good way to get people to gether, 'team bonding' if you like. It's a bit of a cliche.
20:14:25 <filip_> MrsB: I agree
20:14:40 <Akien> MrsB: Yep, we started to have monthly meetings again
20:15:08 <MrsB> We have ours weekly in QA, it seems to work better. I notice if we miss one that energy levels drop
20:15:12 <Akien> For now we see mostly the well-known contributors of the first hour, but we'll keep inviting everyone, hopefully some will join
20:15:30 <filip_> about the blog post we didn't move much but I had an idea to describe the gettext transiotion for web opages
20:15:35 <Akien> We got a Swedish translator recently who seems quite motivated to be part of the community
20:15:42 <filip_> yeah
20:15:59 <Akien> So, to conclude, things are looking good :-)
20:16:05 <MrsB> \o/
20:16:12 <filip_> he's also a bit experianced in web technologies so we never know
20:16:17 <ennael> great to hear :)
20:16:32 <MrsB> well done, all down to good leadership I'm sure :)
20:17:00 <Akien> Ah and tv fixed an issue we had with the update of the translation catalogs, so yurchor is happy too I think :è)
20:17:02 <Akien> :-)
20:17:08 <filip_> but I have to admit I'm a bit in the back lattely
20:17:49 <ennael> anything else ?
20:18:03 <Akien> It's all for i18n I think
20:18:10 <ennael> thanks :)
20:18:19 <ennael> #topic atelier team
20:18:23 <ennael> grenoya:  ?
20:18:27 <grenoya> yes :)
20:18:28 <filip_> we would love to move forward with https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/i18n-discuss/2014-03/msg00046.html
20:18:29 <[mbot> [ i18n-discuss - Translation team discussions - arc_protect ]
20:18:48 <MrsB> grenoya: you've been working wonders in atelier
20:19:04 <grenoya> MrsB: if you think so :)
20:19:16 * filip_ thinks that too
20:19:25 <ennael> well it seems atlier likes endless discussions so that was well done :)
20:19:30 <grenoya> Atelier's visible work lately is on the web side
20:20:28 <grenoya> we're working on the homogeneity of the www pages and on a centered navbar
20:20:38 <grenoya> it should arrive soon on test pages
20:21:10 <leuhmanu> http://www.mageia.org/test/center.php
20:21:11 <[mbot> [ Center Alignment ]
20:21:15 <grenoya> tmb opened us a ftp so we should put epub and pdf files for mga4 documentation this week
20:21:30 <grenoya> leuhmanu: thanks :)
20:21:56 <MrsB> ahh yes that's alot better, it always looked a bit odd to the left
20:22:10 <filip_> and thanks to versatile tmb for that ftp space
20:22:46 <grenoya> and I think that's all
20:22:53 <Akien> I think it's great too, especially since display width have such a broad range now (768p to 2000+p)
20:23:10 <ennael> grenoya: on my side I have a special request
20:23:31 <ennael> about artwork contest and next official artwork
20:23:44 <ennael> that would be really great to really start now to look for it
20:24:19 <grenoya> ennael: ok, I'll send a mail about that :)
20:24:22 <leuhmanu> so nice one are already here (simple but nice) http://www.mageialinux-online.org/forum/topic-17857-1+preparation-fonds-ecran-mageia-5.php
20:24:23 <[mbot> [ MLO - Mageia Linux Online - : Sujet - pr�paration fonds �cran Mageia 5 ]
20:24:25 <leuhmanu> some
20:24:32 <grenoya> and another about the blog post for atelier
20:24:52 <Akien> And maybe look proactively for designers too, we haven't had tons of contributors in the last contests
20:24:55 <MrsB> Be good to have somewhere central for people to drop proposed artwork
20:25:26 <Akien> I have a few friends studying or graduating from design schools, I'll try to get them interested in adding the best community distro to their portfolio :-)
20:25:35 <leuhmanu> MrsB: any proposition beside flickr ?
20:25:46 <grenoya> Akien: that would be nice thanks :)
20:26:05 <MrsB> What was the one we said before, opensource wepapp
20:26:29 <Akien> owncloud?
20:26:32 <MrsB> it even had ldap login
20:26:45 <MrsB> mediagoblin, is that it?
20:27:09 <leuhmanu> well this needs sysadmin
20:27:29 <leuhmanu> and not this last
20:27:57 <MrsB> or owncloud yes
20:29:11 <grenoya> next team?
20:29:24 <ennael> tmb: want to speak for sysadmins ?
20:29:43 * tmb hides ... or not...
