19:42:03 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:42:03 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Aug 26 19:42:03 2013 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:42:12 <ennael> hi all and thanks for attending tonight
19:42:51 <MrsB> o/
19:43:17 * trishf42 is really awake, honest
19:43:20 <ennael> :)
19:43:37 <ennael> ok first topic then :)
19:44:53 <ennael> #topic Coming Alpha 2
19:45:28 <ennael> so it's planned for 2013/09/06
19:45:47 <MrsB> day before my birpday #justsaying
19:45:54 <ennael> tmb: when do you think you will start first build?
19:45:59 <ennael> MrsB: nice gift :)
19:46:06 <MrsB> hopefully so :D
19:47:30 <tmb> ennael: I think I'll build first one on friday evening...
19:47:42 <ennael> ok
19:47:54 <ennael> will give first try tomorrow or wednesday
19:48:08 <ennael> MrsB: do we have testers ready for it?
19:48:17 <MrsB> it'd be nice to see some of the features included in this one
19:48:27 <MrsB> i'll rev up the team again
19:48:38 <ennael> ok
19:49:02 <MrsB> we wiped the list of testers after 3 was released and started again
19:49:02 <ennael> I spoke with erwan about syslinux pb
19:49:26 <MrsB> anybody who has volunteered to test isos now is at least recent, hopefully active too
19:49:34 <ennael> we will switch to all upstream syslinux
19:49:52 <MrsB> is that hdt?
19:50:01 <ennael> nope the piece that make isos boot
19:50:05 <MrsB> oh right
19:50:51 <ennael> the first effect will be to break gfxboot theme
19:51:01 <sebsebseb> hi
19:51:05 <ennael> so we may have isos with linux prompt
19:51:14 <MrsB> now's the time we need to be breaking stuff though
19:51:21 <ennael> yep
19:51:36 <ennael> it should have been done before so while erwan is around we will do it
19:51:54 <MrsB> can we include the mageiawelcome and desktop chooser features do you think?
19:52:12 <sebsebseb> ah right yeah the welcome screen would be good to have in there to test already if possible :)
19:52:12 <ennael> yep we could. Did we have complete tests on it.
19:52:13 <ennael> .
19:52:29 <MrsB> we haven't seen it yet
19:52:46 <ennael> ok who is working on it ?
19:52:47 <MrsB> s/it/them/
19:53:05 <MrsB> napcok for mageiawelcome and djennings for desktop thing
19:53:25 <MrsB> daniel napora iinm and derek jennings
19:53:40 <ennael> ok can we contact them on QA side and organize before end of this week
19:53:41 <ennael> ?
19:53:52 <ennael> also is it already packaged ?
19:54:01 <MrsB> i don't know
19:54:14 <ennael> ok so questions we need to ask
19:54:32 <ennael> #info alpha2 will be released with full syslinux update
19:54:35 <MrsB> i think it's a bit early for qa to sort out, once it's packaged we can test more but we're swamped again
19:55:00 <ennael> #info alpha 2 will provide the mageiawelcome and desktop chooser features
19:55:33 <ennael> #action contact both napcok for mageiawelcome and djennings for desktop thing to get packages to be included
19:56:09 <MrsB> we need to make every effort to set the precedent of releasing on time too, get everybody used to the idea that we can't afford to slip releases if we're going to make release before fosdem
19:56:35 <ennael> sure
19:56:51 <ennael> we will organize with malo a review of the features
19:57:01 <MrsB> great :)
19:57:07 <ennael> as it seems alien did not mail these guys
19:57:17 <MrsB> i think he's on his holidays
19:57:25 <ennael> yep but we need to move on now
19:57:30 <MrsB> yeah
19:57:37 <ennael> tmb: anything else to add for alpha 2 ?
19:58:28 <MrsB> could we decide on whether to keep or ditch the new network interface naming scheme too
19:58:37 <MrsB> or fix shorewall so it isn't a problem
19:58:46 <tmb> ennael:  nope, not for now..
19:59:11 <DavidWHodgins> And the installer so the renaming (if kept) happens before the network gets configured.
19:59:50 <ennael> #action contact colin and tv to fix the installer and shorewall for the new network scheme
20:00:29 * coling hides
20:00:37 <coling> But takes note.
