20:36:39 <ennael> #startmeeting 20:36:39 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Oct 29 20:36:39 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:36:39 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:37:01 <ennael> #topic postmortem alpha2 / coming alpha3 20:37:58 <ennael> ok anybody wants to speak about alpha2 ? 20:38:06 <ennael> MrsB: ? 20:38:20 <MrsB> Hi, yes sorry 20:38:27 <MrsB> well, there were a few bugs :\ 20:38:29 <ennael> no pb :) 20:38:39 <MrsB> it took longer than expected 20:39:16 <MrsB> we had alot of new interest in QA but sadly not many actually took part in testing, we've discussed that previously. 20:39:49 <MrsB> also the new list of ISOs were released 20:40:09 <MrsB> you all saw the emails? 20:40:23 <ennael> ? 20:40:28 <MrsB> your emails :P 20:40:40 <MrsB> which ISOs we now produce 20:40:45 <ennael> oups ok :) 20:41:20 <MrsB> have I missed anything out? 20:41:51 <ennael> nope 20:42:16 <ennael> we spoke about it and it seems people need to be helped for these tests 20:42:31 <ennael> we started a pad on this purpose 20:42:32 <ennael> http://translate.google.fr/ 20:42:33 <[mbot> [ Google Traduction ] 20:42:35 <ennael> oups 20:42:41 <ennael> http://bn.parinux.org/p/howto_qa_iso 20:42:42 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ] 20:42:58 <ennael> we do have some documentation already for this but it seems it's not enough 20:43:14 <ennael> I guess we should try to finalize this this week 20:43:16 <ennael> wdyt ? 20:43:43 <MrsB> I have to prioritise security updates at the moment but yes it's a good idea 20:45:01 <MrsB> we tend to find once ISO testing is finished we have a long list of updates waiting for us. 20:45:48 <MrsB> ideally we'd be able to divide manpower and do both at once but we just don't have that manpower yet 20:46:33 <tmb> so getting the "interested" parts actually to do something would help then... 20:47:00 <tmb> of course it also takes some "mentoring" time 20:47:04 <ennael> I guess some new comers just don't know where to start and how to make a report 20:47:07 <ennael> yep 20:47:22 <MrsB> yes, indeed. It all takes time. QA is time intensive. 20:47:44 <ennael> mmm I can try to give a hand during alpha3 release 20:47:57 <ennael> alpha releases are not as critical as beta or RC 20:48:03 <ennael> it's now or never 20:48:55 <tmb> that's why alpha releases also would be good time to learn how to test 20:49:11 <MrsB> I'll do what I can. Personally I've just returned from a couple of weeks mainly away with guests staying with us, so still catching up. 20:49:30 <ennael> same thing here except my guest was a flu ;) 20:49:36 <ennael> but still we can try now 20:49:39 <tmb> so when we hit beta/rc people can manage more "on they own" :) 20:50:03 <MrsB> yep ok. We do still need to clear the security updates first though. 20:50:29 <tmb> yep 20:50:38 <ennael> alpha3 is planned for 12th of november 20:50:58 <MrsB> so first iso's should land 2nd or 3rd at a guess? 20:51:15 <ennael> yep 20:51:17 <MrsB> it doesn't leave long 20:52:56 <tmb> we also need to mail -dev to not do big changes/updates during "alpha freeze" to make it easier to rebuild fixed packages ... 20:53:30 <leuhmanu> any news about the "mass rebuild" ? 