20:10:09 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:10:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jan 7 20:10:09 2013 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:10:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:10:28 <ennael> #chair tmb trishf42 20:10:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael tmb trishf42 20:10:43 <ennael> hi all and again happy new year 20:10:58 <marja> again thx :) 20:11:08 <MrsB> morning, thankyou, you too :) 20:11:13 <trishf42> thanks and happy new year to all 8-) 20:11:20 <leuhmanu> happy new year all 20:11:28 <obgr_seneca> hi and happy new year to all of you 20:11:36 <ennael> #topic blog post for 2013 20:11:39 <marja> happy newyear all that I missed 20:11:45 <ennael> so let's be naughty now 20:11:56 * MrsB doesn't know how 20:11:59 <ennael> we are still waiting for blog post about new year wishes 20:12:16 <ennael> either atelier can do it or we propose ourself a post to be proofread 20:12:37 <trishf42> Did anyone add anything to my headings? Haven't been over there in 2 weeks 20:13:04 <Max__> Could you re-link it? 20:13:09 * marja thinks trishf42 writes great posts 20:13:20 <ennael> http://bn.parinux.org/p/2013_wishes 20:13:21 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ] 20:13:51 <Max__> Well, that answers that question... 20:13:54 <trishf42> ah, okay 20:13:54 <ennael> I'd like to post new planning after this one 20:14:29 <ennael> not much :( 20:14:36 <trishf42> 8-) 20:14:51 <trishf42> Can someone put up the dates for FOSDEM on the post? 20:15:24 <obgr_seneca> Feb 02nd - 3rd 20:16:27 <ennael> we have a booth there 20:16:36 <trishf42> ok 20:16:37 <coincoin> hello all 20:16:43 <trishf42> hi coincoin 20:16:47 <MrsB> morning coincoin 20:16:50 <marja> hi coincoin 20:17:19 <ennael> trishf42: when can you write this blog post (as it seems you have been chosen for it...) 20:17:38 <leuhmanu> it was not already done ? 20:17:40 <trishf42> I'll get it done while we're meeting 20:17:54 <leuhmanu> I saw some thread on the atelier ml for 2 weeks 20:18:17 <ennael> trishf42: thanks for that 20:18:30 <ennael> leuhmanu: not very successfull 20:18:52 <leuhmanu> oh ok sorry 20:19:34 <ennael> ok next topic then 20:19:38 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 development planning and review 20:20:19 <ennael> so as freeze dates were approaching I've mailed council for a new planning 20:20:32 <ennael> it has been announced on i18n and dev 20:20:47 <ennael> MrsB dit it for QA 20:20:48 <sebsebseb> hi 20:20:55 <ennael> did 20:21:11 <ennael> still we need a blog post byt the end of this week 20:21:25 <ennael> we need now team leaders to manage this planning 20:21:36 <ennael> freeze deadlines and releases 20:21:53 <obgr_seneca> will do! 20:21:57 <leuhmanu> quick question, no need to debate about that again, but I guess we will stay on gnome3.6 ? 20:21:59 <obgr_seneca> Am back aboard 20:21:59 <ennael> maybe explain again what does it mean 20:22:08 <ennael> obgr_seneca: welcome back :) 20:22:14 <obgr_seneca> ennael: thx 20:22:15 <leuhmanu> (so I can close a bug) 20:22:24 <ennael> leuhmanu: ? 20:22:50 <leuhmanu> will have gnome3.8 or gnome3.6 on mga3 20:23:39 <marja> it is about https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8334 20:23:41 <[mbot> [ Bug 8334 Gnome update 3.8 ? ] 20:23:54 <rindolf> Hi all. 20:24:01 <ennael> we have already answered about it 20:24:12 <ennael> we will provide rc version and update after release is out 20:24:13 <MrsB> hi rindolf 20:24:28 <sebsebseb> ennael: Mageia 3 will get updated to GNOME 3.8 after release? 