20:00:39 <DavidWHodgins> And drakgw
20:00:45 <MrsB> lol
20:01:40 <ennael> :)
20:01:47 <tmb> well, shorewall now passes outgoing traffic on any interface by default, so that part is somewhat fixed...
20:02:11 <MrsB> that's something yeah, i think it's also preventing the media config though
20:02:11 <ennael> coling: can you have a look on it with tv or do you need a proxy to deal with him? :)
20:02:12 <coling> It should be semi-easy to fix.
20:02:18 <tmb> but drakgw probably needs to remove that line if people do specific configuration
20:02:22 <DavidWHodgins> tmb: Won't that change break drakgw, for sharing internet access?
20:02:45 <coling> ennael, I will take a look soon. It should be fairly easy to fix in a VM.
20:03:08 <coling> ennael, it's more my problem than tv's anyway (although we've shared several emails these last few days about git repos so don't need any proxy :D)
20:03:17 <tmb> DavidWHodgins: yep, thats what drakgw needs to be fixed for... if you configure sharing, nuke the "net      +     detect"
20:03:25 <ennael> coling: phew thanks :)
20:06:15 <MrsB> we should see some changes then with alpha 2
20:06:26 <MrsB> that'll get testers interested maybe :)
20:06:35 <ennael> yep
20:06:49 <ennael> ok anything else on alpha2 ?
20:07:09 <MrsB> good for now thanks
20:07:25 <ennael> ok next topic then
20:08:06 <ennael> #topic teams review
20:08:30 <ennael> ok as it's a long time we did not have a meeting can we have a brief review of the teams?
20:08:52 <MrsB> i can start if you like
20:09:22 <ennael> yep
20:09:27 <ennael> #info QA team reveiw
20:09:52 <MrsB> We did a good job of keeping on top of things for a while
20:10:07 <MrsB> after alpha1 we managed to clear our list on two separate occasions
20:10:12 <MrsB> updates list i mean
20:10:27 <MrsB> it's something we haven't done since january 2012
20:11:10 <MrsB> Prior to alpha 1 testing beginning we also cleared our list of iso testers which had become a bit outdates
20:11:14 <MrsB> -s +d
20:11:19 <ennael> nice to hear
20:12:15 <MrsB> we're always short of people testing isos though so if anybody wants to help out they are mroe than welcome
20:12:28 <ennael> ok
20:13:03 <MrsB> we seem to have passed the flood of post release updates now but we're suddenly swamped again at the moment
20:13:14 <MrsB> looking forwad to mga2 eol :)
20:13:18 <ennael> ok :)
20:13:22 <ennael> anything else to add ?
20:13:59 <MrsB> we've a few new updates testers so please be patient as they get up to speed
20:14:36 <MrsB> i think that covers it though.
20:14:39 <obgr_seneca> Shall I procede with i18n?
20:15:01 <MrsB> please do obgr_seneca
20:15:06 <ennael> #info updates are under control event it seems to grow again - waiting for mga2 eol
20:15:18 <ennael> #info i18n team review
20:15:24 <obgr_seneca> Ok, we will use tx.com in the future as online platform
20:16:02 <obgr_seneca> It means not having our ldap for user organization
20:16:22 <obgr_seneca> but we don't have to care about software updates and so on
20:16:57 <obgr_seneca> We will get a subdomain mageia.transifex.com (like fedora has it)
20:17:17 <ennael> #info team will use hosted tx.com infrastructure for our internal needs
20:17:40 <obgr_seneca> Akien, me and some others will create scrits to mostly automate git <->tx syncing
20:18:08 <ennael> ok have you synced all this with sysadmins team?
20:18:16 <obgr_seneca> We will see, how far we will get there :D
20:19:11 <ennael> ok anything else?
20:19:26 <obgr_seneca> We are waiting for news on the git migration, before we can go ahead
20:19:43 <ennael> coling: still around?
20:20:08 <obgr_seneca> ennael: coling: I will come back to that in the time coming
20:20:52 <obgr_seneca> ennael: As soon as I know, what we do need from sysadmin side, I will confer with them
20:20:58 <ennael> ok
20:21:01 <coling> ennael, yup
20:21:08 <ennael> see question about git
20:21:30 <obgr_seneca> At the moment, there is nothing else from my side
20:21:59 <coling> OK, so git is now 95% done probably for /soft/
20:22:06 <obgr_seneca> coling: I will need some information from your side about it, but not tonight
20:22:17 <coling> obgr_seneca, cool.
