20:00:18 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:00:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Feb 11 20:00:18 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:18 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:26 <ennael> #chair MrsB obgr_seneca 20:00:26 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: MrsB ennael obgr_seneca 20:00:35 <ennael> 2 victims tonight \o/ 20:00:53 <obgr_seneca> \o/ 20:01:17 <MrsB> uhohh 20:01:17 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 planning 20:01:30 <ennael> ok have you all seen the mail about mageia3 planning ? 20:01:50 <marja> yes 20:01:54 <MrsB> yep 20:02:07 <obgr_seneca> yep 20:02:44 <obgr_seneca> i think it is a good idea to add some more time 20:02:44 <ennael> any comment on this? (not many by mail) 20:03:05 <MrsB> I think as we're looking at doing this we should be realistic about how long we should wait, if it needs longer we should leave it longer. 20:03:06 <obgr_seneca> better now then shortly before the release date 20:03:13 <marja> same as in the mail, I think it is good 20:03:17 <leuhmanu> go for it 20:03:29 <leuhmanu> (maybe add another rc ?) 20:04:13 <Schultz> good with me 20:04:17 <ennael> well there should be only one rc 20:04:28 <ennael> one more beta if needed but only one rc 20:04:40 <leuhmanu> or one beta 20:04:47 <leuhmanu> more+ 20:05:01 <ennael> adding one beta needs to add at least 3 or 4 more weeks in planning 20:05:41 <MrsB> it's quite arbitrary though, how much extra time can we anticipate we realistically need? 20:05:57 <obgr_seneca> which would make things interesting for linuxtag :D 20:06:09 <MrsB> it would be a shame to add time and then be late because we under estimated 20:06:28 <ennael> ah tmb right on time 20:06:31 <ennael> :) 20:06:44 <ennael> tmb: wdyt about planning changes ? 20:08:55 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi 20:09:30 <marja> sebsebsebeeepc: hi :) 20:09:32 <ennael> hum I killed tmb 20:09:37 <ennael> (and not kenny) 20:09:38 <sebsebsebeeepc> marja: hi 20:09:49 <tmb> ennael: I agree we need the extra weeks to sort out the pending features... 20:09:59 <ennael> ok thanks :) 20:10:16 <ennael> so now how should we organize this work ? how many more weeks ? 20:10:45 <obgr_seneca> if we postpone till may 2nd? 20:10:46 <MrsB> I would say it is better to err on the safe side 20:10:59 <obgr_seneca> and a dd a beta4 instead of rc? 20:11:06 <sebsebsebeeepc> what's that delay Mageia 3 untill May 2nd? 20:12:03 <leuhmanu> is currently something new to test ? 20:12:35 <leuhmanu> (beside usually rpm updates) 20:13:33 <ennael> well as said in mail, what we are waiting for is mainly about grub2 and installer and some other 20:13:42 <ennael> for now I don't see many fixes 20:14:05 <MrsB> you are best placed to suggest a timescale, how much do you tink? 20:14:07 <sebsebsebeeepc> maybe GNOME 3.8 can still end up in Mageia 3 as well, if its going to be delayd quite a while 20:14:26 <obgr_seneca> if we have tests about installer to do, one more beta would be good, wouldn't it? 20:14:46 <obgr_seneca> or add more time for pre release tests and get more people for it 20:14:59 <ennael> sebsebsebeeepc: no way to have GNOME 3.8 for now 20:15:03 <leuhmanu> rc should be near to official 20:15:08 <DavidWHodgins> Without another beta, I think final should be delayed at least two weeks. With another beta, I'd guess 6 weeks. 20:15:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> ennael: oh? 20:15:53 <ennael> sebsebsebeeepc: not enough people to work on and still we are not able to update stable releases.. 20:15:53 <leuhmanu> sebsebsebeeepc: gnome3.4.2 was removed from testing so don't think so much of a gnome updates during it's official life 20:16:22 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep somethin 3.7got removed a few packages and I saw Olav's emai 20:16:37 <sebsebsebeeepc> indeed not many people are focussed on GNOME packagers I mean 20:17:02 <leuhmanu> no need to break something that works :) 20:17:20 <ennael> ok so about planning 20:17:36 <sebsebsebeeepc> and the big Mageai 2 update got cancalled yeah, anyway carry on with planning 20:18:04 <tmb> ennael: looking at proposed timeline by tv, we might be able to build an initial beta3 iso incoming weekend, but to be on safe side maybe account for another week to not kill tv :/ 20:18:05 <MrsB> personally i think adding another beta would be preferable to delaying 2 weeks and finding it isn't long enough 20:18:55 <ennael> so having beta3 for 5th of march 20:19:22 <obgr_seneca> #info beta3 for 5th of march 20:20:31 <obgr_seneca> ennael: the rest of the dates will be postponed by the same time? 20:21:31 <tmb> obgr_seneca: yep, that's the idea for now 20:21:34 <ennael> beta4 on 28thof march, rc on 19th of april and final release 20:21:47 <ennael> on 3rd of may ? 