19:11:53 <misc> #startmeeting 19:11:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon Aug 22 19:11:53 2011 UTC. The chair is misc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:11:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:11:59 <misc> #chair obgr_seneca Remmy 19:11:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Remmy misc obgr_seneca 19:12:19 <misc> so the planning is to do review of pending task 19:12:30 <misc> so let's start with i18n 19:12:34 <Remmy> (I don't think I should be chair) 19:12:48 <misc> Remmy: chair just mean to be able to do #topic, so ... 19:13:08 <misc> I could patch to call it "#slave", would be clearer :) 19:13:20 <obgr_seneca> #topic Review of team's work 19:13:35 <obgr_seneca> there's not much to say from i18n point of view 19:13:38 * misc wanted to do 1 topic per team :) 19:13:49 <obgr_seneca> #undo 19:13:49 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x82cb3cc> 19:14:05 <misc> #topic i18n team review 19:14:09 <obgr_seneca> you do it, then :) 19:14:22 <obgr_seneca> There's not much to say at the moment 19:14:51 <obgr_seneca> i18n is mainly sleeping just a few teams translating missing website stuff 19:15:13 <obgr_seneca> misc: didn't we talk about some tx update a few weeks ago? 19:15:30 <misc> obgr_seneca: yep, but no time to work on it 19:15:35 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:16:16 <misc> I think I did update on cauldron 19:16:38 <misc> and posted a TODO list on sysadmin ml for that, mainly new package to add for now 19:16:52 <obgr_seneca> it would be good to have a new version, when i18n is actually starting to work again 19:17:34 * obgr_seneca can't remember just now, but I'm sure there were some new features/bugfixes... 19:17:50 <misc> well, the whole copyright stuff for a start 19:18:12 <obgr_seneca> yes, that's the most important imho 19:18:54 <Remmy> The longer we wait with that, the more likely we'll forget 19:19:44 <misc> well, if packagers have time, they can work on https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-July/003741.html 19:19:59 <misc> #info not much to review for i18n 19:20:09 <misc> #info tx upgrade still in the pipe 19:21:15 * obgr_seneca will look into those packaging stuff 19:21:51 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca look into that packaging stuff 19:22:04 <misc> in fact, there is only one thing to package : https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-July/003744.html 19:22:18 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:24:16 <misc> anyway, something to add, or we can go on the next team ? 19:24:34 <obgr_seneca> i think we can go on 19:24:55 <misc> artwork, marketing ? 19:25:12 <TeaAge> should I? 19:25:29 <misc> ok, artwork was faster :) 19:25:35 <misc> #topic artwork team review 19:25:46 <TeaAge> well, nothing really new on artwork team 19:26:12 * obgr_seneca has some kind of deja-vu 19:26:24 <TeaAge> we were discussing some proposals for a general color palette but decided to wait until the new designer joins the team 19:26:45 <TeaAge> ennael said, a new and real designer will join us 19:26:59 <TeaAge> the will be a really big help 19:27:15 <misc> ok 19:27:24 <TeaAge> because alexn, who did the current artwork isn't available anylonger 19:27:51 <obgr_seneca> #info artwork is discussing a general color palette 19:28:01 <TeaAge> I can't get in contact with him and noone knows where he is 19:28:02 <misc> TeaAge: too much work ? 19:28:03 <TeaAge> ... 19:28:05 <misc> :/ 19:28:38 <TeaAge> don't know. Tumbalina has his adress and send him a letter, but also doesn't get a response 19:29:28 <TeaAge> well, that's it. Nothing more to say 19:29:31 <TeaAge> questions? 