19:27:06 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:27:06 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon May 27 19:27:06 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:27:06 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:27:07 <tmb> obgr_seneca: nope, but in great condition for a meeting 19:27:23 <ennael> so welcome back in hell :) 19:27:28 <obgr_seneca> tmb: :D 19:27:51 * marja prefers paradise 19:28:11 <philippem> hi all, malo will not be there , please apologize 19:28:23 <ennael> thanks philippem 19:28:30 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 review 19:28:37 <ennael> so let start with the fresh news 19:28:59 <ennael> Mageia 3 is out finally and it seems global reviews and announcements are rather positive 19:29:07 <marja> :) 19:29:53 <obgr_seneca> Aside from some obvious trollings on the contact mail alias.... 19:29:55 <ennael> the last one was on distrowatch this morning 19:30:01 <ennael> obgr_seneca: ah ? 19:30:06 <ennael> did not get that one 19:30:14 <ennael> oh the group.* 19:30:20 <obgr_seneca> Yep 19:30:33 <leuhmanu> the board ? 19:30:33 <ennael> troll is good for health :) 19:30:36 <sebsebseb> hi Bonjour Guten Abend 19:31:10 <sebsebseb> hi philippem 19:31:44 <obgr_seneca> I got send an article today which will be in a printed Linux journal here next month 19:31:51 <ennael> great 19:32:03 <maat|lin> hi 19:32:08 <ennael> do we have burning topics following the release ? 19:32:13 <obgr_seneca> Was rather positive as well. The chief editor asked me to have a look at it and correct stuff, if there was something wrong 19:32:17 <ennael> bugs, web site, /... 19:32:51 <obgr_seneca> I don't see any burning stuff right now 19:33:06 * marja neither 19:33:07 <trishf42> nothing burning in atelier 19:33:15 <leuhmanu> or they are already closed 19:33:18 <sebsebseb> hi trishf42 19:33:21 <DavidWHodgins> bug 9941 - needs to get fixed soon. 19:33:26 <trishf42> sebsebseb: hi 19:33:28 <leuhmanu> ,bug 9941 19:33:30 <[mbot> 04Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9941 normal, Normal, bugsquad, bugsquad, NEW , Change settings in drakfirewall : shorewall shorewall-ipv6 should be instaled, drakx-net 19:34:01 <ennael> ok 19:34:08 <ennael> do we have somebody working on it? 19:34:12 <DavidWHodgins> It's blocking the saving of changes to the firewall settings. 19:36:02 <leuhmanu> DavidWHodgins: the fix is only what is written in the summary ? 19:36:28 <leuhmanu> ah no 19:36:41 <DavidWHodgins> No. That's the cause of the problem. With shorewall-ipv6 installed, drakfirewall doesn't save /etc/shorewall/rules.drakx 19:36:41 <maat|lin> got to go 19:36:45 <maat|lin> sorry 19:37:35 <marja> maat|lin: have a nice evening 19:38:09 <ennael> ok so we have to rise this pb on the dev ML 19:38:24 <ennael> will mail about it then to find a volunteer for it 19:39:53 <ennael> anything else we should look at following the release ? 19:40:43 <DavidWHodgins> That's the only really critical bug I'm aware of. 19:41:22 <ennael> ok thanks then 19:41:32 <ennael> anything else to add here? 19:41:51 <trishf42> not from me 19:41:57 <DavidWHodgins> Overall, I think this was our smoothest release yet. 19:42:09 <ennael> after release yes :) 19:42:12 <ennael> not before :p 19:42:27 <DavidWHodgins> Yep. 19:42:32 <ennael> ok 19:42:36 <ennael> #topic localized mailing-lists 19:43:00 <ennael> so we have this pending demand regarding localized ML to help users reporting and discussing about Mageia 19:43:25 <DavidWHodgins> As per the mailing list, I think discuss-fr.ml.magiea.org, and other languages, is a good idea. 19:44:05 <obgr_seneca> I see no problem with it aside from dividing the users into two groups, forum users and ml users 19:44:23 <leuhmanu> there is no divisions in my pov 19:44:33 <tmb> obgr_seneca: yep, but we already have that "split" 19:44:37 <DavidWHodgins> There are people like me, who don't like using forums, and people who don't like mailing lists. 