20:54:34 <ennael> tmb: yep we still have some guys who push big updates during release 20:55:43 <tmb> leuhmanu: hm, I completely forgot about that one... I will look into starting/doing it after alpha3 is done but before beta stage 20:56:27 <ennael> #action finalize isos test process so that new comers can learn for next alpha iso 20:56:37 <MrsB> We will also need to discuss when we plan to drop support for mga1, to give people time to prepare. From a QA perspective it would make our lives alot easier to drop it in November, 20:56:43 <leuhmanu> oki 20:56:44 <ennael> #action mass rebuild to be done before first beta (tmb) 20:56:50 <MrsB> December I mean 20:57:03 <ennael> well date is fixed 20:57:13 <MrsB> I wasn't aware 20:57:16 <ennael> what we need is just communicate on this 20:57:25 <ennael> I mean it's 18 months 20:57:29 <leuhmanu> and update the support page for mga2 20:57:39 <leuhmanu> Mageia 2 may have a longer lifecycle, this will be decided once released in May. 20:57:43 <leuhmanu> Mageia 2 may have a longer lifecycle, this will be decided once released in May. 20:57:49 <leuhmanu> rh 20:57:50 <MrsB> ok thats good then. There was debate whether it would be supported until mga3 is released. 20:57:51 <leuhmanu> http://www.mageia.org/en/support/ 20:57:52 <[mbot> [ Support for Mageia distribution ] 20:57:52 <ennael> indeed 20:58:13 <ennael> MrsB: no way we can't delay it there is no real reason 20:58:40 <ennael> there will be always people waiting last minute or after to upgrade their distro 20:58:40 <MrsB> no I agree. It would make qa impossible too when we start getting into detail for beta/rc 20:58:41 * leuhmanu is still in mga1 20:59:48 * ennael looking for the release date of mga1 20:59:55 <leuhmanu> 1 june ! 20:59:56 <leuhmanu> :) 21:00:19 <leuhmanu> http://releases.mageia.org/api/a/i586 21:01:03 <ennael> so what about communicating on 1rst of dec ? 21:01:22 <tmb> yep 21:01:29 <ennael> it means blog post about it 21:01:37 <ennael> and wome work for sysadmins 21:01:37 <leuhmanu> no more update the first december ? 21:01:43 <ennael> leuhmanu: yep 21:01:52 <leuhmanu> so announce it a little before then 21:02:00 <ennael> 2 weeks before ? 21:02:07 <tmb> atleast 21:02:11 <leuhmanu> yes 21:02:12 <trishf42> ping me if you want an assist with the post 21:02:17 <ennael> what about 10th of dec ? 21:02:22 <ennael> oups 21:02:23 <ennael> nov 21:02:28 <ennael> 10th of nov 21:02:28 <leuhmanu> ok 21:02:39 <MrsB> Sounds good 21:02:53 <tmb> of 1 of nov, to state "there is only one month of support left" :) 21:02:53 <ennael> it's either 10 or 17 because we have alpha 3 in between 21:03:14 <ennael> can be 21:03:16 <MrsB> tmb also sounds good. Gives anybody using mga1 in business time to prepare 21:04:04 <leuhmanu> or for personnal 21:04:17 <MrsB> you could have one 1st November and another with 2 weeks to go 21:04:42 <ennael> mmm 21:04:45 <leuhmanu> send the announce on -discuss + -announce maybe too 21:04:47 <ennael> after alpha3 then 21:05:30 <ennael> 1rst and 16th of nov ? 21:05:38 <tmb> I can post EOL warning message on update ml too 21:05:49 <ennael> yep 21:06:09 <MrsB> 1st and 16/17th yeah, thats 2 weeks then 21:06:13 <ennael> #action EOL Mageia 1: 2 blog posts on 1rst and 16th of november 21:06:41 <ennael> #action EOL Mageia 1: post EOL warning message on update ml 21:07:19 <MrsB> poor mga1 :( 21:07:35 <MrsB> she was a good ship 21:07:43 <ennael> mageia is dead long live to mageia ! 21:07:44 <ennael> oups 21:07:51 <MrsB> :D 21:08:00 <leuhmanu> great mdv 2010.1 21:08:06 <ennael> ok anything else on that topic ? 21:08:22 <tmb> nope 21:08:27 <MrsB> i can't think of anything 21:08:46 <ennael> ok 21:08:57 <ennael> #topic Teams review 21:09:18 <ennael> I think mail about avoiding conflicts has been sent to some ML 21:09:25 <ennael> packagers, i18n, QA 21:09:42 <MrsB> Max__ sent to atelier too 21:09:51 <ennael> great 21:10:03 <ennael> so we still need to send it to sysadmin and docteam 21:10:06 <ennael> is that it ? 21:10:24 * leuhmanu send it to his sleepy team 21:10:39 <ennael> so bug triage team 21:10:48 <ennael> I will send it to docteam 21:10:52 <ennael> just now 21:11:13 <MrsB> we can move on then 21:11:30 <maat> i'll send it to forums team 21:11:30 <MrsB> forums team too 21:11:35 <MrsB> beta me to it 21:11:38 <MrsB> beat* 21:11:41 <maat> :) 21:12:30 <ennael> ok 21:12:49 <ennael> can you all make a brief review of the pending status of your team ? 