20:10:09 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:10:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jan 28 20:10:09 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:10:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:11:33 <ennael> hi all 20:11:38 <ennael> thanks for being around tonight 20:11:44 <MrsB> hi, sorry to be late. i came with food 20:11:50 <ennael> :) 20:12:10 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi 20:12:22 <MrsB> hi sebsebsebeeepc 20:12:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: hi 20:13:05 <ennael> so first topic 20:13:17 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 artwork 20:13:49 <ennael> so we have some proposals with this guy 20:14:25 <ennael> as a reminder we decided to ask him to look for something more original and looking professional 20:15:42 <ennael> so we have now basically 3 proposals 20:16:05 <MrsB> is he happy with them? 20:16:12 <ennael> new1, new2 and m2 20:16:27 <ennael> we need to choose there so that it can be finalized 20:16:51 <ennael> MrsB: well in fact he is looking for our feedbacks to decide which one we would go for 20:17:20 <MrsB> we voted on the ML didn't we? 20:18:27 <MrsB> morning maat 20:18:55 <ennael> so marja and maat for new2 20:19:02 <ennael> as rda 20:20:08 <ennael> trishf42, MrsB 20:20:16 <ennael> that was for the second proposal 20:20:22 <ennael> then we had miracle* 20:20:30 <trishf42> new2, as I recall 20:20:47 <ennael> miracle are the last one 20:22:21 <ennael> I give you the 2 one 20:22:39 <marja> http://ge.tt/9soMVeV/v/0?c 20:22:40 <[mbot> [ Miracle_background_for_Mageia_3.tar.gz ] 20:23:17 <MrsB> miracle v1 for me 20:23:23 <ennael> http://people.hupstream.com/~ennael/Miracle%20_v1.png 20:23:31 <ennael> http://people.hupstream.com/~ennael/Miracle%20_v2.png 20:23:53 <Max__> Last link 404'd. 20:23:56 <trishf42> I like miracle v1 best also - it leaves a nice clear space on the left for icons 20:24:15 <marja> I prefer v2 20:24:18 <ennael> http://people.hupstream.com/~ennael/Miracle_v2.png 20:24:47 <ennael> ok one at a time 20:24:55 <ennael> we need to decide or we will be late for integration 20:24:57 <ennael> MrsB: 20:25:22 <ennael> (your vote) 20:25:41 <MrsB> miracle v1 20:25:45 <ennael> marja: 20:25:47 <marja> v2 20:25:50 <ennael> trishf42: 20:25:51 <trishf42> miracle v1 20:25:54 <ennael> marja: 20:25:56 <ennael> oups 20:26:00 <ennael> tmb: 20:26:23 * trishf42 is getting tea, back in a moment 20:26:31 <ennael> leuhmanu: 20:26:39 <leuhmanu> (dl) 20:26:44 <ennael> boklm: 20:27:01 <boklm> miracle v1 20:27:03 <ennael> Max__: 20:27:10 <Max__> v2 20:27:21 <ennael> ennael: 20:27:24 <ennael> v1 20:27:30 <tmb> v1 20:27:42 <leuhmanu> (I'm the only one seeing lot of white in the v1?) 20:27:49 <ennael> yes :) 20:28:00 <Max__> Nope, I see it too. Download from ML. 20:28:03 <MrsB> dl from here http://ge.tt/9soMVeV/v/0?c 20:28:04 <[mbot> [ Miracle_background_for_Mageia_3.tar.gz ] 20:28:24 <leuhmanu> (/me will use wget) 20:28:39 <leuhmanu> (same) 20:29:50 <ennael> synced again it should be better 20:29:56 <ennael> refresh page 20:32:30 <leuhmanu> leuhmanu: v1 20:32:40 * trishf42 is back 20:36:29 <ennael> sorry baby wanted to vote also 20:36:33 <marja> lol 20:36:55 <marja> what did she choose? 20:37:04 <ennael> milk one 20:37:09 <marja> :) 20:37:12 <ennael> ok 20:37:20 <ennael> Max__: your vote ? 20:37:39 <MrsB> he already did 20:37:44 <ennael> oups sorry 20:37:46 <Max__> I voted v2. 