19:16:12 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:16:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jun 4 19:16:12 2012 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:16:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:16:15 <ennael> hi all 19:16:18 <sebsebseb> hi 19:16:46 <ennael> so do we have other topics to be added? 19:17:01 <Max__> Maybe we want to talk about the three-team merger? 19:17:15 <sebsebseb> three-team merger ?? 19:17:23 <ennael> yep we can do it during teams review 19:17:32 <ennael> sebsebseb: please read council ML first 19:17:58 <ennael> I will just add a quick topic in the beginning about last event on design 19:18:02 <sebsebseb> yeah just re loaded the archive 19:18:22 <ennael> #topic Update of Mageia 2 following design issue 19:18:38 <ennael> ok everybody followed this? 19:18:42 <marja> yep 19:18:44 <obgr_seneca> yep :/ 19:18:48 <Max__> Yep. 19:18:59 <coincoin> yes 19:19:03 <coincoin> hi all 19:19:09 <marja> coincoin: hi 19:19:10 <obgr_seneca> hi coincoin 19:19:11 <ennael> so all is solved now 19:19:22 <ennael> isos and packages have been updated and communication done 19:19:23 <sebsebseb> the background stuff, yep I know about that 19:19:27 <marja> I'm impressed by how fast it was solved! 19:19:43 <ennael> a big thank to QA team and tmb 19:19:47 <Max__> Kudos for that go to schultz, ennael and TeaAge. 19:19:48 <obgr_seneca> we were lucky, the original artist was as understanding as he was 19:19:54 <ennael> yep 19:20:16 <ennael> also it seems this guy may be ok to work on Mageia design depending on what we will ask for it 19:20:30 <marja> :) 19:20:31 <Stormi> I think the guy was lucky too, in the end 19:20:33 <obgr_seneca> that sounds good 19:20:36 <Stormi> he got publicity 19:20:45 <ennael> Stormi: well we too :) 19:20:55 <ennael> but it should have been better not to manage such issue 19:20:57 <Stormi> ok, so let's make more mistakes! 19:21:02 * ennael slaps Stormi 19:21:44 <ennael> so topic closed but we may have to speak again all this in other topics 19:21:53 <ennael> meaning how to avoid such things 19:22:25 <ennael> anything to add on this? 19:22:35 <obgr_seneca> not at this time 19:22:44 <ennael> ok 19:22:50 <ennael> next topic then :) 19:23:03 <ennael> #topic teams review: post-mortem, specifications, any other points about organization, pb... 19:23:17 <ennael> let's have marcom, artwork and web at the end 19:23:24 <sebsebseb> ok 19:23:32 <ennael> so QA, want to start .? 19:23:33 <sebsebseb> three way team thing at end, ok 19:24:53 <ennael> QA? 19:24:56 <coincoin> so, fo QA, we are doing new elections to manage team 19:25:34 <coincoin> we will soon have a new team leader and we will work on process/getting new people/attracting people 19:25:58 <coincoin> QA did a great work for 2 (thanks to a few people) 19:26:15 <coincoin> the aim for future is to be sure to have more people in rush release 19:26:31 <coincoin> election will start on Wednesday 19:26:38 <ennael> #info QA team is organizing elections for team leader on wednesday 19:26:52 <rda_> question: couldn't some QA bits be automated before the release rush? (or plans to automate be laid out) 19:27:24 <coincoin> rda_: it's in the pipe... we already talked a lot of time about this, perhaps the new team leader will find people to work on it 19:27:26 <ennael> wanted to ask about it as it can be part of specifications 19:27:43 <ennael> have you finalized post-mortem ? 19:28:02 <coincoin> not yet as MrB is away for a few days 19:28:56 <ennael> ok 19:29:11 <ennael> we can finalize it for next week 19:29:19 <ennael> but still there some items on wiki already 19:29:37 <ennael> what about updates and backports ? 19:29:48 <coincoin> Stormi: do you want to deal this part? 19:30:08 <Stormi> well 19:30:40 <Stormi> what me need is a procedure for QA and backports + 1 for parallel updates, right? 