19:44:49 <Akien> tmb: My POV precisely. 19:44:49 <trishf42> it's a separate problem, yes? 19:44:55 <obgr_seneca> As long as one of those mls doesn't become a place where things are discussed that should be discussed on dev@ml and so on 19:45:03 <marja> I don't see that much of a division, either.... some people will not post in a forum, even if there is no ml, and the other way around 19:45:14 <trishf42> adding the language groups seems sensible 19:45:23 <ennael> so we could ask for moderator for those ML 19:45:24 <Akien> I think creating localized ML would bring more people to the community, but would not take people from the forums. 19:45:33 <obgr_seneca> And yes, I'm thinking about the fr ml... 19:45:36 <trishf42> ennael: +1 19:45:48 <marja> obgr_seneca: I agree with that, such things should be forwarded to dev ml with a translation 19:45:54 <ennael> those people could help to keep the ML for what it's created 19:46:06 <ennael> and forward demands, bugs... 19:46:16 <marja> yep 19:46:16 <ennael> marja: ouarf you are the first :) 19:46:18 <tmb> yep, the only thing we need to make sure it does not end up as "dead lists" 19:46:23 <ennael> yes 19:46:43 <Remmy> What's wrong with low volume lists? 19:46:44 <marja> so no Dutch list for now ;-) 19:46:49 <ennael> can we say we give some time for the ML to grow but if no discussions within x weeks then we close it 19:46:57 <ennael> having a kind of policy 19:46:58 <obgr_seneca> +1 19:47:12 <leuhmanu> (local ml is dead then no ? :D ) 19:47:16 <marja> 2013:05:27:21:46 < Remmy> What's wrong with low volume lists? 19:47:21 <tmb> Remmy: not low volume, but "dead" in the sense people ask questions but no-one answers... 19:47:34 <ennael> leuhmanu: we are a bit responsible for this :) 19:47:49 <tmb> because then we get "there is no help at mageia..." 19:47:55 <marja> tmb: ah, I don't have a problem with closing mls that are dead in that respect 19:48:03 <obgr_seneca> so, if not more then x post a months, it is dead and more hurting then helpful 19:48:10 <obgr_seneca> We only have to define x 19:48:29 <marja> obgr_seneca: but if all those posts are answered? 19:49:08 <tmb> yep, we cant really define "x" at this point... just lets open them and try to monitor them somewhat... 19:49:30 <DavidWHodgins> I don't think we should try to define x in advance. 19:49:37 <Remmy> Perhaps just ask the persons requesting such lists, to take an active role in keeping them alive and monitoring the posts 19:49:45 <ennael> yep 19:49:47 <trishf42> maybe if we open a list on request from someone, they need to be moderator...? 19:49:58 <ennael> at least they have to propose some 19:50:11 <trishf42> and then the someones need to agree 19:50:21 <leuhmanu> all ml are moderate by admin yet, no ? 19:50:21 <obgr_seneca> not all that good a plan, since people requesting such a list might not be able to be their moderators 19:50:33 <leuhmanu> so it this possible to deligate ? 19:50:37 <leuhmanu> it is 19:50:48 <marja> obgr_seneca: well, at least they speak the language :-) 19:50:49 <obgr_seneca> We need people speaking the languages in question 19:50:55 <ennael> it does not mean they have to be moderator 19:50:56 <trishf42> +1 19:50:58 <Remmy> obgr_seneca: I don't think it would be wise for us to volunteer moderating pt-br either. 