20:38:01 <MrsB> maat, doktor5000_ 20:38:30 <ennael> ok so it looks like v1 is the one chosen 20:39:07 <trishf42> 8-) 20:39:11 <Max__> As artwork I find it nicer, but v2 more functional as a desktop background. Can we package both? 20:39:31 <sebsebsebeeepc> not that keen on either of those personallly 20:39:37 <MrsB> I think we should package a selection if possible 20:39:48 <leuhmanu> I guess it can go in -background-extra 20:39:49 <ennael> 6/3 if I'm not wrong 20:39:59 <Max__> Also we (Atelier) need the source images so we can polish up the logo. 20:40:21 <ennael> ok I can ask to have v& as the official one and the others as extra backgrounds 20:40:26 <ennael> is that ok ? 20:40:29 <ennael> v1 20:40:47 <leuhmanu> yep 20:40:49 <Max__> Sounds good to me. 20:40:49 <leuhmanu> :s mageia-theme-extra 20:40:50 <trishf42> yep 20:40:58 <marja> ok 20:41:06 * doktor5000_ comes looking 20:41:15 <doktor5000_> humm? 20:41:17 <marja> hi doktor5000_ 20:41:39 <sebsebsebeeepc> the bubbes/circles or whatver it is on that frst one looks hmm to me, but can change defaut background if don't like enough anyway for the desktop background but I have mainly used the default whilst using Mageia 2 :) 20:41:42 <marja> doktor5000_: MrsB thinks you're in council :) 20:41:51 <MrsB> i did too 20:42:18 * MrsB waves anyway 20:42:19 <ennael> anyway we will never find one liked by everybody 20:42:25 <ennael> ok 20:42:28 <marja> true 20:42:37 <Max__> I think council is the one thing doktor5000_ does NOT do. :P 20:42:41 <MrsB> could we also package the ones people took the time to create from atelier? 20:42:52 * doktor5000_ votes for v1, v2 is also really good but maybe a bit too decent 20:43:01 <ennael> #action Miracle_v1 is the official background to be finalized 20:43:01 <doktor5000_> Max__: yep :) 20:43:17 <Max__> MrsB: we'll need to rebrand those as well. 20:43:20 <ennael> #action other backgrounds and pictures will be used for extra backgrounds 20:43:46 <ennael> atelier, you need to choose some pictures for screensavers 20:43:59 <Max__> How many? 20:44:15 <leuhmanu> (or keep the old ? :D ) 20:44:33 <sebsebsebeeepc> Max__: loads of nice animal ones in the contest, so I guess those ;) 20:44:50 <ennael> we had 9 previously 20:44:55 <ennael> it does not matter really 20:44:59 <MrsB> some 20:45:01 <ennael> I would say 6 to 9 20:45:14 <Max__> Ok, we'll get on that. Deadline? 20:45:24 <sebsebsebeeepc> 10? 20:45:25 <ennael> yesterday ! 20:45:37 <tmb> FOSDEM :) 20:45:39 <ennael> :) 20:45:57 <ennael> it would be nice to have most of the design integrated for beta3 20:45:59 <Max__> Ok, Npvember it is ;P 20:46:15 <sebsebsebeeepc> right lets pick soe in Ateier :) and the number doesn't matter apparantly :d 20:46:19 <ennael> tsss 20:46:28 <MrsB> a slack handful 20:46:46 <ennael> 19th of february 20:46:57 <Max__> Got it. 20:47:48 <ennael> ok so I get all the needed images then atelier it's your turn to integrate it 20:47:53 <tmb> wich means initial graphics should be done ~1 week before as we need to test before releasing beta2 20:47:58 <tmb> beta3* 20:47:59 <ennael> yep 20:48:06 <ennael> well background is quite easy 20:48:13 <ennael> plymouth can be tricky 20:49:00 <ennael> is everything ok for mageia3 artwork ? 20:49:17 <leuhmanu> yep 20:49:25 <leuhmanu> and for the sound ? 20:49:35 <ennael> ? 20:49:46 <ennael> do you want to sing for us ? :) 20:49:53 <marja> oeai has been working on a sound theme 20:50:10 <marja> and jasper made a login and logout sound, too 20:50:11 <ennael> sorry I missed that one 20:50:14 <leuhmanu> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8539 20:50:16 <[mbot> [ Bug 8539 the sound theme ] 20:50:42 <ennael> no sample ? 20:50:55 <leuhmanu> Max__: should maybe know more 20:51:04 * sebsebsebeeepc heard Japer sample and liked 20:51:14 * sebsebsebeeepc heard something from oeai to I think and was ok yeah 20:51:41 <ennael> Max__: ? 