19:03:34 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:03:34 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Apr 29 19:03:34 2013 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:48 <ennael> hi all thanks for being there, special mention to trishf42 :)
19:04:12 <ennael> so this meeting is dedicated to Mageia final release
19:04:25 <ennael> let start we will try to make it short
19:04:32 <ennael> #chair trishf42 malo
19:04:32 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: ennael malo trishf42
19:04:54 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 planning
19:05:14 <ennael> so the first question to ask today. Can we still keep the current planning
19:05:20 <DavidWHodgins> No
19:05:32 <MrsB> it'll be difficult, we've no isos to test yet
19:05:50 <MrsB> and some bugs with no fixes, upgrade tool still being built
19:06:00 <ennael> as a reminder final release is due to friday
19:06:19 * sebsebseb agrees with MrsB how can we have the final out on 3rd  May, when QA doesnt' even have any ISO's to test yet?
19:06:20 <trishf42> Atelier is ready except for web page and CD
19:06:23 <malo> No, too many release blocker still.
19:06:29 <ennael> What I propose is to send a blog post explaning we are fixing last blocking bugs
19:06:35 <ennael> so no date will be given
19:06:48 <Max__> No date sounds bad...
19:06:49 <trishf42> that works for i18n also, I think
19:06:53 <ennael> still we need internally to work on a given date or it will never end
19:07:01 <obgr_netbook> so we will postpone for some time?
19:07:06 <ennael> yes
19:07:07 <DavidWHodgins> We have some release blockers, such as bug 8368, that don't seem to have had any work started, let alone tested.  There are very few people with the knowledge needed to fix it, and they've been busy on other bugs.
19:07:39 <MrsB> how much time realistically do we need? I think it would be better to give an expected date even if we state it isn't set in stone
19:08:06 <sebsebseb> MrsB: yep :)
19:08:16 <DavidWHodgins> I'm thinking in the range of  4 to 6 weeks, to give the developers and qa enough time.
19:08:22 <ennael> well we can indeed but be ready to modify it
19:08:27 <MrsB> ouch, i was thinking 1 or 2
19:08:33 <ennael> DavidWHodgins: this is not possible
19:08:40 * sebsebseb thinks obgr_netbook will probably really want it relased before LInux Tag
19:08:45 <ennael> or we will loose half of packagers
19:08:58 <DavidWHodgins> When is Linux Tag?
19:09:00 <obgr_netbook> I want that, but only if we are ready for release
19:09:06 <ennael> MrsB: that's more what I was thinking about :)
19:09:08 <MrsB> besides we'll all have collapsed long before then
19:09:18 <obgr_netbook> Linuxtag is May 22nd - May 25th
19:09:38 <ennael> 18th of may should be the latest
19:09:50 <ennael> wdyt
19:09:52 <sebsebseb> 18th of May as the  release date tehn ?
19:09:53 <MrsB> we should be realistic about it, better to say 2 weeks and stick to it than 1 week and have to move it again
19:09:56 <obgr_netbook> ennael: When is solution linux?
19:09:56 * sebsebseb isn't on council, but oh well I guess
19:10:12 <ennael> obgr_netbook: end of may
19:10:15 <ennael> 28 and 29
19:10:19 <obgr_netbook> ah, ok
19:10:40 <trishf42> 18 May doesn't really give you time to burn CDs for Linuxtag, does it?
19:11:09 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: Iwill take empty cds with me to berlin
19:11:17 <trishf42> ok
19:11:28 <ennael> malo: wdyt?.
19:11:31 <MrsB> 4 days between the two anyway
19:11:34 <obgr_netbook> I am going to Berlin on May 19th to have some holidays there
19:11:39 <MrsB> ahh
19:11:39 <trishf42> obgr_netbook: ping us about cd labels
19:11:52 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: I will
19:12:03 <sebsebseb> trishf42: yeah I'l be replying later about the CD labels :d
19:13:18 <ennael> ok guys some people need to sleep here. We need to take some decisions
19:13:41 <trishf42> Atelier is fine with whatever date is decided
19:13:47 <trishf42> we just need to know what it is
19:13:50 <MrsB> 2 weeks is realistic imho
19:13:51 <ennael> sure
19:13:51 <leuhmanu> 18 seems good
19:14:02 <obgr_netbook> I'd say if we plan for May 18th we have some3 days left if anything bad happens
19:14:07 <ennael> malo is sleeping so let say he does agree :)
19:14:11 <trishf42> 8-)
19:14:15 <obgr_netbook> And we will still be ready for sl and linuxtag
19:14:15 <ennael> obgr_netbook: ?
