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20:07:21 <ennael> #chair tmb
20:07:21 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael tmb
20:07:33 * tmb got a chair :)
20:07:41 <MrsB> woooo!
20:07:42 <ennael> yeah matches included
20:08:03 * tmb can finally sit down...
20:08:06 <ennael> so what I propose is to speak about dev release and FOSDEM
20:08:09 <ennael> is it ok ?
20:08:17 <tmb> yep
20:08:25 <ennael> ok let's go
20:08:28 <MrsB> fine here, best to wait for more voices for community things
20:08:43 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 beta 2 release
20:08:48 <ennael> hell on earth
20:08:57 <MrsB> again
20:09:18 <ennael> that is a real release including server failure :)
20:09:29 <ennael> tmb: any clue on what happened to rabbit ?
20:09:44 <tmb> ennael: nope, not so far
20:10:16 <ennael> ok
20:10:18 <MrsB> maybe a dns thing, it happened before it was only accessible by ip
20:11:18 <tmb> MrsB: well, it did not respond to ip either :/
20:11:24 <ennael> so we are building what may be the last set of isos for qa
20:11:25 <MrsB> eek :\
20:11:30 <ennael> (cross fingers)
20:11:41 <ennael> live isos are available
20:11:49 <ennael> other one will come tonight also
20:12:01 <ennael> tmb: some words on usb pb ?
20:12:44 <tmb> well, it was a miss by me :/
20:13:54 <ennael> bah it's fixed now so we should not have any pb using usb devices for installation media
20:14:03 <MrsB> it's why we do qa though so don't beat yourself up
20:14:04 <tmb> I missed that kernel 3.8 splitted up the ehci-hcd driver so I forgot to updated drakx-installer-* and dracut to cope with it
20:14:19 <ennael> ok
20:14:33 <ennael> is it worth to mention it in release notes ?
20:14:37 <tmb> but that is all now fixed, so it should work nively now
20:15:31 <tmb> I dont think it's needed.. kernel/udev autoloading will take care of loading the right modules
20:15:43 <ennael> ok
20:16:22 <ennael> btw release notes may need some love
20:16:26 <tmb> since it works normally for all that upgraded kernels in cauldron, but our installer needed to be made aware of the split
20:16:28 <ennael> I've started it last week
20:17:10 <MrsB> can you give a link ennael
20:17:48 <ennael> yep
20:17:49 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_beta2
20:18:00 <MrsB> thanks
20:18:22 <ennael> I updated the main versions, it may need some more details
20:18:58 <MrsB> I'll check for frenglish tomorrow
20:19:22 <ennael> well modifying version number should not use so many frenglish
20:19:24 <ennael> I hope :)
20:20:12 <ennael> MrsB: how is it going on QA side ?
20:20:33 <MrsB> we've been a bit hampered by the USB bugs
20:20:55 <MrsB> we've had a good number of testers this time though
20:21:25 <ennael> nice to hear
20:21:43 <ennael> were you able to have some tests on upgrade
20:21:44 <ennael> ?
20:21:45 <MrsB> hopefully we'll be able to get a good look at it on real hardware starting tomorrow
20:22:11 <MrsB> not so far, not for this release. It has been lightly tested in the past
20:22:44 <sebsebseb> hi
20:22:57 <ennael> can we plan this?
20:23:06 <ennael> wether now or after release is out ?
20:23:13 <MrsB> The main problem we've had is with things becoming les stable
20:23:32 <MrsB> we've had major bugs which have restricted the amount of testing we can do
20:24:28 <MrsB> fingers x'd now with version freeze we should be able to look more toward bugfixes rather than major changes
20:24:52 <ennael> ok great
20:25:11 <MrsB> depending on mga2 workload we may be able to set aside a few days for upgrade testign between releases
20:25:34 <ennael> I will write a short post on blog to announce delay on beta2 and the reasons for it
20:25:40 <ennael> to let people know
20:25:48 <schultz> artwork permitting, I might be able to do an upgrade test or two
20:25:58 <ennael> MrsB: if you can have a look on frenglish :)
20:26:06 <MrsB> please join us in #mageia-qa schultz
20:26:08 <tmb> "we decided to do a 'fedora' " ...
20:26:12 <ennael> \o/
20:26:27 <MrsB> i'll de-frenglish the release notes yes
20:26:32 <MrsB> oh blog, sorry yes
20:26:35 <ennael> :)
20:26:42 <ennael> thanks
20:26:47 <MrsB> np :)
20:26:54 <ennael> tmb: want to add something on this release ?
20:27:47 <sebsebseb> schultz: have you been following what's been going on, on the council mailing list, regarding artwork? I have
20:28:16 <ennael> sebsebseb: please meeting is in progress
20:28:18 <tmb> well, we could point out the broadcom test in beta2...
20:28:39 <MrsB> good idea
20:28:40 <ennael> tmb: can you give some more details ?