20:22:40 <coling> I had intended on creating an i18n git repo which merged all software translations into one place.
20:22:47 <coling> (with various sync scripts)
20:22:59 <obgr_seneca> coling: That's great
20:23:17 <coling> As this means translators working outside of tx will just need to work with one git repo.
20:23:27 <obgr_seneca> I have some other things, we could need, but we don't need to discuss it here
20:23:39 <coling> As for how this will work with tx, we'll have to see, but we'll find some way to work I'm sure.
20:23:51 <coling> Yup
20:24:45 <MrsB> obgr_seneca: does everybody who needs it have blog access?
20:25:06 <obgr_seneca> MrsB: I think so
20:25:25 <marja> leuhmanu: do you have blog access now?
20:25:33 <obgr_seneca> But blog was never managed by me
20:25:46 <marja> MrsB: it is coincoin's :)
20:25:48 <obgr_seneca> Iirc that was Damien
20:25:57 <MrsB> the translations?
20:26:21 <marja> ah
20:26:35 <MrsB> and comments
20:26:49 <obgr_seneca> If some translator wanted access, I was always asking Damien to provide it
20:27:02 <obgr_seneca> Not sure how it was handled
20:27:52 <ennael> we can see it tomorrow
20:28:10 <obgr_seneca> Ok, me is going to bed now...
20:28:16 <ennael> ok thanks obgr_seneca
20:28:22 <MrsB> nite obgr_seneca
20:28:40 <ennael> #info atelier team review
20:28:47 <ennael> trishf42: your turn :)
20:28:48 <trishf42> hey all!
20:28:55 <MrsB> morning trishf42
20:28:58 <trishf42> okay, we haven't been completely idle
20:29:02 <trishf42> morning MrsB
20:29:17 <ennael> MrsB: btw congrats for the article :)
20:29:27 <sebsebseb> what article?
20:29:30 <trishf42> Thanks go to Voo who has done a draft of the artwork policy
20:29:36 <MrsB> which article?
20:29:48 <trishf42> it's here: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Artwork_guidelines
20:29:58 <trishf42> and the bones of a blog post about same, here:
20:30:08 <trishf42> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mageia-artwork-guidelines
20:30:10 <[mbot> [ Riseup Pad ]
20:30:40 <trishf42> And Schultz is about ready to do the call for artwork for Mageia 4; that should go out this week, and we'll have another blog post for that.
20:31:00 <trishf42> What other posts are in the pipeline?
20:31:17 <ennael> what about leuhmanu interview ?
20:31:40 <trishf42> Is that up as a draft, or has it been published?
20:31:53 <ennael> MrsB: ?
20:32:12 <MrsB> sorry was reading
20:32:18 <ennael> :)
20:32:37 <MrsB> leuhmanu blog post was de-frenglished
20:32:50 <MrsB> waiting on a photo IIRC
20:33:05 <MrsB> i'll have to find out, it was a while ago :\
20:33:30 <ennael> looks like he is not around
20:33:33 <trishf42> I see there's a treasurer update still sitting as a draft, didn't that get pubished?
20:33:40 <MrsB> guidelines look good trish
20:34:29 <trishf42> Thanks MrsB - I'll let Voo know!
20:34:48 <MrsB> yeah, thanks Voo
20:35:44 <trishf42> We could roll the guidelines info into the call for artwork post - I'll talk to the guys on the ml
20:35:51 <ennael> yep
20:35:53 <trishf42> Anyway, that's where we're at.
20:36:09 <ennael> thanks trishf42
20:36:16 <ennael> anything else you would like to add?
20:36:35 <trishf42> Not just now - we're just getting back to post-summer work mode
20:36:41 <ennael> :)
20:38:02 <trishf42> Looking forward to finding out more about git access, when it's all ready. Will there be space on there for artwork?
20:38:13 <sebsebseb> trishf42: of course :)
20:38:24 <sebsebseb> git will replace SVN completly
20:38:39 <MrsB> what about the owncloud thing which was being discussed before?
20:38:46 <trishf42> I was thinking more of space for artwork-in-progress than as part of soft
20:39:00 <trishf42> MrsB: still waiting...
