19:34:08 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:34:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jun 10 19:34:08 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:34:08 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:34:16 <ennael> hi all sorry for the late mail 19:34:20 <sebsebseb> hi 19:34:25 <MrsB> hi! 19:34:26 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa 19:34:47 <ennael> so let start our meeting 19:34:58 <ennael> #topic localized mailing-lists 19:35:32 <ennael> so we have now 2 localized ML 19:35:49 <ennael> as underlined by marja99 in her mail the pt_BR is not working for now 19:36:00 <ennael> 2 registered people 19:36:06 <MrsB> is it not working or nobody really using it? 19:36:22 <ennael> sorry I mean nobody uses it 19:36:42 <MrsB> it maybe needs to be publicised 19:36:44 <ennael> the french one has for now 350 messages and 65 registered 19:37:17 <sebsebseb> the Brazilen one 19:37:23 <sebsebseb> do the relivent people 19:37:25 <sebsebseb> even know it got started? 19:37:31 <MrsB> is it being used for the right purpose, discuss rather than dev? 19:37:34 <sebsebseb> maybe people don't know? 19:37:41 <ennael> do you know any brazilian who asked for it 19:37:42 <ennael> ? 19:37:45 <ennael> MrsB: support 19:37:49 <ennael> mainly 19:38:07 <remmy_> I think it's not well known yet 19:38:26 <sebsebseb> remmy_: yep I guess so 19:38:32 <MrsB> We can maybe post to forums about it and email discuss ML 19:38:34 <remmy_> Give it some more time, and find someone to post about it at least in the pt_br fora 19:38:39 <ennael> shall we plan a small blog post about communities 19:38:40 <ennael> ? 19:38:46 <sebsebseb> remmy_: indeed :) 19:38:48 <remmy_> ennael: I think that'd help 19:38:53 <MrsB> yeah blog would help too 19:38:54 <ennael> and ask the main guys implied to answwer some questions 19:38:55 <sebsebseb> what about local communites you mean? 19:39:00 <ennael> interviews 19:39:09 <sebsebseb> oh I get it 19:39:14 <sebsebseb> local communites and there representatives 19:39:17 <sebsebseb> that would be me for the UK then :d 19:39:41 <sebsebseb> and Umeaboy maybe for Sweden :d or swecamp for that one for example 19:40:01 <ennael> #action work on a blog post with fr and pt_BR communities and localized ML 19:40:21 <MrsB> We'll need to be prepared to offer other communities when we do 19:40:58 <sebsebseb> I don't think what I just put is what you were suggesting maybe it was, but either way, what I just put, would probably be a good idea :) 19:40:59 <ennael> yepwell not that hard to do but still it has to get some discussions 19:41:22 <ennael> I will try to get the brazilian guy and send some questions 19:41:25 <MrsB> we can maybe include it on the blog post that any new lists will need a moderator and enough people to make it work 19:41:34 <ennael> yep 19:41:44 <ennael> as said in our previous meeting 19:42:14 <ennael> ok anything else to add on these ML ? 19:42:24 <MrsB> be pro-active though i mean, rather than wait to be approached, offer any wanting one to sort out some people and get in touch or create a bug 19:43:11 <ennael> well it means contacting directly the guys listed in local communities page ? 19:43:36 <MrsB> i was thinking just including those details in the blog post/forum post etc 19:43:53 <ennael> oh yes sure 19:43:58 <sebsebseb> To be honest I don't think there are many local communites out there at htis time for Magiea, I mean proper ones, where proper stuff goes on, but having some interviews with people who are interseted in such communites, would be alright I guess :) 19:44:00 <ennael> we will assist people on this 19:44:27 <MrsB> maybe that' s because they don't have anywhere in their local language to meet others though sebsebseb 19:45:13 <MrsB> it's good to hear the FR one is going well 19:45:51 <sebsebseb> my comment wasn't just online communication, I meant in person stuff to by the way 19:46:04 <ennael> yep well mainly people coming from the mdv fr one 19:46:13 <ennael> it was going well there also 19:47:34 <ennael> ok anything else to add ? 