19:17:25 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:17:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Sep 3 19:17:25 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:17:25 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:17:53 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 alpha 1 release 19:18:28 <ennael> So as you may have seen alpha 1 will be delayed a bit 19:19:44 <ennael> a few days it will depend on the result of the tests 19:20:14 <sebsebseb> hi 19:20:52 <sebsebseb> Thats ok to delay a few days. 19:21:30 <ennael> well it's not a question to be ok it has to be... 19:21:56 <ennael> if you have a look on tmb last mail on council ML, we may not have any live cds for alpha1 19:22:17 <ennael> live cds are using a file system named unionfs, a compressed one 19:22:35 <ennael> pb is unionfs uses to break at every kernel releases 19:22:45 <ennael> and it happens again now 19:22:49 <marja> :/ 19:23:11 <ennael> the best is unionfs seems to be unmaintained for a while now 19:23:19 <ennael> so we may switch to another one 19:23:42 <marja> OK 19:23:54 <ennael> it will take time and maybe it's not that useful to spend time to fix unionfs 19:24:27 <marja> the problems with the DVD are all fixed, now? 19:24:32 <ennael> nearly 19:24:43 <ennael> some glitches to be fixed in last set of isos 19:24:47 <marja> OK 19:25:19 <sebsebseb> I don't really know much about this myself, but sure switch over to something else if it works better I guess, even if it takes some time to get properly sorted out as well. 19:26:37 <leuhmanu> maybe we should speak about the real issue for the livecd when we announce the alpha 19:26:43 <ennael> yep 19:26:53 <ennael> it's better to explain what is going on 19:27:00 <sebsebseb> indeed it is 19:27:02 <sebsebseb> nice and open :) 19:27:16 <marja> :) 19:27:17 <sebsebseb> and honest 19:27:24 <leuhmanu> (and why not found help) 19:27:32 <ennael> ok anything else to add on that topic ? 19:27:36 <marja> leuhmanu: who knows :) 19:27:46 <ennael> otherwise this first alpha looks rather good for an alpha release 19:27:55 <sebsebseb> I think it's ok to release Alpha 1 without Live CD's, but yep tell people why in the blog post :). 19:28:20 <marja> ennael: nice ..... and nothing to add here 19:28:41 <sebsebseb> DVD is mainly used for testing of alpha's I guess anyway, and nothing more to add on this topic from me. 19:29:11 <ennael> #info alpha1 will be released in a few days without live cds, reasons will be explained 19:29:54 <ennael> #topic Hosting and servers 19:30:29 <ennael> so we have at the moment 2 servers, whose names are rabbit and twiska 19:30:44 <ennael> both were hosted for free 19:31:00 <ennael> first one is build machine for isos, second is a mirror for Mageia 19:31:43 <ennael> This has now changed and we must pay for it 19:32:11 <ennael> so the first one will be replaced by a new server installed in datacenter during last trip in Marseille 19:32:37 <ennael> but until it's ready we need to pay for the current server 19:32:57 <ennael> the second one has no replacement for now so it will simply removed 19:33:10 <ennael> we may ask a frecn provider to host a Mageia mirror 19:33:11 <ennael> instead 19:33:16 <marja> OK 19:33:24 <ennael> does it look reasonable ? 19:33:31 <MrsB> sorry I'm late 19:33:36 <marja> yes, it does 19:33:42 <sebsebseb> MrsB: hi 19:33:44 <coincoin> yep, the new rabbit will be available soon so... 19:33:49 <marja> MrsB: hi :) 19:33:49 <MrsB> hi :) 19:34:15 <marja> coincoin: good :) 19:35:14 <rda_> ennael: yes 19:35:27 <coincoin> rda_: \o/ 19:35:34 <MrsB> we may be getting a UK mirror too, malo heard back from mirrorservice.org 19:35:41 <ennael> great 19:35:47 <marja> nice :) 19:36:04 <ennael> rda_: you may take the opportunity to speak about your blog post .? 