20:51:46 <Max__> Um, there's a really long thread on the ML. sebsebsebeeepc followed it better than I did :\ 20:52:07 <sebsebsebeeepc> marja linked to a forum thread with two sounds made by Jasper ilnked to 20:52:27 <sebsebsebeeepc> I heard those, and oei's been mentionng sound stuff etc to here and there on Ateier maling list, with some samples 20:52:29 <ennael> can somebody from atelier mail council ML with a link to the samples we have ? 20:52:38 <ennael> will be easier to manage 20:52:39 <Max__> Wil do. 20:52:47 <ennael> integrating a new sound is quite easy 20:52:49 * sebsebsebeeepc can't emai the council mailing list, since yeah 20:52:59 <leuhmanu> easy ? 20:53:14 <leuhmanu> does all desktop use the same one ? 20:53:16 <ennael> for new session 20:53:19 <ennael> should be 20:53:34 <leuhmanu> only kde use that no ? 20:53:36 <Max__> Forwarded the thread to counci. 20:53:49 <ennael> leuhmanu: should be checked then 20:53:59 <ennael> I must say I've never checked that 20:54:10 <leuhmanu> hehe :) 20:54:21 <leuhmanu> ok let see that after anyway 20:54:24 <ennael> if atelier wants to do it that would be perfect 20:54:27 <ennael> or leuhmanu :) 20:54:39 <ennael> ok 20:54:42 <ennael> anything else ? 20:55:05 <trishf42> I have a couple of things... 20:55:11 <ennael> Max__: your link is broken 20:55:13 <ennael> (for sounds) 20:56:00 <Max__> I gotta go now. But I'll look into it. 20:56:05 <ennael> ok 20:56:10 <ennael> trishf42: about artwork ? 20:56:11 <marja> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4038 and https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4105 20:56:12 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - Sound scheme - need test ] 20:56:15 <MrsB> kde plays sound by default on login, the others don't. It could be just a setting somewhere which needs a default though 20:56:17 <ennael> (we have some other topics) 20:56:23 <trishf42> no, other topics 20:56:28 <ennael> ok :) 20:57:10 <ennael> #topic local communities management 20:57:19 <ennael> #chair trishf42 20:57:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael trishf42 20:57:21 <ennael> ok 20:57:33 <ennael> let see what we can achieve now and for mageia 3 release 20:57:38 <trishf42> gak! what did I do? 20:57:46 <ennael> you are guilty ! :) 20:57:53 * trishf42 cringes 20:58:01 <ennael> I was thinking about a kind of Mageia world tour on mageia blog 20:58:10 <trishf42> ooo... 20:58:10 <ennael> ask communities to introduce themselves 20:58:12 <trishf42> nice. 20:58:22 <ennael> that could help to contact all of them 20:58:25 <ennael> wdyt ? 20:58:36 <trishf42> marja: can we maybe work together on that? 20:59:26 <marja> trishf42: pasmatt volunteered.... I was only trying to find more volunteers....... but it is something very important 20:59:43 <marja> trishf42: if pasmatt can't help, I'll help 21:00:04 <trishf42> yes, but it needs to be co-ordinated - posts will need to be translated, and edited, and put up, as well as contacting everyone 21:00:18 <trishf42> who is pasmatt? 21:00:26 <marja> trishf42: that would mean that I drop other things 21:00:54 <marja> trishf42: an italian packager 21:01:01 <MrsB> mateo passotti iinm (excuse spelling) 21:01:01 <trishf42> if you email me pasmatt's contact, I'll get in touch 21:01:09 <marja> trishf42: he'll be at fosdem :) 21:01:13 <marja> trishf42: OK 21:01:21 <ennael> matteo ? 21:01:23 <trishf42> alas, I won't be at fosdem 21:01:35 <trishf42> I'll contact him, see what we can get started. 21:01:49 <trishf42> Who is overseeing communities right now, or is that chair empty? 21:01:52 <ennael> can we have a wiki page to prepare this ? 21:02:03 <ennael> list communities, mail sent, what to ask... 21:02:38 <trishf42> There's a wiki page up that oliver did, we could use that 21:03:06 <ennael> yep 21:03:37 <trishf42> okay, I'll get started on that, report at next meeting 21:03:41 <ennael> just to be sure we will have it ready in time and not loose it :) 21:03:46 <ennael> great thanks trishf42 21:04:13 <ennael> #action trishf42 will manage Mageia world tour of communities 21:04:18 <marja> :) 21:04:46 <ennael> that is a first step but preparing it will allow us to create closer contacts 21:05:12 <ennael> second point is to see with them how we can prepare mageia 3 release 21:05:20 <ennael> events, announcements, ... 