20:21:50 <ennael> wdyt ? 20:21:56 <obgr_seneca> ok with me 20:22:20 <marja> fine with me 20:22:21 <MrsB> it relieves some pressure from overloaded people, it's good 20:22:51 <ennael> tmb: is it ok for you ? 20:23:02 <MrsB> the extra beta will allow more thorough testing of recent additions 20:23:17 <leuhmanu> seems fine 20:23:45 <MrsB> plus, it delays mga4 final until after xmas 20:23:52 <leuhmanu> whould be great to add new date like in the mga2 planning https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_development 20:24:40 <ennael> will be done + blog post 20:25:24 <tmb> ennael: I think it's ok given our current resources... better do it right than fast... 20:25:34 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca adapt wiki to new planning 20:25:40 <ennael> ok 20:25:52 <obgr_seneca> #action ennael write blog post about it 20:27:17 <ennael> ok anything else on that topic ? 20:28:01 <sebsebsebeeepc> no 20:28:04 <tmb> nope 20:28:05 <obgr_seneca> ennael: release freeze will be when? 20:28:21 <sebsebsebeeepc> when is artwork going in? Beta 3? 20:29:32 <Schultz> can we get to artwork later once the release delays are closed 20:29:39 <ennael> obgr_seneca: 7th of april 20:29:47 <ennael> artwork is next topic 20:29:58 <obgr_seneca> ennael: thx 20:32:37 <obgr_seneca> ennael: MrsB: vm release on beginning of june then? 20:32:51 <ennael> yep 20:33:12 <MrsB> a month after final release, roughly, to give us a chance to recover 20:34:07 <MrsB> would it be better for mga4 to allow more time between betas? 20:35:05 <ennael> well it's hard to guess now 20:35:14 <ennael> grub2 is a big piece 20:35:39 <tmb> MrsB: well, that usually depends on planned features, and the time for people to implement them, so it's a guess at best :) 20:35:53 <ennael> tmb: give me 5 ! 20:35:54 <ennael> :) 20:36:06 <MrsB> we can discuss it nearer the time 20:36:23 <ennael> ok can we go to next topic ? 20:36:24 <tmb> one ... two ... three ... four .. five ... there you are :) 20:36:28 <ennael> :) 20:37:22 <tmb> yep, next topic 20:37:35 <sebsebsebeeepc> next topic 20:37:51 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 artwork 20:39:55 <ennael> ok sorry 20:39:59 <ennael> was looking for a mail 20:40:20 <ennael> so I asked svg images for the background and "Sorry, but I don't have a .svg because most of art is done in Xara, some in Gimp, so no Inkscape here" 20:40:25 <ennael> so no svg 20:40:43 <Schultz> can we have the image without the logo then? 20:40:47 <ennael> yep 20:41:03 <ennael> we should get it tomorrow as I received a mail this we 20:41:17 <ennael> we should have xcf files also 20:41:22 <Schultz> that will do fine. can you either put it in a mail to atelier or on the wiki somewhere 20:41:30 <ennael> yep sure 20:41:38 <ennael> who will work on integration ? 20:42:00 <Schultz> if we don't change much of the current stuff, then it shouldn't take long 20:42:25 <ennael> would be nice to have a look also on grub2 splash 20:42:26 <Schultz> I can do nearly everything on Wednesday, but I don't know bootsplash/grub, you always did that 20:42:38 <ennael> bootsplash ? 20:42:49 <leuhmanu> plymouth 20:43:03 <ennael> I've never worked on plymouth, Schultz did 20:43:10 <leuhmanu> oh oups 20:43:17 <ennael> do you mean gfxboot ? 20:43:35 <Schultz> no not plymouth, isn't there something besides grub(2) that gets a them, maybe im just thinking things up 20:43:35 <ennael> both for install iso and boot system ? 20:43:44 <Schultz> yes thats the one 20:43:54 <leuhmanu> gfxboot 20:44:02 <Schultz> they both have boot in the word :) 20:44:06 <ennael> :) 20:44:19 <Schultz> and no crampons attached :( 20:45:35 <Schultz> so are we happy with the way the distro looked last time, and just replace the background images at all points, or do people want things redone? 20:46:08 <Schultz> rda posted a new logo which was very nice, but I havn't heard back about asking for an svg from him 20:46:22 <ennael> let me check if he is around 20:47:41 <ennael> ok cannot reach him 20:47:48 <ennael> I'll try to have an answer tomorrow 20:48:17 <MrsB> where does mcc pull it's artwork from? 20:48:29 <Schultz> ok, sounds good. If needed we can move the Ksplash and plymouth animations around a bit 20:48:43 <leuhmanu> ksplash is not dead ? :) 20:48:44 <ennael> MrsB: a dedicated image for left background 20:48:54 <leuhmanu> I saw a commit from lmenut iirc 20:48:55 <Schultz> mcc gets it from its own artwork files, the required sizes are in the wiki 20:49:14 <MrsB> ahh ok 20:49:47 <ennael> #action ennael will mail atelier with last piece of design and about final logo 20:49:49 <Schultz> well if ksplash is dead, what is doing the animation when kde starts up? I know