20:28:45 <ennael> for the announcement
20:30:03 <tmb> well, we have dropped references to the proprietary broadcom driver in order to be able to test how the free drivers in upstream linus kernel work for everyone...
20:30:18 <ennael> ok so basically largest tests needed
20:30:39 <tmb> depending on the tests, we might add it back for some hw...
20:30:45 <ennael> ok
20:30:48 <leuhmanu> seems we have currently more "wifi issue" than only bcm
20:31:35 <MrsB> is that cauldron bugs leuhmanu, i see there have been some mga2 kernel regressions
20:31:47 <leuhmanu> (but for me it's to much confusing)
20:31:57 <leuhmanu> only with one trl
20:31:59 <leuhmanu> rtl
20:33:21 <tmb> seems NM is still screwing up atleast for some people :/
20:35:38 <ennael> leuhmanu: any bug report ?
20:36:18 <leuhmanu> a specific id, I don't one here but they are reported
20:36:26 <leuhmanu> don't have one*
20:37:06 <tmb> 8756, 8758 for cauldron
20:38:00 <tmb> 8754 for mga2
20:38:18 <ennael> they are all about NM ?
20:38:59 <tmb> nope, wireless bugs
20:39:45 <ennael> mmm we could post some mails on -dev on specific topics and bugs
20:39:46 <tmb> I saw some comments of using drakx-net fixed issues for some
20:40:06 <ennael> first one could be that one and ask for all people able to work on it
20:40:20 <ennael> basically you tmb, pterjan, blino maybe some others
20:41:38 <ennael> wdyt ?
20:41:49 <ennael> (they are all sleeping or eating :p)
20:42:09 <leuhmanu> yep
20:42:15 <tmb> yep... some problems seem to be tracked upstream.. iirc I saw a discussion about ath9k problems
20:42:36 <ennael> ok. volunteer to post about it?
20:42:41 <leuhmanu> personnaly I have no time (also to keep eyes on bugs :/)
20:42:48 <ennael> humpf
20:43:38 <tmb> yeah, I need to review them, but that will probably be tomorrow
20:43:58 <ennael> no pb it can wait a day
20:44:16 <ennael> what would be the next topic we could push on -dev ?
20:44:22 <ennael> if you see any just now
20:46:17 <ennael> ok well let think about it in coming days
20:46:24 <ennael> anything else to add on release ?
20:46:42 <MrsB> none here
20:47:04 <MrsB> could you email qa-discuss when they're ready please
20:47:13 <MrsB> next build i mean
20:47:14 <tmb> well, ask people to help fix the last 260+ packages to get rebuild to 100% http://pkgsubmit.mageia.org/autobuild/
20:47:16 <ennael> ah ok
20:47:27 <ennael> yep will mail about it tonight
20:49:31 <ennael> ok next topic before everybody leave :)
20:49:51 <ennael> #topic #topic FOSDEM 2013
20:50:03 <tmb> beer festival
20:50:06 <MrsB> lol
20:50:12 <ennael> :)
20:50:28 <ennael> as a reminder https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2013
20:50:40 <ennael> to register on various items
20:50:48 <MrsB> I'll send a reminder to qa ML
20:51:15 <ennael> so dealing woth organization we will have some new goodies for these 2 days
20:51:25 <ennael> tee-shirts and stickers
20:51:51 <MrsB> will they be available to people not at fosdem?
20:51:57 * MrsB wants
20:52:09 <ennael> well we can manage to send it
20:52:21 <ennael> as sebsebseb is coming maybe he can take some for you
20:52:45 <MrsB> that would be great, i'll ask him
20:52:48 <MrsB> thankyou :)
20:53:10 <MrsB> what are the prices?
20:53:18 <ennael> about general assembly we still have no news from FOSDEM organization to have a room for it
20:53:26 <ennael> so it may happen on booth
20:53:32 <tmb> 1000€  a pop :)
20:53:35 <ennael> :)
20:53:45 <MrsB> that's your ber bill :P
20:53:47 <MrsB> beer
20:54:05 <ennael> MrsB: 10€ as a minimum then you are free to give what you want
20:55:12 <tmb> MrsB: ah that explains why I cant find a Mageia shirt here at home... :)
20:55:37 <MrsB> you didn't look in the fridge :D
20:55:51 <ennael> vote will happen later after FOSDEM, using electronic vote
20:56:22 <schultz> are there images of the t-shirts somewhere?
20:56:39 <ennael> not yet as we don't have them yet
20:58:20 <ennael> any question on organization ?
20:58:53 <tmb> nope
20:59:23 <ennael> ok that's all for our topics. Pending one will be discussed next week
21:00:13 <MrsB> thankyou ennael
21:00:27 <ennael> thanks all for attending :)
21:00:32 <ennael> now back to release hell :)
21:01:15 <MrsB> yippee /o\
21:01:23 <ennael> #endmeeting