19:31:13 <ennael> at least have a clear position so that we can discuss on packagers meeting 19:31:20 <Stormi> yes 19:31:20 <ennael> and also advertise it if needed 19:31:23 <coincoin> yes, that's what we told on last meeting 19:31:47 <Stormi> I'll see with MrsB so that we make sure to come with our propositions to the meeting 19:31:54 <ennael> ok 19:31:59 <Stormi> and I think coincoin and I will be there during the meeting 19:32:02 <Stormi> and MrsB too 19:32:06 <ennael> ok thanks 19:32:26 <ennael> boklm: we need also to have your position from sysadmin pov 19:32:30 <coincoin> to summarize, QA said "ok to deal with ALL backports" 19:33:03 <Stormi> "but help us to test and find testers or you will wait longer :)" 19:33:13 <marja> :) 19:33:22 <ennael> any priority in all this ? 19:33:34 <Stormi> you mean between updates and backports? 19:33:37 <ennael> yep 19:33:38 <Stormi> yes 19:33:40 <Stormi> updates first 19:33:42 <ennael> ok 19:33:48 <Stormi> backports when we have time 19:34:00 <ennael> tmb, boklm can we have something done so that QA team can push updates? 19:34:08 <Stormi> that's why we have to advertise the fact that users helping to test the backports means more backports 19:34:16 <ennael> yep 19:34:43 <ennael> #info QA team will support backports testing and advertise about it to get more testers 19:35:00 <ennael> #info priority will remain on updates management 19:35:23 <tmb> ennael: well, I dont know if the mgarepo tool boklm was working on is ready... 19:35:32 <ennael> boklm: ? 19:35:46 * boklm need to look at it again 19:35:59 <ennael> we can also ask for help to pterjan for example 19:36:22 <boklm> yes 19:36:44 <ennael> #action boklm needs to review mgarepo to allow QA pushing updates on mirrors 19:36:58 <ennael> #action ennael will see with pterjan if he can give a hand on this 19:37:09 <ennael> ok QA anything else ? 19:37:39 <coincoin> not for me 19:37:59 <ennael> ok triage team ? 19:37:59 <Stormi> we can proceed to next team 19:38:06 <ennael> leuhmanu: around ? 19:38:36 <ennael> ok next one we will see if he is there later 19:38:39 <ennael> i18n ? 19:38:48 <ennael> obgr_seneca: ? 19:38:59 <obgr_seneca> post mortem for i18n just started 19:39:10 <obgr_seneca> I have to get back in the loop 19:39:22 <obgr_seneca> we will discuss for the next two weeks or so 19:39:32 <ennael> as a reminder, https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem 19:39:33 <obgr_seneca> main topic will be what to do about tx 19:40:00 <ennael> can you explain a bit more for all here. 19:40:00 <ennael> ? 19:40:13 <marja> transifex? 19:40:19 <ennael> yep 19:40:22 <obgr_seneca> transifex is more or less broken since the server upgrade to Mga1 19:40:35 <obgr_seneca> and some people are unhappy with it either way 19:40:55 <obgr_seneca> so we are considering if we should try and setup a complete new instance of tx 19:41:04 <obgr_seneca> move to tx.net like fedora did 19:41:14 <obgr_seneca> or use an alternative platform like pootle or weblate 19:41:52 <obgr_seneca> that's about all I can say for now 19:41:59 <ennael> ok 19:42:05 <ennael> is sysadmin team in the loop ? 19:42:34 <obgr_seneca> at least misc was and there were some bug reports about it 19:43:04 <ennael> #info i18n team is disussing about Transifex issues, either to fix it or move to another somution 19:43:07 <ennael> #undo 19:43:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x84cbd6c> 19:43:10 <ennael> #info i18n team is disussing about Transifex issues, either to fix it or move to another solution 19:43:11 <obgr_seneca> I will send an email as reminder to sysadm 19:43:19 <ennael> ok thanks 19:43:32 <ennael> #action obgr_seneca will mail sysadmin to have them in the loop 19:43:36 <ennael> ok anything else ? 19:43:36 <obgr_seneca> thx 19:43:42 <obgr_seneca> not from me 19:43:49 <ennael> ok 19:43:51 <ennael> docteam ? 19:44:07 <marja> we wrote some things down 19:44:11 <marja> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Documentation 19:44:34 <marja> the idea was to first come up with ideas, and then from now on to discuss the ideas 19:44:41 <ennael> ok 19:44:45 <marja> so we'll need another week 19:44:49 <ennael> good job on Mageia 2 :) 19:44:55 <marja> thx :) 19:45:29 <ennael> #info docteam is working on postmortem and ideas and will be ready for next week 19:45:33 <ennael> anything else ? 