19:17:25 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:17:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Sep  3 19:17:25 2012 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:17:53 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 alpha 1 release
19:18:28 <ennael> So as you may have seen alpha 1 will be delayed a bit
19:19:44 <ennael> a few days it will depend on the result of the tests
19:20:14 <sebsebseb> hi
19:20:52 <sebsebseb> Thats ok to delay a few days.
19:21:30 <ennael> well it's not a question to be ok it has to be...
19:21:56 <ennael> if you have a look on tmb last mail on council ML, we may not have any live cds for alpha1
19:22:17 <ennael> live cds are using a file system named unionfs, a compressed one
19:22:35 <ennael> pb is unionfs uses to break at every kernel releases
19:22:45 <ennael> and it happens again now
19:22:49 <marja> :/
19:23:11 <ennael> the best is unionfs seems to be unmaintained for a while now
19:23:19 <ennael> so we may switch to another one
19:23:42 <marja> OK
19:23:54 <ennael> it will take time and maybe it's not that useful to spend time to fix unionfs
19:24:27 <marja> the problems with the DVD are all fixed, now?
19:24:32 <ennael> nearly
19:24:43 <ennael> some glitches to be fixed in last set of isos
19:24:47 <marja> OK
19:25:19 <sebsebseb> I don't really know much about this myself, but sure switch over to something else if it works better I guess, even if it takes some time to get properly sorted out as well.
19:26:37 <leuhmanu> maybe we should speak about the real issue for the livecd when we announce the alpha
19:26:43 <ennael> yep
19:26:53 <ennael> it's better to explain what is going on
19:27:00 <sebsebseb> indeed it is
19:27:02 <sebsebseb> nice and open :)
19:27:16 <marja> :)
19:27:17 <sebsebseb> and honest
19:27:24 <leuhmanu> (and why not found help)
19:27:32 <ennael> ok anything else to add on that topic ?
19:27:36 <marja> leuhmanu: who knows :)
19:27:46 <ennael> otherwise this first alpha looks rather good for an alpha release
19:27:55 <sebsebseb> I think it's ok to release Alpha 1 without Live CD's, but yep tell people why in the blog post :).
19:28:20 <marja> ennael: nice ..... and nothing to add here
19:28:41 <sebsebseb> DVD is mainly used for testing of alpha's I guess anyway,  and nothing more to add on this topic from me.
19:29:11 <ennael> #info alpha1 will be released in a few days without live cds, reasons will be explained
19:29:54 <ennael> #topic Hosting and servers
19:30:29 <ennael> so we have at the moment 2 servers, whose names are rabbit and twiska
19:30:44 <ennael> both were hosted for free
19:31:00 <ennael> first one is build machine for isos, second is a mirror for Mageia
19:31:43 <ennael> This has now changed and we must pay for it
19:32:11 <ennael> so the first one will be replaced by a new server installed in datacenter during last trip in Marseille
19:32:37 <ennael> but until it's ready we need to pay for the current server
19:32:57 <ennael> the second one has no replacement for now so it will simply removed
19:33:10 <ennael> we may ask a frecn provider to host a Mageia mirror
19:33:11 <ennael> instead
19:33:16 <marja> OK
19:33:24 <ennael> does it look reasonable ?
19:33:31 <MrsB> sorry I'm late
19:33:36 <marja> yes, it does
19:33:42 <sebsebseb> MrsB: hi
19:33:44 <coincoin> yep, the new rabbit will be available soon so...
19:33:49 <marja> MrsB: hi :)
19:33:49 <MrsB> hi :)
19:34:15 <marja> coincoin: good :)
19:35:14 <rda_> ennael: yes
19:35:27 <coincoin> rda_: \o/
19:35:34 <MrsB> we may be getting a UK mirror too, malo heard back from mirrorservice.org
19:35:41 <ennael> great
19:35:47 <marja> nice :)
19:36:04 <ennael> rda_: you may take the opportunity to speak about your blog post .?
19:36:35 <sebsebseb> MrsB: oh for ISO's?
19:36:41 <rda_> ennael: yep, but did we reach this topic already?
19:36:54 <rda_> actually, I'm more looking for someone to proofread it
19:37:05 <rda_> (link posted on council ml)
19:37:05 <ennael> nope but speaking about financial issues about hosting
19:37:16 <MrsB> who is able to proofread blog posts?