20:24:34 <leuhmanu> hum, I never saw that ok 20:24:38 <leuhmanu> thanks 20:24:55 <ennael> this is what we always did in mdv as there are not many changes at this stage 20:25:06 <leuhmanu> (strange but ok no need to debate again an agin) 20:25:13 <leuhmanu> ok 20:25:25 <sebsebseb> just to be clear :) Mageia 3 will be released with GNOME 3.6, but then after release get updated to GNOME 3.8? 20:25:39 <ennael> please read again backlog 20:25:45 <ennael> we should have 3.8 rc x 20:26:05 <leuhmanu> I'm fine with that, thanks 20:26:07 <sebsebseb> oh ok nice :) the dev version and then updated to final 20:26:40 <tmb> hm, I guess we need to give ovitters version freeze submission powers then 20:26:45 <ennael> so team leaders we need to explain again what is release process until final release 20:26:48 <ennael> tmb: yep 20:26:57 <ennael> especially for ,new comers 20:27:16 <ennael> should be part of your coming meetings 20:27:39 <ennael> MrsB: we will need also to speak about isos tests for coming releases 20:27:52 <MrsB> yes, we need to start soon 20:27:56 <ennael> it's becoming crucial now to follow it carefully 20:28:05 <trishf42> speaking of coming releases - is there an updated set of dates anywhere? 20:28:11 <ennael> on wiki 20:28:19 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_development#Development_Planning 20:29:05 <trishf42> I saw mention on the ml, but the wiki doesn't have dates for anything past Beta 1 20:29:20 <trishf42> Use the dates from the email? 20:29:28 <ennael> ? 20:29:52 <ennael> trishf42: wiki is up to date 20:30:04 <trishf42> gaah, sorry, looking at wrong side 20:30:14 <ennael> :) 20:30:23 <ennael> some more champagne for trishf42 please 20:30:39 <MrsB> We planned for a VM image after final release IINM which isn't planned on the wiki 20:30:44 <trishf42> nonono! it's early morning! I need tea. 20:30:55 <ennael> MrsB: yep you are right 20:31:08 <ennael> how much time do you need for tests ? 20:31:48 <MrsB> We'll be about dead after release so leave it a month, same as between releases 20:32:22 <MrsB> it'll give us a chance to try and get caught up with updates again 20:32:23 <ennael> so 2d of may ? 20:32:33 <MrsB> yep sure 20:32:51 <ennael> ok adding it 20:34:20 <ennael> added 20:34:52 <ennael> about beta2 release, it's planned for 18th of january 20:34:58 <ennael> I will start isos on friday 20:35:07 <ennael> tmb ? 20:35:15 <MrsB> I'll start revving the team up then 20:35:34 <ennael> well first isos should be available for this we 20:36:19 <tmb> ennael: sounds good. I'll drop rabbit from BS then so we get the host free for iso builds 20:36:30 <ennael> ok 20:37:35 <MrsB> fingers x'd it's smoother then beta1 20:37:38 <ennael> I will send an email tonight about version freeze 20:38:00 <tmb> I'm not sure yet if I'll push 3.8-rc kernel yet for beta2, but I'll decide that before we start iso builds 20:38:09 <ennael> ok 20:38:24 <ennael> I've heard there was some big trouble with network in 3.7 20:39:22 <ennael> obgr_seneca: can you also send a reminder about version freeze on i18n ? 20:39:29 <obgr_seneca> yep 20:39:39 <obgr_seneca> will do right now 20:39:40 <tmb> yep, but they seem to have nailed it down now, so either I'll do a new 3.7 for beta2 or 3.8-rc wich does not show the problem 20:39:54 <ennael> ok 20:39:55 <MrsB> obgr_seneca: can I put you down for some iso testing again? 20:40:07 <leuhmanu> I guess you will have some issue for iso since LibO is not great working 20:40:13 <obgr_seneca> MrsB: beginning the weekend? 20:40:20 <obgr_seneca> I think so 20:40:21 <MrsB> at some stage most likely yes 20:40:47 <MrsB> I won't have much time at the weekend, get more time during the week 20:41:06 <obgr_seneca> Since I'm switching my job on February 1st, I don't think I will work too many long hours the next weeks 20:41:23 <marja> obgr_seneca: congrats :) 20:41:32 <tmb> leuhmanu: well meta-task does nop pull LO right now, but maybe we will get it fixed for isos... 20:41:32 <MrsB> yeah nice 20:41:40 <tmb> not* 20:42:16 <ennael> ok anything else to add on that topic ? 