21:13:00 <tmb> and sysadm ml sent 21:13:12 <MrsB> There were some fighty posts on the forum, would it be best to remove them? 21:13:28 <ennael> I guess no 21:13:34 <ennael> these threads were closed 21:13:43 <ennael> as discussion on docteam 21:13:45 <maat> MrsB: from experience it's more likely to put oil on the fire 21:13:58 <MrsB> Ok, thought it worth asking 21:14:00 <ennael> so discussion is over that's all 21:14:04 <maat> the thread has been locked by isadora 21:14:20 <tmb> We could paste the mail at the end of the thread 21:14:20 <maat> which was the best action to take imho 21:14:28 <MrsB> will it slowly disappear or is it stuck to the top of the forum maat? 21:14:46 <ennael> it will disappear 21:14:49 <MrsB> \o/ 21:14:52 <ennael> it's not sticky or announcement 21:15:03 <maat> MrsB: it will drown in the depths of the forum (slowly) 21:15:08 <tmb> just start new threads :) 21:15:16 <maat> tmb++ :) 21:15:29 <MrsB> mga1 eol.. 21:17:19 * trishf42 is going for more tea, back shortly 21:17:33 <ennael> so 21:17:41 <ennael> team review ? who wants to start ? 21:18:00 <Max__> I'll start because I need to go soon. 21:18:05 <ennael> ok 21:18:32 <Max__> I've been pretty busy recently and haven't been keeping upas much as I should with what's going on. 21:18:58 <Max__> obgr_seneca I think met with a designer, but there were no reported results. 21:19:12 <ennael> rda 21:19:20 <Max__> Right, thanks. 21:19:24 <ennael> he is waiting for first proposals 21:19:37 <ennael> it should come in coming days if I understood well 21:20:06 <Max__> We got some new members and new enthusiasm and new discussions about cleaning up the artwork for Mageia. 21:20:28 <Max__> The age-old complaint of no server space came up, and it looks like that for the Mga3 artwork we will be using Flickr. 21:20:31 <Max__> Again. 21:20:50 <Max__> Finally, something I noticed today. 21:20:57 <Max__> https://sites.google.com/site/ffmulticonverter/download 21:21:08 <Max__> Notice the fuzzy Mageia logo? 21:21:28 <Max__> There is no telling how many sites like this there are around the Internet. But this makes us look bad. 21:21:48 <MrsB> it's not just my eyes then 21:21:48 <Max__> I sent the admin of that page an email with a better, cleaner lgo, and hopefully it will be fixe. 21:22:06 <ennael> thanks 21:22:20 <tmb> dont we have a "press page" 21:22:31 <Max__> I would like to ask that the packagers team, who are in contact with people developing and distrbuting software, point those people to us, Atelier, so we can make them a tailor-made logo that will fit their site. 21:23:02 <Max__> tmb, yes. But but that specific image size cannot be found there. 21:23:26 <Max__> It's simple to use the SVG to make it (I did in 5 minutes today) but most people don't know how, and will thus use the PNG and lose quality. 21:23:31 <ennael> or propose a svg 21:23:32 <ennael> arf 21:23:34 <ennael> :) 21:24:24 <Max__> So, if everybody on the packagers team is aware of this, they can point people to us and we can improve our image without much effort. 21:24:46 <ennael> yep 21:26:06 <tmb> yep 21:26:15 <ennael> Max__: anything else ? 21:26:31 <Max__> Nope. I'm done. 21:26:39 <Max__> But somebody should email -dev about this. 21:26:45 <ennael> ok 21:26:50 <ennael> QA team ? 21:26:58 <ennael> MrsB: ? 21:27:00 <MrsB> sure 21:27:25 <MrsB> Our list has grown due to taking two weeks out for ISO testing this time around 21:27:59 <MrsB> We're working on clearing it as much as possible in time for the upcoming alpha3 testing 21:28:27 <MrsB> There is also a Gnome update I'd like to propose is removed and reworked 21:29:13 <tmb> or atleast completely reviewed... 