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20:37:12 <ennael> hi all thanks for attending
20:37:15 <sebsebseb> hi
20:37:59 <tmb> hi
20:38:38 <marja> leuhmanu: end-of-nap time ;-)
20:38:56 <ennael> so to sum up last events
20:39:11 <ennael> RC is now released (yepaaah)
20:39:46 <ennael> thanks all for the effort
20:40:10 <filip_> hi there
20:40:17 <ennael> so it was decided to keep the date for the final release during FOSDEM
20:40:21 <marja> ennael: thx for keeping us motivated
20:40:34 <marja> filip_: hi
20:40:38 <ennael> here are the current actions for it
20:41:12 <ennael> - a mail has been sent on -dev for release critical bugs and updates
20:41:43 <ennael> it seems people are moving so let's keep fingers crossed
20:42:02 <ennael> - isos will be rebuilt every 2 or 3 days including very last fixes
20:42:35 <Schultz> evening all
20:42:41 <MrsB> morning
20:42:47 <sebsebseb> evening
20:42:48 <ennael> I'm working on my side to kick reporters and devs on pending release ciritical bugs
20:43:24 <ennael> any feedbacks on your side ?
20:43:27 <ennael> isos, QA ?
20:43:42 <MrsB> I've a question from a new tester..
20:43:46 <MrsB> I was wondering if that was true, just couldn't find that in a doc. the wiki for it says "displayed upon first users boot (no matter which Desktop Environment they use)" but doesn't mention live media
20:43:57 <MrsB> oops talking about MageiaWelcome
20:44:33 <MrsB> hmm not very clear from copy/paste. He was sking if MageiaWelcome should run in live mode on live isos
20:44:43 <MrsB> at the moment it doesn't
20:44:51 <sebsebseb> ah right yeah,  I noticed this to, it's not there in the live sessoin
20:44:52 <ennael> tmb: any feedback on this?
20:45:05 <sebsebseb> I am doing a Virtualbox install of the GNOME RC at the moment
20:45:19 <sebsebseb> Live CD
20:46:38 <sebsebseb> ISO
20:46:39 <tmb> well, I have not even thought about it before, so no ideas for now
20:46:49 <ennael> ok
20:46:55 <ennael> MrsB: any bug report on this ?
20:47:06 <sebsebseb> ok well I think it should be there by default in the live sessions as well :)
20:47:18 <MrsB> no, i think everybody just assumed it wasn't meant to. Can ask him to create one though
20:47:24 <ennael> please
20:48:45 <MrsB> it could be a good idea, live mode might be somebody testing out mageia and mageiawelcome is a good introduction
20:48:46 <ennael> MrsB: how do you organize tests on isos ?
20:48:58 <sebsebseb> MrsB: indeed agreed
20:49:44 <MrsB> Well it's a huge task. Everybody tests the isos they can do with the amount of time they have available, but we keep track of what has been tested on the pad
20:50:15 <ennael> ok
20:50:20 <ennael> do we have enough testers ?
20:50:55 <MrsB> we have a long list of volunteers but very few who actually test. Hopefully the final will tempt more people to get involved
20:51:20 <ennael> shall we mail specifically about this or is your list long enough .?
20:52:05 <MrsB> The list is plenty long enough, if everybody tested. Only about 25% do though. More eyes can only be a good thing.
20:52:28 <ennael> ok
20:53:12 <MrsB> It's basic enough that anybody can do it really. Make sure everything works as it should do.
20:53:43 <ennael> tmb: can you sum up the thing you are working on for live isos?
20:57:01 <marja> MrsB: there is no more risk that updates will only be tested to see whether they install, and that's it?
20:58:04 <tmb> well, one is gdm not triggering creation fo "special folders" (also affects clasic installs), and then there is the fact that selecting language during boot does not propagate to to the live desktop, then I have some boot to  EFI stuff I planned to merge but got sidetracked by the nonbooting  / systemd hang issue
20:58:40 <MrsB> Well, I was hoping to get the team testing them this week but iso testing for final has started earlier than I thought but I'll do my best marja. We simply can't afford to start mga4 with a long list of updates waiting for mga3 though.