20:42:50 <MrsB> nothing here 20:42:55 <marja> ennael: will for docteam things be the same as fro mageia 2? 20:43:12 <ennael> marja: meaning ? 20:43:46 <marja> ennael: being able to commit documentation and have it packaged after freeze 20:43:59 <ennael> yep this does not hurt 20:44:05 <marja> ennael: great :) 20:44:10 <ennael> and we still have a huge work on it 20:44:18 <marja> exactly 20:44:37 <ennael> but we will think about a final deadline 20:44:43 <marja> OK 20:45:21 <ennael> ok next topic then 20:45:27 <ennael> oh I forgot 20:45:45 <ennael> we will focus in coming weeks on release_critical bugs 20:46:00 <marja> OK 20:46:03 <obgr_seneca> ok 20:46:20 <ennael> I'd like tmb and guillomovitch to help me slapping packagers and testers so that we can fix as many as possible not waiting the week before final release 20:46:30 <ennael> free matches for them :) 20:46:36 <marja> grinz 20:46:39 <MrsB> https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard_type=regexp&status_whiteboard=^3&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED 20:46:45 * obgr_seneca is hiding behind a large water bottle 20:47:09 <ennael> leuhmanu: we will have a look on list also to try to check wether it's really release critical or not 20:47:31 <leuhmanu> sure 20:47:41 <ennael> ok next topic 20:47:44 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 Artwork 20:48:03 <ennael> let's try to solve that issue... 20:48:13 <Max__> Oh yes, let's. :) 20:48:16 <ennael> :) 20:48:29 <ennael> so Max__ mailed council about background 20:48:57 <ennael> while we have some nice pictures for additional backgrounds we have a real pb about official background 20:49:32 <MrsB> I played with blender this afternoon https://dl.dropbox.com/u/4147101/mageia-artwork-3d.png 20:49:38 <ennael> even if it's quite a subjective question, I really think the one that have been proposed are not good enough for official background 20:50:25 <obgr_seneca> yep 20:50:46 <ennael> boklm proposed one from KDE-look web site 20:50:46 <obgr_seneca> none can copete against mga 2 background 20:50:49 <sebsebseb> yep seems those of us in Atelier in general, aren't that keen on the proposed backgrounds either 20:51:07 <sebsebseb> the one boklm showed is liked though it seems 20:51:12 <ennael> http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/156093-mageia.png 20:51:45 <ennael> so either we try to reach this guy or we can also try to ask the guy who made the one for Mageia 2 20:52:03 <ennael> wdyt ? 20:52:10 <MrsB> can't help thinking it's a bit dull, the kde-look one. Nice but not very exciting. 20:52:23 <obgr_seneca> I'd contact the guy from mga2 one first, I like that better still 20:52:28 <trishf42> MrsB: have to agree. Professinal, but boring 20:52:33 <ennael> :) 20:52:44 * tmb agrees wit obgr_seneca 20:52:45 <trishf42> Our designer seems to have melted away... 20:52:47 <Max__> DOnald said he would try and reach the guy from KDE-look. 20:52:50 <ennael> are you all ok to contact the guy for mageia 2 background ? 20:52:56 <MrsB> yep 20:52:57 <trishf42> yes 20:52:58 <sebsebseb> yep the one boklm showed looks more pro 20:52:59 <marja> yep 20:53:01 <Max__> Yes. 20:53:19 <ennael> ok I will mail him then and try to see if he can help on this 20:53:41 <Max__> Just to clarify: the guy who made the original artwork, not the stolen one, right? 