19:08:47 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:08:47 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Sep 12 19:08:47 2011 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:08:47 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:08:52 <ennael> hi all 19:09:50 <ennael> ok I'd like to add another topic 19:09:56 <obgr_netbook> yep? 19:09:59 <ennael> final Mageia wiki 19:10:11 <obgr_netbook> oh yes, I wanted to ask myself 19:10:16 <ennael> maybe we can start with it 19:10:26 <ennael> #topic Mageia wiki 19:10:30 <ennael> so 19:10:52 <ennael> it's a loooooong time now we are planning it 19:11:00 <obgr_netbook> .D 19:11:09 <ennael> and we had people on it but it's getting much too long 19:11:32 <ennael> temporary wiki is getting fat and disorganized 19:12:03 <ennael> so I'd like us to work on it 19:12:10 <ennael> basically technicak part is done 19:12:14 <ennael> technical 19:12:31 * obgr_netbook began some discussions about it with skipper, but then i had no time anymore due to real life 19:12:42 <ennael> we "just" need to think about layout 19:12:53 <ennael> well both skiper and rda are overloaded for now 19:13:44 <obgr_netbook> I really don't feel up to taking a bit part in it because I had to learn I can't do too much things at the same time 19:15:25 <obgr_netbook> but I'm willing to help if another one takes the lead 19:15:42 <ennael> ok I can resend a proposal that was done some months ago 19:15:50 <ennael> and we could discuss on it 19:15:53 <ennael> wdyt ? 19:16:09 <Stormi> ok 19:16:30 <Stormi> I remember the proposal, it was not bad already 19:16:45 <ennael> in fact we need to define a layout 19:17:06 <ennael> then ask each team to work on its part reimporting temporary wiki inside 19:17:15 * obgr_netbook doesn't remember the proposal just now, but if you resend it 19:17:20 <ennael> yep 19:17:26 <ennael> digging in my mails 19:18:25 <obgr_netbook> on the organisational part, i18n - meaning Akien - is about to better organize its part 19:18:50 <ennael> ok no pb it's all your turn then to see how to organize this 19:19:01 <leuhmanu> in the same theme, any news with the documentation team ? http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=documentation 19:19:10 <obgr_netbook> I think when we first organize the team parts in a similar way, we are a moving a big step forward 19:19:10 <ennael> same thing for boklm, leuhmanu, Stormi ... 19:19:19 <Stormi> and coincoin ! :) 19:19:24 <ennael> sure :) 19:19:34 <coincoin> Stormi: :) 19:19:36 <ennael> wiki are opened to ducks also 19:19:40 <ennael> ok 19:20:06 <ennael> #action ennael will mail a proposal made some months ago and it will be discussed to get a final layout 19:20:15 <obgr_netbook> but we need to find some organization for the "public" parts... 19:20:22 <ennael> sure 19:20:42 <Stormi> and kickstart the "doc" team 19:20:59 <ennael> #action each team will decide how to organize content and import temporary wiki pages 19:21:31 <obgr_netbook> since skipper doesn't feel up to it, shell we ask the people having registered last year for doc team? 19:21:39 <ennael> sure 19:21:46 <ennael> can you have a look on it ? 19:21:50 <ennael> at least sending a mail ? 19:22:01 <Stormi> hehe, don't speak :) 19:22:04 <obgr_netbook> I can do that and i canlead the beginning meetings, if you want 19:22:06 <ennael> :) 19:22:14 <ennael> that would be great 19:22:27 <obgr_netbook> do an action for me, please 19:22:51 <ennael> #action obgr_netbook will send an email to all registered people for doc team and start first meetings 19:22:58 <obgr_netbook> thanks 19:23:12 <ennael> could we fix some deadlines for all this ? 