21:05:43 <ennael> that can be also proposed when working on the tour 21:06:03 <trishf42> I can do press release stuff like for the last release, but it would be good to co-ordinate with local communities to do more 21:06:14 <ennael> yep 21:06:31 <ennael> ask them how they dealt with previous releases, what they need... 21:06:34 <trishf42> I'll talk with Matteo about it, see what we can come up with. 21:06:56 <ennael> just remind them we do not have a millionnaire as donator :) 21:07:04 <trishf42> 8-) 21:07:07 <sebsebsebeeepc> world tour thing what's that exactly? also in most counteris at the moment there hardly is a Magiea community 21:07:12 <sebsebsebeeepc> at the moment 21:07:27 <ennael> even if we have 3 of them it's nice 21:07:47 <trishf42> virtual world tour, sebsebsebeeepc; online. 21:07:53 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Working_with_local_communities 21:07:55 <ennael> as a reminder 21:08:13 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: you mean like the globe and showing where Mageia communites are or something? 21:08:14 <trishf42> people doing local things, reporting online 21:08:54 <trishf42> You can do something in the UK, for instance, and we'll report on it; they might do something in Italy - let me talk to Matteo and come back to the lists. 21:09:10 <ennael> ok anything else on that subject 21:09:11 <sebsebsebeeepc> oh the local community pages on the site 21:09:13 <sebsebsebeeepc> ? 21:09:16 <sebsebsebeeepc> secitions 21:10:11 <ennael> ok anything else on that subject? 21:10:19 <marja> not here 21:10:20 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: are you on local discuss mailing list? I assume so 21:10:21 <trishf42> no - let us come up with ideas and come back in a few days. 21:10:29 <trishf42> yes 21:10:31 * ennael has some scrumbs under ? and 1 keys 21:10:38 <marja> :) 21:10:40 <trishf42> ennael: eeeuw 21:10:40 <ennael> ok 21:10:47 <sebsebsebeeepc> ok end meeting 21:10:50 <ennael> nope 21:10:55 <MrsB> one word, local communities might prefer forums to ml's 21:10:59 <ennael> trishf42: you had some more topics ? 21:11:07 <trishf42> damn, I hate forums, they're slow 21:11:14 <trishf42> yes - couple of topics. 21:11:19 <trishf42> can I go ahead? 21:11:22 <sebsebsebeeepc> local comunites should have their own section on http://mageia.org 21:11:24 <[mbot> [ Home of the Mageia project ] 21:11:27 <ennael> yep do not forget #topic 21:11:29 <sebsebsebeeepc> and a section on the forum to 21:11:42 <trishf42> #topic secure boot query 21:11:45 <sebsebsebeeepc> and IRC channels yep, and their own site if they really want to 21:11:58 <leuhmanu> (there is already) 21:12:07 <trishf42> We had a query from a journalist - forwarded to council ml - about our position on secure boot. 21:12:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> for IRC channels for a lot of them yep 21:12:14 <ennael> sebsebsebeeepc: please 21:12:27 <trishf42> I need to answer that today - sebsebsebeeepc shush a minute! - so, what is our official position? 21:12:43 <trishf42> To include that as a topic for discussion for Mageia 4? 21:13:01 <ennael> tmb, boklm ? 