20:10:12 <ennael> #startmeeting
20:10:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Dec  3 20:10:12 2012 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:10:16 <ennael> hi all
20:10:54 <DavidWHodgins> HiYa
20:10:54 <tmb> hi
20:11:01 <ennael> ok let start
20:11:12 <ennael> #topic sysadmin review
20:11:17 <ennael> tmb: your turn :)
20:11:25 <tmb> yep.
20:12:50 <tmb> well, first a great news... boklm will be re-joining sysadm team, so welcome again boklm !
20:13:02 <marja> boklm: great :)
20:13:03 <MrsB> Morning
20:13:10 <boklm> :)
20:13:15 <maat> :)
20:13:22 <marja> maat: good morning :)
20:13:32 <ennael> boklm: you will die under todo list weight
20:13:46 <ennael> welcome back \o/
20:13:54 <boklm> :)
20:14:24 <boklm> \o/
20:14:32 <marja> boklm: :)
20:14:37 <ennael> tmb: sorry :)
20:14:40 <tmb> and to go on: we have decided that boklm will share sysadm team-leader role with me
20:14:59 <marja> nice
20:15:05 <maat> cool
20:15:39 <tmb> and we will start sorting out pending issues, wich I promised a while ago to list myself too
20:16:34 <sebsebsebeeepc> hi
20:16:53 <tmb> unfortunately, I got downed pretty bad by some health issues 1+ months ago, so I've not gotten far with the things planned
20:17:10 <marja> tmb: ouch..... best wishes for your health
20:17:37 <maat> tmb: hope you're better
20:17:48 <tmb> but I'm starting to feel a little bit better so I can get some work done
20:18:36 <tmb> anyway, we discussed with boklm regarding some things to do already, and how to proceed.
20:20:39 <tmb> I will focus on get the forum sorted out this month, and dmorgan stated he will take care of bugzilla upgrade (no eta yet), and we'll make a list on wiki on what/who/when
20:21:51 <tmb> we are also looking on how to make it easier to add new admins that does not automatically get full access everywhere
20:22:46 <marja> thx!
20:22:48 <maat> forums test vm \o/
20:22:59 <MrsB> sounds like progress, and wb boklm (sorry half asleep)
20:23:10 <ennael> great
20:23:16 <tmb> we already have some ideas on how to proceed, but will discuss a little more on some issued we still think of.
20:23:17 <boklm> thanks MrsB
20:23:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> wb boklm
20:23:37 <ennael> tmb, boklm : do you plan to make a wiki page or mail or anything about this ?
20:23:42 <ennael> maybe for next meeting ?
20:23:47 <tmb> so, that's the extent on the sysadm roundup for now
20:24:05 <marja> thx, tmb and boklm
20:24:24 <tmb> ennael: [10:20.39] <tmb> I will focus on get the forum sorted out this month, and dmorgan stated he will take care of bugzilla upgrade (no eta yet), and we'll make a list－ on wiki on what/who/whe
20:24:37 <ennael> oups sorry
20:24:46 <ennael> great
20:26:14 <tmb> next topic ?
20:26:32 <ennael> yep
20:26:41 <ennael> #topic next events for Mageia
20:27:19 <ennael> just to summarize coming events Mageia should attend
20:27:44 <ennael> we have applied for FOSDEM and we should have final decision around mid december
20:27:49 <sebsebsebeeepc> FOSDEM :)
20:28:51 <ennael> any other event we should know ?
20:28:55 <MrsB> what is it that has to be applied for?
20:29:07 <sebsebsebeeepc> a stand
20:29:07 <MrsB> the table space?
20:29:19 <MrsB> i see
20:29:26 <ennael> yep
20:29:32 <ennael> still waiting for answer
20:29:49 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep ok
20:32:07 <tmb> who will be going to fosdem ?
