19:12:17 <boklm> #startmeeting
19:12:17 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Oct 24 19:12:17 2011 UTC.  The chair is boklm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:12:27 <boklm> #name Council
19:12:36 <boklm> hello
19:12:38 <misc> hi
19:12:48 <boklm> so first topic is about wiki
19:12:57 <boklm> #topic wiki
19:13:47 <boklm> so wiki has now been setup, and wiki team contacts will receive an email tonight with access to the new wiki
19:14:15 <tmb> great :)
19:14:24 <obgr_seneca> I'm working with a few people from artwork on the skin
19:14:41 <obgr_seneca> I will package it as soon as it's ready
19:14:47 <obgr_seneca> WIP here: http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Main_Page
19:14:57 <boklm> the skin at the moment is the default skin, but can be changed there : http://svnweb.mageia.org/web/templates/mediawiki/skins/
19:15:16 <obgr_seneca> boklm: I know
19:15:47 <boklm> obgr_seneca: nice, so you can commit your new skin there when it's ready
19:15:57 <obgr_seneca> yes, will do
19:16:32 <boklm> anything else to say about wiki ?
19:18:20 <boklm> next topic ?
19:18:33 <tmb> nothing for now... I guess we get more comments when people start using it
19:18:48 <boklm> ok
19:18:59 <boklm> #topic new hardware for BS
19:19:52 <boklm> so today I have been to Nanar's office to take a server that we will use for the backup server
19:20:09 <boklm> it's a server with 3 SATA disks
19:20:37 <coincoin> the Dell server had been bought (for QA and packagers), I received the confirmation by mail today for the build process of the server (we got -15% by Dell via twitter :p)
19:20:37 <boklm> we will start installing the server with Mageia 1 when we have the new disks (3 * 2TB)
19:21:00 <coincoin> HDD will be bought tomorrow
19:21:27 <coincoin> and I bought 2 imx53 boards from Mouser (I paid the income today so shipment will happen tomorrow)
19:21:32 <coincoin> they come from US
19:21:45 <tmb> what about the suggestion to use ssds for buildnodes ?
19:21:54 <coincoin> #info Dell server bought
19:22:06 <coincoin> #info 2 imx53 boards bought
19:22:17 <boklm> #info we have a server for backups
19:22:29 <coincoin> s/a server/fiona/ :p
19:22:48 <misc> I tought it was only 1 arm board that was planned ?
19:23:09 <obgr_seneca> iirc we said in last meeting to buy two
19:23:12 <coincoin> misc: nop, this point was mentionned in a meeting (2 or 3 weeks ago I can remember)
19:23:33 <misc> coincoin: well, on the mail on sysadm, there is only one mentionned
19:23:43 <coincoin> boklm: my #info can't work, you are the only chairman ;)
19:23:56 <misc> and so we need to buy one more disk
19:24:03 <boklm> #chair coincoin
19:24:03 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: boklm coincoin
19:24:17 <coincoin> misc: perhaps, but it was discussed here after the mail on sysadm ML, you will have it in log.summary IIRC
19:24:18 <obgr_seneca> coincoin: #info should work for non chairs as well
19:24:27 <coincoin> obgr_seneca: hum, oki, I was not sure
19:24:44 <boklm> it was decided during last meeting to take 2 ARM SoC
19:25:27 <boklm> for SSD for buildnodes, I did not receive answers to my email. Do you have opinions about this ?
19:26:09 <obgr_seneca> what does our chancelor of the exchequer say?
19:26:22 <obgr_seneca> From a technical viewpoint it should be ok
19:26:32 <tmb> ssds would speed up builds nicely
19:27:33 <misc> so would having 40 servers instead of one, question is do we really need more speed, or are the servers underused ?
19:27:34 <tmb> boklm: what ssds did you think of ?
