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20:37:47 <gelb5> The rest of my team are kn a ghost tour, but i hurt my leg...
20:38:00 <ennael> hi all thanks for being there tonight
20:38:34 <marja> ennael: thx for not running away from us :-)
20:38:36 <ennael> #topic Mageia 4 release
20:39:01 <sebsebseb> hi
20:39:23 <trishf42> query, what is actual release timing? So I know when to send press notices out
20:40:48 <ennael> we are going to speak about it :)
20:42:22 * trishf42 subsides
20:42:39 <ennael> so
20:43:03 <ennael> what we do tonight: quick review of pending critical bugs
20:43:20 <ennael> and we decide if we still release for FOSDEM
20:43:44 <sebsebseb> ok
20:44:38 <MrsB> The main ones at the moment are applications which zombify I think. Most of the others are more minor, shorewall is on the way to being fixed now.
20:44:51 <ennael> yep to be checked with last isos
20:45:00 <ennael> at least current one + updates fixes the pb
20:45:10 <dvg_i> yes
20:45:57 <ennael> cups should be fixed also
20:46:04 <ennael> still a pb with packaging to be fixed
20:46:09 <ennael> but it's on the way
20:46:23 <MrsB> colin/blino have commited something to improve NM/drakx-net in gnome
20:46:30 <MrsB> that's a big plus
20:46:46 <ennael> yep saw it also
20:46:54 <ennael> what about upgrade?
20:47:11 <MrsB> i haven't managed to complete an upgrade with the latest isos yet, but due to outside issues.
20:47:21 <dvg_i> i sayupgrade looks prety good
20:47:26 <coling> ennael, nothing is in place to fix things... we could just drop the line from people's configs but that's a bit of a presumption....
20:47:39 <ennael> coling: about shorewall ?
20:47:54 <coling> ennael, sorry, no about the NM in gnome one
20:48:09 <coling> shorewall I think is fixed too tho
20:48:13 <ennael> ok
20:48:18 <coling> well enough to start without problems.
20:48:18 <ennael> just to be sure :)
20:48:36 <coling> The configuration could probably be better and may have bugs, but startup is at least clean.
20:48:48 <dvg_i> yes looks good
20:48:48 <ennael> ok
20:49:50 <ennael> if someone wants to shout it's now or never ?
20:50:02 * coling is reasonably happy overall.
20:50:27 <filip_> hi there
20:50:38 <coling> There will always be bugs, but we're not looking too bad in my eyes. But you guys test more generally than me so defer to you :)
20:50:39 <MrsB> I think if we can tackle the applications zombifying we'll be Ok
20:50:42 <marja> filip_: hi :-)
20:50:52 <dvg_i> could bug 950 be worked around byr emoving the boot from iso?
20:51:10 <marja> s/boot/boot from HD/ ?
20:51:16 <dvg_i> its not a big deal, but it looks bad
20:51:18 <ennael> it works for me here...
20:51:22 <dvg_i> eh yes
20:51:33 <dvg_i> not here, sorry
20:51:46 <ennael> other ?
20:51:59 * coling tests in his vm
20:52:20 <dvg_i> the pad shows one other where it works and one where it does not
20:52:53 <MrsB> i can't check atm, computer's in use
20:52:54 <dvg_i> i say it looks not cool, but you should decide imho
20:52:58 <coling> ennael, fails with the ISO I have, but lemme update.
20:56:29 <marja> it reboots here, instead of booting from HD (but this is 3rd round classical... is there newer?)
20:57:04 <dvg_i> no 3 is latest
20:57:47 <marja> dvg_i: and it was from USB, here.... maybe from DVD works?
20:58:01 <dvg_i> no here is from dvd
20:58:07 <marja> dvg_i: ouch
20:58:16 <dvg_i> which does not work
20:58:24 <dvg_i> for me
20:58:36 <marja> dvg_i: :-/
20:58:50 <MrsB> it used to be usb which didn't work
20:59:01 <ennael> this one has not been fixed
20:59:05 <ennael> was already in mageia 3
20:59:09 <dvg_i> true. but was changed ,ated
20:59:14 <dvg_i> later in comments
20:59:39 <dvg_i> m3 was working from dvd iirc
20:59:51 <MrsB> yes i thought so too
20:59:55 <ennael> dvg_i: what's the behaviour ?