21:13:06 <sebsebsebeeepc> yes I was done with that and saw the thing about secure boot contine :) 21:13:08 <ennael> you answered on it 21:14:03 <ennael> trishf42: you killed them all :) 21:14:11 <trishf42> Heh 21:14:19 <trishf42> And from so far away, too... 21:14:26 <leuhmanu> (well only 2 of us have a response) 21:14:28 <tmb> yep, there is no rush in supporting secureboot, let others try the gazillon options, and we review it during mga4 features planning 21:14:51 <ennael> anyway it's much too short for mageia 3 21:14:58 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep that's what I thought Magea was going to do, look at others first, and then do soething for Mageia later 21:15:14 <trishf42> okay, so: we won't be implementing anything in Mageia3, we will put it up as a feature for discussion for Mageia4. 21:15:18 <trishf42> okay? 21:15:25 <MrsB> yep 21:15:28 <tmb> yep, and secureboot is not taking of like ms wants as win8 sales is not taking of either... 21:16:19 <trishf42> okay, anything more from anyone on that? 21:16:39 <ennael> nope 21:16:44 <sebsebsebeeepc> nope 21:17:02 <MrsB> keep it short and simple 21:17:35 <trishf42> #agreed there will be no implementation of Secure Boot in Mageia 3, but it will be considered when planning features for Mageia 4. 21:17:57 <trishf42> I have one more topic - no flames please till I explain! 21:18:14 <trishf42> #topic moderation of the G+ Mageia community 21:18:46 <trishf42> I asked this question on the ml, and I've been shot down for suggesting it. What I want from the council is a yes or no 21:19:01 <trishf42> since I haven't actually done anything on the community itself, and I won't 21:19:08 <trishf42> unless everyone agrees. 21:19:26 <MrsB> i'll have to abstain as I have no idea really what a G+ community is 21:19:30 <trishf42> It's my view that the G+ community is part of the official Mageia online presence 21:19:46 <trishf42> and that posts about other distros (among other things) are off-topic; 21:20:02 <trishf42> also, it might be wise to plan for moderating flamey posts 21:20:17 <trishf42> so I put together some suggested guidelines 21:20:43 <trishf42> to see whether people agreed 21:21:06 <trishf42> Does anyone need a link? 21:21:13 <MrsB> yes pls 21:21:36 <trishf42> http://piratepad.net/oIb38Pf98E 21:21:40 <[mbot> [ PiratePad: oIb38Pf98E ] 21:22:03 <trishf42> G+ community is here https://plus.google.com/communities/112789769804302351557 21:23:41 <trishf42> The post that raised this question is here: https://plus.google.com/115712626328624523549/posts/ecyT2ZuUqdY 21:24:12 <trishf42> It's water under the bridge now, but there could be other times when guidelines could be useful. 21:25:10 <ennael> on my side I have already answered on ML 21:25:18 <ennael> and I'm 100% for it 21:25:27 <sebsebsebeeepc> I am not on the council, but have been following the emails about Google+ that i read and I agree other distros shoudn't really be mentioned in it, unless with proper reason, with the exception of a general any topic kind of space if there is one. and so yeah that community should be treated as an offical one as well 21:26:36 <trishf42> Aside from keeping our space Mageia-centric, seems to me that someone searching for information on another distro wouldn't expect to find it in a Mageia space... 21:26:47 <sebsebsebeeepc> Also personally I don't have much interest in Google+ 21:27:17 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: yep agreed, they would usually go to one for that distro 21:27:18 <sebsebsebeeepc> instead 21:28:02 <MrsB> i think the guidelines are appropriate, from what I can see. Not fimiliar with the working of G+ and how communities link together though 21:28:14 <MrsB> -i+a 21:28:55 * boklm agrees with the suggested guidelines 21:29:05 <marja> Before the incident, I would have been OK with those guidelines, but I can't vote "for" now 21:29:11 <MrsB> you could always ask the G+ community what they think :) 21:29:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: i agree with the suggested guidelines as well, but well not up to me. 21:29:29 <MrsB> why not marja? 