20:32:14 <ennael> _o/
20:32:18 <boklm> _o/
20:32:38 <sebsebsebeeepc> :d
20:32:46 * tmb plans to go too
20:32:48 <leuhmanu_> (hi, sorry was disconnected)
20:32:51 <ennael> great
20:32:53 <maat> perhaps
20:32:57 <ennael> nice to see you around
20:33:01 <marja> tmb: good night
20:33:05 * sebsebsebeeepc is planning on going :)
20:33:13 <marja> sebsebsebeeepc: good night
20:33:19 <sebsebsebeeepc> to FOSDEM I meant
20:33:40 <marja> tmb: sebsebsebeeepc: oops, missed a bit of the conversatiion
20:33:48 <sebsebsebeeepc> marja: oh ok
20:33:49 <ennael> ok if it's ok we will have to organize it carefully as Mageia is now much more well-known
20:33:52 * marja will probably go
20:33:54 <tmb> marja: so I need to sleep until fosdem ? :)
20:34:01 <marja> tmb: no, sorry
20:34:04 <ennael> also together with FOSDEM we should have general assembly
20:34:17 <sebsebsebeeepc> ennael: if you mean number  2 on distrowatch for example, well yeah
20:35:36 <ennael> ok next topic before everybody fall asleep
20:35:44 <marja> :)
20:35:51 <ennael> #topic Blog posts to be planned
20:35:59 <ennael> ok blog is for now a bit empty
20:36:05 <marja> ennael: leuhmanu :)
20:36:08 <ennael> except releases announcements
20:36:25 <ennael> so we will restart interviews and leuhmanu_ is one target of course
20:36:31 <marja> :)
20:37:06 <leuhmanu_> (why I come back.. O:) )
20:37:12 <ennael> ;)
20:37:18 <MrsB> nice! :)
20:37:28 <ennael> any other proposal for next posts ?
20:37:28 <marja> leuhmanu_: for the good of bugsquad :þ
20:38:17 <MrsB> what about a series of howto's?
20:38:27 <ennael> any topic in mind ?
20:38:50 <MrsB> anything really, some of the server stuff maybe or jack etc
20:39:15 <MrsB> highlight some of the mageia tools
20:39:16 * tmb thinks: "how to wipe "ub****" from the system
20:39:21 <MrsB> lol yeah
20:39:21 <ennael> :)
20:39:28 <marja> tmb: grinz
20:39:34 <MrsB> something about the new mcc
20:39:36 <ennael> sure can you add some proposals
20:39:41 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning
20:39:53 <MrsB> usrmove etc
20:40:21 <marja> MrsB: I'm sure you'd be good at writing them, too ;)
20:40:33 <MrsB> oops
20:42:34 <MrsB> maybe try to generate some interest for dev team too, interview with tv?
20:42:56 <ennael> you have to learn britain first :)
20:43:13 <ennael> but yes we have plenty of guys for interviews
20:43:52 <ennael> I will add some there, please feel free to add some also
20:43:55 <marja> ennael: he is so invisible, I'd very much like te see an inteview with him (it is mostly his tools docteam documents)
20:44:11 <marja> ennael: tv, that is
20:44:34 <ennael> also somebody (atelier?) should think about traditional posts for christmas and new year
20:45:09 <sebsebsebeeepc> what kind of blog posts?
20:45:19 <MrsB> "Happy xmas, love Mageia"
20:45:34 <MrsB> how about some xmas wallpapers?
20:45:39 <sebsebsebeeepc> really?
20:45:47 <ennael> MrsB: we wait for yours :)
20:45:55 <MrsB> hmm
20:45:57 <sebsebsebeeepc> not all Mageia users will celebrate Christmas
20:46:11 <marja> sebsebsebeeepc: very true
20:46:14 <MrsB> might not want it on your desktop :D
20:47:03 <ennael> ok I will post a mail on Atelier
20:47:14 <marja> thx
20:47:43 <ennael> anything else ?
20:48:15 <sebsebsebeeepc> no
20:48:17 <marja> not here
20:48:30 <ennael> ok
20:48:37 <ennael> #topic beta 1 release
20:48:46 <ennael> ok last topic on my side
20:48:52 * MrsB hides
20:49:01 <ennael> we are preparing local repository to build first isos
20:49:11 * marja pats MrsB on her shoulder
20:49:21 <sebsebsebeeepc> ennael: ok :)
20:49:38 <ennael> tmb has planned to upload new kernel so we will wait for it
20:49:59 <ennael> 3.7
20:50:15 <marja> :)
20:50:18 <MrsB> will nonfree be included on installer dvd's?
20:50:32 <ennael> I'm also in contact with tv about this
20:50:38 <ennael> this should be ready
20:50:41 <MrsB> and grub2?
20:50:45 <ennael> but still not included
20:50:50 <ennael> together with grub2
20:51:02 <MrsB> ahh ok, so no nonfree yet
20:51:03 <ennael> be prepared to test a betalpha :)
20:51:05 * marja sees work for docteam
20:51:35 <tmb> do we have any eta for tv work ?
20:51:52 <ennael> it should be included in the c2 coming days
20:51:56 <ennael> 2
20:52:09 <MrsB> is it worth waiting for it before first build?