19:29:32 <TeaAge> :) 19:29:37 <trishf42> 8-) 19:29:43 <misc> ok, sound good 19:29:54 <trishf42> I'll go next if you like... 19:30:07 <misc> ( and I didn't forgot about the request for uploading picture, that just that my harddrive died along with my testing vm :/ ) 19:30:32 <misc> #topic marketing team review 19:30:51 <trishf42> okay, we have a new person on the marcom team, Jared 19:31:05 <trishf42> his nick is Jalbindi, tell him hi if you see him on irc any time 19:31:15 <trishf42> We've put our heads together here: http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marcom:sandbox 19:31:16 <obgr_seneca> nice to hear that 19:31:38 <trishf42> and we're starting to plan up what needs to be done in prep for Mageia 2 (and on the way to that) 19:31:53 <trishf42> The Style Doc is also something we're working on 19:32:03 <misc> #info new member on the team, Jared 19:32:20 <trishf42> but like Artwork we're waiting for the designer - so we can get a Look and Feel going 19:32:47 <trishf42> We're hoping to have something ready for council and the discuss list to look at and give feedback on in the next couple of weeks. 19:32:52 <trishf42> That's us! 19:33:27 <trishf42> Oh, and marcom meetings are moving to Wednesday, because it suits us better - it conflicts with i18n, but we can't help that, sorry 19:33:43 <trishf42> that's it for now... 19:33:46 <obgr_seneca> i18n is thursday 19:33:56 <obgr_seneca> packaging is wednesday 19:34:06 <misc> or web 19:34:22 <trishf42> argh, then it's artwork it conflicts with. We might just have to join their meeting (hope that's ok TeaAge!) 19:34:36 <misc> but yes, there is only 7 days a week, we will extend the week when the BWTO will take place, but for now that's unavoidable 19:34:54 <trishf42> 8-) 19:35:08 <TeaAge> I havn't yet announced a meeting :) 19:35:13 <trishf42> I'm okay with 7 days, I want more hours/day 19:35:23 <leuhmanu> so update the calendar http://mageia.org/en/calendar/ ? 19:35:25 <misc> #info marketing meeting are moved to wenesday 19:35:38 <trishf42> I don't have write access to the calendar 19:35:55 * misc don't either 19:36:01 <obgr_seneca> I can do that for you 19:36:09 <misc> #action obgr_seneca edit the calendar 19:36:11 <trishf42> thanks obgr_seneca 19:36:22 <trishf42> time &c is up on the marketing wiki page 19:36:35 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:36:55 <obgr_seneca> #info time of artwork meeting is on artwork wiki page 19:37:41 <trishf42> okay, we don't conflict - we're after artwork. 19:37:50 <trishf42> Confusion reigns... 19:38:06 <misc> anyway, next team ? 19:38:11 <obgr_seneca> it's called entropy... 19:38:17 <TeaAge> :D 19:38:41 <obgr_seneca> sysadmin or packaging? 19:39:06 <misc> boklm or ennael ? 19:39:22 <obgr_seneca> both not here :/ 19:39:37 <misc> so QA :) 19:40:47 <ennael> back to life 19:40:54 <obgr_seneca> hi ennael 19:41:00 <ennael> hi there 19:41:15 <misc> #topic packagers team review 19:41:20 <misc> ( suprise strike ) 19:41:28 <obgr_seneca> :p 19:42:03 <obgr_seneca> it's not nice to surprise the lady with the matches :D 19:42:12 <ennael> :) 19:42:44 <Remmy> obgr_seneca: You could be hit by a lightning strike too 19:42:56 <obgr_seneca> :D 19:43:07 <ennael> about packagers we are back on the road on wednesday 19:43:13 * obgr_seneca is away for a few mintes, sorry 19:43:28 <ennael> with some topics like backports 19:45:40 <ennael> we need to finalize policy about it and stop discussion 19:46:47 <ennael> there is a review also to be done on specs for Mageia 2 19:47:56 <ennael> woot looks like everybody is sleeping 19:48:08 <misc> they were alive before :) 19:48:11 <Remmy> I should be, haha 19:48:16 <ennael> :) 19:48:39 <ennael> and one topic related is triage to manage update in a better way 19:48:49 <ennael> but that's a story for some other people :) 19:49:12 <obgr_seneca> back... 19:49:14 <misc> #info meeting for packager will resume soon 19:49:26 <misc> #info policy about backport should be finalized 19:51:23 <misc> ok so nothing to add for packagers ? 