19:36:35 <sebsebseb> MrsB: oh for ISO's? 19:36:41 <rda_> ennael: yep, but did we reach this topic already? 19:36:54 <rda_> actually, I'm more looking for someone to proofread it 19:37:05 <rda_> (link posted on council ml) 19:37:05 <ennael> nope but speaking about financial issues about hosting 19:37:16 <MrsB> who is able to proofread blog posts? 19:37:39 <marja> rda_: sorry, I never got around to figuring out how worlpress works 19:37:44 <sebsebseb> I can help a bit with that I guess :), not amazing at English writing/typing though. 19:37:45 <marja> +d 19:37:56 <rda_> ennael: ah. well, that's not really an issue. 19:38:26 <sebsebseb> rda_: give me a link, and I'll have a look at the blog post 19:38:36 <rda_> it's only that our revenues don't scale to afford a monthly 200 € fee for hosting, especially because at this point of the year, we have a ~ 4000 euros net loss just after the 2 servers purchase 19:38:43 <rda_> (sorry lots of info in a single sentence :-p ) 19:38:43 <marja> MrsB: coincoin can give you login credentials 19:38:52 <MrsB> thanks marja 19:39:15 <rda_> sebsebseb: thanks, but I'd prefer a native English (perhaps even British) writer 19:39:33 <sebsebseb> rda_: uh I am 19:39:37 <marja> lol 19:40:02 <rda_> ho, sorry. you said "not amazing at English writing", that's why I said that 19:40:33 <marja> sebsebseb: that must be your Swedish blood ;) 19:41:20 <ennael> anything else to add on that topic ? 19:41:41 <marja> yes 19:41:42 <sebsebseb> I was thinking about English GCSE etc when I put that, anyway got a good enough grade, also really that's more about poems and stories and such uh 19:42:17 <marja> I suppose the blog post tells how to donate if people feel the need ? 19:42:35 <rda_> marja: not exactly 19:42:37 <rda_> but in part 19:42:42 <rda_> looking for the link 19:42:53 <rda_> http://blog.mageia.org/en/?p=1834&preview=true 19:43:31 <marja> rda_: of course I don't remember my password :[ 19:44:17 <marja> nor how to log in when I remember /o\ 19:44:29 <coincoin> marja: http://blog.mageia.org/en/wp-admin 19:44:31 <[mbot> [ Mageia Blog (English) Log In ] 19:44:37 <marja> coincoin: thx 19:44:42 <coincoin> yw 19:44:48 <ennael> can we close this topic ? 19:45:26 <ennael> let say yes :) 19:45:32 <marja> ennael: yes 19:45:34 <ennael> #topic Next blog posts 19:45:55 <rda_> well, mine, for one. 19:46:09 <ennael> yep 19:46:14 <ennael> can you add it in list https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Blog_articles_planning 19:46:28 <ennael> this topic is only a reminder after summer break 19:46:35 <ennael> we need to communicate again on Mageia 19:47:05 <MrsB> Can we fill the gaps with more interviews? 19:47:17 <ennael> sure 19:47:23 <MrsB> we had a good response from the one i did 19:47:36 <ennael> what about leuhmanu ? 19:47:36 <ennael> :) 19:47:45 <MrsB> now theres an idea! 19:47:57 <marja> ennael: perfect :) 19:48:00 <ennael> deal 19:48:08 <MrsB> Leuhmanu: the man behind the bug 19:48:11 <ennael> leuhmanu: I will send you some questions :) 19:48:13 <leuhmanu> pff 19:48:25 <marja> yep, and it might attract new bug squad members :) 19:48:36 <leuhmanu> will try to make real answer 19:48:54 <coincoin> I would like to make a blog post about our trip in Marseille. If ok, I will add it to the wiki 19:49:27 <ennael> coincoin: add it in list 19:49:34 <coincoin> k 19:49:36 <ennael> it's a fifo one :) 19:50:02 <coincoin> I'm waiting for alpha1 release, right? 19:50:15 <marja> what is fifo? 19:50:27 <ennael> first in first out 19:50:32 <marja> OK :) 19:50:59 <ennael> we can have financial report tonight, alpha 1 and marseille 19:51:01 <ennael> wdyt ? 19:51:22 <MrsB> in one post? 19:51:41 <rda_> heeee no. in separate ones. :) 19:51:46 <MrsB> phew! 19:51:50 <MrsB> tl;dr 19:51:59 <rda_> :) 19:52:03 <coincoin> ennael: I agree 19:52:23 <ennael> tsss :) 19:52:25 <ennael> ok 19:52:33 <ennael> do we have any other topic for tonight ? 