19:37:39 <marja> rda_: sorry, I never got around to figuring out how worlpress works
19:37:44 <sebsebseb> I can help a bit with that I guess :),  not amazing at English writing/typing though.
19:37:45 <marja> +d
19:37:56 <rda_> ennael: ah. well, that's not really an issue.
19:38:26 <sebsebseb> rda_: give me a link, and I'll have a look at the blog post
19:38:36 <rda_> it's only that our revenues don't scale to afford a monthly 200 € fee for hosting, especially because at this point of the year, we have a ~ 4000 euros net loss just after the 2 servers purchase
19:38:43 <rda_> (sorry lots of info in a single sentence :-p )
19:38:43 <marja> MrsB: coincoin can give you login credentials
19:38:52 <MrsB> thanks marja
19:39:15 <rda_> sebsebseb: thanks, but I'd prefer a native English (perhaps even British) writer
19:39:33 <sebsebseb> rda_: uh I am
19:39:37 <marja> lol
19:40:02 <rda_> ho, sorry. you said "not amazing at English writing", that's why I said that
19:40:33 <marja> sebsebseb: that must be your Swedish blood ;)
19:41:20 <ennael> anything else to add on that topic ?
19:41:41 <marja> yes
19:41:42 <sebsebseb> I was thinking about English GCSE etc when I put that, anyway got a good enough grade, also really that's more about poems and stories and such uh
19:42:17 <marja> I suppose the blog post tells how to donate if people feel the need ?
19:42:35 <rda_> marja: not exactly
19:42:37 <rda_> but in part
19:42:42 <rda_> looking for the link
19:42:53 <rda_> http://blog.mageia.org/en/?p=1834&preview=true
19:43:31 <marja> rda_: of course I don't remember my password :[
19:44:17 <marja> nor how to log in when I remember /o\
19:44:29 <coincoin> marja: http://blog.mageia.org/en/wp-admin
19:44:31 <[mbot> [ Mageia Blog (English) Log In ]
19:44:37 <marja> coincoin: thx
19:44:42 <coincoin> yw
19:44:48 <ennael> can we close this topic ?
19:45:26 <ennael> let say yes :)
19:45:32 <marja> ennael: yes
19:45:34 <ennael> #topic Next blog posts
19:45:55 <rda_> well, mine, for one.
19:46:09 <ennael> yep
19:46:14 <ennael> can you add it in list https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning
19:46:28 <ennael> this topic is only a reminder after summer break
19:46:35 <ennael> we need to communicate again on Mageia
19:47:05 <MrsB> Can we fill the gaps with more interviews?
19:47:17 <ennael> sure
19:47:23 <MrsB> we had a good response from the one i did
19:47:36 <ennael> what about leuhmanu ?
19:47:36 <ennael> :)
19:47:45 <MrsB> now theres an idea!
19:47:57 <marja> ennael: perfect :)
19:48:00 <ennael> deal
19:48:08 <MrsB> Leuhmanu: the man behind the bug
19:48:11 <ennael> leuhmanu: I will send you some questions :)
19:48:13 <leuhmanu> pff
19:48:25 <marja> yep, and it might attract new bug squad members :)
19:48:36 <leuhmanu> will try to make real answer
19:48:54 <coincoin> I would like to make a blog post about our trip in Marseille. If ok, I will add it to the wiki
19:49:27 <ennael> coincoin: add it in list
19:49:34 <coincoin> k
19:49:36 <ennael> it's a fifo one :)
19:50:02 <coincoin> I'm waiting for alpha1 release, right?
19:50:15 <marja> what is fifo?
19:50:27 <ennael> first in first out
19:50:32 <marja> OK :)
19:50:59 <ennael> we can have financial report tonight, alpha 1 and marseille
19:51:01 <ennael> wdyt ?
19:51:22 <MrsB> in one post?
19:51:41 <rda_> heeee no. in separate ones. :)
19:51:46 <MrsB> phew!
19:51:50 <MrsB> tl;dr
19:51:59 <rda_> :)
19:52:03 <coincoin> ennael: I agree
19:52:23 <ennael> tsss :)
19:52:25 <ennael> ok
19:52:33 <ennael> do we have any other topic for tonight ?