19:47:41 <sebsebseb> nope 19:47:48 <MrsB> nothing here 19:47:49 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 19:48:06 <ennael> ok 19:48:27 <ennael> the plan was tonight to have team review as it's quite a long time we did not do it 19:48:35 <ennael> let's do it with people around 19:48:43 <ennael> #topic teams review 19:48:52 <ennael> MrsB: want to start ? 19:48:53 <DavidWHodgins> Tired today. :-) 19:48:56 <MrsB> sure 19:49:10 <MrsB> Well, Dave is quite tired today. 19:49:14 <ennael> :) 19:49:37 <MrsB> Since release we've been busy, there was the expected rush of updates 19:49:47 <MrsB> then also new isos 19:50:03 <ennael> about updates is it "on rails" ? 19:50:25 <MrsB> We've been trying to introduce the people who joined us testing ISOs to testing updates 19:50:56 <ennael> how did it go? 19:50:56 <MrsB> One or two have shown an interest but we've run out of easy bugs already 19:51:05 <ennael> ah 19:51:19 <MrsB> It's a steep learning curve without easy ones 19:51:43 <MrsB> Also we've previously neglected our documentation for ISO testing 19:52:06 <MrsB> I've created the bones of a page which we will need to fill 19:52:20 <ennael> ok 19:52:28 <MrsB> hopefully the experince of the new ISO testers will be useful there 19:52:59 <MrsB> We're quite on-top of the updates at the moment though *touch wood* 19:53:22 <ennael> great :) 19:53:37 <ennael> we still need to manage backports 19:53:52 <MrsB> well, might be a good idea to go ahead and do it 19:53:57 <ennael> yep 19:54:01 <sebsebseb> yep backports from Cauldron to Mageia 3? 19:54:19 <ennael> boklm: around ? 19:54:32 <MrsB> at the moment we're down to one update waiting on tests, 2 waiting for work to be done and one waiting to be validated 19:54:43 <ennael> nice result for now 19:55:00 <malo> MrsB: great :-) 19:55:11 <ennael> boklm has automatized advisories publication and is about to finalize a script so that QA can push updates 19:55:16 <MrsB> if we're going to open backports there is not going to be a better time to do so 19:55:31 <ennael> ok so maybe we should work on a blog post first on that topic 19:55:47 <sebsebseb> GNOME 3.8 to Mageia 3 backport? :d oh I had to put this :d 19:56:04 <MrsB> Dave did you notice the advisories had moved to advisories.mageia.org now? 19:56:20 <blino> sebsebseb: why not, looks like it's running smooth on Cauldron :-) 19:56:28 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. Been watching the sysadmin-discuss.ml 19:56:47 <ennael> #info advisories can now be listed on advisories.mageia.org 19:56:52 <ennael> about backports 19:56:53 <ennael> http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageiabackports 19:56:54 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ] 19:56:59 <sebsebseb> blino: nearly tried in Cauldron, but uhmm..... anyway the sooner it gets backported to Mageia 3 the better :) 19:57:06 <sebsebseb> oh one thing with backports, will there be a repo for that or what? 19:57:08 <ennael> to explain what is is and... what it is not 19:57:12 <sebsebseb> people then enable it if htey awtn backports, or how will that work? 19:57:27 <malo> for backports there was the question of an svn branch for them 19:57:52 <sebsebseb> malo: oh? which means what exactly? it will be like lugui's unoffical Mageia 1 updates after EOL, got to get them from SVN ? 19:57:55 <ennael> anyway nothing will be published before everything is ready 19:58:08 <MrsB> the pad for a blog post ennael? 19:58:12 <ennael> I will mail sysadmin about it 19:58:14 <ennael> MrsB: yep 19:58:17 <MrsB> OK 19:58:30 <MrsB> phone sorry.. 19:58:42 <ennael> it can also explain what needs do we have to support it 19:59:27 <DavidWHodgins> The sysadmin and dev teams have to sort out svn branching, then push and advisories procedures have to be setup. 