20:53:54 <obgr_seneca> yep 20:54:02 <ennael> of course 20:54:20 <trishf42> Hey, I've put text in that blog post - what do people think? http://bn.parinux.org/p/2013_wishes if you´ re not on there already 20:54:22 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ] 20:54:32 <Max__> Wow, I've never commissioned artwork from a pro before... 20:55:15 <marja> trishf42: nice :) 20:55:41 <trishf42> Max__: maybe he'll join the team! 20:55:46 <ennael> ok I'll you keep you informed on council 20:55:52 <Max__> One could only hope... 20:56:02 <Max__> trishf42: re blog post: maybe link to some of the positive review? 20:56:10 <ennael> #topic FOSDEM organization and general assembly 20:56:16 <sebsebseb> trishf42: yep looks good, not sure if Mageia was in the top 10 all year, but I guess so 20:56:19 <trishf42> Max__: ok! 20:56:29 <trishf42> sebsebseb: check the links 20:56:34 <ennael> so FOSDEM is coming again 20:56:44 <ennael> people going there ? 20:56:46 <obgr_seneca> I can do the booth organization for FOSDEM again 20:56:48 <sebsebseb> yep I am :) 20:56:50 <marja> yep 20:57:01 <ennael> obgr_seneca: great :) 20:57:13 <ennael> tmb: will we see you? 20:57:29 <obgr_seneca> for dinner, shall I ask eatdirt again, he lives in Bruxelles? 20:57:59 <ennael> I made a list of addresses and waiting for answers from a bruxelles guy also 20:58:20 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: I think Al3n has been looking at resturants 20:58:22 <sebsebseb> again 20:58:36 <ennael> obgr_seneca: I will let you know I guess tomorrow 20:59:09 <obgr_seneca> ennael: ok 20:59:21 <ennael> so about FOSDEM 20:59:23 <marja> MrsB: I think you should be there, because you're a good board candidate 20:59:47 <ennael> marja: it will not happen during FOSDEM but after 20:59:58 <MrsB> I wish I could but there's no way we could afford it marja 21:00:25 <ennael> about FOSDEM I asked coincoin today to ask for some information about tee-shirts and stickers 21:00:32 <ennael> we should have some for FOSDEM 21:00:44 <tmb> ennael: cant confirm yet :/ 21:01:04 <obgr_seneca> ennael: new t-shirts? 21:01:07 <ennael> yep 21:01:13 <sebsebseb> any of the old ones left? 21:01:15 <ennael> without any mention to FOSDEM or year :) 21:01:16 <obgr_seneca> shall I have a look in Germany as well? 21:01:43 <ennael> coincoin: can you send obgr_seneca the thing we would like to have for tee-shirts ? 21:02:20 <coincoin> ennael, obgr_seneca: sure! 21:02:36 <ennael> but we need an answer by the end of this week 21:02:41 <obgr_seneca> ok 21:02:43 <ennael> to avoid last minute stress :) 21:02:53 <coincoin> we do love stress! 21:02:55 <obgr_seneca> ennael: you sure that's possible? 21:03:07 * ennael slaps obgr_seneca 21:03:48 <obgr_seneca> and if everyone could manage to catch his or her train and plane this time :D 21:04:04 <ennael> ? 21:04:12 <tmb> at least one way :) 21:04:20 <obgr_seneca> coincoin missing his last year, you at Linuxtag,... 21:04:20 <marja> :) 21:04:32 <ennael> chuuuuuut 21:04:48 <ennael> going by car, it's safer :) 21:05:04 <ennael> so we wait for some price for goodies by the end of this week 21:05:12 * obgr_seneca too, I'm bringing along my private chauffeur 21:05:19 <marja> ennael: yes, when there is enough snow you'll go at 5 km/h 21:05:35 <ennael> I will have the kakemono 21:05:40 <ennael> still we need some flyers 21:05:49 <ennael> atelier ? can you work on this ? 