19:51:00 <ennael> but they have to propose one 19:51:12 <marja> OK 19:51:25 <obgr_seneca> Remmy: The two of us could... Would be funny! 19:51:35 <ennael> then we can start it with -fr list 19:51:49 <tmb> and the brazilian one 19:51:50 <leuhmanu> and brasilian 19:51:55 <marja> yes 19:52:14 <ennael> ah yes the brasilian 19:52:18 <ennael> then we see how it goes 19:52:21 <DavidWHodgins> Russian too, based on the messages in the developers mailing list. 19:52:31 <obgr_seneca> So, how do we call those lists? discuss-<language>? 19:52:34 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: I'm a bit reluctant with russian 19:52:35 <marja> ah, i missed that 19:52:43 <marja> ennael: why? 19:52:45 <leuhmanu> DavidWHodgins: link ? or date ? 19:52:59 <DavidWHodgins> Today 19:53:00 <ennael> they seem to develop their own repositories and some kind of apart community 19:53:03 <tmb> I do have a feeling that both the french and the brazilian one will not have the "dead list" problem .... :) 19:53:14 <DavidWHodgins> About the russian developers who don't speak english. 19:53:15 <marja> tmb: :-D 19:53:28 <leuhmanu> ennael: mlo too for repositories as turkish.. 19:53:29 <Akien> tmb: And the Dutch one, as long as marja and Remmy speak together :p 19:53:31 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: my pov still stays the same :) 19:53:36 <DavidWHodgins> Ok. 19:53:40 <obgr_seneca> ennael: Yes, I was about to write something in that mate thread today 19:53:41 <tmb> Akien: :) 19:54:02 <marja> ennael: what else can they do, if they want to develop but don't speak enough English? 19:54:05 <ennael> so can we start with br and fr and see how it goes in June 19:54:18 <Akien> About the Russian, I guess they already have a ML actually. 19:54:25 <ennael> marja: well they act a bit as spanish community 19:54:39 <boklm> what should be the name of those mailing lists ? discuss-[language]@ml.mageia.org ? 19:54:45 <ennael> hi boklm 19:54:47 <boklm> hi 19:54:51 <ennael> (the hidden guy :p) 19:54:53 <obgr_seneca> hi boklm 19:54:53 <marja> ennael: sorry, I wasn't aware there was something wrong with the Spanish community 19:55:06 <Akien> It's already good that some of them try to make the link between Mageia and their community. 19:55:08 <marja> ennael: do you mean MIB like? 19:55:15 <ennael> marja: well I'm not saying it's wrong but I think it's not that fair 19:55:16 <obgr_seneca> It is a bit "a community inside the community" 19:55:20 <ennael> they asked to be mentored 19:55:24 <leuhmanu> mib is from italy marja 19:55:29 <ennael> and then work only on their repository 19:55:44 <marja> leuhmanu: yes, that is why I ask "MIB like" 19:55:56 <leuhmanu> oh :s 19:56:01 <ennael> well the relation is a bit different 19:56:03 <ennael> :) 19:56:04 <leuhmanu> ² 19:56:09 <ennael> more friendly 19:56:24 <ennael> but still mageia community is small so it's a shame to divide it a bit more 19:56:28 <obgr_seneca> The blogdrake people are at least working in i18n 19:56:41 <ennael> yes 19:56:43 <marja> ennael: yes,a nd they helped docteam too 19:56:47 <ennael> I was looking for the name :p 19:56:57 <ennael> but nothing on packaging side 19:57:02 <ennael> and we need more packagers :) 19:57:06 <obgr_seneca> Yep 19:57:16 <ennael> anyway shall we start now 19:57:17 <leuhmanu> (maintainer in fact) 19:57:32 <ennael> 21:54 < boklm> what should be the name of those mailing lists ? discuss-[language]@ml.mageia.org ? 