19:23:37 <obgr_netbook> I'll send the mail tomorrow, planning some meeting next week 19:23:44 <obgr_netbook> ? 19:23:49 <ennael> ok 19:23:55 <ennael> what about wiki layout 19:24:01 <ennael> will send proposal tonight 19:24:12 <obgr_netbook> perhaps I can get artwork on it? 19:24:17 <ennael> yep 19:24:32 <obgr_netbook> Is there a rep of artwork arround? 19:24:52 <obgr_netbook> Is there a rep of artwork arround? 19:25:03 <ennael> kaboum 19:25:08 <ennael> back 19:25:26 <ennael> obgr_netbook: thornten was not available tonight 19:25:30 <obgr_netbook> [17:14] [Notice] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, it's that time again.. we're about to get in the ring, ready for round two. I'll be killing off another handful of servers to carry out some upgrades, hang tight and we'll see you on the other side. Thank you for using freenode and have a smashing evening! 19:25:31 <ennael> but a mail should be ok 19:25:52 <obgr_netbook> ok 19:26:19 <ennael> #chair obgr_netbook 19:26:19 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: ennael obgr_netbook 19:26:47 <obgr_netbook> #action obgr_netbook send an email to artwork about wiki theme 19:27:09 <ennael> ok is that all for wiki topic ? 19:27:20 <ennael> what about other people sleeping ? :) 19:27:59 <obgr_netbook> ennael: it's kind of a dialogue between the two of us :D 19:28:26 <obgr_netbook> others will return, when the work is assigned I think 19:28:33 <ennael> well no opinion we will validate all this together :) 19:28:44 <coincoin> nothing to add for me (you rocks) 19:29:00 <ennael> ok coincoin is ok to work on it also 19:29:03 <ennael> great :) 19:29:10 <obgr_netbook> boklm: can we have an ml for doc team? 19:29:21 <boklm> ok 19:29:28 <coincoin> ennael: he he, not against it at all ;) 19:30:03 <ennael> ok next topic ? 19:30:08 <obgr_netbook> coincoin: I'll add you to the mail I'm going to write then :D 19:31:05 <coincoin> obgr_netbook: i'm in all MLs ;) 19:31:16 <obgr_netbook> :p 19:31:20 <ennael> ok next topic then 19:31:49 <ennael> #topic Financial planning 19:32:10 <coincoin> youhou 19:32:40 <ennael> ok 19:32:45 <ennael> coincoin: short review ? 19:33:14 <coincoin> so, I plan to do a blog post to explain "financial needs", income, outgoing 19:33:48 <coincoin> I'm also working on a new 'report' and 'donate' page 19:34:02 <obgr_netbook> would be good, we have to keep people funding 19:34:03 <coincoin> we have arround 10 000 � on our bank account for now 19:34:23 <coincoin> I plan to ask people for monthly donations to improve our financial health 19:34:37 <obgr_netbook> (that much, mandrivauser.de is scraping up 500€ for its server...) 19:34:56 <coincoin> for now we get between 300 � and 800 � per month since the beginning of Mageia 19:35:26 <coincoin> main outgoing for the next weeks will be : ARM HW, fiona (backup server) and spare for sysadmin (HDD, ...) 19:35:34 <ennael> indeed communicating on financial part would be nice 19:36:04 <ennael> boklm: did you have time to work on shopping list ? 19:36:06 <coincoin> yep, romain and I are working on a graphical meter (orange, green, red) to show our needs 19:36:24 <ennael> well we can start with simple blog post for now 19:36:56 <coincoin> ennael: I can do it when you want (I was waiting as other teams are posting too) 19:37:16 <obgr_netbook> coincoin: see mails on council ml 19:37:17 <ennael> well draft for now we will organize publishing 19:38:19 <coincoin> obgr_netbook: yeo saw them (that's why I was waiting) 19:38:29 <coincoin> ennael: ok, draft tomorrow so 19:38:59 <ennael> thanks 19:39:04 <ennael> boklm: ping ? 