19:52:41 <coincoin> not for me
19:52:46 <leuhmanu> a really little one
19:52:51 <ennael> yep
19:52:55 <ennael> #chair leuhmanu
19:52:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael leuhmanu
19:52:58 <leuhmanu> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-09/msg00000.html
19:52:59 <[mbot> [ council - Council discussions - arc_protect ]
19:53:06 <marja> ah
19:53:11 <ennael> leuhmanu: add a topic please
19:53:19 <leuhmanu> #topic Installer license
19:53:37 <ennael> thanks
19:53:45 <leuhmanu> so I have see at least 2-3 sentence that we should review
19:53:56 <leuhmanu> one for the documentation
19:54:24 <leuhmanu> and one for the logo/ mageia brand
19:54:59 <leuhmanu> Documentation written
19:55:00 <leuhmanu> by Mageia is governed by a specific license. Please refer to the documentation for
19:55:02 <leuhmanu> further details.
19:55:13 <leuhmanu> and
19:55:14 <leuhmanu> \"Mageia\" and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia
19:55:38 <leuhmanu> I think we whould update it
19:55:41 <marja> leuhmanu: documentation is cc by-sa 3.0
19:56:02 <MrsB> i never liked having to accept a license when installing, do we still need it there?
19:56:14 <MrsB> o/t though sorry
19:56:56 <leuhmanu> ok for the doc
19:57:17 <leuhmanu> on for the logo/brand then ?
19:57:44 <rda_> they are trademarks of Mageia, and licensed under CC-By-SA
19:58:09 <rda_> well, of Mageia.Org actually (association)
19:58:48 <leuhmanu> oh
19:59:06 <leuhmanu> (the full license is here: http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm?view=co)
20:00:44 <leuhmanu> so I was wrong, and there is nothing to fix ?
20:01:05 <marja> leuhmanu: well, it could be enhanced
20:02:03 <marja> leuhmanu: I think it would be better to mention the cc by-sa licence
20:02:08 <MrsB> it'd need somebody with legal experience to verify it i would think
20:05:41 <ennael> comment ? idea ?
20:06:33 <MrsB> remove it :) but i agree with leuhmanu
20:06:59 <rda_> documentation => explicit that it's CC-By-SA
20:07:12 <rda_> Mageia + logo => they are trademarks => no change
20:07:15 <MrsB> should we employ a legal person to check it afterwards?
20:07:43 <rda_> if we find one to do so. would fredix be available for that?
20:08:54 <ennael> just ping him I guess :)
20:08:56 <ennael> in french
20:08:59 <marja> rda_: he did say some time ago he was willing to look into something else
20:09:31 <marja> rda_: yes, he also mentioned he doesn't have time for such things in English :)
20:09:46 <rda_> well, the point is who is leading this very topic? leuhmanu ?
20:10:05 <leuhmanu> I don't see how
20:10:11 <rda_> you don't see how what?
20:11:32 <marja> how to translate the licence into French?
20:12:05 * marja thinks it is in french in svn
20:12:53 <leuhmanu> what to do for have a progress
20:13:16 <rda_> leuhmanu: well, for one, just change what you asked (and got the answer) and we'll see later for the rest
20:13:52 <leuhmanu> can't do that :)
20:13:59 <rda_> leuhmanu: commit rights?
20:14:02 <leuhmanu> or I have to ask someone else
20:14:04 <leuhmanu> nop
20:14:13 <rda_> leuhmanu: open a bug with a patch then
20:14:24 <leuhmanu> ok
20:16:07 <marja> leuhmanu: please cc i18n, so they are aware this is coming
20:16:51 <leuhmanu> yep, I have already a bug for the license (not translated) will add it as blocker
20:17:03 <rda_> ok, next topic or all closed for tonight?
20:17:11 <leuhmanu> ok for me
20:17:35 <marja> nothing here..... or it should be that I think leuhmany should have commit rights
20:17:43 <marja> -y +u
20:18:07 <leuhmanu> well first I have to learn svn for asking them
20:18:44 <marja> leuhmanu: most people learn how to use them after they get them
20:20:53 <ennael> ca we see that after meeting ?
20:21:19 <marja> close meeting ?
20:21:28 <ennael> kind of :)
20:21:38 <leuhmanu> #endmeeting