19:57:37 * marja wonders what they would answer if we'd ask them why they are not packaging with us 19:57:39 <ennael> is that ok for all? 19:57:44 <trishf42> yep 19:57:51 <DavidWHodgins> Ok with me. 19:57:52 <marja> yes 19:57:56 <ennael> ok 19:57:57 <obgr_seneca> So let's start with discuss-fr@ml.... and discuss-pt@ml... 19:58:08 <Akien> pt or pt_BR? 19:58:08 <obgr_seneca> or shall it be discuss-pt-br? 19:58:08 <Akien> :D 19:58:10 <Remmy> Careful, with the pt pt-br thing again 19:58:10 <DavidWHodgins> Should that be pt-br? 19:58:19 <boklm> ok 19:58:29 <marja> the brazilians asked for it 19:58:34 <Remmy> I think these languagers are more diverted than German German and Swiss German 19:58:39 <ennael> #action sysadmin will create discuss-fr@ml and discuss-pt-br@ml for localized ML to start with 19:58:50 <ennael> yes you cannot mix it 19:58:52 <Akien> I think discuss-[language] is a good name. Way better than debutant@ or something like that. 19:58:53 <marja> \o/ 19:59:08 <Remmy> Good :) 19:59:38 <ennael> #action define 2 or 3 identified moderators for each of these ML so that we have feedbacks if needed 20:00:02 <tmb> why not simply discuss-br ? 20:00:17 <marja> tmb: Breton? 20:00:22 <ennael> :) 20:00:26 <tmb> :) 20:00:26 <ennael> a ML for tv :) 20:00:28 <obgr_seneca> because br is also an acronym for a language 20:00:54 <Akien> I think it's best to stick with the language codes that we use in i18n. 20:00:59 <tmb> ok, I should have known that since I package locales-* :) 20:01:05 <marja> lol 20:01:09 <ennael> :)) 20:01:28 <ennael> ok next topic? 20:01:46 <DavidWHodgins> post-mortem 20:01:46 <sebsebseb> yep 20:01:52 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 post-mortem 20:02:36 <DavidWHodgins> The biggest problem was the drakxtools not getting fixed till the last week before release. 20:02:46 <ennael> wait :) 20:02:53 <ennael> post mortem is for all teams :) 20:03:01 <Akien> Mageia 3. 2012-2013. RIP. 20:03:08 <marja> and we have one more week ;-) 20:03:16 <sebsebseb> Akien: Mageia 2 you mean ? 20:03:17 <ennael> so every team may have the biggest pb also :) 20:03:27 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: have you added it on the wiki? 20:03:36 <DavidWHodgins> Not yet. :-) 20:03:38 <ennael> this topic is a reminder 20:03:52 <ennael> we have to finalize this in order to get some priorities 20:04:03 <trishf42> atelier's pm is mostly done 20:04:12 <ennael> people may find it a bit boring but this is important 20:04:48 * obgr_seneca has to go to bed, but Akien is here for i18n! 20:05:01 <ennael> thanks obgr_seneca :) 20:05:01 <marja> obgr_seneca: sleep well! 20:05:06 <obgr_seneca> See you 20:05:12 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: bye for now 20:05:13 <sebsebseb> oh to late 20:05:44 <ennael> so I let you all mail some reminders in your own teams 20:05:52 <ennael> including forums, sysadmins and so :) 20:06:36 <marja> doktor5000: do you mail the reminder to forums ml (maat is gone) ? 20:07:59 <ennael> ok let switch to next topic 20:08:23 <ennael> #topic Mageia Days 20:08:42 <ennael> so it's now confirmed we will have a test round during RMLL in Bruxelles 20:08:45 * trishf42 can't attend, so will go get some more tea 20:08:46 <ennael> :) 20:08:59 <Remmy> Next one will be in Australia 20:09:04 <ennael> why not :) 20:09:07 * sebsebseb could probably attend really, but would anyone actsaully want me there really? :d 20:09:35 <ennael> sebsebseb: after some beers everybodyis welcome :) 20:09:44 <marja> :) 20:09:56 <sebsebseb> ennael: it would be like the AGM except a whole day? 20:10:00 <sebsebseb> the dev room I mean? 20:10:08 <ennael> can be more or less technical 20:10:14 <ennael> depending on the people there 20:10:32 <sebsebseb> as for RMLL itself what's that like? is it just a small event, but in the big ULB ? 