21:06:03 <maat> (hi late & happy new year & best wishes for all) 21:06:21 <coincoin> /ignore obgr_seneca 21:06:22 <sebsebseb> trishf42: Can we work on flyers? :d 21:06:22 <coincoin> :� 21:06:26 <obgr_seneca> If you send me pdf files, I can look for stickers as well 21:06:37 <leuhmanu> (stormi had some flyers iirc) 21:06:38 <ennael> obgr_seneca: that was intended :) 21:06:39 <MrsB> hi maat, you too 21:06:56 <ennael> I will catch stormi flyer and send it to atelier 21:07:07 <marja> maat: hi 21:07:12 <ennael> please atelier this is a priority to have it in time for FOSDEM 21:08:20 * ennael thinks atelier is dead :) 21:08:28 <sebsebseb> ennael: send a email to the list, if you want us to do something, but Ateleir doesn't seem that active in general at the moment 21:08:42 <MrsB> :\ 21:08:50 <obgr_seneca> ennael: long live the zombies :-/ 21:08:58 <ennael> or we can do it i council 21:09:08 <MrsB> what can be done to revive it? 21:09:08 <ennael> I don't mind provided we have something ready on time 21:09:31 <ennael> MrsB: have trishf42 as team leader to shake it :) 21:09:46 <MrsB> go trishf42 go trishf42 21:09:48 <trishf42> ack... 21:09:52 <ennael> ;) 21:09:55 <marja> :) 21:10:08 <trishf42> (is rda v. busy at the moment?) 21:10:37 <ennael> #action coincoin and obgr_seneca will get some estimation for goodies by the end of this week then we will decide which one to be chosen 21:10:42 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: I have some of the artwork from last year 21:10:50 <trishf42> I'll check and send to you 21:10:51 <ennael> trishf42: rather a lot yes 21:11:01 <obgr_seneca> trishf42: you do so 21:11:11 <trishf42> 8-) explains why atelier is kind of flat 21:11:11 <ennael> #action atelier will work on flyer content for FOSDEM 21:11:49 <ennael> then FOSDEM will be also the place for our general assembly 21:12:21 <ennael> still waiting to see if we have a room like last year 21:12:23 <ennael> not sure yet 21:12:28 <sebsebseb> yeah I guess we can do flyers on a pad :) 21:12:34 <sebsebseb> I remember last year was a flyer, but only in French hmm 21:12:57 <obgr_seneca> ennael: aren't the rooms available on short notice? 21:13:01 <obgr_seneca> They were last year 21:13:03 <ennael> for general assembly I will prepare a general report about past year 21:13:11 <ennael> and rda will work on financial review 21:13:27 <ennael> obgr_seneca: the thing is it seems they have less rooms this year 21:13:33 <marja> ouch 21:13:34 <ennael> so maybe no room for this kind of meeting 21:13:34 <obgr_seneca> ah 21:13:47 <obgr_seneca> then we will have to book it early enough 21:13:48 <ennael> waiting for mre information 21:14:01 <ennael> obgr_seneca: no I mean we may have no room at all 21:14:15 <obgr_seneca> ah... 21:14:49 <MrsB> is there a local hotel to use instead? 21:15:09 <MrsB> or pub 21:15:11 <obgr_seneca> Not near the University, I think 21:15:19 <ennael> yep 21:15:24 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: not in Villa Royal a place either? 21:15:40 <obgr_seneca> Too far from the campus 21:15:56 <sebsebseb> actualy this guy who was going to come to FOSDEM, butg won't be coming now, and was going to be in another hotel, that was one seems to be nearer and seems to have a conference room even 21:16:13 <MrsB> it'd have to be on the doorstep 21:16:23 <ennael> let see if we have this room. If not we can manage it on booth after all 21:16:31 <ennael> it's open for open source project :) 21:16:38 <sebsebseb> yep I was thinking could do it at booth if can't get a room 21:16:52 <MrsB> if all else fails, occupy the toilet :) 21:16:58 <ennael> nice :) 21:17:06 <ennael> MrsB: will you be there for FOSDEM ? 21:17:13 <MrsB> no :( 21:17:17 <sebsebseb> ennael: she can't afford it 21:17:35 <MrsB> plus passport is out of date 21:17:55 <ennael> can't you have it in time ? 21:18:09 <sebsebseb> MrsB: you can get a passport on the day by the way if you go to passport place 21:18:27 <sebsebseb> I did one year 21:18:46 <trishf42> Folks: blog post is ready for your comments: http://blog.mageia.org/en/?p=2029 21:18:57 <ennael> thanks trishf42 21:18:59 <trishf42> If you like it I'll publish 21:19:10 <ennael> can we wait end of this meeting to comment ? 