20:59:03 <tmb> there are probably some other stuff too pending
20:59:17 <ennael> ok
20:59:33 <marja> MrsB: so more testers are needed
20:59:35 <sebsebseb> that's good though that ISO testing for final is straigt after the RC though, if going to make the 1st for final,  but yeah upates get put behind when tat
20:59:41 <ennael> on classical isos, I will see with tv for last pending bugs and the one about syslinux
21:00:42 <MrsB> always needed for updates marja. For the most part it's been myself and Dave since updates began. People tend to come and go. It's too technical or too tedious mostly I think.
21:00:53 <marja> tmb: ennael: thx
21:01:02 <Schultz> there is a translation/misinformation problem where we are referencing YaST2 in the bootloader help
21:01:11 <Schultz> do we have time to fix this?
21:02:36 <ennael> Schultz: can you please open a bug?
21:02:56 <ennael> or give the bug number if already opened
21:03:16 <Schultz> been open for ages: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1823
21:03:18 <[mbot> [ Bug 1823 Installer boot help messages refer to "Yast2", ]
21:03:55 <ennael> marja: can you please have a look on that one ?
21:04:07 <ennael> with the i18n team
21:05:03 <Schultz> we need to swap the yast for drakconf, but also check that drakconf can satisfy the functionality here, as it refers to network control, the part about setting up the hardware is not a problem
21:05:25 <filip_> ennael: it's technical text. i18n can only translate it.
21:05:40 <ennael> well we should not plan big changes at this stage of the release
21:06:01 <ennael> ok so we can have a look on the text then ask i18n
21:06:05 <ennael> is that ok ?
21:06:30 <Schultz> yes, that would be best
21:06:48 <ennael> ok
21:07:16 <sebsebseb> Woah that's a old bug report!
21:07:45 <ennael> ok on artwork side all is now integrated in distribution
21:08:05 <ennael> what about atelier ?
21:08:16 <ennael> web site, announcement
21:08:19 <marja> ennael: I'm not sure I can help with that bug (this help isn't written by docteam)
21:09:29 <Schultz> yes, we still have bug 763 bug that wont be fixed before mga4, and it has been present since mga1 so its ok.
21:09:49 <marja> ennael: and going by Schultz's comment, I don't understand enough of it, either :-/
21:10:21 <Schultz> Artwork wise, the only outstaning thing is ksplash, but the version we have is good enough, we might bring one that will offer a more consistant look if it works
21:10:22 <filip_> about web site: grenoya is preparing translated entry page for documentation. I hope that leuhmanu will prepare a mga release page
21:10:28 <ennael> ok but that point is solved marja
21:10:41 <marja> ennael: oops, missed that.... thx
21:10:45 <ennael> :)
21:11:02 <ennael> filip_: I will mail -dev tonight to ask people to add information on it
21:11:16 <ennael> for release notes
21:11:40 <Schultz> marja: the only technical part of it is knowing whither drak can handle network control, otherwise we just drop that text
21:11:42 <filip_> ennael: please cc atelier too and doc maybe
21:12:57 <ennael> yep sure
21:13:19 <ennael> ok I will mail atelier for amm the work on announcement
21:13:51 <leuhmanu> My current page http://home.hiebel.eu/en/4 suggestion welcom
21:13:53 <[mbot> [ Mageia 4 ]
21:14:06 <marja> Schultz: you mean like drakconnect or draknetcenter?
21:14:33 <ennael> leuhmanu: nice :)
21:14:45 <leuhmanu> (about content too)
21:15:49 <marja> leuhmanu: nice, you've got a what's new section... we need to fill a what's new page in the wiki, IINM
21:16:18 <Schultz> marja: for reference, the english text in question: http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/design/bootloader-theme/tree/help-install/en/main::opt::network.html http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/design/bootloader-theme/tree/help-install/en/main::opt::o_vnc.html
21:16:19 <[mbot> [ bootloader-theme - Mageia Bootloader Theme ]
21:16:36 <MrsB> i'll defrenglish it and email you tmrw leuhmanu if it helps
21:16:43 <marja> leuhmanu: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_4_What%27s_New
21:17:20 <MrsB> yes that's linked from mageiawelcome marja
21:17:22 <leuhmanu> MrsB: oki, will mail atelier too latter
21:17:24 <marja> leuhmanu: is it possible to redirect that wiki page to the "What's new" section of your page?