19:14:22 <MrsB> allows approximately 1 week to fix stuff, 1 week to test stuff
19:14:45 <ennael> 1,5 for fixes and 1 week for isos
19:14:54 * sebsebseb has an event coming up to, where will probably want Mageia CD's and  so on this time round to, proper ones :), but that's 1st June
19:14:59 <MrsB> yep, sounds good ennael
19:15:18 <MrsB> DavidWHodgins: ok with this?
19:15:21 <ennael> ok speak now or never :)
19:15:32 <DavidWHodgins> Ok, as long as the bugs do get fixed in time.
19:15:38 <trishf42> hey schultz!
19:15:42 <malo> Two weeks will be good, provided we can motivate the troops.
19:15:55 <MrsB> we have to think of people as well as technical
19:16:09 <ennael> #info final release will be delayed for remaining release critical bugs until 18th of may
19:16:10 <Schultz> hey, sorry I'm late, had to clean up a minor chemical accident
19:16:16 <trishf42> ow
19:16:25 <MrsB> spilled beer?
19:16:31 <marja> :)
19:16:42 <Schultz> cellulose thinners :)
19:16:48 <ennael> so it means final isos will start on 11th of may
19:16:49 <MrsB> phew ;)
19:16:51 <trishf42> eep
19:16:54 <marja> ennael: what will be the deadline to update the CREDITS ?
19:17:11 <MrsB> Ahh yes, I just started that in QA
19:17:15 <sebsebseb> ennael: final ISO testing will beging on 11th May ?
19:17:27 <ennael> marja: in progress anyway mageia-release is the last apckage to be updated on 10th of may :)
19:17:34 <ennael> but still hurry up on this :)
19:17:51 <MrsB> morning boklm
19:17:57 <boklm> morning
19:18:05 <marja> ennael: so until 9th of may?
19:18:05 <trishf42> ok, question: who has access to commit stuff to the website?
19:18:11 <leuhmanu> o/
19:18:12 * obgr_netbook 
19:18:13 <ennael> #info testing of final isos will start on 11th of may
19:18:16 <Schultz> atelier credits are done, assuming I didn't misspell my name again or miss anyone
19:18:16 <obgr_netbook> rda
19:18:23 <obgr_netbook> someother i18n people
19:18:28 <ennael> okok wait
19:18:31 <trishf42> thanks obgr_netbook - I'll ping him
19:18:39 <ennael> is that all on planning side?
19:18:43 <ennael> anything else to add ?
19:18:53 <MrsB> matches
19:18:57 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: whom? me or rda or some other i18n people?
19:19:15 <ennael> MrsB: :)
19:19:17 <trishf42> obgr_netbook: I'll ping rda
19:19:22 <ennael> ok
19:19:28 <trishf42> need to update the web front page
19:19:34 <leuhmanu> trishf42: I can help if needed for web stuff
19:19:37 <ennael> #topic review of pending tasks
19:19:42 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: he knows most about it
19:19:42 <trishf42> leuhmanu: thanks
19:19:54 <ennael> so trishf42
19:19:55 <ennael> :)
19:20:07 <ennael> #info review of atelier tasks
19:20:12 <trishf42> sorry, sorry - just keeping awake here
19:20:16 <ennael> :)
19:20:28 <trishf42> ok, we have the blog post and press release ready
19:20:39 <trishf42> i18n has them, we have some translations already
19:20:53 <trishf42> so we're ready for release moment
19:20:56 <trishf42> BUT
19:21:07 <trishf42> need to update the website front page on the day also
19:21:28 <trishf42> and we need more, more, more sites to publicise that aren't English
19:21:48 <Schultz> oh, and Max__ has the tribute to Eugini well under way if not finished, maybe we could review that
19:21:49 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: I have some addresses in DE
19:21:49 <trishf42> so, obgr_netbook, can you ask i18n people to submit sites
19:21:57 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: will do
19:22:14 <trishf42> obgr_netbook: great, I will email the wiki link to i18n if that's ok
19:22:32 <obgr_netbook> Yep
19:22:47 <ennael> see https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Press_release_contact_list
19:23:03 <ennael> maybe we can complete it by country or languages
19:24:32 <trishf42> yep. We have one more than we did, but very few non-EN
19:24:36 <ennael> trishf42: can you explain also what is planned in memory of eugeni ?
19:25:32 <trishf42> We are working on a CD label, I have a para in both press release and blog post, and we'll add something to the front page
19:25:39 <trishf42> with the nice pic we got from his family
19:25:50 <trishf42> so it will be everywhere
19:26:08 <trishf42> not too much, but everywhere
19:26:27 <obgr_netbook> trishf42: until when can you have it ready?
19:26:30 <trishf42> I wonder if we can put something in the version string that goes in /etc/release
19:26:38 <trishf42> obgr_netbook: which?
19:26:41 <Schultz> the image was posted to atelier earlier today if people want to take a look
19:27:00 <obgr_netbook> the cd label?