21:20:06 <ennael> obgr_seneca: can we start asking for attendees for diner right now ? 21:20:08 <trishf42> yes 21:20:20 <obgr_seneca> ennael: on ml? 21:20:34 <ennael> yep first create a wiki page if not already page 21:20:39 <ennael> so that people can register 21:20:42 <obgr_seneca> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Fosdem_2013 21:21:09 <sebsebseb> yeah that wiki page been around for quite a while 21:21:23 <obgr_seneca> I know, I created it 21:21:34 <sebsebseb> still lacking certan people on it though :d 21:21:39 <ennael> so mail all ML to announce it 21:21:59 <obgr_seneca> I'll do 21:22:02 <ennael> thanks 21:22:58 <ennael> I will ask you for some information by mail for general report for general assembly 21:23:40 <ennael> we will keep all the vote part after FOSDEM so that everybody can participate 21:24:10 <sebsebseb> we should take a photo of everyone there this time I Think :) 21:24:31 <ennael> ok anything else to add on this topipc ? 21:24:36 <ennael> topic 21:24:48 <sebsebseb> nope 21:25:04 <tmb> no 21:25:32 <ennael> other topic ? 21:25:56 <leuhmanu> MrsB: ! 21:26:09 <marja> ah, yes, THE bug 21:26:14 <sebsebseb> yep the bug 21:26:22 <MrsB> Sorry, yes 21:26:26 <MrsB> TBWNWDNM 21:26:36 <MrsB> bug 2317 21:26:42 <ennael> wait 21:26:50 <ennael> #topic bug #2317 21:27:15 <leuhmanu> ,bug 2317 21:27:17 <[mbot> 04Bug https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2317 critical, High, thierry.vignaud, thierry.vignaud, NEW, --update option should behave like --search-media <list of the update media>, rpmdrake-5.26.10-1.mga1.src.rpm 21:27:24 <MrsB> A while ago now we had some impetus to fix this but for several reasons it slipped away 21:27:43 <MrsB> It would be really good to fix it before magea 3 21:27:57 <tmb> it will be fixed for mga3 21:28:04 <MrsB> promise? 21:28:09 <sebsebseb> hmm bot URL title etc same colour as my IRC cilent high lights, interesting 21:28:50 * obgr_seneca has to leave, sorry... 21:28:59 <marja> obgr_seneca: good night 21:29:04 <sebsebseb> already gone 21:29:06 <marja> :/ 21:29:25 * trishf42 is getting tea, back shortly 21:29:25 <tmb> tv has agreed to drop the "add updates only" stuff, so we will have make it work :) 21:29:40 <MrsB> \o/ 21:29:47 <marja> :) 21:29:59 <MrsB> I'll add it to qa minutes for next meeting, it's official then 21:30:03 <ennael> would be even nicer to have ready before rc to test it properly 21:30:25 <MrsB> yes, upgrade process is affected by it 21:30:33 <leuhmanu> it was removed in drakx-installer but not yet in edit-urpm-media 21:30:53 <MrsB> or updates after upgrade/install maybe, can't remember now 21:30:59 <tmb> we are also looking on some recompressing of metadata that will make for smaller downloads too.. 21:32:28 <MrsB> shall I tell the team? it'll really be fixed? Sorry to be skeptical D 21:33:14 <ennael> tmb: raise your hand and say, I swear :) 21:33:33 <ennael> (on the GPL of course) 21:34:12 <tmb> well I can swear at a lot of things :) but it's not before tv commits the changes it happends :) 21:34:22 <ennael> :) 21:34:28 <tmb> (or curse... ) :) 21:34:31 <MrsB> Thats good enough for me :) 21:34:33 <ennael> ok I will ping him about this 21:34:40 <MrsB> great \o/ 21:34:43 <MrsB> thankyou! 21:34:51 <ennael> anything else for tonight ? 21:34:59 <sebsebseb> nope 21:35:04 <MrsB> not here 21:35:39 <tmb> nope 21:35:48 <marja> no 21:36:00 <leuhmanu> nope 21:36:10 <ennael> ok then 21:36:14 <ennael> thanks for attending 21:36:19 <ennael> pizza time \o/ 21:36:23 <ennael> #endmeeting