21:17:49 <leuhmanu> autoredirct to idea
21:17:50 <leuhmanu> +s
21:17:57 <leuhmanu> s/to/no
21:18:21 <marja> MrsB: I know, I created that page when there were complaints about it being missing
21:19:14 <tmb> Schultz: I'd simply do s/YaST2/DrakX/ on that page for now
21:19:14 <marja> I'm too tired to c&p now (and naming screenshots)
21:19:33 <leuhmanu> marja: it's certainly not complete, I readed only releases-notes
21:19:40 <sebsebseb> leuhmanu: Is that meant to be a draft site for the Mageia site for Mageia 4?
21:19:48 <Schultz> tmb: and for translation?
21:19:59 <leuhmanu> sebsebseb: it's redirect to my local site ie my laptop
21:20:20 <marja> leuhmanu: ah, and I was told not to redirect to the release notes, because the what's new should become less technical :-/
21:20:32 <leuhmanu> marja: indeed
21:21:04 <sebsebseb> ok, but same designg as the offical site, hence my question
21:21:09 <tmb> Schultz: I think we have "DrakX" translated already somewhere, but you could just do the change and mail translation list about it
21:21:10 <leuhmanu> I don't think equivalent to http://home.hiebel.eu/en/for-pc/ is needed
21:21:11 <[mbot> [ Mageia 3, for your PC ]
21:21:18 <filip_> Schultz: AFAIK in general we don't translate tool names
21:22:33 <marja> Schultz: yes, I don't think for our docteam help pages, anyone ever translated "DrakX"
21:22:51 <tmb> Schultz: For most languages it can be done the same s/YaST2/DrakX/ as it does not change since  its an application name
21:23:24 <Schultz> ok, so it will be ok to just swap the text in all the files, ill get a script of some sort together
21:23:34 <marja> Schultz: thx!
21:23:58 <tmb> So I guess check the translation catalog for it and fuzzy those languages you cant change yourself
21:24:59 <Schultz> ok, i might ask for some help on this later on
21:26:44 <filip_> tmb: this text is not in gettext but plain html
21:27:33 <marja> filip_: it is possible that it is generated from somewhere else
21:28:02 <filip_> marja: I don't think soo
21:28:09 <Schultz> there are .pot files hiding somewhere, and .po
21:28:29 <marja> Schultz: ah, if they're there, then you're in the right place
21:29:04 <Schultz> http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/design/bootloader-theme/tree/po
21:29:05 <[mbot> [ bootloader-theme - Mageia Bootloader Theme ]
21:29:21 <filip_> Schultz: you refered to gfxboot help which is in html.
21:30:26 <Schultz> yep, that is the end file just to show the example, I have no idea how it is generated
21:32:22 <filip_> AFAIK gfxboot those html files are packaged into mesage file used by grub. those html help files are not generated
21:33:15 <Schultz> ok, so I will have to edit all of them?
21:34:44 <tmb> well, sed or a perl line will switch it fast
21:35:29 <Schultz> that was my tought too
21:35:40 <Schultz> not that I understand yast or perl :)
21:35:49 <Schultz> by yst I mean sed
21:37:04 <ennael> ok anything else for that meeting ?
21:37:24 <tmb> then post to  translation list about needing to change the lines for those that you couldnt (with a link to  git tree so people can check)
21:37:37 <ennael> can we plan by mail at least a review of the release critical bugs byt the end of this week ?
21:38:35 <tmb> yes, we need to if we plan to relase at fosdem
21:38:50 <ennael> yep
21:38:54 <MrsB> mabe do a regular one every couple of days
21:39:04 <ennael> ok let see that on friday for a complete one
21:39:22 <MrsB> mayeb even daily at this point
21:39:32 <ennael> too long I guess
21:39:46 <ennael> maybe mail about bugs that do not have feedbacks every days
21:40:04 <ennael> so that we can push it or find somebody else to keep an eye on it
21:40:19 <MrsB> yeah, if you need anything from qa team please poke me
21:40:29 <ennael> ok
21:40:34 <ennael> tmb: agree ?
21:40:56 <tmb> yep
21:41:31 <ennael> ok
21:41:37 <ennael> anything else to add ?
21:42:08 <Schultz> no nothing from me
21:42:21 <tmb> not from me
21:42:45 <marja> nor from me
21:43:02 <MrsB> all good thankyou
21:43:08 <sebsebseb> nor from me
21:44:26 <ennael> great thanks for attending :)
21:44:37 <ennael> and let's keep in touch regularly
21:44:45 <ennael> #endmeeting