20:52:17 <ennael> indeed
20:52:33 <tmb> ok, would be nice to pull in for first beta
20:52:37 <MrsB> yes
20:52:38 <ennael> yep
20:53:00 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep would be good to have Grub 2 by default in first Beta
20:53:06 <MrsB> it's a big change which should solve alot of issues mga2 had
20:53:11 <marja> ennael: grub 2 will be default for beta 1, correct?
20:53:13 <leuhmanu_> I don't remember, do we add nonfree drivers in dual ?
20:53:17 <ennael> marja: yep
20:53:18 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: such as
20:53:19 <sebsebsebeeepc> ?
20:53:36 <tmb> leuhmanu_: nope, they wont fit...
20:53:41 <marja> ennael: the installer help will be adjusted in beta 2
20:53:43 <MrsB> such as drivers needing nonfree firmware (graphics, wifi etc)
20:53:44 <sebsebsebeeepc> leuhmanu_: nope dual is free software only like DVD
20:53:51 <leuhmanu_> ok so I should be carefull on duplicate bugs
20:54:04 <marja> ennael: not sure about the translations, though
20:54:19 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: I meant Grub 2
20:54:26 <MrsB> oh, i didn't
20:54:43 <sebsebsebeeepc> oh ok
20:54:45 <leuhmanu_> so wait and see
20:55:56 <ennael> yep will mail as soon as it's integrated so that we can start beta isos build
20:56:34 <MrsB> thats great, yes. It makes sense to wait for it
20:57:07 <maat> juste one side question about next version
20:57:15 <ennael> yep
20:57:18 <maat> we had an arm port with mga1
20:57:34 <sebsebsebeeepc> a preview yeah
20:57:54 <maat> are there plans to have that fully supported ?
20:58:13 <ennael> I know some work has been done but still we need some more work to integrate it in build system
20:58:23 <maat> a friend of mine wanted to test mageia on his brand new raspberry
20:58:31 <maat> and i did not know what to answer
20:58:44 <ennael> so I guess to be added in sysadmin todo list
20:58:51 <tmb> yep
20:59:06 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep good if we have a Mageia version that will run nicely on the Rassbery Pi in the future :) and properly developed and such :)
20:59:33 <MrsB> it will be hard to qa that, it would have to be classed experimental for now I think
20:59:46 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: yep
21:00:03 <tmb> and also start syncinc out current arm tree so atleast people that knows what they do can start testing and help fixing builds...
21:00:38 <MrsB> maybe we could find some funds to supply some qa boards
21:01:33 <maat> ok thanks for the answers :)
21:01:35 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: FREE Rassbery Pi's to all QA members heh heh
21:03:56 <sebsebsebeeepc> via Mageia funds
21:03:56 <maat> why not ? i'd be ready to buy 3 or 4 of those for QA team
21:03:56 <marja> maat: great :)
21:03:56 <tmb> well, most of arm can be tested under qemu, besides kernel part
21:03:56 <sebsebsebeeepc> more seriously though Rassbery Pi's aren't actually that much
21:03:56 <maat> if others do the same thing we could have quickly enough tesbeds
21:03:56 <sebsebsebeeepc> £20 £22 or so, pounds yeah
21:03:56 <marja> maat: I wouldn't mind paying for MrsB, DavidWHodgins and other long-term contributors
21:03:57 <tmb> I also have a raspberry here, wich I intend to make work, but you all need to realize that the raspberry is a "lo-end" arm, so it wont be bast...
21:04:02 <tmb> *fast...
21:04:21 <marja> maat: but I'd hate to see a new contributor disappear with one without having done a thing
21:04:38 <sebsebsebeeepc> there's been a lot of interest in the Rassbery Pi's in the Linux world this year, that's for sure, so would indeed be good if Mageia could properly support in the future I think :)
21:04:39 <maat> tmb: we wont have gnome or kde on it ok
21:04:39 <DavidWHodgins> Probably not much slower than my 7 year old i586 is. :-)
21:05:16 <marja> DavidWHodgins: :)
21:05:33 <maat> but having xbmc running smoothly on it could make raspberries nice media centers
21:06:03 <maat> the GPU is able to deal with blueray
21:06:14 <sebsebsebeeepc> oh is it?
21:06:34 <maat> yes
21:07:00 <sebsebsebeeepc> so put in a external blueray player, and got Bluerays on it?