19:59:43 <sebsebseb> What is SVN branching? 20:00:32 <malo> sebsebseb: don't worry about it. 20:00:34 <DavidWHodgins> Keeping the backports source separate from cauldron source, in case further updates are needed. 20:00:50 <sebsebseb> DavidWHodgins: oh ok :) 20:01:11 <sebsebseb> that makes sense I think :) 20:01:33 <ennael> are the mageia 3 vm still in todo list for QA? 20:01:54 <sebsebseb> yeah I guess so :d 20:02:01 <DavidWHodgins> Forgot all about it, but I guess so. 20:02:17 <MrsB> we should keep our promises i think 20:02:27 <sebsebseb> yeah QA's been focussing on ISO's and updates, I think the vm got forgot about or kind of thing :d 20:02:39 <sebsebseb> MrsB: indeed :) 20:03:31 * sebsebseb thinks helping to test a Mageia 3 VM would probably be quite fun for me, since I like doing stuff in Virtualbox here and there :) testing/trying stuff out 20:03:37 <ennael> what you can do is use firsttime script and use draklive post-install to manage network and users configuraiton 20:03:52 <MrsB> you mean you want us to create it? 20:04:21 <ennael> I thought somebody wanted to but we can do it 20:04:37 <sebsebseb> that's true a vm has to be made, the OS installed into it or whatever :d 20:04:53 <ennael> MrsB: what vm should we provide? 20:04:59 <ennael> GNOME and KDE ? 20:05:13 <sebsebseb> maybe a few vm's ? have some with XFCE and LXDE to ? 20:05:41 <ennael> no way to manage zillions of it 20:05:44 <MrsB> We can maybe ask for opinions, maybe just a base one that people can use to expand on and create VMs for specific purposes 20:05:50 <MrsB> sry, brb 20:05:54 <sebsebseb> I thought the vm was just a quick easy download of a pre instaleld Mageia 3 20:05:55 <sebsebseb> or that's the idea ? 20:06:33 <sebsebseb> like how VMware have some already made ones for certian OS's when I looked uhhmm like three years ago or something like that last time I think it is 20:07:09 <DavidWHodgins> I think all of the vms should use kernel-server-latest, to avoid bug 44. I don't think vb can run ok on an i586 cpu that doesn't support pae, so we should ignore those. 20:09:23 <sebsebseb> GNOME and KDE vm's, maybe XFCE and LXDE to. we don't have Live CD's for XFCE and LXDE, but the Mageia implementaitons are very good (well I think so), so we could at least provide vm's for those as well I am thinking. Depending on what the vm is exactly, but I assume it's just a pre installed Mageia 3 and that's about it, may add some packages to it, but basically a default install? or pretty much. We could ask the community 20:09:25 <sebsebseb> what kind of programs they think should be pre installed though, if any. 20:10:05 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: I think, pretty much the same as the live dvds, but with one more for i586 systems, using lxde. 20:10:30 <DavidWHodgins> So, on i586, two x86_64 20:10:35 <sebsebseb> as for the kernel thing DavidWHodgins I think well ok, are you sure about that though? 20:10:46 <DavidWHodgins> Yes. 20:11:02 <sebsebseb> also if someone installs a normal ISO into Virtualbox now, they don't get the server kernel surely? 20:11:30 <DavidWHodgins> It varies depending on how they set it up (ram, etc). 20:11:49 <sebsebseb> oh ok again if you say so :), but I think by default, it's the normal kernel 20:12:11 <ennael> ok so let say 3 vms ? KDE, GNOME and LXDE sot that we have the 3 main kind of installs 20:12:20 <ennael> using only task packages 20:12:21 <DavidWHodgins> My point is, that it should be, when installing in any type of vm. 20:12:22 <sebsebseb> I would like one with XFCE as well 20:12:33 <sebsebseb> in fact I got asked before why there wasn't a XFCE Live CD by someone, and then I think again by someone else as well 20:12:42 <sebsebseb> if it's GNOME, KDE, XFCE, and LXDE, that's the four main DE's supported :) 20:12:58 <ennael> no way to manage zillions of vm 20:13:13 <sebsebseb> depending on what hte vm's are I guess :d ,but yeah you said earlier 20:13:35 <DavidWHodgins> Let's keep it managable. xfce could be included in both the gnome and kde iso images. 