19:45:35 <marja> yes 19:46:08 <marja> some of us feel we should know how stage 2 links to the help files, because some things went wrong there 19:46:34 <marja> I think it is great some of us, like papoteur, have been searching 19:46:38 <ennael> did you check it with tv? 19:46:57 <marja> he knows what was done, he was cc'ed 19:47:16 <ennael> well he knows that but does he knows about your need? :) 19:47:47 <marja> there are two bug reports assigned to him about this issue 19:47:58 <ennael> ok I will ping him about this 19:48:03 <ennael> and put you in copy 19:48:08 <marja> thx :) 19:48:28 <ennael> #action ennael will mail tv and marja to check what went wrong in installer help 19:48:39 <ennael> anything else? 19:48:47 <marja> no, thx :) 19:48:55 <ennael> sysadmin ? 19:48:57 <ennael> boklm: ? 19:50:15 <boklm> yes 19:51:12 <boklm> for sysadmin there was 2 things added to postmorten: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Sysadmin 19:51:33 <boklm> - Repository was not cleaned up after final uploads, leaving 3 orphan packages 19:52:18 <boklm> - branching of packages was not good for packages submitted to updates_testing repository 19:54:04 <rda_> how many people are active within sysadmin today? 19:55:10 <boklm> maybe 5 or 6, it depends of the time 19:55:47 <ennael> can you plan also to work on planning for coming months ? 19:56:10 <boklm> yes 19:56:48 <ennael> thanks 19:57:10 <ennael> #action sysadmin will write a todo list and planning for coming month 19:57:21 <ennael> anything else ? 19:57:41 <boklm> not for me 19:57:50 <ennael> ok 19:57:55 <ennael> packagers team 19:58:16 <ennael> so post-mortem is done: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Packagers 19:58:33 <ennael> and work on specifications has been launched last week 19:59:01 <ennael> we worked on the way proposals could be made to avoid having thousands of proposals without any details or resources 19:59:35 <ennael> a feature policy has been written, based on Fedora work 19:59:37 <ennael> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Features_policy 20:00:12 <ennael> so anybody who wants to propose one will follow it and use a template https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature_Template 20:00:49 <ennael> for now not many proposals but it needs some time to write it 20:00:56 <ennael> there will be a reminder in next meeting 20:01:13 <ennael> I guess features can also be used by other teams 20:02:07 <ennael> I think that's all for packagers for now 20:02:39 <marja> ennael: I'm thinking about all those forum visitors with broken upgrades and such........ I understand making sure that won't happen again can't be proposal 20:02:56 <ennael> well not really 20:03:11 <ennael> but proposing methods or tests to check this can be a proposal 20:03:20 <marja> OK 20:03:28 <DavidWHodgins> marja: I think having a non-free dvd image would help for a lot of them. 20:03:48 <marja> DavidWHodgins: it sure would...... and that counts as new feature :) 20:03:57 <obgr_seneca> or just using online repos + free dvd 20:04:02 <ennael> about media 20:04:12 <ennael> I'd like to propose a topic for next topic if you agree 20:04:23 <marja> :) 20:04:25 <marja> OK 20:04:28 <sebsebseb> hi DavidWHodgins 20:04:36 <DavidWHodgins> sebsebseb: HiYa 20:04:37 <ennael> as it's a big one and we need to define something reasonable 20:05:25 <ennael> as a side not before webartcom, we will have a meeting tomorrow evening about forums 20:05:36 <ennael> to finalize proposals made some weeks ago 20:06:19 <ennael> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2604 20:06:20 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - Meeting proposal: let's go and finalize ] 20:06:25 <ennael> so now webartcom 20:06:26 <ennael> :) 20:06:41 <ennael> (this trish idea about name :p) 20:06:43 <marja> I'm getting used to the name ;) 20:06:54 <sebsebseb> yep it's a good idea :) 20:06:58 <ennael> did everyone take time to read council ML ? 