19:51:50 <ennael> not for now for me 19:52:48 * trishf42 puts hand up 19:52:53 <ennael> yep ? 19:52:55 <trishf42> about the specs... 19:53:32 <trishf42> I put a starting re-sort together and sent it to the council ml a while back, don't know if anyone saw it - no comments 19:53:40 <trishf42> does it still need doing? 19:54:10 <ennael> can you just remind us subject for this mail ? or url 19:54:12 <trishf42> sorting the stuff by teams and putting Moscow tags on stuff 19:54:32 <trishf42> I'll have to send again, it was yousendit and it expires. I'll resend. 19:54:33 <obgr_seneca> What are Moscow tags? 19:54:47 <ennael> sounds scaring 19:54:48 <ennael> 21:36 < trishf42> thanks obgr_seneca 19:54:52 <ennael> oupd 19:54:54 <ennael> s 19:54:54 <trishf42> um. hang on I find link 19:55:07 <misc> obgr_seneca: moscow method, must can should, would 19:55:19 <obgr_seneca> ah 19:55:20 <misc> obgr_seneca: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method 19:55:38 <obgr_seneca> thanks misc 19:55:43 <misc> ( that's nothing to do with Stalin or anything, you should know we are the only dictator in the place ) 19:55:49 <ennael> :) 19:56:14 <ennael> trishf42: I guess you should resend it so tat we can have a look on it 19:56:23 <trishf42> okay, I'll do that 19:56:37 <ennael> thanks and sorry for missing it 19:56:54 <trishf42> it was just before we all went on holidays, no prob 19:56:54 <obgr_seneca> that's why I kept pressing the democracy thing in my talk at froscon, sounfds good to the public :D 19:57:26 <Remmy> obgr_seneca: It was well received :) 19:57:47 <obgr_seneca> Remmy: by the three people listening :D 19:58:09 <Remmy> I didn't speak to the elderly gentleman, but I think we were in agreement on that :) 19:58:14 <ennael> shall we switch to triage team ? 19:58:21 <obgr_seneca> yep 19:58:37 <ennael> ok 19:58:47 <misc> #chair ennael 19:58:47 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: Remmy ennael misc obgr_seneca 20:00:18 <ennael> #topic triage team 20:00:35 <ennael> ok I've asked Remmy and leuhmanu to join to speak about this 20:00:45 <Remmy> Not sure who starts talking... but I sent an email (or tried to) last week when the call for this meeting came up expressing my concern for the triage team as Ahmad had resigned himself from the position of team lead 20:01:00 <ennael> we have to relaunch triage team which was managed by ahmad quite on his own 20:01:22 <ennael> triage team is together with QA essential for Mageia and we cannot do anything without it 20:01:36 <Remmy> I feel bad about the circumstances that may have been a catalyst for Ahmad to come to this decision 20:01:52 <ennael> Remmy was not feeling like managing it but leuhmanu does helped by Remmy 20:02:10 <ennael> Remmy: well he has not completely left 20:02:17 <ennael> so while this we have to go on 20:02:23 <Remmy> but was grateful for leuhmanu who picked up some of the pieces and has done quite a bit of triaging in recent weeks 20:02:34 <ennael> :) 20:03:00 <Remmy> I asked on the triage list and the discuss list for ideas and thoughts 20:03:10 <Remmy> and leuhmanu also forwarded that to -dev 20:03:35 <Remmy> but other than him and me, there was little response on what to do with the triaging team next, other than some welcomed thanks to Ahmad for his work. 20:04:03 <ennael> ok we need to relaunch all this and explain why it's so important 20:04:14 <Remmy> I think the