21:00:04 <dvg_i> but anyway all i say it looks not cool, but go shead if its okaywith you
21:00:11 <dvg_i> ahead
21:00:29 <dvg_i> behaviour is needs hard reset
21:00:37 <ennael> frozen?
21:00:44 <ennael> what is on the screen?
21:00:57 <dvg_i> so nothing happens in fact
21:01:17 <dvg_i> freeze yes
21:01:19 <MrsB> that's what it was doing from usb previously in mga4
21:01:48 <dvg_i> i believe it says booting ... but it doesnt
21:02:11 <marja> MrsB: that might be better now, for me just now it rebooted instead of freezing (from USB)
21:02:24 <ennael> one sec please
21:02:40 <ennael> maintainer is near me :) he is sending comments on bugzilla
21:02:47 <marja> :-)
21:02:49 <tmb> well, I wouldn't call it release critical as the workaround is simple... just remove iso to boot fron hd :)  but maybe we should drop the menu option anyway at this point...
21:03:05 <ennael> if we cannot have proper result before tomorrow evening we will remove the option
21:03:08 <ennael> is that ok?
21:03:12 <dvg_i> yes aounds most elegant
21:03:14 <coling> Yeah, I don't think it really adds much value overall.
21:03:21 <dvg_i> sounds
21:03:24 <coling> (when working!)
21:03:30 <dvg_i> true
21:03:41 <malo> agree
21:04:05 <dvg_i> or comment it in the code till we het a fix later on
21:04:09 <ennael> sorry I'm lost :)
21:04:15 <MrsB> Remove is better than broken
21:04:21 <dvg_i> yup
21:04:26 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> if we cannot have proper result before tomorrow evening we will remove the option
21:04:29 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> is that ok?
21:04:35 <marja> yes it is
21:04:35 <coling> Yes
21:04:37 <dvg_i> yes
21:04:38 <MrsB> yes
21:04:43 <trishf42> yes
21:04:46 <ennael> ok phew :) sorry could not get it :)
21:04:56 <dvg_i> :)
21:04:58 <marja> :-)
21:04:58 <filip_> yes
21:05:04 <coling> but if there are more important things then we should concentrate on them rather than this.
21:05:05 <ennael> ok so it seems we are on the right way to release for FOSDEM
21:05:17 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> if we cannot have proper result before tomorrow evening we will remove the option
21:05:20 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> is that ok?
21:05:27 <ennael> oups sorry
21:05:34 <ennael> touchpad is getting crazy
21:05:44 <tmb> ennael is looping...
21:05:48 <marja> lol
21:05:49 <coling> That's not release critical ennael.
21:05:52 <ennael> so maybe wait for new cups before rebuilding isos ?
21:06:03 <malo> ennael looping is release critical
21:06:05 <ennael> any other package we should wait for?
21:06:09 * ennael cries :)
21:06:19 <MrsB> what worries me more is that we have kwrite, digikam, kdenlive, claws-mail, cheese & pidgin which zombify with 100% cpu
21:06:25 <coling> I don't think so...
21:06:35 <coling> (other pkgs I mean)
21:06:49 <coling> MrsB, I did try and reproduce those ones without success :(
21:06:55 <ennael> same thing here
21:07:00 <coling> Is it only on certain CPU/GPU?
21:07:01 <ennael> just installed and used pidgin
21:07:08 <MrsB> nvidia here
21:07:44 <tmb> current or 304 ?
21:07:49 <MrsB> current
21:07:51 <coling> I suspect it's all due to the upstream driver :(
21:08:24 <MrsB> could be, but it's 325 on the isos which is supposed to be a good one
21:08:33 <MrsB> 325.15 is it?
21:08:33 <tmb> yeah, and we downgraded to 325 wich reportedly works somewhat better than the -longterm
21:09:14 <tmb> but afaik nVidia has more fixes coming but no ETA yet
21:09:34 <marja> MrsB: is nouveau an option?
21:10:13 <coling> Yeah that's what I'm seeing from my googling.
21:10:58 <MrsB> I can test with nouveau, if it's just me then it'll be an errata item
21:11:11 <MrsB> alot of stuff not working though :\
21:11:20 <filip_> I have a strange bug (#5076): kernel upgrade on system with IDE & SATA create mixup in device.map file & co. so that system is not bootable w/o grub menu.lst fix. Luckily not a common system anymore.