20:07:02 <sebsebseb> yep :) 20:07:03 <marja> yes 20:07:10 <ennael> Max__: ? 20:07:16 <ennael> rda_: ? 20:07:31 <Max__> You know my feelings about this. 20:07:55 <ennael> ok you will explain us 20:08:01 <ennael> quick summary 20:08:22 <rda_> yep, answered as well 20:08:27 <Max__> Webteam, artwork and marcom have overlapping responsibilities and little manpower (each). 20:08:39 <Max__> Therefore it makes sense to merge them into one team. 20:08:40 <ennael> due to lack of resources and difficulties in teams, trish mailed council ML and proposed to have a team for web, artwork and com 20:08:54 <rda_> overlapping? no. little manpower, yes. 20:09:04 <sebsebseb> rda_: website needs graphics, and content 20:09:08 <sebsebseb> marketing needs artwork at times 20:09:10 <ennael> little manpower but also a need of coordination 20:09:13 <Max__> rda_: you weren't around when tumbeliina and I were helping obgr_seneca work on the wiki upgrade. 20:09:22 <Max__> And we always try to help out marcom. 20:09:32 <Max__> Posters, T-shirts, stickers.... 20:09:37 <sebsebseb> marcom and artwork have been working together a lot 20:10:15 <ennael> well we also had very hard time with Mageia 2 release 20:10:41 <ennael> and also we miss a *real* designer 20:10:47 <sebsebseb> yep it was a difficult release cycle for both marcom and artwork 20:10:59 <ennael> not only 20:11:06 <sebsebseb> and other teams as well yep :) 20:11:15 <ennael> integrating artwork 1 week before final release is just non sense 20:11:34 * obgr_seneca should leave, cu 20:11:42 <marja> obgr_seneca: good night 20:11:44 <marja> too late 20:11:47 <sebsebseb> to late 20:11:49 <sebsebseb> yep 20:12:12 <rda_> we miss a group to take direction from someone with a clear understanding and vision, and have it produced and applied downstream, in time, on schedule. 20:12:38 <sebsebseb> a group or person? 20:12:59 <rda_> neither web, neither artwork, neither mar com delivered. or only very partially, and in too little time and completeness. harsh, but true. 20:13:27 <sebsebseb> agreed, with more people, all three teams could have done something better 20:13:28 <rda_> sebsebseb: a group of people _making_ things. and remaking again. and again. 20:14:11 <rda_> just pinging a graphic designer and asking for this or for that, without having an upstream vision and direction to put in consistence, doesn't lead to much either. 20:14:28 <sebsebseb> yep 20:15:32 <rda_> so we have a serious problem of skills (to think and understand the problems, and to guess and make possible solutions) and of dedication (to spend the time here to make and to dispatch work) 20:15:35 <rda_> so how do we do? 20:16:00 <sebsebseb> I have time, but lack of skills 20:17:08 <sebsebseb> I think merging the three teams is a great idea, see how things go, can do a vote like a normal team, who wants to be leader? who wants to be deputy leader, and take things from there 20:17:15 <rda_> sebsebseb: so that's nice to propose, but unfortunately, skills are needed. or find a mentor to help you grow these (art school is a possible start) 20:17:42 <rda_> I agree about merging the teams too, but it should not continue to work as all three before did. 20:18:19 <Max__> Part of the problems that we had was that we had some poorly defined goals. With a well defined goal I can usually figure out what needs to get done. 20:18:32 <sebsebseb> bingo 20:18:41 <sebsebseb> at times it was rather unclear, as to what was really needed, that's for marketing and artwork 20:18:54 <ennael> ok 20:18:56 <Max__> Also there were some unclear and ambiguous constraints which kept coming back to bite us. 20:18:56 <marja> rda_: do you agree with Trish it would take 20 hours a week to lead the triple team? 20:19:26 <marja> Max__: can you give an example? 20:19:40 <rda_> guys, if you think the goals are poorly defined, say it and think about it and propose those goals. don't wait for the end to come. 20:19:52 <rda_> Max__: what constraints 20:19:55 <Max__> Every time we came up with a new MCC icon it got shot down because of changing the Mageia logo or something. 