19:02:32 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:02:32 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Sep 10 19:02:32 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:32 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:45 <ennael> #chair tmb 19:02:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael tmb 19:03:07 <ennael> before really starting, thanks all for alpha1 release 19:03:20 <ennael> was a real buggy alpha but finally released :) 19:03:33 <sebsebseb> hi 19:03:40 <MrsB> it's a very good alpha though 19:03:57 <ennael> #topic Mandriva contribution to Mageia secteam 19:04:02 <ennael> ok first topic 19:04:15 <ennael> you may have all seen the mail about it last week 19:04:42 <sebsebseb> yep seen stuff 19:05:05 <ennael> so Mandriva proposed to contribute to secteam as they will base their server product on Mageia 19:05:25 <ennael> so instead of duplicating efforts, they will contribute directly 19:05:41 <MrsB> currently secteam does not really exist 19:05:52 <sebsebseb> indeed at that 19:06:00 <MrsB> it's a combination of a willing pakcager and QA 19:06:10 <ennael> yep 19:06:12 <ennael> so 19:06:23 <ennael> basically Oden will join us as contributer 19:06:28 <ennael> nearly full time 19:07:01 <ennael> he will work mainly on base system and all server stack 19:07:22 <ennael> also we may have some help from one of their kernel hacker 19:07:49 <tmb> who? 19:07:57 <ennael> I guess Franck Bui 19:08:01 <ennael> to be confirmed 19:08:21 <tmb> ok 19:08:42 <sebsebseb> sounds good :) 19:08:47 <ennael> so we will have a short meeting on thursday about organization 19:09:23 <ennael> it would be nice also that secteam can integrate packagers meeting as they do with QA team meetings 19:10:15 <ennael> also we spoke about a blog post to announce this 19:10:39 <MrsB> I know Luigi12 is looking forward to having some help 19:10:46 <ennael> yep 19:11:10 <MrsB> i hope they will fit in Ok with mageia, it might be different to what they are used to 19:11:47 <ennael> well not really 19:12:05 <ennael> nothing really different except at the moment oden is working alone 19:12:16 <ennael> any question, comment ? 19:12:32 <sebsebseb> so they will volunteer their help to Mageia, but get paid by Mandriva to work on both? 19:13:15 <ennael> ? 19:14:11 <sebsebseb> nevermind the blog post will explain everything I guess anyway :) 19:14:15 <MrsB> They will be paid by mdv to work on mageia. We will become their upstream for mdv server so it makes sense 19:14:40 <ennael> they will join us as any other contributer 19:14:49 <ennael> that's why we speak about contribution 19:15:07 <MrsB> yes, I think thats an important point ennael 19:15:14 <ennael> yep 19:15:22 <ennael> ok next topic then 19:15:26 <MrsB> yip 19:15:29 <ennael> #topic Blog post for Mageia 2 years 19:16:06 <ennael> so I mailed quickly atelier ML 19:16:18 <ennael> to propose a blog post for Mageia 2 years 19:16:26 <ennael> a pad has been created http://bn.parinux.org/p/mageia2years 19:16:27 <[mbot> [ Etherpad Lite ] 19:16:43 <ennael> it should be published 18/09 19:17:12 <ennael> would be nice if somebody can take a lead on this so that we have it on time 19:17:51 <ennael> *silence* :) 19:17:55 <sebsebseb> some of us have been working on the pad 19:18:02 <sebsebseb> myself and Max for example 19:18:49 <ennael> ok so I will ping ML again then 19:19:02 <sebsebseb> yep good idea :) 19:19:18 <ennael> ok next topic then 19:19:24 <ennael> #topic Duckduckgo 19:19:36 <ennael> have you all read the mail today about it ? 19:20:00 <sebsebseb> I read that you wanted to mention it in the meeting, that's it. 19:20:03 <coincoin> oui madame 19:20:14 <ennael> coincoin: merci monsieur 19:20:18 <rda> yep 19:20:26 <Max__> Indeed. 19:20:30 <ennael> so wdyt ? 19:20:34 <ennael> what answer ? 19:20:35 <tmb> wasn't this all discussed before too? 19:20:44 <ennael> tmb: nothing done really 19:20:54 <ennael> nothing concluded if I remember well 19:21:19 <tmb> IIRC most agreed at that time to add it as a search option... 19:21:31 <sebsebseb> some other distros change the default search engine from Google to something else, because of revenue sharing. People also like Duck Duck Go since it's more privacy respecting, however it's also really Bing behind it apparantly. 19:21:34 <MrsB> how easy is it to do across all the browsers? 19:21:45 <rda> ennael: I didn't change my opinion from previous time: ok to have them as an alternative engine in the distribution. 19:21:54 <rda> sebsebseb: do you have anything supporting that claim? 19:22:07 <sebsebseb> rda: the Bing bit, sure old articles 19:22:33 <MrsB> there is some info on the duckduckgo website about their privacy, it was one of the big draws when they first started out 19:22:49 <ennael> MrsB: meaning ? 