20:37:42 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:37:42 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Jan 27 20:37:42 2014 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:37:42 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:37:47 <gelb5> The rest of my team are kn a ghost tour, but i hurt my leg... 20:38:00 <ennael> hi all thanks for being there tonight 20:38:34 <marja> ennael: thx for not running away from us :-) 20:38:36 <ennael> #topic Mageia 4 release 20:39:01 <sebsebseb> hi 20:39:23 <trishf42> query, what is actual release timing? So I know when to send press notices out 20:40:48 <ennael> we are going to speak about it :) 20:42:22 * trishf42 subsides 20:42:39 <ennael> so 20:43:03 <ennael> what we do tonight: quick review of pending critical bugs 20:43:20 <ennael> and we decide if we still release for FOSDEM 20:43:44 <sebsebseb> ok 20:44:38 <MrsB> The main ones at the moment are applications which zombify I think. Most of the others are more minor, shorewall is on the way to being fixed now. 20:44:51 <ennael> yep to be checked with last isos 20:45:00 <ennael> at least current one + updates fixes the pb 20:45:10 <dvg_i> yes 20:45:57 <ennael> cups should be fixed also 20:46:04 <ennael> still a pb with packaging to be fixed 20:46:09 <ennael> but it's on the way 20:46:23 <MrsB> colin/blino have commited something to improve NM/drakx-net in gnome 20:46:30 <MrsB> that's a big plus 20:46:46 <ennael> yep saw it also 20:46:54 <ennael> what about upgrade? 20:47:11 <MrsB> i haven't managed to complete an upgrade with the latest isos yet, but due to outside issues. 20:47:21 <dvg_i> i sayupgrade looks prety good 20:47:26 <coling> ennael, nothing is in place to fix things... we could just drop the line from people's configs but that's a bit of a presumption.... 20:47:39 <ennael> coling: about shorewall ? 20:47:54 <coling> ennael, sorry, no about the NM in gnome one 20:48:09 <coling> shorewall I think is fixed too tho 20:48:13 <ennael> ok 20:48:18 <coling> well enough to start without problems. 20:48:18 <ennael> just to be sure :) 20:48:36 <coling> The configuration could probably be better and may have bugs, but startup is at least clean. 20:48:48 <dvg_i> yes looks good 20:48:48 <ennael> ok 20:49:50 <ennael> if someone wants to shout it's now or never ? 20:50:02 * coling is reasonably happy overall. 20:50:27 <filip_> hi there 20:50:38 <coling> There will always be bugs, but we're not looking too bad in my eyes. But you guys test more generally than me so defer to you :) 20:50:39 <MrsB> I think if we can tackle the applications zombifying we'll be Ok 20:50:42 <marja> filip_: hi :-) 20:50:52 <dvg_i> could bug 950 be worked around byr emoving the boot from iso? 20:51:10 <marja> s/boot/boot from HD/ ? 20:51:16 <dvg_i> its not a big deal, but it looks bad 20:51:18 <ennael> it works for me here... 20:51:22 <dvg_i> eh yes 20:51:33 <dvg_i> not here, sorry 20:51:46 <ennael> other ? 20:51:59 * coling tests in his vm 20:52:20 <dvg_i> the pad shows one other where it works and one where it does not 20:52:53 <MrsB> i can't check atm, computer's in use 20:52:54 <dvg_i> i say it looks not cool, but you should decide imho 20:52:58 <coling> ennael, fails with the ISO I have, but lemme update. 20:56:29 <marja> it reboots here, instead of booting from HD (but this is 3rd round classical... is there newer?) 20:57:04 <dvg_i> no 3 is latest 20:57:47 <marja> dvg_i: and it was from USB, here.... maybe from DVD works? 20:58:01 <dvg_i> no here is from dvd 20:58:07 <marja> dvg_i: ouch 20:58:16 <dvg_i> which does not work 20:58:24 <dvg_i> for me 20:58:36 <marja> dvg_i: :-/ 20:58:50 <MrsB> it used to be usb which didn't work 20:59:01 <ennael> this one has not been fixed 20:59:05 <ennael> was already in mageia 3 20:59:09 <dvg_i> true. but was changed ,ated 20:59:14 <dvg_i> later in comments 20:59:39 <dvg_i> m3 was working from dvd iirc 20:59:51 <MrsB> yes i thought so too 20:59:55 <ennael> dvg_i: what's the behaviour ? 