they wanted to replace it, but that was back at 4.8 20:50:44 <tmb> Schultz: well, you need to check with the kde guys about that.... 20:50:49 <leuhmanu> Schultz: I seriously know, maybe I'm wrong, better is to ask neoclust mikala or neoclust 20:50:59 <leuhmanu> or lmenut... :) 20:51:09 <Schultz> figures, I'll just ask 20:51:31 <ennael> about backgrounds 20:51:47 <ennael> we will need to make all resolutions from the one given by this guy 20:52:28 <marja> Schultz: you could also ask yourself.... you're in KDE team according to the wiki ;) https://wiki.mageia.org/en/KDE4_packaging_policy 20:52:31 <Schultz> yep, that was the same for last time, I can do that with a mix of gwenview and gimp 20:53:03 <Schultz> marja: just did, got an answer of null, sorry 20:53:36 <ennael> ok 20:53:36 <marja> Schultz: sorry, I don't understand 20:53:44 <ennael> anything else to add on this topic ? 20:54:32 <Schultz> not from me, I'll ask for mageia-theme and kde4-config to be pushed when I've added everything 20:54:54 <marja> nothing here, either 20:54:55 <ennael> yep ok thanks 20:55:23 <ennael> #topic Preparing next vote for Mageia.Org board and Mageia teams 20:55:58 <ennael> ok so we had the general assembly during FOSDEM 20:56:08 <ennael> mainly moral and financial report 20:56:32 <ennael> see https://wiki.mageia.org/en/General_report_2012 20:56:47 <ennael> MrsB: is working on proofreading my frenglish :) 20:57:01 <ennael> rda will add the final financial report on it 20:57:01 <MrsB> Yes, i'll do that 20:58:28 <ennael> ok thanks 20:58:32 <sebsebsebeeepc> read that earlier to, one little thing, webteam became Atelier as well 21:00:39 <ennael> ok 21:01:05 <ennael> so we will also post on blog to let people know as soon as it's all read and financial report is ready 21:01:31 <ennael> now we have to organize vote for the board 21:01:45 <ennael> and decide what to do with teams elections also 21:02:50 <ennael> I will see with obgr_seneca about board vote 21:03:16 <ennael> if there are people here wishing to candidate please think about it :) 21:03:49 <MrsB> what does it mean to be a board member? 21:04:07 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: means they pay for you to go to FOSDEM if you can't afford it :d 21:04:11 <MrsB> :P 21:04:36 <leuhmanu> I don't think this is what is written in the constitute 21:04:42 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org 21:04:56 <ennael> you can have a more precise idea here 21:05:16 <MrsB> how many board members do we have at the moment? 21:05:39 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Org_Board 21:05:45 * ennael is a bot :) 21:05:49 <MrsB> lol 21:06:03 <ennael> 6 members for now 21:06:48 <ennael> there are some very specific functions like Chairman, Secretary and 21:06:50 <ennael> Treasurer 21:07:09 <sebsebsebeeepc> chairperson 21:07:27 <ennael> please have a look on this 21:07:37 <ennael> you can ask more details at any time 21:07:39 <tmb> ( and matchholder ) 21:07:45 <ennael> :) 21:07:59 <ennael> this is for board 21:08:06 <ennael> we need also to have a look on teams 21:10:28 <marja> ennael: how many need to be chosen this year? 21:10:37 <marja> ennael: for the board 21:11:01 <ennael> well it will depend if everybody want to go for another year 21:11:22 <ennael> but even if everybody wants that does not prevent new comers to candidate 21:11:57 <marja> ennael: well, last year we had to vote 2 new members: one replacement + one extra 21:12:50 <marja> ennael: is it known how many board members we aim to have *after* the elections? 21:14:01 <ennael> well this has to be discussed. was not done for now 21:14:11 <marja> ennael: OK, thx :) 21:17:56 <ennael> as a reminder for previous years, each team decided the way to organize vote and process 21:18:03 <ennael> is it still ok for everybody ? 21:18:56 <tmb> yep 21:19:06 <marja> fine here....... I suppose e-poll is available, if a team wants to use it? 21:19:24 <ennael> sure 21:19:31 <marja> good 21:19:43 <ennael> can we agree on some deadlines for it? 21:21:06 <marja> ennael: personally, I prefer to have the team elections after the board elections 21:21:46 <ennael> ok let say board election will be done on 5th of march 21:22:09 <marja> OK 21:22:24 <tmb> ok 21:23:19 <ennael> #info board elections will happen on 5th of march 21:23:51 <ennael> so teams vote before 16th of march? 21:24:01 <marja> ennael: fine 21:24:12 <MrsB> that is ample time 21:24:40 <ennael> #info vote for team leaders and representatives will have to be finalized before 16th of march 21:28:46 * tmb thinks everyone is sleeping ... me included ... 21:29:14 <MrsB> that was the final topic i think 21:29:17 <marja> tmb: :) 21:29:19 <leuhmanu> -_- 21:29:24 <ennael> ok let's end meeting.. 21:29:26 <ennael> #endmeeting