19:21:30 <ennael> #startmeeting 19:21:30 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Aug 29 19:21:30 2011 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:21:30 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:21:43 <ennael> #chair misc 19:21:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: ennael misc 19:22:03 <ennael> #topic triage team organization and communication 19:22:30 <ennael> ok leuhmanu you can shoot your pb 19:22:58 <leuhmanu> see can https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1948 and https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1948#c3 19:24:30 <ennael> yep ? 19:24:40 <ennael> please go on 19:25:25 <leuhmanu> there is no one to take the security issue 19:25:29 <Remmy> Well, stewb is on the security team, or perhaps even the one most vocal about it, and he now started to close bugs which have been open too long in his opinion 19:25:49 <ennael> ok so we have a pb for sure 19:26:09 <Remmy> It helps to get his frustration on that across, sure... but I see little other good from it. 19:26:22 <ennael> ? 19:27:24 <Remmy> Open security bugs are being closed for the sole reason of being open for too long, that can't be right. 19:27:42 <ennael> well that's not the point here 19:27:57 <ennael> the point here is to find a proper way so that sec updates can be properly managed 19:28:29 <ennael> this is a real pb if we want Mageia to be something else than a proof of concept 19:28:36 <Remmy> Hence why we bring the topic up here. 19:28:41 <ennael> yep 19:29:03 <ennael> so we need a close and frequent report about pending opened bugs 19:29:18 <ennael> what about a weekly report on security updates ? 19:29:38 <Remmy> To the dev list? 19:29:42 <ennael> yep 19:31:08 <ennael> proposing pending advisories, pending sec issues to be corrected, pending packages to be tested 19:32:08 <Remmy> I guess we can save some searches in bugzilla to produce such lists 19:32:52 <ennael> sending a mail with links then on a weekly base 19:32:59 <ennael> so that people can review it 19:34:12 <Remmy> Manuel's call, but I'm willing to give that a go (I think I also agreed to do a similar-ish-ly list last week) 19:34:33 <ennael> ok so let start with something then 19:36:07 <Remmy> Ok, consider it done. 19:38:55 <ennael> ok 19:39:10 <ennael> I will help to communicate on this also 19:40:02 <ennael> and we can speak again about this on next packagers meeting 19:40:51 <ennael> what blog post about triage? 19:41:43 <ennael> what about blog post about triage? 19:42:04 <ennael> #action provides a weekly report about security issued on -dev ML and communicate on it 19:43:12 <leuhmanu> Personnaly no so more time for blog post 19:44:07 <ennael> ok can we start together on it using 19:44:07 <Remmy> I'm pleased to say though that it seems more people have become active to help with triaging in the last weeks 19:44:19 <ennael> argh looking for the name of the web apps 19:44:32 <ennael> collaborative tool 19:44:34 <Remmy> Those typepads? 19:44:38 <leuhmanu> etherpad ? 19:44:38 <misc> etherpad 19:44:45 <ennael> yes phew 19:44:47 * misc was planning to look at etherpad light 19:44:50 <ennael> too bad to get old :) 19:46:07 <ennael> piratepad 19:46:09 <ennael> grumbl 19:46:33 <misc> yes 19:46:36 <misc> that's the same :) 19:46:41 <misc> ( expect for the parrot ) 19:46:51 <ennael> yep 19:46:52 <ennael> http://piratepad.net/gN3X1LmNPh 19:47:06 <ennael> just opened a page so that we can work together on this blog post ok ? 19:48:19 <leuhmanu> ok for me 19:48:35 <ennael> let's try to finalize it before friday evening 19:48:53 <ennael> enter your names please :) 19:49:18 <ennael> #action finalize blog post about triage and QA as being essential for Mageia future 19:49:59 <ennael> stormi may also help on this for QA side 19:51:20 <ennael> do you plane regular report on triage ? 19:55:03 <ennael> plan 19:55:12 <ennael> leuhmanu, Remmy ? 19:55:12 <Remmy> misc: Would it be possible to run (read only) queries directly against the bugzilla database? 19:55:26 <Remmy> Thinking if perhaps we can script a regular report 19:56:08 <Remmy> That would allow us to report regulary without costing us much time. 19:56:33 <misc> Remmy: well, you can already using the queries interface, yes 19:57:27 <Remmy> Yeah, but then we still need to run the queries in order, copy, paste, format the results, and edit email. 19:58:12 <Remmy> Willing to give it a go, but probably won't have time till sunday 19:58:41 <misc> if you have a script, we can run it 19:59:19 <Remmy> Ok, I'll look into that, thank you. 19:59:54 <Remmy> (leuhmanu, if I'm stepping on any toes, do tell me :-) 20:00:27 <ennael> #action triage team will provide a script to be run on server side to manage reports 20:00:32 <leuhmanu> no no :) 20:01:03 <ennael> ? 20:01:12 <Remmy> I think that was to me :) 20:01:21 <leuhmanu> yep sorry 20:01:21 <ennael> ok 20:01:25 <ennael> #undo 20:01:25 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb7426b0c> 20:01:38 <ennael> #action Remmy will provide a script to be run on server side to manage reports 20:01:41 <ennael> better ? 20:02:18 <Remmy> Triage team will work on regular status reports, Remmy will try to automate the queries for it 20:02:26 <Remmy> the "no no" was on my stepping toes :) 20:02:35 <ennael> arf 20:02:38 <Remmy> s/my/me 20:02:54 <leuhmanu> the 'triage team' was not a proble ;) 20:02:57 <ennael> #action triage team will publish regular report 20:03:09 <Remmy> aye 20:04:46 <ennael> ok 20:04:53 <ennael> so already a nice todo list :) 20:04:57 <ennael> anything else to add ? 20:05:20 <Remmy> I think that's enough for now :) 20:05:25 <ennael> :) 20:05:32 <ennael> ok misc anything else to add on this ? 20:05:37 <misc> nope 20:06:00 <ennael> ok I guess we can close meeting for tonight and have a more complete one next week 20:06:08 <ennael> thanks leuhmanu and Remmy 20:06:10 <misc> ( except that asking for some script to help triaging could be added in the announce too ) 20:06:18 <misc> ( but I will try to add this ) 20:06:18 <ennael> yep 20:06:28 <ennael> #endmeeting