21:11:52 <filip_> didn't manage to test with RC yet
21:13:39 <marja> MrsB: I'll try to make time tomorrow to test on an nVidia system
21:15:08 <ennael> ok so some tests that can be done on next set of isos?
21:16:41 <ennael> tmb: we need also to plan new mageia-release for mageia4
21:17:18 <ennael> (they are all sleeping or they are really ghosts)
21:17:55 <tmb> well, do we switch to release mode at this point ?
21:18:36 <ennael> we will to do it anyway. If we decide we are on the way for FOSDEM it should be done as soon as possible to avoid rebuilding isos at the very last time
21:18:54 <MrsB> release notes will need to be checked on the wiki first, they currently say RC on the latest isos
21:21:17 <tmb> ok, so I'll switch api 4 to point to distrib/4 (wich currenly is a symlink to cauldron) and we'll start re-spinning drakx and lsb to pick up release status
21:22:06 <ennael> ok
21:22:18 <ennael> I will check release notes just now
21:22:31 <tmb> then when I've confirmed tree is ok, we'll respin isos
21:22:36 <ennael> ok
21:22:54 <ennael> if somebody can give a hand to neoclust he has some troubles with cups building
21:23:31 <MrsB> tmb Luigi12 missed you earlier but left a message..
21:23:37 <MrsB> <Luigi12_work> if tmb comes back, if someone could direct his attention to bug 11498, the last two comments indicate an agreed upon solution, which we need tmb to enact
21:23:39 <MrsB> [19:54] <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11498 normal, release_blocker, mageia, NEW , iscsi-initiator-utils subpackages override open-iscsi subpackages, iscsi-initiator-utils-6.2.0.873-14.mga4.src.rpm
21:23:41 <[mbot> [ Bug 11498 iscsi-initiator-utils subpackages override open-iscsi subpackages ]
21:25:05 <tmb> MrsB: submitted
21:25:14 <MrsB> thanks
21:25:23 <ennael> ok anything else about isos?
21:25:54 <MrsB> only that we'll be glad to see the back of them :D
21:26:41 <ennael> I could not say it better :)
21:26:46 <ennael> ok
21:27:05 <ennael> about release can you have also a look on pads for announcement
21:27:06 <dvg_i> there were enough!
21:27:21 <ennael> proofread or maybe proposals for it
21:27:29 <ennael> trishf42: around ?
21:27:36 <trishf42> yep
21:27:49 <trishf42> do you need links?
21:28:02 <ennael> yes please I've just closed it :)
21:28:15 <ennael> also if you have any question, comment about release
21:28:16 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mageia4web has the current text from Leuhmanu's web page draft, ready for editing;
21:28:18 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
21:28:33 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mageia4pressrelease is ready for the press release text (that will be emailed out on release day);
21:28:34 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
21:28:48 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mageia4Blog is ready for the blog post text for the release.
21:28:50 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
21:29:15 <trishf42> Please look especially at the list of new features for Mga4, it's looking a lot like the list for M3!
21:29:30 <trishf42> Also we need links for the places we mention links in the text.
21:30:01 <trishf42> Once everyone's happy with these 3 texts, they can go for translation, then we just need to know when to publish
21:30:10 <MrsB> this is on the ibus-tracker, maybe one to fix before release - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10321
21:30:12 <[mbot> [ Bug 10321 ibus-setup crashes at startup ]
21:30:26 <trishf42> please don't forget to put your name in so we know who did what comments!
21:32:39 <marja> trishf42: i'll look after a good night's rest (you don't want me to look now)
21:32:48 * trishf42 is going back to my submission writing, ping me with questions
21:33:16 <Schultz> I havent updated features when I did the blog, didn't have time
21:33:24 <ennael> thanks trishf42
21:33:42 <trishf42> I'm still around, just doing other stuff as well
21:33:59 <ennael> anything else for mageia4 ?
21:34:37 <marja> no, but for Fosdem
21:34:43 <ennael> next topic :)
21:34:44 <Schultz> nope, its all good on my end so far
21:34:57 <ennael> ok next topic then
21:35:06 <ennael> #topic FOSDEM
21:35:15 <ennael> so next topic is about FOSDEM
21:35:49 <ennael> we will have our general assembly
21:36:01 <ennael> do we have one people / team for FOSDEM ?