20:13:48 <sebsebseb> same with LXDE for that one then 20:14:05 <sebsebseb> could include enightmetn and so on to, i n fact maybe the vm should just be well 20:14:14 <sebsebseb> the classical installer with everything or pretty much :) 20:14:26 <ennael> we cannot include all of them or the size will be too heavy to download 20:14:39 <sebsebseb> only issue with that is the size and I was thinking that to 20:14:49 <DavidWHodgins> It's a vm, not a live iso, so people can add whatever they want, afterwards. 20:15:08 <sebsebseb> true :) 20:15:38 <malo> KDE and GNOME and one minimal should be sufficient 20:15:42 <sebsebseb> well as long as GNOME and KDE are supported by default, that's good, and put XFCE and LXDE in both of them as well or something. or maybe have a vm, with both GNOME and KDE, and then people can add whatever to it after if they want that ? 20:16:12 <ennael> #action coming: VMs for Mageia 3 to be uploaded on mirrors after QA tests 20:16:26 <sebsebseb> ennael: uhmm doesn't QA have to make the vm first as well? 20:16:29 <sebsebseb> or who is making the vm ? 20:16:45 <ennael> please can you followthe meeting? 20:16:55 <ennael> I said before I would have a look 20:16:59 <sebsebseb> ok :) 20:17:26 <ennael> ok let see now packagers team 20:17:36 <ennael> malo: want to sum up last events ? 20:17:46 <malo> ennael: ok. 20:18:08 <malo> So in the packager team there are two main things. 20:18:38 <malo> the creation of SIG (Special Interest Groups) to encourage cooperation between packagers 20:19:09 <malo> they are still a bit slow to pick up 20:19:31 <malo> the second thing is the revamp of the mentoring process 20:19:42 <malo> we have 3 new apprentices 20:20:03 <malo> and several apprentices that were dormant are starting again 20:21:11 <leuhmanu> cool 20:21:23 <malo> Finally, people are working on elaborating features for mageia 4. But we should remind them about it. 20:21:30 <ennael> yep 20:21:33 <malo> ennael: that's about it. 20:21:40 <ennael> finalize post-mortem first 20:21:47 <ennael> so that tings are clear before 20:21:59 <ennael> things 20:22:24 <ennael> #info creation of SIG to encourage cooperation between packagers 20:22:47 <ennael> #info new process for mentoring packagers including online tutorial 20:24:00 <ennael> questions? 20:24:06 <ennael> any other team around? 20:26:35 <malo> leuhmanu: bugsquad? 20:26:48 <remmy_> leuhmanu has taken a two week break 20:27:05 <remmy_> and I'm sorry to say that I as his deputy haven't been able to pick up in his absence :( 20:27:32 <malo> remmy_: you two need to hire :-) 20:27:52 <leuhmanu> yes 20:28:00 <sebsebseb> remmy_: maybe you can buy malo into your team for one euro or pound :d 20:28:13 <leuhmanu> and now I have an intership so less available too 20:28:17 <MrsB> they make mageia: leuhmanu 20:28:29 <leuhmanu> (in a full windows environment) 20:28:29 <malo> MrsB: yes! 20:28:33 <ennael> malo: rmemebr the discussion, include some triage and qa job in mentoring process for packagers 20:28:56 * ennael needs to buy new fingers... 20:29:01 <leuhmanu> and using the patch + junior_job bug 20:30:48 <ennael> MrsB: want to prepare the questions for leuhmanu ? 20:31:11 <MrsB> \o/ 20:31:16 <ennael> :) 20:31:22 <ennael> I let you manage it then :) 20:31:27 <MrsB> still on phone sry 20:31:30 <MrsB> ok 20:31:42 <ennael> #action MrsB will work on "they make mageia: leuhmanu " 20:31:52 <leuhmanu> these girls will kill me 20:31:56 <ennael> sure :) 20:32:03 <ennael> this is our secret target 20:32:26 <ennael> anything else to add ? 20:32:32 <ennael> secret or not 20:32:38 <leuhmanu> nop :s 20:33:03 <DavidWHodgins> Nothing here. 20:33:13 <sebsebseb> nope 20:33:43 <ennael> ok let end it for today 20:33:47 <ennael> thanks for attending 20:33:52 <malo> ennael: thanks 20:33:53 <ennael> #endmeeting