21:00:04 <dvg_i> but anyway all i say it looks not cool, but go shead if its okaywith you 21:00:11 <dvg_i> ahead 21:00:29 <dvg_i> behaviour is needs hard reset 21:00:37 <ennael> frozen? 21:00:44 <ennael> what is on the screen? 21:00:57 <dvg_i> so nothing happens in fact 21:01:17 <dvg_i> freeze yes 21:01:19 <MrsB> that's what it was doing from usb previously in mga4 21:01:48 <dvg_i> i believe it says booting ... but it doesnt 21:02:11 <marja> MrsB: that might be better now, for me just now it rebooted instead of freezing (from USB) 21:02:24 <ennael> one sec please 21:02:40 <ennael> maintainer is near me :) he is sending comments on bugzilla 21:02:47 <marja> :-) 21:02:49 <tmb> well, I wouldn't call it release critical as the workaround is simple... just remove iso to boot fron hd :) but maybe we should drop the menu option anyway at this point... 21:03:05 <ennael> if we cannot have proper result before tomorrow evening we will remove the option 21:03:08 <ennael> is that ok? 21:03:12 <dvg_i> yes aounds most elegant 21:03:14 <coling> Yeah, I don't think it really adds much value overall. 21:03:21 <dvg_i> sounds 21:03:24 <coling> (when working!) 21:03:30 <dvg_i> true 21:03:41 <malo> agree 21:04:05 <dvg_i> or comment it in the code till we het a fix later on 21:04:09 <ennael> sorry I'm lost :) 21:04:15 <MrsB> Remove is better than broken 21:04:21 <dvg_i> yup 21:04:26 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> if we cannot have proper result before tomorrow evening we will remove the option 21:04:29 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> is that ok? 21:04:35 <marja> yes it is 21:04:35 <coling> Yes 21:04:37 <dvg_i> yes 21:04:38 <MrsB> yes 21:04:43 <trishf42> yes 21:04:46 <ennael> ok phew :) sorry could not get it :) 21:04:56 <dvg_i> :) 21:04:58 <marja> :-) 21:04:58 <filip_> yes 21:05:04 <coling> but if there are more important things then we should concentrate on them rather than this. 21:05:05 <ennael> ok so it seems we are on the right way to release for FOSDEM 21:05:17 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> if we cannot have proper result before tomorrow evening we will remove the option 21:05:20 <ennael> 22:03 < ennael> is that ok? 21:05:27 <ennael> oups sorry 21:05:34 <ennael> touchpad is getting crazy 21:05:44 <tmb> ennael is looping... 21:05:48 <marja> lol 21:05:49 <coling> That's not release critical ennael. 21:05:52 <ennael> so maybe wait for new cups before rebuilding isos ? 21:06:03 <malo> ennael looping is release critical 21:06:05 <ennael> any other package we should wait for? 21:06:09 * ennael cries :) 21:06:19 <MrsB> what worries me more is that we have kwrite, digikam, kdenlive, claws-mail, cheese & pidgin which zombify with 100% cpu 21:06:25 <coling> I don't think so... 21:06:35 <coling> (other pkgs I mean) 21:06:49 <coling> MrsB, I did try and reproduce those ones without success :( 21:06:55 <ennael> same thing here 21:07:00 <coling> Is it only on certain CPU/GPU? 21:07:01 <ennael> just installed and used pidgin 21:07:08 <MrsB> nvidia here 21:07:44 <tmb> current or 304 ? 21:07:49 <MrsB> current 21:07:51 <coling> I suspect it's all due to the upstream driver :( 21:08:24 <MrsB> could be, but it's 325 on the isos which is supposed to be a good one 21:08:33 <MrsB> 325.15 is it? 21:08:33 <tmb> yeah, and we downgraded to 325 wich reportedly works somewhat better than the -longterm 21:09:14 <tmb> but afaik nVidia has more fixes coming but no ETA yet 21:09:34 <marja> MrsB: is nouveau an option? 21:10:13 <coling> Yeah that's what I'm seeing from my googling. 21:10:58 <MrsB> I can test with nouveau, if it's just me then it'll be an errata item 21:11:11 <MrsB> alot of stuff not working though :\ 21:11:20 <filip_> I have a strange bug (#5076): kernel upgrade on system with IDE & SATA create mixup in device.map file & co. so that system is not bootable w/o grub menu.lst fix. Luckily not a common system anymore. 