19:52:41 <coincoin> not for me 19:52:46 <leuhmanu> a really little one 19:52:51 <ennael> yep 19:52:55 <ennael> #chair leuhmanu 19:52:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael leuhmanu 19:52:58 <leuhmanu> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-09/msg00000.html 19:52:59 <[mbot> [ council - Council discussions - arc_protect ] 19:53:06 <marja> ah 19:53:11 <ennael> leuhmanu: add a topic please 19:53:19 <leuhmanu> #topic Installer license 19:53:37 <ennael> thanks 19:53:45 <leuhmanu> so I have see at least 2-3 sentence that we should review 19:53:56 <leuhmanu> one for the documentation 19:54:24 <leuhmanu> and one for the logo/ mageia brand 19:54:59 <leuhmanu> Documentation written 19:55:00 <leuhmanu> by Mageia is governed by a specific license. Please refer to the documentation for 19:55:02 <leuhmanu> further details. 19:55:13 <leuhmanu> and 19:55:14 <leuhmanu> \"Mageia\" and associated logos are trademarks of Mageia 19:55:38 <leuhmanu> I think we whould update it 19:55:41 <marja> leuhmanu: documentation is cc by-sa 3.0 19:56:02 <MrsB> i never liked having to accept a license when installing, do we still need it there? 19:56:14 <MrsB> o/t though sorry 19:56:56 <leuhmanu> ok for the doc 19:57:17 <leuhmanu> on for the logo/brand then ? 19:57:44 <rda_> they are trademarks of Mageia, and licensed under CC-By-SA 19:58:09 <rda_> well, of Mageia.Org actually (association) 19:58:48 <leuhmanu> oh 19:59:06 <leuhmanu> (the full license is here: http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/messages.pm?view=co) 20:00:44 <leuhmanu> so I was wrong, and there is nothing to fix ? 20:01:05 <marja> leuhmanu: well, it could be enhanced 20:02:03 <marja> leuhmanu: I think it would be better to mention the cc by-sa licence 20:02:08 <MrsB> it'd need somebody with legal experience to verify it i would think 20:05:41 <ennael> comment ? idea ? 20:06:33 <MrsB> remove it :) but i agree with leuhmanu 20:06:59 <rda_> documentation => explicit that it's CC-By-SA 20:07:12 <rda_> Mageia + logo => they are trademarks => no change 20:07:15 <MrsB> should we employ a legal person to check it afterwards? 20:07:43 <rda_> if we find one to do so. would fredix be available for that? 20:08:54 <ennael> just ping him I guess :) 20:08:56 <ennael> in french 20:08:59 <marja> rda_: he did say some time ago he was willing to look into something else 20:09:31 <marja> rda_: yes, he also mentioned he doesn't have time for such things in English :) 20:09:46 <rda_> well, the point is who is leading this very topic? leuhmanu ? 20:10:05 <leuhmanu> I don't see how 20:10:11 <rda_> you don't see how what? 20:11:32 <marja> how to translate the licence into French? 20:12:05 * marja thinks it is in french in svn 20:12:53 <leuhmanu> what to do for have a progress 20:13:16 <rda_> leuhmanu: well, for one, just change what you asked (and got the answer) and we'll see later for the rest 20:13:52 <leuhmanu> can't do that :) 20:13:59 <rda_> leuhmanu: commit rights? 20:14:02 <leuhmanu> or I have to ask someone else 20:14:04 <leuhmanu> nop 20:14:13 <rda_> leuhmanu: open a bug with a patch then 20:14:24 <leuhmanu> ok 20:16:07 <marja> leuhmanu: please cc i18n, so they are aware this is coming 20:16:51 <leuhmanu> yep, I have already a bug for the license (not translated) will add it as blocker 20:17:03 <rda_> ok, next topic or all closed for tonight? 20:17:11 <leuhmanu> ok for me 20:17:35 <marja> nothing here..... or it should be that I think leuhmany should have commit rights 20:17:43 <marja> -y +u 20:18:07 <leuhmanu> well first I have to learn svn for asking them 20:18:44 <marja> leuhmanu: most people learn how to use them after they get them 20:20:53 <ennael> ca we see that after meeting ? 20:21:19 <marja> close meeting ? 20:21:28 <ennael> kind of :) 20:21:38 <leuhmanu> #endmeeting