21:29:36 <tmb> yep, I do agree G+ community is part of official pages, and I think the suggested guidelines are ok 21:29:51 <trishf42> At the moment, the Mageia community on G+ only has 249 members, compared with the Linux general communities which have thousands. 21:29:53 <marja> MrsB: Bequimão didn't report back 21:30:04 <MrsB> ahh i see 21:30:20 <trishf42> When help/support requests come in, I'm currently pointing them at forums/mls, where there are more people to help 21:30:34 <marja> MrsB: the only thing I know, is that the one who posted that message, is very important to the Brazilian Mageia community 21:31:09 <marja> MrsB: and that he felt like a rejected brother 21:31:12 <trishf42> marja: it's a great shame that he didn't take Sander's gentle comment in the spirit in which it was intended 21:31:43 <trishf42> the main thing is, let's try to do something that will help that not to happen again. 21:32:10 <marja> trishf42: well, he (and some other Brazilians, too) don't understand what was wrong 21:32:52 <MrsB> we do have to 'enable' rather than 'manage' the wider community. Guidelines can be a good thing in enabling that but leniancy can too 21:32:55 <trishf42> marja: I realise that. It seems like the more we try to explain, the worse it gets. 21:33:40 <trishf42> I understand that some of the Brazilians work on multiple distros; but to publicise what they're releasing, they need to be aware of their audience. 21:34:09 <trishf42> G+ is global, not just Brazilian - that post would have been confusing for more people than it would have been helpful 21:34:10 <marja> trishf42: for that reason, I'd rather choose another solution: when someone posts something like that again, make new posts so that that one disappears to the bottom of the list fast 21:34:20 <trishf42> quite aside from it being a bit rude... 21:34:21 <MrsB> could we water down the wording in the guidelines for that particular thing, the They dont belong here bit? 21:34:41 <trishf42> sure! 21:35:07 <trishf42> I put it on a piratepad so people could make edits... 21:35:15 <MrsB> ok 21:35:32 * maat 's there 21:36:41 <trishf42> I could perhaps mention that most very active communities have a set of guidelines similar to these. 21:37:38 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: true they do 21:37:44 <ennael> indeed but at a point guidelines are necessary 21:37:49 <trishf42> The point I wanted to make at the start is: I don't expect the council to say yes, go ahead. I really just want a go/no go from the council. 21:37:55 <ennael> so we have to communicate on it 21:37:59 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: on the subject of guidelies eventualy going to need them probaby like this, for IRC and the forum and such to 21:38:24 <trishf42> Do we not have guidelines in the forums? 21:38:31 <trishf42> I don't go there often 21:38:42 <marja> they're in the wiki 21:38:45 <trishf42> MrsB: that change looks good 21:38:50 <MrsB> You could ask the G+ community to approve the guidelines 21:38:58 <MrsB> see what they think of them 21:39:04 <trishf42> marja: not a sticky post on the forums themselves? 21:39:11 <MrsB> having guidelines is not a bad thing in itself 21:39:12 <ennael> MrsB: well we can ask half of the earth 21:39:14 <sebsebsebeeepc> IRC doesn't really have any proper guidelines yet as far as I know. olorin and me came up with some before, but no one wanted it at the time 21:39:18 <sebsebsebeeepc> or whatever 21:39:20 <ennael> do we really need it? 21:39:30 <ennael> (I thought we already had some for forums...) 21:39:33 <marja> trishf42: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Forum_Rules 21:39:40 <ennael> every forums have some guidelines 21:39:41 <MrsB> if people feel involved they're less likely to feel managed. 