19:39:14 <ennael> and even tmb 19:39:17 <boklm> ennael: pong 19:39:41 <ennael> could we have a final list of needs for sysadmins ? 19:39:48 <boklm> yes 19:39:51 <ennael> so that we can go on 19:39:56 <boklm> there is a list on http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sysadmin#new_hardware_needed 19:39:57 <coincoin> beer, french fries, HDD 19:40:01 <ennael> and also plan a trip to marseille 19:40:10 * boklm can send a list to council ml with more details 19:40:24 <ennael> yes please with amounts 19:41:32 <ennael> #action boklm will mail council ML with detailed needs for sysadmins 19:41:48 <coincoin> can you do action for me on draft for blog post please? 19:41:48 <ennael> can we do it by the end of this week ? 19:41:54 <boklm> ok 19:41:56 <ennael> yep 19:42:12 <coincoin> ennael, boklm: if you make a list, I can do amounts by myself 19:42:21 <ennael> #action misc will work on blog post draft about financial review 19:42:30 <coincoin> s/misc/dams/ 19:42:30 <boklm> misc ? 19:42:46 <ennael> humpf 19:42:49 <ennael> #undo 19:42:49 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x82cbc8c> 19:42:52 <Remmy> I knew we had some people with secret lifes here 19:43:00 <ennael> #action coincoin will work on blog post draft about financial review 19:43:01 <coincoin> :) 19:43:51 <ennael> coincoin: we need a final proposal by the end of this week 19:44:03 <obgr_netbook> would be interesting to read miscs post about financial... 19:44:16 <coincoin> ennael: I will post the final proposal for the end of the week so 19:44:38 <coincoin> ennael: friday or before ? 19:44:47 <ennael> friday morning :) 19:44:54 <ennael> I let you deal this with boklm 19:44:58 <coincoin> ok ;) 19:45:04 <obgr_netbook> please do remember we need to post about our anniversary 19:45:19 <coincoin> obgr_netbook: not before sunday I think 19:45:34 <boklm> ? 19:45:46 <ennael> #action boklm and coincoin will work on financial proposal for sysadmin needs for friday morning 19:45:59 <ennael> anniversary is 18th 19:46:02 <obgr_netbook> if we plan a come-together on irc we should at least post on the mls before 19:46:04 <ennael> so sunday :) 19:46:18 <ennael> is that all for financial part ? 19:46:28 <coincoin> for me, yes. questions? 19:46:30 <ennael> then we can switch to blog communicaiont 19:49:53 <ennael> #topic Mageia communication planning 19:49:57 <ennael> ok next one 19:51:00 <ennael> so we have pending items for blog posts at least 19:53:29 <ennael> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication_blog 19:53:38 <ennael> a short page just written about it 19:54:33 <obgr_netbook> I'll write something about froscon 19:55:04 <ennael> so we have 7 articles proposed for now 19:55:08 <obgr_netbook> and there's i18n and two "people" posts 19:55:09 <ennael> which is nice 19:55:13 <ennael> yep 19:55:16 <ennael> just added 19:55:17 <coincoin> and perhaps we need to plan to write something about OWF 19:55:33 <obgr_netbook> owf? 19:56:02 * obgr_netbook would like keeping the "people series" up 19:56:05 <coincoin> Open World Forum (an event in Paris) 19:56:11 <obgr_netbook> ah 19:56:44 <ennael> coincoin: don't know what we could write 19:57:19 <coincoin> ennael: don't know either, need to wait if there is something to write after. ("perhaps..." :)) 19:57:45 <ennael> yep 19:57:51 <ennael> just added dates proposal 19:58:16 <ennael> would be nice to follow it (and I'm the first to slap me for it) 19:58:48 * coincoin will slap him too! Rrrrrrrrr :p 19:59:02 <ennael> just added a "proposals" section 19:59:33 <Remmy> I think the QA/triage post hasn't changed much in the past week and a half... perhaps have Trish do her editor thing on it, and then it should be good to go 19:59:49 <ennael> yep 19:59:58 * obgr_netbook likes it 20:00:00 <ennael> will add it as a draft in blog 20:00:08 <Remmy> :) 20:00:26 <obgr_netbook> ennael: do you need some photo for my interview? 