19:22:56 <Max__> What about the Bing thing? 19:23:11 <MrsB> which bit? 19:23:19 <ennael> 21:22 < MrsB> there is some info on the duckduckgo website about their privacy, it was one of the big draws when they first started out 19:23:28 <Max__> What Seb said, proof that it's true? 19:23:42 <sebsebseb> What I think is maybe Mageia can get some kind of search engine revenue thing arranged, like Linux Mint do for example, and Ubuntu as well if I remember correctly. 19:23:48 <MrsB> From what I recall they respect user privacy more than google etc 19:24:01 <MrsB> http://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html 19:24:02 <[mbot> [ DuckDuckGo Privacy ] 19:24:13 <ennael> okok 19:24:15 <rda> http://help.duckduckgo.com/customer/portal/articles/216399-sources => Bing is one source among many others, nothing revolutionary 19:24:16 <[mbot> [ DuckDuckGo | Sources ] 19:24:37 <ennael> so adding it among other search engine and ok for revenue ? 19:24:38 <sebsebseb> http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/opinion/internet/3321785/are-duckduckgos-bing-ties-problem-for-linux-mint/ 19:24:54 <rda> sebsebseb: this is really a non issue. 19:25:02 <rda> ennael: I'd say +1 19:25:07 <sebsebseb> I think it should be an option 19:25:21 <coincoin> ennael: yes for my part 19:25:43 <sebsebseb> and as I was also saying maybe there is a way to arrange some kind of revenue sharing thing, like certain other d istros are doing, if that's done with Duck Duck Go, so be it :), that's my opinion. 19:25:43 <ennael> sebsebseb: please read proposal "adding it *among* other search engine" 19:26:16 <ennael> Max__ tmb ? 19:26:31 <sebsebseb> yep add it in with the other search engines :) 19:26:31 <ennael> comment? 19:27:21 <MrsB> is revenue sharing on the table? the emails didn't seem to offer any. 19:27:26 <Max__> Add it, but not default. 19:27:36 <ennael> MrsB: it was in first contact 19:27:43 <ennael> let me look for it 19:28:43 <tmb> I'm ok adding them as an alternative, as for revenue ... if it actually generate some for mga its welcome, if not we'll manage anyway... 19:28:51 <MrsB> would they be able to track useage reliably do you think? 19:30:00 <MrsB> according to their privacy policy they don't collect user user agent 19:30:18 <coincoin> if it's not by default, we won't have a lot of revenue... I think it's better to have it by default and let ppl change it if they want 19:30:40 <ennael> first think I will do is mail them back and ask for precise information about what they will provide 19:30:49 <ennael> if we do not use it by default 19:31:54 <ennael> as a reminder 19:31:56 <ennael> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-02/msg00018.html 19:31:57 <[mbot> [ council - Council discussions - arc_protect ] 19:31:59 <ennael> (thanks boklm ) 19:33:41 <MrsB> How would they track useage though if they don't log user agent? 19:34:32 <coincoin> they will use the webcam of your computer 19:34:37 <ennael> :)) 19:34:47 <MrsB> thats ok then :) 19:35:17 <MrsB> I'm not against it in any way, just wonder if the 'revenue share' thing is wishful thinking 19:35:18 <ennael> so I answer them "ok for including ddg as a search engine" and ask for contract or anything like this 19:35:20 <sebsebseb> They might want a customised Duck Duck Go page for Mageia, for example, like Ubuntu does for their serarch and I think Mint as well.. Makes sense to use one by default that is generating some revenue for Mageia, and users that don't like it can change the search engine anyway. 19:37:47 <ennael> ok for it ? 19:37:56 <MrsB> yes, duckduck is go go 19:38:05 <sebsebseb> Email back and say ok with adding it into Magiea, and find out if they want to do a revenue share I guess? 19:39:18 <ennael> ok thanks will do it tonight 19:39:42 <sebsebseb> will have to add the search to the Magiea website, for the revenue share thing, that's how it works as well I think. 19:39:57 <ennael> that's all for my topics list 19:40:01 <ennael> anything else to add ? 19:40:09 <Max__> Defaukt or not? 19:40:49 <sebsebseb> maybe even set up a Mageia Duck Duck Go default start page for the browsers as part of that as well. A bit like this, but not Google: http://start.ubuntu.com 19:40:50 <[mbot> [ Ubuntu Start Page ] 19:40:59 <ennael> Max__: not default 19:41:11 <Max__> k 19:41:21 <sebsebseb> for a revenue share it would have to be default probably, but otherwise nope can just be an opton 19:41:23 <ennael> other topic ? 19:41:25 <MrsB> bug 2317 please, just a reminder it's not fixed yet and looks like tainted mesa may be affected by it 19:43:17 <ennael> ok 19:44:51 <ennael> other topic ? 19:45:26 <sebsebseb> nope 19:45:35 <tmb> nope 19:45:53 <Max__> ^ 19:46:17 <ennael> ok thanks for attending then 19:46:26 <ennael> #endmeeting