20:29:46 <tmb> so
20:29:53 <ennael> #topic sysadmins team
20:30:49 <tmb> the infra is supposed to be upgraded to mga4 and a new valstar should be added, unfortunately I havent any new info from dams regarding the new valstar
20:31:01 <leuhmanu> I saw that coincoin will try to go in marseille this week
20:31:07 <leuhmanu> (seen in the irc channel
20:31:43 <tmb> leuhmanu, ah, good, that should get most of the infra running mga4 then.
20:32:37 <tmb> when we have mga4 infra in place, there will be a new wiki installed...
20:32:52 <Akien> \o/
20:33:29 <tmb> but as soon as mediawiki 1.23 is released I will set up a test wiki so people can play with it
20:33:59 <MrsB> will that enable the translation addon to be used Akien?
20:34:53 <tmb> I'm also thinking of setting up an owncloud instance
20:35:19 <MrsB> that'd be cool
20:35:45 <wilcal> owncloud is kool :-))
20:35:54 <Akien> MrsB: Yes, that's the plan
20:36:15 <leuhmanu> (not everyone is saying that but well :D)
20:36:17 <tmb> for packagers, coling  is doing planning to switch the packages repo to git too, but we need to adapt buildsystem and tools for it
20:36:56 <tmb> mo eta on the svn -> git conversion for now, it's still in planning stages
20:37:23 <ennael> I've seen coling speaking about small work on it
20:39:43 <tmb> then we'll see if we can use rabbit for QA tests too, but that is currently in brainstorming stages ...
20:40:04 <grenoya> tmb: any news on the git migration of web and other parts that were not yet migrated?
20:40:10 <ennael> dams told me he is speaking with Dell commercial guy
20:40:32 <ennael> seems they have changed the way they manage such things and it may be hard to get same price as before
20:40:37 <tmb> when we get sucuk up and running we'll look into opening it up for packagers too
20:40:51 <ennael> nice
20:42:14 <tmb> grenoya, nope, sorry. I think we need info from coling on that...
20:42:28 <grenoya> ok :)
20:42:51 <tmb> I dont know if he have tried the conversion yet or not...
20:43:05 <tmb> that's all that I can think of for now
20:43:20 <ennael> ok thanks tmb
20:43:28 <ennael> do we have docteam people around?
20:43:57 <MrsB> have the new leaders been added to council list?
20:44:08 <ennael> good question...
20:44:20 <tmb> I think I did
20:44:56 <ennael> we can ask them on the ML
20:45:12 <ennael> ok packagers then
20:45:15 <tmb> well, I can re-check on identity
20:45:21 <ennael> #topic packagers team
20:45:41 <ennael> so meetings are just stopped for a time now... well since specifications
20:45:57 <ennael> malo is still hardly available so I guess I will restart it on my own
20:46:30 <ennael> we still have a pb having people around for these meetings. It seems ML is working much better
20:47:30 <ennael> so what need to be done quite quickly : a blog post about specifications and what is going on on this team
20:47:37 <ennael> and also about release process
20:48:29 <MrsB> what's happening with the 'tools' subteam
20:48:56 <ennael> for now not that much unfortunately. I guess it needs some kicks around to start again
20:49:21 <ennael> I plan to do it in the 2 coming weeks having a "real" discussions with people implied
20:50:06 <MrsB> It's useful for things other than drak* too, like isodumper and mageiawelcome etc
20:50:32 <ennael> indeed we may start with that one, it should be easier
20:50:37 <ennael> good idea
20:50:43 <MrsB> a home for devs and people wanting something do programming
20:50:53 <MrsB> to do with*
20:50:58 <ennael> a home ?
20:51:36 <MrsB> We've seen in the past people asking what they can do programming wise, a team for them to drop into
20:51:54 <ennael> ok got it
20:52:06 <MrsB> perl/python/c people
20:53:26 <ennael> yep
20:53:42 <ennael> other than that we have 4.1 isos in progress also
20:53:59 <ennael> would be nice not to wait too long to avoid updating and rebuilding isos again
20:54:49 <sebsebseb> oh that is still going on
20:56:10 <MrsB> If we can get the bugfixes cleared we can get on with that then
20:56:28 <wilcal> At least down to a reasonable level
20:57:25 <wilcal> FWIW I must press on at 21:00 UTC
20:57:51 <ennael> ok that's all for now for packagers
20:57:53 <MrsB> Ok Bill, thanks for being here :)
20:58:14 <ennael> any other team around?
21:00:04 <ennael> ok then
21:00:13 <ennael> thanks all for being around tonight
21:00:18 <wilcal> cheers till next time
21:00:28 <ennael> and let keep on the good work
21:00:37 <MrsB> thanks ennael
21:00:39 <ennael> see you for next meeting
21:00:43 <ennael> #endmeeting