20:39:05 <ennael> this has to be checked with sysadmins
20:39:24 <sebsebseb> MrsB: don't know about that, but GNOME gets built  in support for it, that's what I do know :) :d
20:39:39 <ennael> what is it about owncloud?
20:39:51 <MrsB> might be a good time to get it set up (along with everything else :])
20:40:11 <trishf42> Artwork/Atelier has been asking for space for artwork storage for a while...
20:40:33 <trishf42> we currently do artwork calls in a flickr group, which doesn't work terriby well
20:41:16 <MrsB> owncloud is packaged and can do ldap IINM
20:41:45 <trishf42> I'll talk to Schultz about it again
20:41:49 <sebsebseb> indeed Mageia artwork should ideally get some proper Mageia space :)
20:43:15 <trishf42> Anyway, that's us in a nutshell.
20:43:24 <ennael> ok thanks for that :)
20:43:42 * trishf42 is going for more tea... too early to be awake
20:43:45 <ennael> #info packagers team review
20:43:54 <ennael> thanks trishf42
20:43:59 * sebsebseb hears trishf42 's bed telling her to go back to bed :D heh heh :)
20:44:19 <ennael> so we had our first meeting after vacation last week
20:45:09 <ennael> mainly about alpha 1 and 2 releases
20:45:29 <ennael> not a lot of people around as it's still vacation for many of them
20:47:10 <MrsB> it has been quiet
20:47:22 <ennael> yep so I guess we will start again next week
20:47:34 <ennael> still I will send an email tomorrow about features
20:49:42 <MrsB> how are things going with apprentices?
20:49:51 <ennael> looks to be nice
20:49:57 <ennael> still we are needing more mentors
20:50:37 <MrsB> what prevents people from volunteering do you think?
20:50:54 <ennael> it needs some time I guess
20:51:19 <ennael> well we will see how we can handle this
20:52:51 <MrsB> maybe point out the apprentices will do some of the work for them
20:52:56 <ennael> :)
20:53:07 <ennael> yep that needs to be explained
20:53:31 <MrsB> a 'who can be a mentor' type thing
20:54:19 <ennael> yep and maybe also axplain it's not that complicated. One does not need to be a guru
20:54:39 <MrsB> yeah that might explain some of it
20:54:56 <ennael> ok that's all for me tonight (even if it's not that big)
20:55:06 <MrsB> thankyou for that ennael
20:55:14 <ennael> anything else ?
20:55:44 <MrsB> marja: still here?
20:55:48 <MrsB> tmb?
20:55:50 <marja> MrsB: yes I am
20:56:19 <marja> #info most of docteam has been on holiday the past weeks
20:56:37 <MrsB> need a topic ennael
20:56:39 <ennael> #info docteam review
20:57:16 <MrsB> oops sorry, i forgot it was an info before
20:57:25 <ennael> no pb :)
20:57:56 <ennael> marja: anything special to say?
20:57:57 <sebsebseb> computer issue, but back here now
20:58:05 <sebsebseb> I am
20:58:06 <marja> most of the translators were fine with the new setup (translating with SVN + po), we are now waiting how things develop with git and tx
20:58:28 <ennael> ok
20:58:39 <ennael> can you have a look on colin mail about git migration ?
20:59:25 <marja> the French might decide to keep on translating in Calenco (that is the only team for which that would work, because they help on writing documentation, so can do without translation notifications
21:00:01 <marja> ennael: I intend to catch up on reading those mails
21:00:03 <ennael> well it would be a shame to have different solutions for one team
21:00:06 <ennael> ok thanks :)
21:02:35 <MrsB> the quality of the documentation is really good
21:03:09 <ennael> ok anything else for tonight?
21:03:13 <marja> MrsB: I'll forward that message to my team :-)
21:03:20 <ennael> maat just mailed he could not attend the meeting
21:03:21 <marja> ennael: not here
21:03:25 <MrsB> :)
21:04:20 <MrsB> tmb anything sysadminy?
21:06:11 <ennael> ok let's wait for a mail about it rather and close the meeting if you are all ok
21:06:26 <DavidWHodgins> Ok here.
21:06:33 <MrsB> yep it's definitely bedtime
21:06:43 <ennael> see you all and thanks for your time
21:06:47 <ennael> #endmeeting