19:27:58 <obgr_seneca> misc: good point
19:28:31 <coincoin> it won't be a very big cost as it will improve IO on BS, we will use old HDD for jonund and ecosse for the ARM bs, and we won't have to buy a server backup and HDD (and we get 400 � of offer for the Dell server)
19:28:34 <coincoin> tmb: Corsair M4
19:29:09 <misc> because, between having faster build or being able to pay for one more person to fosdem, i would rather see the latter
19:29:54 <obgr_seneca> and as we seldom saw a bottleneck over the last weeks with only one buildnode...
19:30:23 <coincoin> misc: it's not the same thing. :-) we told about an expense for BS on the blog, a lot of ppl send us money for this since 2 weeks (more than 1000 � in 2 weeks), and we will use 2000� less than the first forecast on the blog post
19:30:35 <tmb> coincoin: you mean Crucial M4 ?
19:30:44 <coincoin> tmb: yes, sorry :)
19:30:49 <coincoin> and fosdem is not a big expense: 137 � last year for 2 ppl
19:33:08 <boklm> I think faster servers would be nice, for faster builds, but could also allow us to do automatic QA tests, or full rebuilds of the distribution
19:34:19 <tmb> yeah, I think atleast jonund is starved by i/o
19:35:34 <tmb> so atleast I'd go for the ssds
19:36:18 <coincoin> +1
19:36:32 <boklm> I think it's not that expensive for the improvements it can bring
19:38:48 <obgr_seneca> if both sysadmins and financial think it's ok, so it is with me
19:40:03 <TeaAge> +1
19:41:04 <trishf42> +1
19:41:34 <boklm> difference of price is 760 euros (for 2 SSDs) vs 328 euros (for 3 new HD for build nodes)
19:44:41 <boklm> if we buy SSDs, we can take the disk from jonund and use it in one of the ARM boards
19:44:48 <coincoin> as I said, there is no soucy on a financial POV for Mageia.Org for this
19:45:01 <coincoin> boklm: I already explained this a few minutes ago ;)
19:45:46 <boklm> so what do we decide / how do we decide ?
19:46:13 <coincoin> is there anyone against this purchase?
19:49:27 <boklm> so we can say we buy SSDs in 2 days, unless someone disagree and sends an email on council ?
19:50:09 <tmb> yep
19:51:00 <coincoin> we can also download free ram for our BS: http://downloadmoreram.com/
19:51:15 * coincoin runs
19:51:18 <boklm> misc: or are you against buying SSDs ?
19:54:09 <boklm> anything else to say about this topic ?
19:55:03 <coincoin> not for me
19:55:34 <boklm> next topic ?
19:56:53 <boklm> #topic artwork guidelines
19:56:59 <boklm> rda ?
19:57:01 <boklm> or TeaAge ?
19:57:31 <TeaAge> ok
19:57:45 <TeaAge> we havn't yet hard artwork guidlines
19:58:04 <TeaAge> we have choosen a colour palette
19:58:30 <TeaAge> now we have to start to use it
19:59:03 <TeaAge> for the wiki of course, but we will probably slitly modify the website too, to match the palette
19:59:21 <boklm> is there a URL for the colour palette ?
19:59:35 <TeaAge> yes, wait a minute :)
20:00:03 <TeaAge> http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/Poster2Pallet.png
20:00:19 <boklm> ok
20:00:41 <obgr_seneca> I have to agree with rda we have to choose some main colors and show their usage in a production case
20:00:59 <obgr_seneca> As rda did with the existing website pallette today
20:01:00 <TeaAge> yes
20:01:25 <TeaAge> I think the wiki is very good test case
20:02:01 <obgr_seneca> Using the whole pallette will let us imitate any major distro except suse :D
20:02:36 <TeaAge> that was one of our main tasks for it :D
20:02:56 <obgr_seneca> You mean the "except suse" part :D
20:03:16 <TeaAge> of course :D
20:03:42 <coincoin> :)
20:03:57 <TeaAge> well, let's get back to serious
20:04:22 <obgr_seneca> we have chased trish away....