21:29:26 <tmb> (by maintainer I mean) 21:29:33 <MrsB> Olav isn't sure which srpm's he built for it, some rpms seem to be at different versions and it could end up a bit of a mess. 21:29:49 <MrsB> it isn't really ready for QA in it's current state 21:30:23 <ennael> ok so postponed ? 21:30:41 <MrsB> well, alot of srpm's were built but it was all done a long time ago. 21:30:59 <MrsB> It's not sure exactly what is part of the update now 21:31:29 <MrsB> Luigi12 used madb to find things Gnome-ish which appeared in updates testing around the same time 21:32:18 <tmb> I guess checking every srpm submitted by ovitters can confirm the list 21:33:11 <MrsB> leuhmanu spotted some are different versions too, which seems odd. IMHO it would be best removed and rebuilt so he and we know what we're doing. 21:42:49 <tmb> yeah, I guess we need to ping ovitters to sort it out 21:44:31 <MrsB> Can I also suggest we begin to formalise the security team, such as it is, and invite luigi12 onto the council as it's leader? 21:46:06 <tmb> Is he interested in being teamleader ? 21:46:19 <ennael> (and get mad :) ) 21:46:32 <MrsB> It was suggested when there were discussions previously 21:46:52 <MrsB> he pretty much *is* the sec team at the moment 21:46:58 <ennael> indeed 21:47:24 <ennael> so maybe we can fix a date for a quick meeting on irc and mail -dev about it 21:47:34 <ennael> meaning looking for regular contributers 21:47:37 <ennael> including oden 21:48:13 <MrsB> Discuss with him first. I'm not sure his intentions are to take on responsibility for every update :) 21:48:52 <MrsB> he knows more how it's working though 21:48:53 <ennael> #action see with luigi12 how to formalize secteam and maybe organize a meeting 21:49:33 <ennael> tmb: want to speak about sysadmin ? 21:50:05 <tmb> want and want... 21:50:13 <tmb> :) 21:50:22 <ennael> indeed:) 21:51:34 <tmb> well, I'm as stepping up as teamleader of sysadm team, and will try to get things moving one way or another... 21:53:04 <MrsB> good luck :) 21:53:30 <MrsB> is there anything you need from other teams? 21:53:38 <tmb> I'm currently reviewing what resources we really have and will look into prioritizing stuff along with other "active" members, and also in how to make it possible for new contributors... 21:55:16 <maat> tmb: just in case i think kharec volunteered / sysadmin soem times ago 21:55:33 <tmb> MrsB: not right now, I'm still reviewing stuff, but I expect to get some more to say in ~1 week... 21:55:34 <maat> dunno if he's still interrested 21:55:51 <maat> but i'd bet on yes 21:56:11 <ennael> just check his availibility 21:56:12 <tmb> yeah, Luigi12 also suggested he could help out on some parts... 21:56:25 <ennael> kharec used to start lots of things before ;) 21:56:48 <MrsB> maybe he just hasn't found the right thing yet 21:57:00 <ennael> tmb: do you plan to list all things and priorities ? 21:57:15 <ennael> so that people know when to expect things to be done ? 21:58:19 <tmb> yep, thats the idea... amongst the most critical ones is forum, bugzilla update., ml migration to name a few... 21:58:50 <ennael> ok 21:59:07 <ennael> people from i18n and doc ? 22:03:04 * tmb thinks people fell asleap 22:03:18 <ennael> :) 22:03:22 <maat> ^^ 22:03:40 <ennael> maybe we can stop now and ask through council ML 22:03:56 <MrsB> we've covered alot :) 22:04:32 <ennael> yep 22:04:42 <ennael> so let's close meeting now if you are ok 22:05:21 <MrsB> ok here 22:05:28 <tmb> ok 22:05:45 * leuhmanu already send his mini 'team review' last week 22:06:16 <ennael> yep thanks for that 22:06:23 <ennael> we will ask 22:06:28 <ennael> for other teams on council ML 22:06:39 <ennael> thanks for attending tonight 22:06:45 <ennael> 'night all 22:06:52 <ennael> #endmeeting