20:20:01 <Max__> Same dal with the installer screens. 20:20:03 <rda_> marja: that's a minimum if we want to move forward 20:20:09 <sebsebseb> yep the installer screens, what a mess 20:20:10 <marja> rda_: ok 20:20:16 <marja> Max__: thx 20:20:22 <rda_> Max__: basic artwork design constraints 20:20:36 <Max__> Yes, unclear. and undefined. 20:20:55 * sebsebseb agrees with Max__ 20:20:56 <rda_> if you don't know about typical logo guidelines, yes, you can call this unclear. 20:21:20 <rda_> but I've raised several times the point about the "new color palette" that was not finished, not tested, so finally, not good for prod. 20:21:29 <ennael> that's what I tried to explain about mcc icon for example 20:21:31 <rda_> I got zero answer or artifact to move forward 20:21:36 <ennael> I'm not a designer 20:21:43 <ennael> but I used to work with one in mdv 20:21:47 <Max__> That too. People said "we need a color palette." But not what a color palette is or what one does with it. 20:21:51 <ennael> and there are some basics to draw an icon 20:22:28 <rda_> Max__: if you don't know what it is, ask, or learn. but don't start without documenting or checking what the feedback was. 20:22:55 <rda_> I'm not complaining about the help you wanted to bring and you brought 20:23:04 <Max__> The color palette was back when the "functioning team" was me and tumbeliina. And I was in the middle of finals. 20:23:10 <Max__> There was zero time. 20:23:12 <rda_> what I point out is that a minimum understanding of the craft is needed 20:23:18 <rda_> ok, no problem then. just say it. 20:23:51 <ennael> ok let's try to summarize 20:24:07 <Max__> Hel, I'm still not sure how exactly I got roped into being team leadr and what I'm supposed to be doing. 20:24:35 <Max__> But I am trying my damndest to do something. 20:24:40 <rda_> Max__: no strong feelings here. we're trying to find a way. 20:24:50 <marja> Max__: It is great you volunteered to be team leader 20:25:06 <Max__> I didn't. I got volunteered. I'm too nice a guy to refuse. 20:25:09 <marja> Max__: and all the love you gave Mageia is great too 20:25:24 * ennael raises finger or whistle with his fingers 20:25:29 <Max__> It's one of those "If I don't do it, who will?" situations. 20:25:32 <marja> Max__: the other things will be worked out 20:26:11 <Max__> I don't want the merger to be seen as a way for me to shcuk off repsonsibility, I honestly believe that this will help get more things done better, faster and more efficiently with a much better end product. 20:26:28 <ennael> that is not what we said 20:26:49 <rda_> Max__: no one ever said or implied that. 20:26:53 <sebsebseb> the merger will be a good thing, since it will help us all work together more, and get the things done :) 20:26:53 <marja> nobody thinks you want to shake off responsability 20:27:03 <Max__> I know, but it sounds like I'm complaining or making excuses. And I'm not. I'm describing the facts as they happened. 20:27:17 <ennael> ok so let's summarize for real now 20:27:35 <ennael> everybody agree that current situation is not good? 20:27:41 <marja> yep 20:27:44 <sebsebseb> people only have so much time for Mageia, another reason the merger is a great idea :) 20:27:50 <ennael> so 20:28:04 <ennael> we need skilled people to give directions 20:28:27 <sebsebseb> we lack skilled people in certain teams 20:28:33 <ennael> we need real designers to work on it as it really needs specific skills 20:28:49 <sebsebseb> in fact we have loads of Mageia users really I guess, or quite a lot, but not that many contributers hmm, maybe we can work on that, try and attract people to contribute from the wider community more, to join a team I mean :) 20:28:55 <Max__> iamoverrated said he was in contact with a couple of designers. 20:29:02 <ennael> we need coordination between all people and wiuth other teams like QA and packagers 20:29:15 <ennael> so here is a proposal 20:29:36 <ennael> we merge teams in webartcom 20:29:53 <ennael> I propose to have rda_ and trish as leaders as it takes time 20:30:05 <sebsebseb> ok what about deputy leaders? 