21:11:52 <filip_> didn't manage to test with RC yet 21:13:39 <marja> MrsB: I'll try to make time tomorrow to test on an nVidia system 21:15:08 <ennael> ok so some tests that can be done on next set of isos? 21:16:41 <ennael> tmb: we need also to plan new mageia-release for mageia4 21:17:18 <ennael> (they are all sleeping or they are really ghosts) 21:17:55 <tmb> well, do we switch to release mode at this point ? 21:18:36 <ennael> we will to do it anyway. If we decide we are on the way for FOSDEM it should be done as soon as possible to avoid rebuilding isos at the very last time 21:18:54 <MrsB> release notes will need to be checked on the wiki first, they currently say RC on the latest isos 21:21:17 <tmb> ok, so I'll switch api 4 to point to distrib/4 (wich currenly is a symlink to cauldron) and we'll start re-spinning drakx and lsb to pick up release status 21:22:06 <ennael> ok 21:22:18 <ennael> I will check release notes just now 21:22:31 <tmb> then when I've confirmed tree is ok, we'll respin isos 21:22:36 <ennael> ok 21:22:54 <ennael> if somebody can give a hand to neoclust he has some troubles with cups building 21:23:31 <MrsB> tmb Luigi12 missed you earlier but left a message.. 21:23:37 <MrsB> <Luigi12_work> if tmb comes back, if someone could direct his attention to bug 11498, the last two comments indicate an agreed upon solution, which we need tmb to enact 21:23:39 <MrsB> [19:54] <[mbot> Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11498 normal, release_blocker, mageia, NEW , iscsi-initiator-utils subpackages override open-iscsi subpackages, iscsi-initiator-utils-6.2.0.873-14.mga4.src.rpm 21:23:41 <[mbot> [ Bug 11498 iscsi-initiator-utils subpackages override open-iscsi subpackages ] 21:25:05 <tmb> MrsB: submitted 21:25:14 <MrsB> thanks 21:25:23 <ennael> ok anything else about isos? 21:25:54 <MrsB> only that we'll be glad to see the back of them :D 21:26:41 <ennael> I could not say it better :) 21:26:46 <ennael> ok 21:27:05 <ennael> about release can you have also a look on pads for announcement 21:27:06 <dvg_i> there were enough! 21:27:21 <ennael> proofread or maybe proposals for it 21:27:29 <ennael> trishf42: around ? 21:27:36 <trishf42> yep 21:27:49 <trishf42> do you need links? 21:28:02 <ennael> yes please I've just closed it :) 21:28:15 <ennael> also if you have any question, comment about release 21:28:16 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mageia4web has the current text from Leuhmanu's web page draft, ready for editing; 21:28:18 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 21:28:33 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mageia4pressrelease is ready for the press release text (that will be emailed out on release day); 21:28:34 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 21:28:48 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mageia4Blog is ready for the blog post text for the release. 21:28:50 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ] 21:29:15 <trishf42> Please look especially at the list of new features for Mga4, it's looking a lot like the list for M3! 21:29:30 <trishf42> Also we need links for the places we mention links in the text. 21:30:01 <trishf42> Once everyone's happy with these 3 texts, they can go for translation, then we just need to know when to publish 21:30:10 <MrsB> this is on the ibus-tracker, maybe one to fix before release - https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10321 21:30:12 <[mbot> [ Bug 10321 ibus-setup crashes at startup ] 21:30:26 <trishf42> please don't forget to put your name in so we know who did what comments! 21:32:39 <marja> trishf42: i'll look after a good night's rest (you don't want me to look now) 21:32:48 * trishf42 is going back to my submission writing, ping me with questions 21:33:16 <Schultz> I havent updated features when I did the blog, didn't have time 21:33:24 <ennael> thanks trishf42 21:33:42 <trishf42> I'm still around, just doing other stuff as well 21:33:59 <ennael> anything else for mageia4 ? 