20:00:43 <ennael> as you want :) 20:00:47 <ennael> or I can draw you :) 20:01:26 <obgr_netbook> Remmy: I asked JohnR to proof read the i18n one as native speaker as well 20:01:53 <Remmy> obgr_netbook: Good idea, I should ask him to have a look at it too 20:02:00 <obgr_netbook> ennael: I'll send a photo, I am afraid of you drawing me on a pile of burning wood... 20:02:21 <ennael> :) 20:03:24 <ennael> ok anything else to add ? 20:03:37 <obgr_netbook> not from me 20:05:14 <obgr_netbook> #info blog pot time table at http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication_blog 20:05:47 <ennael> ok 20:06:10 <ennael> shall we go for team review ? 20:08:24 <misc> I guess 20:08:29 <misc> but everybody is shy 20:08:29 <ennael> misc: ! 20:08:33 <obgr_netbook> hi misc 20:08:34 <ennael> #chair misc 20:08:34 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: ennael misc obgr_netbook 20:08:40 <ennael> ok your turn misc :) 20:08:49 <obgr_netbook> :D 20:08:59 <misc> well, given that I was absent last week I cannot say much for packagers 20:09:16 <ennael> you can drive the meeting :) 20:09:26 <misc> ( I can speak of my holiday ) 20:09:29 <misc> ennael: yep 20:09:38 <misc> #topic team review 20:09:44 <misc> so let's start, i18n 20:09:46 <misc> obgr_netbook: ? 20:10:06 <obgr_netbook> I created the Mageia 2 release in Tx 20:10:25 <obgr_netbook> So we can start working as soon as work is coming... 20:10:48 <obgr_netbook> we lost the pt_PT team recently (Ze) 20:11:00 <obgr_netbook> but pt_BR is coming back alive 20:11:20 <obgr_netbook> as I read it, website translations are coming along quite well 20:11:31 <obgr_netbook> blog translations, too 20:11:36 <misc> #info Mageia 2 release were created in tx 20:11:43 <obgr_netbook> and we got an indonesian team 20:11:52 <obgr_netbook> and a croatian one 20:11:57 <misc> #info need for a pt_PT team 20:12:10 <obgr_netbook> (although both just one person teams till jow) 20:12:12 <misc> #info new team : indonesian, croatian 20:12:35 <misc> obgr_netbook: didn't we have more than one person for pt_PT ? 20:12:45 <obgr_netbook> nope 20:13:04 <obgr_netbook> we are waiting for a tx upgrade 20:13:28 <obgr_netbook> and I know, I wanted to do some packaging for it (see one of last council meetngs) 20:14:05 <misc> @info still waiting on tx upgrade 20:14:08 <misc> #info still waiting on tx upgrade 20:14:53 <obgr_netbook> we have some dead teams arround, I have to try and contact them again 20:15:09 <misc> #action obgr_netbook contact dead team 20:15:14 <obgr_netbook> pl, tr, af, some indian languages 20:16:37 <obgr_netbook> this is about all from i18n (if i didn't forget anything 20:16:47 <misc> ok 20:16:52 <misc> so, next team 20:16:53 <misc> packagers 20:16:55 <misc> ennael: ? 20:16:57 <obgr_netbook> which is likely the case 20:17:03 <ennael> yep 20:17:15 <ennael> so we have finally closed backport policy 20:17:18 <ennael> phew 20:17:22 <ennael> at least for coming months 20:17:39 <obgr_netbook> #info backport policy finished for coming months 20:18:05 <ennael> also we have a big part of the meeting on updates management 20:18:11 <ennael> as we were very late on it 20:18:45 <ennael> so relaunch QA organization and packagers to get pending list done as soon as possible 20:18:56 <ennael> first results are rather good 20:19:17 <obgr_netbook> #info need for relaunch of QA organization to get pending list done 20:19:49 <ennael> so fo now it's working wuite well but we will need to be careful 20:19:50 <obgr_netbook> can we organize some testing debugging days? 20:20:09 <ennael> why not 20:20:21 <ennael> can be a job for triage and QA teams :) 20:20:44 <obgr_netbook> and can we do some updates on draktools to get i18n bugfixes in? 20:20:55 <misc> obgr_netbook: just find some bug :) 20:21:09 <Remmy> We have a good collection at bugs.mageia.org 20:21:12 <leuhmanu> what do you mean by "testing debugging days" ? 20:21:13 <Remmy> :P 20:21:27 <obgr_netbook> there wre some translation fiexes, I get to it with i18n 20:22:14 <Remmy> leuhmanu: Like a whole day on IRC and ml's with developers, QA, testers, to try and get as many bugs fixed as possible in a single day or so 20:22:28 <obgr_netbook> by debugging days I mean some days we organize in advance for people and packagers to meet and get some things fixed together 20:22:39 <leuhmanu> ok 20:22:48 <ennael> obgr_netbook: sure we tried once 20:22:57 <ennael> but not well organized enough 20:23:04 <ennael> and we need available people to manage it 20:23:17 <obgr_netbook> I read about it regularly on fedora lists 20:24:00 <misc> well, there is people allocated for that, ie adam is full time on this 20:24:14 <misc> ( while it is hard for us to find someone full time for a day on that ) 20:24:31 <obgr_netbook> I realize that 20:24:43 <ennael> misc: well if some people volunteer why not 20:24:58 <misc> anyway, that's maybe outside of the review topic :) 20:25:30 <Remmy> It's a good idea to consider... if we do it, we should plan and announce it well in advance. 20:26:16 <obgr_netbook> ok, shell we move on? 20:26:23 <Remmy> we shall :) 20:26:36 <misc> ok so next team, mhh, triage ? 20:26:48 <obgr_netbook> shall? ok, I'm not a native speaker :) 20:27:17 <leuhmanu> OK, I have send a mail about the security updates 20:27:35 <misc> #info leuhmanu sent mail for security updates summary 20:28:50 <leuhmanu> some bugs was marked as backport for the packagers 20:31:05 <obgr_netbook> we need people to take packagers as maintainers 20:31:06 <leuhmanu> and we will start to work for the triage weekly report 20:31:30 <obgr_netbook> there's still many important ones out there with no maintainer 20:31:43 <Stormi> yes, and many bugs open for mageia 1 20:32:05 <Stormi> + probably security issues that don't even have a bug report 20:32:52 <misc> let's keep the review of triage for triage members :) 20:33:35 <Stormi> well, QA and triage work together :) 20:34:10 <leuhmanu> Remmy: something to add? 20:34:41 <Remmy> leuhmanu: Not really... not much news since last week. 20:34:51 <leuhmanu> yep :) 20:35:22 <Remmy> Would be welcome if people were willing to pick a few bugs to work on, even if they are not in their own packages 20:35:32 <obgr_netbook> (me just wrecked the dish cleaner in the office ;/ asoff tpic ) 20:35:49 <Remmy> Like one or two 'good will' bugs a week or something :) 20:38:22 <Remmy> But nothing else from triage team for now. 20:39:25 <misc> #info triage team to produce weekly report 20:39:39 <misc> #info lots of work to do ( bug to fix, package to assign ) 20:39:55 <misc> ok so qa, communication, artwork, another ? 20:40:09 <ennael> sysadmin ? 20:40:55 <Stormi> I can speak for QA 20:41:04 <misc> ok, go to qa 20:41:07 <Stormi> we're trying to follow the pace of updates 20:41:17 <obgr_netbook> #topic QA team review 20:41:18 <Stormi> some are validated very fast 20:41:42 <Stormi> some others are harder : kernel (need various hardware), libvirt (hard to test), ... 