20:30:17 <ennael> they will be kind enough to teach what they know so that we can have new people next year 20:30:17 <sebsebseb> actsaully 20:30:21 <ennael> sebsebseb: please 20:30:37 <sebsebseb> I think there should be a vote for stuff like that, like other teams, anyway carry on :) 20:30:39 <ennael> everybody here who has designers contacts provides names 20:31:02 <ennael> and 1 or 2 will be chosen 20:31:27 <ennael> we will have a precise description of what Mageia 3 design will be 20:31:41 <ennael> and what marcom plan we want to support this 20:32:03 <ennael> and everybody here will help on that so that it gets integrated, written and so on 20:32:29 <ennael> of course we can officialize with a vote 20:32:37 <ennael> but still we need to move on quickly 20:32:45 <ennael> todo list is huge 20:32:56 <ennael> comments? 20:33:26 <Max__> IN my experience designers are loners, don't work well as part of a team. That will be a problem. 20:33:27 <marja> proposal sounds good....... do rda and trish agree? 20:33:30 <sebsebseb> Merge the teams, and have a vote for who to have as leader and deputy leader I guess, or something like that 20:33:45 <sebsebseb> however Trish made it clear on the counail mailing list how she is quite busy, and so probably woudn't want to lead such a team really for example 20:34:01 <ennael> Max__: they can work on their own but following guidelines 20:34:40 <ennael> sebsebseb: the question here is not about a title but to find a proper organization 20:34:46 <sebsebseb> ennael: indeed 20:35:09 <sebsebseb> yep indeed, it's to change something, so things work better, not about positions/titles :) 20:35:33 <ennael> so one other proposal 20:35:43 <ennael> make this organization ready for next meeting 20:35:45 <tmb> well, rda_ and trish must ack/nack the suggestion... other than that I think it's a way to get started... of course if someone steps up and wants to take the workload (and have the skills) they can speak up 20:35:50 <ennael> it means make it official 20:36:03 <ennael> yep sure 20:36:18 <rda_> I can discuss bits with trish in this case, before we settle on anything. 20:36:19 <sebsebseb> ennael: make it ready for next meeting how? 20:37:25 <ennael> #action rda_ will see with trish to check proposal sounds reasonable 20:37:36 <rda_> ok, let's do it this way. trish and I come back with a plan, and other candidates to lead the thing can ping us 20:37:55 <ennael> can we plan election for this we? 20:38:05 <sebsebseb> where will the elction be for such a team? 20:38:06 <ennael> so that we can close this topic and start? 20:38:14 <sebsebseb> if it's on the council mailing list for example, well I can't send emails there at the moment 20:38:56 <ennael> election can be done by mail or epoll 20:39:14 <sebsebseb> an epoll???? 20:39:26 <rda_> sebsebseb: why can't you? 20:39:31 <ennael> ok any question ? comment ? 20:39:34 <sebsebseb> rda_: since only the deputy leader of the marcom team 20:39:41 <sebsebseb> and deputy leaders can't send to the council mailing list 20:39:48 <rda_> ah 20:40:22 <sebsebseb> really both leaders and deputy leaders should be able to send there as well, and I think Trish would quite agree with me for example 20:40:25 <marja> sebsebseb: you can mail to council@group.mageia.org 20:40:32 <sebsebseb> I think 20:40:39 <sebsebseb> marja: is that the mailing list? 20:41:08 <tmb> well, I guess we wait for plan by rda & trish and take it from there 20:41:09 <marja> sebsebseb: no, but then all council members will see your mail..... one can then decide to forward it to the ml 20:41:15 <sebsebseb> anyway what's an epoll sounds familur, but I am thinking what is it 20:41:22 <sebsebseb> I mean an eletronic poll, but done where? 20:41:31 <ennael> https://epoll.mageia.org/ 20:41:32 <[mbot> [ Epoll 1.90 ] 20:41:36 <sebsebseb> ok thanks :) 20:41:45 <ennael> any other comments ? questions ? 