20:04:31 <TeaAge> my task for the nect artwork meeting is, to create a picture of the wiki with new colours
20:04:39 <rda> sorry, was away a brief moment
20:05:02 <TeaAge> that's why we mentioned you that often ;;)
20:05:53 <rda> han :)
20:06:34 <rda> well, nothing to add. I just emphasize the two points from the ml exchange today: we need an updated charter + samples before deciding.
20:07:20 <obgr_seneca> yes, so TeaAgeif you provide the mentioned samples for the wiki this week?
20:07:35 <TeaAge> I will try :)
20:08:12 <rda> well, www as well, if it's to be updated :)
20:09:33 <TeaAge> it should be possible to just use similar colours from the palatte ...
20:13:41 <TeaAge> I have nothing more to add. Are there questions or comments?
20:13:56 <tmb> not from me
20:13:57 <boklm> not for me
20:15:25 <boklm> is there other topics to discuss tonight ?
20:15:27 <coincoin> not for me
20:15:44 <TeaAge> no
20:15:46 <tmb> one question/suggestion...
20:16:16 <tmb> Should we provide updated isos for Mageia 1  ?
20:16:34 <boklm> #topic Should we provide updated isos for Mageia 1  ?
20:16:52 <obgr_seneca> You mean like Debian is doing with their .0.x isos?
20:16:54 <TeaAge> is there something wrong with the isos?
20:17:10 <leuhmanu> it can be usefull
20:17:17 <boklm> for new hardware support ?
20:17:21 <obgr_seneca> TeaAge: not that I know of, but people installing now, have quite a lot to update
20:17:23 <tmb> so, there has been many requests for updated isos, so people dont have to download a lot of updates
20:17:58 <obgr_seneca> If we can manage it (including qa), why not?
20:18:06 <tmb> An other thing is that current kernel supports more hw than when we released Mageia 1
20:19:08 <boklm> I think we need to see with ennael (if she has time to do new isos), or if other people can do it, and if there is enough people to do QA
20:19:52 <tmb> yep, I just wanted to get people thinking of it...
20:19:52 <obgr_seneca> I could help on qa as before Mga1 release, and I think others could as well
20:20:10 <obgr_seneca> So it depends on ennael and others creating the isos
20:20:49 <coincoin> yes but don't forget that alpha 1/2/3 are also coming and will need qa too
20:21:08 <tmb> true
20:21:15 <obgr_seneca> yes
20:21:39 <tmb> and one thing for Mageia 2... we _need_ 64 bit livecds
20:21:55 <tmb> atleast one Gnome and one KDE
20:22:52 <coincoin> I agree but I think it will be hard to fit it on a single CD... :)
20:23:34 <tmb> coincoin: imho we can use DVD for x86_64
20:23:42 <tmb> (if needed that is)
20:24:19 <coincoin> tmb: DVD live is hard because in a lot of countries without big DSL connexion, ppl can't DL it... :/
20:25:01 <coincoin> but I think that we will find the best way to do a x86_64 livemedia
20:25:03 <tmb> coincoin: you dont need to fill the DVD, but if the livedvd must be 800 or 900MB to cope, that would be enough...
20:25:56 <coincoin> true but some ppl will say "arf, there is a lot of empty place, why not have add a lot of stuff on the media?!"
20:25:56 <coincoin> :)
20:26:23 <AL13N> coincoin: make a second part to put on media with just extra stuff
20:26:29 <tmb> coincoin: for those I guess we need to make a BD iso :)
20:26:55 <coincoin> tmb: or a "DIY how to" :�
20:27:14 <coincoin> AL13N: it means again more QA and work ;)
20:27:29 <leuhmanu> what about an online builder iso ? :p
20:30:10 <tmb> So ... I guess I'll post this same "updated iso" to council ml so all can think of it some more
20:31:27 <boklm> I think an "online builder iso" (like suse studio) would take a lot of resources
20:32:42 <boklm> and would require a lot of work
20:33:43 <boklm> anything else to add, or other topics ?
20:34:16 <TeaAge> no
20:34:33 <boklm> so we can close meeting ?
20:34:37 <tmb> yep
20:34:39 <obgr_seneca> ok with me
20:34:48 <boklm> #endmeeting