21:34:37 <marja> no, but for Fosdem 21:34:43 <ennael> next topic :) 21:34:44 <Schultz> nope, its all good on my end so far 21:34:57 <ennael> ok next topic then 21:35:06 <ennael> #topic FOSDEM 21:35:15 <ennael> so next topic is about FOSDEM 21:35:49 <ennael> we will have our general assembly 21:36:01 <ennael> do we have one people / team for FOSDEM ? 21:36:23 <marja> no one for Forums, I think 21:36:32 <marja> no one for i18n 21:36:55 <marja> no one for QA 21:37:00 <MrsB> wilcal will be there from QA 21:37:08 <marja> MrsB: ah, yes, srry 21:37:10 <MrsB> and marja 21:37:25 <marja> MrsB: I was only thinking about the team leaders ;-) 21:37:41 <ennael> well can be non leader people 21:37:44 <marja> MrsB: then I could count for l19n, too 21:37:48 <marja> oops 21:37:48 <ennael> just to represent the team 21:37:51 <marja> l10n 21:37:58 <MrsB> I'm unable to at the moment 21:38:15 <ennael> the idea is to present a quick sum up about what happened in the team during this last year 21:38:35 <ennael> it will avoid people to have to listen to me for 1h :) 21:38:45 * marja wouldn't mind 21:38:51 <ennael> well not only :) 21:39:01 <ennael> it could be more participative and interesting 21:39:24 <filip_> marja: thx for representing l10n team 21:39:24 <ennael> so if marja and wilcal don't mind it would be nice 21:39:41 <MrsB> I'll brief wilcal, he may be willing 21:39:54 <marja> ennael: np .... filip_ will instruct me :-) 21:40:08 <marja> filip_: ;-) 21:40:12 <trishf42> can I just break in and say: the marketing stuff for FOSDEM should be delivered to AL13N's workplace tomorrow 21:40:20 <ennael> yes :) 21:40:28 <ennael> thanks for the worl trishf42 21:40:31 <ennael> work 21:40:42 <trishf42> ennael: you're welcome! 21:40:49 <ennael> Do we need table clothe? I have the black one 21:40:56 <trishf42> just got to make sure we pay up quick 21:41:12 <MrsB> wilcal did ask to pass on a reminder that we'll need power leads and extension cables 21:41:30 <trishf42> yes, you'll need to bring a table cloth - marja did you have one to bring? 21:41:49 <marja> trishf42: yes, but I can't transport it 21:42:09 <marja> trishf42: ennael is by car 21:42:25 <trishf42> OK, you guys work it out between you 21:42:26 <ennael> I will bring mine 21:42:58 <trishf42> bring also the banner stand, there will be one stand with new banner and a spare banner for our existing stand 21:43:12 <ennael> yep ok 21:43:21 <ennael> anything else for FOSDEM? 21:43:23 <trishf42> Plus make sure to bring sleeves for the CDs, you're getting 600 printed blank CDs on spindles 21:43:29 <trishf42> but no sleeves 21:43:47 <ennael> sleeves ? 21:44:00 <MrsB> plastic envelopes 21:44:00 <marja> plastic to put around the CD 21:44:04 <trishf42> covers, I dunno what you call them - yes! 21:44:05 <ennael> ah. 21:44:14 <ennael> I can buy some and bring them if needed 21:44:23 <trishf42> you'll need them. 21:44:36 <ennael> ok I'll do it tonight to get it on time 21:45:57 <ennael> anything else. 21:45:58 <ennael> ? 21:46:02 <marja> the dinner 21:46:14 <marja> last year someone proposed to just have pizza 21:46:46 <ennael> yep booking is in progress 21:46:54 <marja> OK :-) 21:46:57 <ennael> at least to get some beers with :) 21:47:00 <tmb> or/and lots of beer 21:47:01 <marja> nice 21:47:05 <ennael> :) 21:47:21 * ennael thinks tmb wants to forget this releas e:) 21:47:27 <marja> :=) 21:47:44 <ennael> ok anything else? 21:47:50 <tmb> forget what ? 21:47:59 <ennael> if you think about something important about FOSDEM, please mail council 21:48:06 <marja> yep 21:48:09 <ennael> tmb: what what ? 21:48:29 * tmb "forgot" :) 21:48:45 <ennael> :) 21:49:35 <marja> :-) 21:50:11 <ennael> ok before forgetting end of this meeting, anything else to add ? 21:50:24 <MrsB> good here thankyou 21:50:27 <marja> not here 21:50:41 <marja> that is, nothing here to add :-) 21:51:01 <filip_> not from me 21:51:43 <tmb> not for me 21:51:53 <ennael> ok let's test isos then :) 21:52:00 <MrsB> \o/ 21:52:05 <ennael> thanks all an keep on the good work, we are nearly there :) 21:52:11 <marja> :-) 21:52:17 <ennael> #endmeeting