21:39:58 <ennael> ML should have also, like irC 21:39:59 <trishf42> MrsB: The problem with doing that is that the G+ community isn't closed - any man and his dog can join and vote. I think this is really an official Mageia thing, if it happens. 21:40:19 <marja> trishf42: There must be a link to them, probably sticky 21:41:01 <marja> trishf42: https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2 21:41:02 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - Rules to follow while using the forum ] 21:41:37 <ennael> ahah 21:41:43 <ennael> maat: bad boy ! :) 21:42:10 <trishf42> 8-) 21:42:54 <trishf42> okay, so can I ask for a vote on the actual use of guidelines, and if it's a yes, then on the text as amended by MrsB? 21:43:01 <ennael> yep 21:43:20 <trishf42> do we want to use guidelines on the G+ community? 21:43:33 <sebsebsebeeepc> probably 21:43:44 <sebsebsebeeepc> some people who use it may not like that though 21:43:49 <MrsB> guidelines are good, moderation should be light though 21:44:04 <maat> :-/ 21:44:26 <ennael> can we vote? 21:44:27 <trishf42> MrsB: different question, but point taken 21:44:51 <MrsB> yes for guidelines :) 21:45:27 <tmb> yes for guidelines. 21:45:31 <ennael> yes for guidelines 21:45:48 <sebsebsebeeepc> not on council, but yes for guidelines 21:45:49 <boklm> yes for guidelines 21:46:02 * maat follows the group 21:46:28 * marja can't vote 21:46:31 <trishf42> is that everyone? 21:46:45 <trishf42> marja: yes you can - a no vote is perfectly ok! 21:46:50 <sebsebsebeeepc> Max isn't here,, but would probably vote yes 21:46:54 <ennael> trishf42: indeed 21:46:55 <sebsebsebeeepc> rda would probably vote ys to 21:47:14 <trishf42> nonono sebsebsebeeepc, you can't second-guess like that! 21:47:14 <marja> trishf42: OK, a no for me then 21:47:24 <sebsebsebeeepc> trishf42: oh ok 21:47:26 <sebsebsebeeepc> heh heh 21:47:51 <trishf42> marja: your position is completely valid, and I respect it 21:48:03 <trishf42> we just disagree on this one 21:48:24 <marja> trishf42: OK 21:49:02 <trishf42> is that all of us? (I vote yes, in case anyone was wondering) 21:49:07 <marja> lol 21:49:08 <ennael> :) 21:49:17 <ennael> add an action ? 21:49:28 <trishf42> nother vote first! 21:49:41 <trishf42> Is everyone happy with the guidelines as they stand? 21:49:54 <trishf42> see the piratepad for MrsB's corrections 21:50:42 <tmb> yep, they are ok 21:50:47 <boklm> yes too 21:50:50 <ennael> yep 21:51:06 <MrsB> yep here 21:51:16 <trishf42> MrsB: 8-) nicely done 21:51:22 <MrsB> :) 21:51:23 <marja> MrsB: thx for the correction.... but I still vote no 21:51:56 <MrsB> It's healthy to disagree on stuff 21:52:01 <marja> :) 21:52:01 <trishf42> is that everyone? 21:52:06 <marja> maat: ? 21:52:16 <ennael> others are sleeping or eating :) 21:52:23 <marja> leuhmanu: ? 21:52:24 <trishf42> I wish I was sleeping... 21:52:33 <marja> trishf42: lol 21:52:36 <tmb> so 4 explicit yes, 1 follows group, 1 no. 21:52:49 <leuhmanu> (sleeping indeed, so white sorry) 21:52:51 <trishf42> tmb: thanks, my counting brain is offline 21:53:09 <ennael> ok so let's close this meeting if it's ok or trishf42 will fell asleep on her keyboard 21:53:24 <trishf42> so I think we have concensus: guidelines up, in their current form. 21:53:47 <trishf42> #action trishf42 to put guidelines up on G+ as corrected by MrsB. 21:53:55 <MrsB> we made two decisions tonight :O 21:54:14 <trishf42> And the rest! We're very productive. 21:54:20 <marja> :) 21:54:22 <trishf42> I'm done! 21:54:38 <ennael> \o/ 21:54:45 <ennael> so thanks all for attending 21:54:46 <MrsB> nite trishf42 21:54:52 <trishf42> nitr MrsB 21:54:56 <ennael> and see you in FOSDEM for those going there 21:54:56 <trishf42> dammit 21:55:01 <trishf42> morning MrsB 21:55:06 <ennael> #endmeeting