19:27:12 <trishf42> obgr_netbook: should be ready within one week
19:27:19 <obgr_netbook> ok
19:27:21 <ennael> ok antyhing else for atelier ?
19:27:26 <Schultz> not complete, but the impression of Eugini that will go onto the labe;
19:27:32 <trishf42> No - that's it
19:27:38 <ennael> thanks trishf42
19:27:50 <ennael> #info review of i18n tasks
19:27:55 <ennael> obgr_netbook: your turn
19:27:55 <Schultz> I had a look at colins bug, but couldn't work out anything, so maybe for mga4
19:28:21 <obgr_netbook> I hope the teams have their translations commited
19:28:37 <obgr_netbook> I mailt them about the deadline end of last week
19:28:59 <obgr_netbook> What we are doing now is translating web site and atelier stuff
19:29:16 <ennael> ok
19:29:35 <obgr_netbook> There's not much else to say about i18n and mga3 release
19:29:44 <ennael> ok thanks
19:30:04 <obgr_netbook> We have some work to do after the release though, but that's not for today's meeting
19:30:17 <ennael> #info review of docteam tasks
19:30:19 <ennael> marja: ?
19:30:47 <marja> we'll try to get the Mageia 3 screenshots in the online documentation
19:30:54 <marja> and to find some missing translators
19:31:17 <marja> to get the documentation ready to go into doc.mageia.org
19:31:36 <marja> I'd like to hear your opinion
19:31:53 <marja> about what to do with incomplete translations
19:32:17 <obgr_netbook> incomplete in what way?
19:32:19 <marja> replace the missing pages or strings with English ones
19:32:35 <marja> or not import them to doc.mageia.org
19:32:39 <MrsB> What about including them with a note explaining they are incomplete and asking for people to get involved if they can help
19:32:39 <obgr_netbook> mixed languages in the same docuemnt or one translated and one not translated?
19:33:15 <marja> obgr_netbook: we'll have the Enlish document anyway, so indeed: mixed
19:33:18 <ennael> MrsB: I would go for it
19:33:43 <obgr_netbook> Yep, good idea
19:33:45 <MrsB> <<This document is not fully translated, sorry. If you think you can help then please get in touch, your help would be appreciated>>
19:33:54 <ennael> yep
19:34:13 <marja> OK, thx MrsB :)
19:34:34 <MrsB> just a suggestion, see what your guys think
19:34:43 <marja> I'll add that to the more general call for help that is on the front page
19:34:56 <MrsB> include a way to get in touch though :)
19:35:05 <marja> MrsB: that is already there :)
19:35:58 <marja> this one is fully translated, but just to show the link: http://docteam.mageia.nl/fr/MCC/content/index.html
19:36:00 <[mbot> [ Centre de Contrôle de Mageia ]
19:36:24 <marja> the general call for help is there because not all pages have been written yet
19:36:42 <MrsB> nice
19:36:49 <ennael> anything else to add ?
19:37:31 <marja> how to revive translators ;)
19:37:43 <marja> any suggestions are welcome :)
19:37:48 <obgr_netbook> marja: If I knew that...
19:38:18 <ennael> a good topic in general for meeting after release :)
19:38:24 <marja> obgr_netbook: I'm glad I'm not i18n leader ;)
19:38:24 <ennael> but yes we have to think about it
19:38:48 <obgr_netbook> It's a topic for another meeting
19:39:05 <ennael> marja: want to add something else ?
19:39:19 <marja> ennael: no, thanks
19:39:24 <marja> ennael: oops
19:39:26 <marja> ues
19:39:45 <ennael> :)
19:39:57 <marja> ennael: accidentally, the name of the translators is at the top or the French MCC help pages
19:40:07 <ennael> #info review of QA tasks
19:40:23 <marja> ennael: when pasmatt fixes it, can the fix please be pushed?
19:40:24 <MrsB> QA tasks for mageia 3 are mainly mageia 2 right now
19:40:47 <MrsB> we have a backlog of updates waiting due to continued testing of isos
19:41:02 <MrsB> it's important we clear those as much as possible this week.
19:41:15 <ennael> indeed
19:41:32 <MrsB> Other than that we have upgrades which are being tested and when colin finalises his upgrade tool will need testing with that too
19:41:45 <MrsB> then on 11th it's hell week
19:42:00 <ennael> the best place to be :)
19:42:07 <MrsB> no time to get bored!
19:42:18 <ennael> I've seen new comers for QA
19:42:38 <MrsB> yes, we've had one or two who have stayed
19:42:41 <sebsebseb> ennael: yep at least one new
19:42:50 <MrsB> people tend to come and start and then disappear though
19:43:02 <ennael> humpf
19:43:02 <obgr_netbook> MrsB: I know that
19:43:30 <MrsB> we'll do what we can :)
19:43:43 <ennael> ok I will help also on iso tests
19:43:52 <sebsebseb> ennael: nice :)
19:43:54 <MrsB> \o/
19:44:01 <MrsB> obgr_netbook: you too?