20:11:01 <ennael> I guess it's something like 3000 people for 5 days 20:11:04 <ennael> kind of 20:11:25 <tmb> and all potential Mageians :) 20:11:32 <sebsebseb> yeah 5 days would be rather expensive, but I guess don't have to go for the whole thing anwyay 20:11:49 <ennael> yep 20:12:22 <sebsebseb> well I might go, not sure yet 20:12:38 <ennael> so we still need to solve that part about donation 20:12:43 <ennael> then we will communicate on it 20:13:17 <sebsebseb> as for the donating part I read the emails, I think Claire made a interesting point about donating to something else, like would we then donate to say FSFE ors omething as well? 20:13:49 <sebsebseb> I think boklm made a good point that this is differnt. Also FSFE sponswer FSCONS in Goteborg/Gothernburg Sweden for many eyars in November it seems, or something like that. and they are non profit to 20:14:00 <ennael> the only thing is the RMLL organization is paying for everything 20:14:08 <ennael> building, network, security... 20:14:20 <tmb> I'd think 500� is ok, as iirc we have ~8500� for now... and we are using the facilities there too... 20:14:22 <ennael> we will be the only one to have a dev room there 20:14:43 <ennael> that's why it looked quite sensible to make this donation 20:14:45 <sebsebseb> personally I think it's ok to donate something to RMML since going to get a dev room there, but right thats' up to you lot to decide not me :d, the actsaul council/board members :d 20:14:49 <Remmy> If we get EUR 500 worth out of it, then I'm ok. But it's no small sum. 20:15:19 <sebsebseb> indeed 500 Euros is no small sum 20:15:20 <marja> tmb: how do you know that is what we have right now? 20:15:38 <doktor5000> marja: reminder already went to forums ml, ennael put it on CC ... if we don't comment on postmortem, what should another reminder achieve? 20:15:57 <ennael> marja: it was in the board ML archive 20:16:07 <marja> ennael: ah, OK, thx 20:16:07 <tmb> marja: https://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/2013/ 20:16:08 <[mbot> [ Mageia.org 2013 Financial Report ] 20:16:27 <ennael> woot 20:16:41 <marja> tmb that is only updated until end of January :-( 20:16:48 <ennael> nice error 20:16:57 <ennael> marja: the up to date status is in the ML 20:16:59 <doktor5000> ennael: somebody hacked our reports :) 20:17:37 <tmb> its a little broken and a little behind, but IIRC we have not had a lot of expenses since that... and boklm confirmed the sum on board ml 20:17:51 <ennael> yep 20:18:14 <ennael> boklm is working on some web tools to get up to date reports for financial status 20:18:59 <marja> ah, here it is https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/board-public/2013-05/msg00012.html 20:19:10 <[mbot> [ board-public - Public board discussion - arc_protect ] 20:19:17 <marja> OK, I agree with € 500 20:19:25 <tmb> so... do we get some agreement... do we go for 500 (or the other suggested 300) or what ? 20:20:09 <ennael> giving 500€ will also give us some advertising on the RMLL web site 20:20:19 <trishf42> http://treasurer.mageia.org/ 20:20:20 <[mbot> [ Mageia.Org treasurer infos ] 20:20:44 <marja> doktor5000: if last week no one had time, but has time now, it might help him/her to remember 20:21:42 <ennael> ok so everybody agrees then :) 20:21:46 <trishf42> yep 20:21:48 <Akien> I agree too 20:21:59 <Akien> If we miss this money in the future, we'll just have to tax the council members :p 20:22:02 <DavidWHodgins> Yes 20:22:10 <sebsebseb> ennael: 500 euros is probably worth it, if it means advertsing on the RMLL site to :d 20:22:21 <ennael> Akien: I can give you some vegetables from my garden no pb :) 20:22:31 <sebsebseb> of cousre trishf42 or someone is going to have to do a nice blog post, explaining to the ocmmunity about this though :d 20:22:37 <Akien> \o/ 20:22:38 <ennael> yep :) 20:22:55 <trishf42> 8-) you can count on me... when does it need to be ready? 