21:36:23 <marja> no one for Forums, I think
21:36:32 <marja> no one for i18n
21:36:55 <marja> no one for QA
21:37:00 <MrsB> wilcal will be there from QA
21:37:08 <marja> MrsB: ah, yes, srry
21:37:10 <MrsB> and marja
21:37:25 <marja> MrsB: I was only thinking about the team leaders ;-)
21:37:41 <ennael> well can be non leader people
21:37:44 <marja> MrsB: then I could count for l19n, too
21:37:48 <marja> oops
21:37:48 <ennael> just to represent the team
21:37:51 <marja> l10n
21:37:58 <MrsB> I'm unable to at the moment
21:38:15 <ennael> the idea is to present a quick sum up about what happened in the team during this last year
21:38:35 <ennael> it will avoid people to have to listen to me for 1h :)
21:38:45 * marja wouldn't mind
21:38:51 <ennael> well not only :)
21:39:01 <ennael> it could be more participative and interesting
21:39:24 <filip_> marja: thx for representing l10n team
21:39:24 <ennael> so if marja and wilcal don't mind it would be nice
21:39:41 <MrsB> I'll brief wilcal, he may be willing
21:39:54 <marja> ennael: np .... filip_  will instruct me :-)
21:40:08 <marja> filip_: ;-)
21:40:12 <trishf42> can I just break in and say: the marketing stuff for FOSDEM should be delivered to AL13N's workplace tomorrow
21:40:20 <ennael> yes :)
21:40:28 <ennael> thanks for the worl trishf42
21:40:31 <ennael> work
21:40:42 <trishf42> ennael: you're welcome!
21:40:49 <ennael> Do we need table clothe? I have the black one
21:40:56 <trishf42> just got to make sure we pay up quick
21:41:12 <MrsB> wilcal did ask to pass on a reminder that we'll need power leads and extension cables
21:41:30 <trishf42> yes, you'll need to bring a table cloth - marja did you have one to bring?
21:41:49 <marja> trishf42: yes, but I can't transport it
21:42:09 <marja> trishf42: ennael is by car
21:42:25 <trishf42> OK, you guys work it out between you
21:42:26 <ennael> I will bring mine
21:42:58 <trishf42> bring also the banner stand, there will be one stand with new banner and a spare banner for our existing stand
21:43:12 <ennael> yep ok
21:43:21 <ennael> anything else for FOSDEM?
21:43:23 <trishf42> Plus make sure to bring sleeves for the CDs, you're getting 600 printed blank CDs on spindles
21:43:29 <trishf42> but no sleeves
21:43:47 <ennael> sleeves ?
21:44:00 <MrsB> plastic envelopes
21:44:00 <marja> plastic to put around the CD
21:44:04 <trishf42> covers, I dunno what you call them - yes!
21:44:05 <ennael> ah.
21:44:14 <ennael> I can buy some and bring them if needed
21:44:23 <trishf42> you'll need them.
21:44:36 <ennael> ok I'll do it tonight to get it on time
21:45:57 <ennael> anything else.
21:45:58 <ennael> ?
21:46:02 <marja> the dinner
21:46:14 <marja> last year someone proposed to just have pizza
21:46:46 <ennael> yep booking is in progress
21:46:54 <marja> OK :-)
21:46:57 <ennael> at least to get some beers with :)
21:47:00 <tmb> or/and lots of beer
21:47:01 <marja> nice
21:47:05 <ennael> :)
21:47:21 * ennael thinks tmb wants to forget this releas e:)
21:47:27 <marja> :=)
21:47:44 <ennael> ok anything else?
21:47:50 <tmb> forget what ?
21:47:59 <ennael> if you think about something important about FOSDEM, please mail council
21:48:06 <marja> yep
21:48:09 <ennael> tmb: what what ?
21:48:29 * tmb "forgot" :)
21:48:45 <ennael> :)
21:49:35 <marja> :-)
21:50:11 <ennael> ok before forgetting end of this meeting, anything else to add ?
21:50:24 <MrsB> good here thankyou
21:50:27 <marja> not here
21:50:41 <marja> that is, nothing here to add :-)
21:51:01 <filip_> not from me
21:51:43 <tmb> not for me
21:51:53 <ennael> ok let's test isos then :)
21:52:00 <MrsB> \o/
21:52:05 <ennael> thanks all an keep on the good work, we are nearly there :)
21:52:11 <marja> :-)
21:52:17 <ennael> #endmeeting