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19:34:35 <DavidWHodgins> Here.
19:34:40 <MrsB> Hi guys
19:34:46 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
19:34:52 <marja> hi MrsB
19:34:59 <MrsB> #info ennael is unavailable today to host
19:35:02 <marja> and hi DavidWHodgins
19:35:19 <MrsB> Who is here? Let's have a count and see if it's worth continuing
19:35:33 <DavidWHodgins> Looks like it's just the three of us.
19:35:55 <marja> leuhmanu: philippem doktor5000 boklm ?
19:36:02 <marja> maat|lin: ??
19:36:22 <MrsB> If it's just us, are there any pressing issues?
19:36:32 <marja> DavidWHodgins: well, three is a crowd, isn't it ;-)
19:36:41 <maat|lin> marja: yep
19:36:44 <MrsB> oooh, i should leave you two alone :)
19:36:44 <maat|lin> hi all
19:36:46 <DavidWHodgins> No issues that I'm aware of.
19:36:51 <marja> maat|lin: welcome in the meeting
19:36:54 <maat|lin> thks
19:36:55 <MrsB> hi maat|lin
19:37:01 <marja> maat|lin: do you have any pressing issues?
19:38:07 <marja> maat|lin: apart from severe lack of time :-/
19:40:15 <MrsB> #info Just a reminder. Alpha 3 is due for release on 2nd of October, first builds will be started about 5-7 days prior to that, so 25th/27th September I expect.
19:40:29 <maat|lin> well
19:40:32 <maat|lin> yep
19:40:57 <maat|lin> i think a virtual machine clone of production forums
19:41:23 <maat|lin> would be a great thing to resolve proxy and spamming issue
19:41:41 <marja> maat|lin: is there still a bug report opened for that (if ever there was one)?
19:41:44 <MrsB> boklm are you around?
19:42:00 <maat|lin> i cant reproduce a context  where i'm connecting to a forum behind a reverse proxy
19:42:11 <maat|lin> and where i can make tests
19:42:20 <maat|lin> hack the code
19:42:27 <maat|lin> and so on
19:42:39 <MrsB> it was talked about before wasn't it
19:42:50 <maat|lin> even if i can have one only a few weeks/month
19:42:57 <marja> maat|lin: is this also about that bug that was re-assigned to you?
19:42:57 <maat|lin> to solve that
19:43:06 <maat|lin> yes
19:43:39 <maat|lin> i don't want us to play ping pong
19:43:45 <maat|lin> the issue needs to be resolved
19:44:03 <MrsB> #info maat|lin requests a VM clone of the forum to be able to work on
19:44:21 <maat|lin> sending it back to sysadmin team would be childish
19:44:38 <maat|lin> so i'm trying to find an intermediate approach
19:44:42 <boklm> why don't you install yourself a VM to test the forum ?
19:44:51 <maat|lin> that could lead us to a solution
19:45:14 <marja> bbs, battery empty
19:45:18 <maat|lin> that would mean a vm to reproduce the proxy
19:45:30 <maat|lin> an other for ldap
19:45:37 <maat|lin> and a third for the forum
19:45:53 <boklm> so ?
19:46:11 <maat|lin> and i'm not sure i have enough machine power and skills @home to create all that
19:46:40 <maat|lin> don't even know if there is a documentation on how to install cadtap & ldap
19:46:49 <boklm> you don't need catdap
19:46:56 <maat|lin> same thing for the reverse proxy not sure i could suceed
19:47:32 * boklm has no time for this
19:47:41 <maat|lin> :-(
19:47:53 <MrsB> we need to enable more peolpe to get involved with this side of things though boklm
19:49:03 <MrsB> forums are our main contact with our users
19:49:12 <maat|lin> well
19:49:22 <maat|lin> have to travel work -> home now
19:49:30 <maat|lin> i'll backlog
19:49:32 <MrsB> thanks maat|lin
19:49:45 <maat|lin> thanks for the heads up marja
19:49:51 * boklm already wasted too much time with forums in the past
19:50:03 <MrsB> it's not wasted time though
19:50:10 <boklm> it was wasted time
19:50:27 <maat|lin> sorry boklm i did not inted to bother you more or waste your time :-(
19:50:49 <boklm> so find someone else than me to do those things
19:50:54 <MrsB> i know there was some disagreement previously but we have to be enablers
19:51:17 <MrsB> the problem is there IS nobody else. Sysadmin have to enable others to do so
19:51:45 <maat|lin> argh sorry i cant follow this discussion :-/
19:51:48 <maat|lin> see you all
19:52:02 <MrsB> ok maat|lin thanks for raising it
19:52:54 * marja is back
19:52:58 <MrsB> how can we enable people to get involved with this side of things boklm?
19:52:58 <boklm> the patch to fix the proxy issue is a 2 lines patch, easy to find with a google search, but nobody bothered to spend any time to try it
19:56:31 <marja> boklm: how do you know that there was not another reason, why can't it be severe lack of time, or lack of knowledge?
20:00:42 <MrsB> it's not possible for one person to do everything, the shortage of sysadmins is something we are going to need to address. Stormi and others have shown an interest in helping out but I think the main problem is knowing where to start and have a path to do so.
20:01:10 <MrsB> anyway, there are not enough of us here today to resolve it
20:01:45 <MrsB> if there are no objections I'll close the meeting
20:01:53 <DavidWHodgins> May as well.
20:02:04 <marja> boklm: or even fear that paralyses ... I don't know what it is like for others around, but when I don't feel at ease, it doesn't help to get things done
20:03:31 <MrsB> I'll end then..
20:03:40 <marja> yes, please
20:03:44 <MrsB> thanks all for coming
20:03:49 <MrsB> #endmeeting