20:41:56 <rda_> ok for me 20:42:14 <sebsebseb> I think deputy leaders should be able to send to council mailing list as well, but already said this really :), anyway ok ready to close meeting 20:42:25 <ennael> nope 20:42:39 <sebsebseb> nope to? mailing list thing? 20:42:47 <ennael> #topic Mageia 3 planning 20:42:57 <sebsebseb> oh there's another topic 20:43:29 <ennael> so as there is no other comment on planning 20:43:33 <ennael> Artwork freeze 07/01/2013 20:43:33 <ennael> i18n freeze 07/01/2013 20:43:49 <ennael> i18n was seen with oliver and artwork answered on ML 20:44:01 <ennael> is it all ok ? we will then publish it 20:44:04 <sebsebseb> have you talked to Olav about Gnome at all? like me he would want Gnome 3.8 in Mageia 3 20:44:31 <sebsebseb> ,but I think that's not released untill April or late March 20:44:48 <ennael> this can be seen later and move date if really needed 20:44:56 <sebsebseb> right ok 20:45:29 <ennael> QA team: try to work on this planning to get testers for these dates 20:45:38 <sebsebseb> ok :) 20:45:54 <ennael> sebsebseb: oh you are new tester :) 20:46:03 <ennael> Stormi, coincoin : new volunteer ! 20:46:07 <sebsebseb> no I am not on the QA team, maybe one day though 20:46:21 <ennael> ok 20:46:38 <ennael> #topic financial review and ask for donation 20:46:40 <ennael> last one 20:47:05 <ennael> rda_: can we plan to have a communication on finances? 20:47:34 <ennael> also maybe as web sites speak a lot about Mageia at the moment ti would be a good time to ask for donations 20:47:39 <rda_> ennael: yep, May has ended and I have to wrap up the past changes 20:47:49 <ennael> at least to finance hardware needs 20:48:03 <rda_> I need projections from sysadmin team for that 20:48:22 <rda_> on several points: 20:48:28 <rda_> - hardware needed as "new" 20:48:55 <rda_> - cost of existing hardware replacement (that is, it's not a 1-1 replacement, as today's hardware may replace 2 or more existing prod hardware) 20:49:57 <rda_> (and actually, each team is entitled to claim for a budget, but it must be defined and justified) 20:50:39 <rda_> for donations, there's a donation bar opened bug (so we have something more visual with goals) but it needs too hands to make it. 20:51:23 <ennael> ok so any deadline for a blog post on finances ? 20:51:58 <rda_> let's say .. not next week, but the week after (before Solutions Linux) 20:52:10 <ennael> ok 20:52:13 <rda_> that makes... 20:52:18 <ennael> week 24 20:52:49 <rda_> 25 actually :) 20:52:51 <rda_> Monday 20:52:54 <rda_> June 18 20:53:03 <ennael> ah ok just before 20:53:17 <ennael> 18th june what a date for donation call :) 20:53:22 <rda_> yep 20:53:23 <rda_> :) 20:53:27 <ennael> ok 20:53:47 <ennael> #action blog post for finances review and donation call is planned for 18th of june 20:53:57 <ennael> general rda_ :) 20:54:30 <ennael> boklm: can you see with sysadmin team about what rda_ asked for? 20:55:27 <ennael> let say "yes" :) 20:55:39 <boklm> ok 20:55:42 <ennael> ah :) 20:56:26 <ennael> thanks for that 20:56:43 <ennael> having a goal for donations will make it more concrete for people 20:57:07 <ennael> ok any comment or questions ? 20:57:19 <marja> no, sounds good 20:57:23 <ennael> (sorry for that looooooong meeting :) ) 20:57:28 <sebsebseb> nope 20:57:29 <marja> np :) 20:57:38 <Max__> We needed it. 20:57:39 <sebsebseb> and yeah long, but that's fine :) 20:57:39 <rda_> boklm: as a reference, it's about the thread started on April 2nd on sysadmin 20:58:21 <boklm> budget for next year ? 21:00:40 <ennael> I think so 21:00:42 <rda_> - what new hardware is needed now, or projected in the next 1 or 2 years 21:00:52 <rda_> - what would it cost to replace existing hardware 21:03:13 <boklm> ok 21:04:02 <rda_> thx 21:04:31 <ennael> ok can we end meeting ? 21:04:37 <marja> :D 21:04:37 <sebsebseb> yep 21:04:41 <tmb> yep 21:04:45 <rda_> ennael: feeling sleepy? 21:04:51 <ennael> a bit :) 21:05:06 <tmb> dreaming about isos ? 21:05:14 <ennael> no way :) 21:05:16 <sebsebseb> marja: feeling slsepy as well? 21:05:20 <rda_> ok, let's end it now then. thanks everyone! 21:05:28 <ennael> ok thanks for attending and have a good week :) 21:05:32 <ennael> #endmeeting