20:23:13 <ennael> #action Mageia.Org will make a donation for RMLL 20:23:24 <ennael> trishf42: yesterday ? :) 20:23:29 <trishf42> argh 20:23:41 <sebsebseb> 500 or 300 euros? is it decided now? 500 for adveritsing on the site as well? 20:23:46 <ennael> trishf42: just let me ping the organization of RMLL so that they are informed first :) 20:23:51 <ennael> should be done tonight 20:23:56 <trishf42> okay, I'll put up a draft and you can tell me what's missing 20:24:01 <ennael> ok 20:24:29 <ennael> anything else on that topic ? 20:24:39 <sebsebseb> RMLL is really a French event? 20:24:44 <sebsebseb> ,but now in ULB instead? 20:24:47 <sebsebseb> Belgium not France 20:25:08 <ennael> M=mondial = worldwide 20:25:14 <ennael> well at least european :) 20:25:30 <leuhmanu> and the try to go outside france 20:25:40 <ennael> #topic Past / Coming events 20:25:46 <sebsebseb> ok so it's really a French one, but where htey like going outside France? 20:25:46 <ennael> ok other events now 20:25:54 <ennael> how was Linuxtag ? 20:26:01 <marja> great :) 20:26:16 <ennael> are you planning a blog post ? 20:26:21 <marja> Linuxtag was smaller, but I think we had more visitors 20:26:24 <leuhmanu> doktor5000: ? 20:26:35 <marja> and obgr_seneca is planning a blogpost 20:26:41 <ennael> great :) 20:26:45 <marja> on both Chemnitz and Linuxtag 20:26:59 <ennael> #action obgr_seneca is planning a blog on both Chemnitz and Linuxtag 20:27:03 <ennael> when is it planned ? 20:27:07 <ennael> Chemnitz 20:27:10 <sebsebseb> what's Chemnitz ? 20:27:16 <marja> ennael: it has been 20:27:38 <ennael> oups sorry then :) 20:27:51 <marja> ennael: 2013-03-16 - 2013-03-17 20:27:57 <ennael> ok 20:28:09 <ennael> Solution Linux is starting tomorrow for 2 days in Paris 20:28:33 <Akien> Do we have Mageia CDs and DVDs for there? 20:28:42 <ennael> nope not this time 20:28:51 <ennael> at least we should have isos if needed 20:29:03 <ennael> still we need to work better on events organization 20:29:07 <sebsebseb> This Saturday I am going to what I went to last year, much more bigger this year, down for the LUG intro, and then a 30 minutes at most talk including any Q&A. Gonig to do it about my own personal expereines giving invovled with opensource, and contributing to projects and that, using Mageia as the main example project :). 20:29:44 <sebsebseb> and yeah need to get a video camera sorted out before this, but yeah :) 20:30:29 <marja> ennael: do you have any idea why so few people signed up for SL? 20:30:53 <ennael> this is not the best time for having people around 20:31:18 <marja> ennael: is June better (last year it was in June) 20:31:35 <ennael> maybe 20:31:53 <sebsebseb> well some won't go to Linutag and then SL nearly straight after I guess for example to :d 20:32:19 <ennael> any other event we should have in list ? 20:32:32 <sebsebseb> which list ? 20:32:47 <leuhmanu> events one 20:32:58 <ennael> apart from the one we have just listed 20:33:02 <sebsebseb> I guess you tell me, if what I am going to on Saturday is worth mentioning some where or not, after seeing the video :d 20:33:04 <sebsebseb> of my talk 20:33:33 <sebsebseb> assuming I can get the camcorder sorted out before then and such to :) 20:34:09 <marja> Is FrOSCon already in the list? 20:35:19 <trishf42> draft post: https://blog.mageia.org/en/wp-admin/post.php?post=2274&action=edit&message=10 20:35:21 <[mbot> [ Mageia Blog (English) Log In ] 20:36:02 <ennael> ok :) 20:36:07 <trishf42> I would love to have a stand at linux.conf.au next January 20:36:23 <ennael> do you have some volunteers to help there ? 