19:44:03 <obgr_netbook> I'll try as well
19:44:10 <MrsB> leuhmanu: you too?
19:44:12 <sebsebseb> cool :)
19:44:21 <obgr_netbook> I can't during the day, but in the evenings
19:44:32 * ennael will also covince coincoin
19:44:34 <MrsB> we don't mind what time it happens :)
19:44:38 <ennael> I have some matches left
19:44:45 <MrsB> Yay!
19:44:48 <MrsB> sebsebseb: you too?
19:44:53 <sebsebseb> MrsB: that's the plan yeah
19:45:04 <MrsB> great, so we're in good shape
19:45:08 <ennael> :)
19:45:14 <ennael> ok anything else to add ?
19:45:14 <leuhmanu> MrsB: a little I hope
19:45:16 * MrsB fingers x'd
19:45:53 <ennael> ok now packagers
19:45:54 <MrsB> I don't think there is much for us to do mga3 wise until hell week.
19:46:09 <ennael> #info review of packagers tasks
19:46:25 <sebsebseb> yep QA needs ISO's now :d
19:46:30 <ennael> the point is to list the bugs that *must* be fixed
19:46:43 <ennael> we have a meeting tomorrow and again we will take some time on it.
19:46:58 <ennael> tv also seems to be more present I will deal with him about pending issues
19:47:12 <MrsB> i'll try to be there, DavidWHodgins will you be free?
19:47:19 <DavidWHodgins> Yes
19:47:25 <ennael> and we will see after release how to create a team around drakx* to have more people on it
19:47:29 <ennael> thanks
19:47:44 <ennael> boklm: around ?
19:48:44 <ennael> #info review of sysadmins tasks
19:49:15 <ennael> one thing we have a sword of damocles above the head
19:49:26 <ennael> everybody know about damocles ?
19:50:10 <MrsB> yes, kinda
19:50:28 <malo_> yes
19:50:52 <ennael> so Lost-Oasis who sponsors us for hosting
19:50:53 <marja> yes, but I don't feel I could die any minute :-/
19:51:05 <ennael> is about to move servers from Marseille to Paris
19:51:21 <ennael> it means 1 or 2 days all disconnected
19:51:32 <marja> ah, now I start to understand about the sword
19:51:37 <obgr_netbook> When?
19:51:40 <ennael> we are waiting for the final date for it but it may happen these days
19:51:40 <MrsB> all = ALL?
19:51:58 <ennael> MrsB: all the build system, bugzilla, svn...
19:52:11 <MrsB> pretty much then
19:52:12 <ennael> we will have only web running
19:52:29 <obgr_netbook> Ouch
19:52:37 <ennael> so be prepared maybe to work without all this
19:52:57 <ennael> if we have isos and bugs list we could still work on issues
19:53:05 <MrsB> what about ML's?
19:53:45 <ennael> not sure but it may be also in AMrseille
19:54:06 <MrsB> without bugzilla or ML's it would be difficult to function
19:54:15 <ennael> we have irc
19:54:31 <ennael> it will not be easy but still we have no choice
19:54:46 <MrsB> when can we expect to know the dates?
19:54:51 <ennael> the positive thing is we will be much nearer servers in case of pb
19:54:58 <MrsB> that's something
19:55:08 <ennael> MrsB: we are trying to get it as soon as possible
19:55:23 <MrsB> definately before relase though you think?
19:55:53 <ennael> it seems yes but they have already postpone it several times
19:56:12 <MrsB> is there anything we can do to mitigate problems?
19:56:33 <ennael> only prepare some communciation about it so that people do not get lost
19:56:51 <ennael> then guys in Paris will have to restart servers and check everything is ok
19:56:51 <MrsB> it's bound to happen in hell week!
19:56:56 <ennael> :)
19:57:34 <MrsB> that's worthy of an #info
19:58:23 <ennael> #info Mageia servers are about to be moved from MArseille to Paris. No rpecise date but it may happen before 18th of may
19:59:08 <ennael> ok anything else to add ?
19:59:26 <MrsB> only tears
19:59:43 * marja gives a tissue to MrsB
19:59:53 * MrsB sniffles
19:59:53 <malo_> and sweat
19:59:57 <ennael> :)
20:00:31 <ennael> can we end this meeting ?
20:00:38 <marja> fine with me
20:00:42 <DavidWHodgins> Ok here.
20:01:04 <obgr_netbook> and with me
20:01:14 <MrsB> ok
20:01:32 <ennael> thanks all for attending
20:01:45 <ennael> and keep on the good work!
20:01:48 <malo_> thank you ennael
20:01:49 <ennael> #endmeeting