21:07:07 * MrsB uses 1.5Ghz single core intel so used to slow
21:07:29 <leuhmanu_> (back to the topic for me), it whould be great if someone can change a line in the compssUsers.pl *before* the beta: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3718#c10 (I don't have check if there is some other "easy fix")
21:07:31 <[mbot> [ Bug 3718 add XFCE in compssUsers.pl / Xfce 4.10 ]
21:07:35 <tmb> maat: yep, that they should be able to do. but the gpu needs a binary blob to work
21:07:45 <maat> (sorry for theofftopic guys and girls)
21:08:18 <sebsebsebeeepc> maat: things go off topic sometimes, how it is :d, its ok
21:08:24 <sebsebsebeeepc> I guess
21:08:29 <tmb> anyway, I guess we can close meeting
21:08:30 <maat> (tmb: ha... so non-free version required for that ?)
21:08:34 <marja> maat: I don't mind
21:08:40 <MrsB> It would be nice to offer others too leuhmanu_
21:08:51 <marja> MrsB: yes!
21:09:16 <leuhmanu_> MrsB: xfce is already on the iso, but cannot be installed...
21:09:21 <leuhmanu_> since mga1
21:09:28 <sebsebsebeeepc> oh?
21:09:34 <MrsB> yes, it isn't straight forward
21:09:58 <MrsB> is that an easy fix?
21:10:03 <leuhmanu_> yes
21:10:06 <marja> leuhmanu_: ah, I thought Mrs B meant: offer you a raspberry ;)
21:10:12 <leuhmanu_> not users friendly but enough
21:10:17 <leuhmanu_> ha
21:11:36 <ennael> leuhmanu_: I will have a look on #3718
21:11:46 <tmb> maat: yep, they offer a "open-source" one that is only a shim and relies heavily on the stuff they moved from their own driver into the firmware blob
21:11:54 <leuhmanu_> thanks
21:12:32 <ennael> ok anything else on beta 1 topic ?
21:12:41 <tmb> nope
21:12:44 <sebsebsebeeepc> nope
21:12:56 <marja> not here
21:13:00 <MrsB> shall we say 2 day delay then for 1st build?
21:13:11 <ennael> yep
21:13:14 <MrsB> ok, thanks
21:13:25 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: you'll have to give me access to ISO,  I am going to ISO test this time :)
21:13:39 <MrsB> \o/
21:13:44 <marja> :)
21:13:54 <ennael> any other topic ?
21:13:57 <sebsebsebeeepc> nope
21:14:02 <MrsB> did you add yourself to the tester list sebsebsebeeepc?
21:14:08 <sebsebsebeeepc> MrsB: not yet, but I will
21:14:19 <marja> too sleepy for topics
21:14:29 <MrsB> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_ISO_testers
21:14:35 <sebsebsebeeepc> yep
21:14:46 <sebsebsebeeepc> to link
21:14:53 <MrsB> deceptively long list, I think we'll clean it for next set
21:15:02 <sebsebsebeeepc> oh ok
21:15:32 <marja> MrsB: simplew is totally gone, you can remove him
21:15:37 <leuhmanu_> can we close ?
21:15:39 <ennael> any other topic ?
21:15:44 <sebsebsebeeepc> marja: oh is he?
21:15:46 <MrsB> none here, thanks
21:15:48 * leuhmanu_ will read logs
21:15:56 <ennael> just one request or proposal
21:16:01 <sebsebsebeeepc> ok
21:16:26 <ennael> what about having council meetings every 2 weeks unless we have topics that cannot be handled through ML ?
21:16:35 <leuhmanu_> ok for me
21:16:38 <marja> ennael: good idea
21:16:50 <sebsebsebeeepc> two instead of one you mean
21:17:16 <tmb> ok for me too, as there is no point in having a meeting just for the meetings sake
21:17:18 <marja> sebsebsebeeepc: once every fortnight
21:17:25 <boklm> ok
21:17:38 <sebsebsebeeepc> what works for  you lot sure, I am not really on the council anyway
21:17:54 <ennael> #info council meetings will happen every 2 weeks from now
21:17:54 <MrsB> we can trial it yeah as long as it doesn't lead to people losing interest
21:18:01 <ennael> sure
21:18:04 <tmb> and we can always call extra meetings if needed
21:18:12 <sebsebsebeeepc> tmb: yep  indeed
21:18:21 <ennael> yep also do not hesitate to post on ML if needed
21:18:43 <marja> OK
21:18:58 <ennael> thanks for attending tonight
21:19:03 <ennael> #endmeeting