20:36:30 <sebsebseb> trishf42: unfortuatnly I can't see that, since I don't have a log in for that 20:36:36 <ennael> I may have some contacts for you in australia 20:36:45 <trishf42> 8-) 20:36:47 <sebsebseb> as for linuxconf there was some Australilan enw person or someting in IRC recnetly I think or mailng list or something 20:36:56 <sebsebseb> Mageia channels yeah 20:37:02 <trishf42> slow down, seb... 8-) 20:37:06 <ennael> :) 20:37:30 <trishf42> main problem is cost of travel - it's way over in Perth 20:37:36 <marja> ouch 20:37:45 <trishf42> work it out when it's a bit closer 20:38:20 * sebsebseb thinks we may have more Australlian Mageia users, than we may think 20:38:22 <sebsebseb> now 20:38:24 <ennael> there is also http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe 20:38:25 <[mbot> [ LinuxCon Europe | Linux Conferences and Linux Events | The Linux Foundation ] 20:38:35 <sebsebseb> ennael: yes indeed and I know colin will be there 20:38:42 <sebsebseb> and I may go to that to this time since in Edinbrugh :) 20:39:04 <ennael> can we list all this somewhere ? 20:39:30 <marja> ennael: I've been told that getting entrance there is rather expensive 20:39:33 <trishf42> we've got the beginnings of this on the wiki somewhere - on the atelier pages, I think 20:39:58 <ennael> and we should think also about an event box 20:40:03 <sebsebseb> marja: yep I think even with my Linux Foundaiton mebmership I mays til have to pay quite a bit, can't ermember now though 20:40:15 <sebsebseb> I looked at that before, get some kind of discount at least anyway I think 20:40:22 <trishf42> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Events 20:40:50 <ennael> ok just need to be updated 20:40:51 <sebsebseb> plus Edinbrugh itself isn't really known to be cheap, as far as I know, hotelwise etc 20:42:01 <ennael> ok anything else here? 20:42:41 <sebsebseb> FSCONS in November, I plan to go to that, probably be the like only or pretty much Mageia person, but yeah 20:43:06 <marja> not here 20:43:14 <sebsebseb> ah yes and OGG Camp in August of course 20:43:47 <ennael> ok 20:43:58 <ennael> #topic after Mageia 3 20:44:06 <ennael> this is a proposal 20:44:08 * sebsebseb and doesn't think he is going to Serbia in September for this event found out about at FOSDEM when chatting to people, but matteo was quite interested in that when I told him about it, it seems, since Italy is near Serbia 20:44:15 <tmb> that would be Mageia 4 :) 20:44:17 <ennael> :) 20:44:37 <ennael> we wait a bit more before starting officially planning and features 20:44:54 <ennael> as we need information focused on Mageia 3 news 20:45:03 <Remmy> I want Mageia 3.14 20:45:07 <ennael> it's good for visibility and for donations :) 20:45:11 <trishf42> 8-) 20:45:20 <ennael> wdyt? 20:45:21 <sebsebseb> yep colin has already started the propsed features and I think some others 20:45:33 <trishf42> I'm collecting the news and reviews; do we want a wiki page for them like last time? 20:45:49 <ennael> not started already ? 20:46:01 <sebsebseb> also it seems we may get Mate in Mageia 4 :), but I agree can do proposed features offically a bit later on 20:48:38 <trishf42> ennael: no, but I'll get on that today 20:49:29 <ennael> was just checking somebody has not started it before :) 20:49:56 <ennael> ok anything else for tonight ? 20:50:07 <sebsebseb> not here 20:50:10 <DavidWHodgins> Not here. 20:50:24 <Remmy> Good night all :) 20:50:35 <ennael> nitgh all thanks for attending 20:50:41 <ennael> #endmeeting