20:42:02 * misc didn't change the topic for the other team.. 20:42:06 <obgr_netbook> #undo 20:42:06 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x825abac> 20:42:31 <obgr_netbook> sorry, we don't have separate topics for teams this week 20:42:35 <boklm> you cannot #undo topic 20:42:40 <Stormi> we are still 100% on updates, so nothing prepared yet for future testing of Mageia 2 20:43:04 <Stormi> this is something we will have to tackle in the future, hopefully with coincoin's experienced help :) 20:43:11 <obgr_netbook> boklm: I can, see meetbots output 20:43:30 <boklm> obgr_netbook: previous action was undone 20:43:40 <Stormi> also we are ready to help testing backports 20:43:51 <Stormi> as soon as packagers will be able to submit 20:43:52 <obgr_netbook> boklm: Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x825abac> 20:44:18 <boklm> obgr_netbook: it removed previous #info or #action 20:44:21 <Stormi> the proposed validation procedure has not received negative feedback from QA, triage and packagers, so we will go with it for now 20:44:56 <Stormi> I still think we will need to extend the team in the future, I don't know yet how 20:45:13 <Stormi> but having a nice wiki section explaining how to help in detail will probably help 20:45:31 <Stormi> it will be a support we can give when asking for help 20:45:57 <Stormi> so as soon as the new wiki will be ready, we will start organizing this section 20:46:10 <misc> #info QA ready to test backports 20:46:27 <misc> #info QA need more people 20:46:43 <Stormi> also, as was said by triage team, there's still a need for packagers that handle the existing bug reports for Mageia 1 20:47:12 <Stormi> (which will increase QA's work, but it's the game) 20:48:05 <Stormi> and last, this is not directly QA's domain, but it's very hard to know if we are doing well for security fixes, as our only information comes from bugzilla 20:48:29 <Stormi> so the only think we can judge is how are bugs filed in bugzilla treated 20:48:37 <Stormi> (see leuhmanu's mail for that) 20:48:58 <Stormi> this ends QA report for now :) 20:49:11 <leuhmanu> mh I have missed this part :/ 20:49:39 <Stormi> leuhmanu: feel free to add something :) 20:50:02 <obgr_netbook> my battery's going low, do we have much left? 20:50:13 <misc> obgr_netbook: still 3 team 20:50:15 <ennael> I don't think so 20:50:46 <leuhmanu> next team ? 20:51:07 <misc> #info QA need info on security performance 20:51:21 <misc> sysadmin ? 20:51:54 <ennael> boklm: around ? 20:52:09 <boklm> yes 20:52:13 <ennael> :) 20:52:27 <ennael> can you make a short review of pending tasks for sysadmin ? 20:52:29 * boklm did not follow what was done on sysadmin recently 20:52:45 <ennael> at least what is planned for coming days 20:53:58 * boklm doesn't know 20:54:00 <misc> well, the only notable event is that we have passed the 2000 commits limit 20:54:10 <ennael> limit ? 20:54:47 <misc> mhh, record ? 20:54:50 <misc> mark 20:54:59 <ennael> ok :) 20:57:14 <misc> so I guess nothing to say, next team ? 20:57:34 <Stormi> now that backport policy is set, ability to submit to backports_testing would be appreciated, and also taking a decision about package linking from release to updates (ie SRPMS and all their RPMs, or just the needed RPMS, see my e-mail to mageia-dev) 20:57:38 <Stormi> that's the 2 topics I see that are blocking 20:58:05 <ennael> ok we can speak about it after meeting 20:59:52 <ennael> I guess its getting late 21:01:48 <misc> yp 21:03:07 <ennael> ok 21:03:13 <ennael> closing meeting then :) 21:04:05 <ennael> 'night all 21:04:09 <ennael> #endmeeting