triaging team is too important to leave unattended and I think most of you agree 20:04:21 <ennael> what do you think about blog post about this 20:04:24 <obgr_seneca> +1 20:04:43 <TeaAge> yep 20:04:49 <Remmy> I also know my time available is limited and I am already spending too little on my i18n duties and my packaging training 20:04:56 <TeaAge> also because last blog post is more than a month ago 20:05:07 <ennael> yes because of vacation 20:05:15 <obgr_seneca> yes 20:05:21 <ennael> so explain what is triage, what skills it needs 20:05:29 <misc> next time, let's post pick of our vacation 20:05:37 <ennael> :) 20:05:54 <leuhmanu> and we need know who people can we contact for some bugs 20:05:57 <Remmy> I think a blog post would be good 20:06:00 <obgr_seneca> I'd propose to continue those blog posts on some of the people at mageia and to do a blog post for triage 20:06:05 <leuhmanu> (like installer bug) 20:06:07 <ennael> yep 20:06:14 <ennael> also join packagers meeting 20:06:16 <obgr_seneca> and one for i18n (that's planned for some time) 20:06:17 <Remmy> Yes, that's also true... too many bugs are left assigned to bugsquad and no way for us to know who to assign it to 20:06:22 <ennael> to have regular review about triage 20:07:12 <Remmy> In an ideal world, all new bugs are triaged within a few days and assigned to the appropiate person or marked as invalid. 20:07:56 <obgr_seneca> the problem is, so many packages don't have official maintainers, something for packaging meeting 20:08:06 <Remmy> I checked today, there are over 600 untriaged bugs (excl new package requests) 20:08:10 <ennael> yep we can add this to next meeting 20:08:18 <misc> obgr_seneca: we are slowly assiging them I think, upon upload 20:08:19 <Remmy> and almost 300 bugs with no update in more than 3 months 20:08:50 <ennael> Remmy, leuhmanu : can you prepare a review and post it before meeting ? 20:09:06 <leuhmanu> Remmy: we can ping people for these 20:09:22 <Remmy> leahmanu: Aye, if we know who they are. 20:09:28 <ennael> we need concrete things to speak about this 20:09:29 <obgr_seneca> misc: I think the problem is all those packages imported before the maintdb came up 20:09:52 <leuhmanu> ennael: before packager meeting ? 20:09:55 <Remmy> I also want to gather some thoughts on perhaps Cc'ing the last submitter for packages without a maintainer? 20:10:02 <misc> obgr_seneca: yes, but I think that maintdb should consider them like new package if they are maintained by nobody 20:10:13 <ennael> leuhmanu: yep so that we can have a llok during packagers meeting 20:10:30 <leuhmanu> ok I will try (and post on busquad :) 20:10:36 <misc> ( if not, that should be easy to do , just erase package from the db if not maintained, and that should be ok on next upload ) 20:10:44 <ennael> leuhmanu: maybe post on -dev for now 20:10:53 <leuhmanu> misc: yes ennael imported 300 rpms so... :) 20:11:07 <ennael> as little people are following bugsquad ML for now 20:11:48 <misc> s/little/few/ 20:12:14 <Remmy> Big persons like me too :-) 20:12:26 <ennael> misc: oups yes 20:12:38 <obgr_seneca> the little people mostly live in the shire 20:12:42 <Remmy> lol 20:13:10 <ennael> :) 20:13:12 <Remmy> I'm willing to work with leuhmanu on this, but if he rather leads the team by himself that's also fine with me 20:13:33 <Remmy> I know I am often too quick to volunteer for things and don't want to overcommit 20:13:48 * misc think that's a wise decision 20:14:29 <obgr_seneca> +1 20:15:13 <ennael> so we need to make all this official 20:15:26 <Remmy> Though the idea of chasing other people instead of being chased does have a certain appeal ;-) 20:15:28 <ennael> mail on -dev should be ok as soon as possible 20:17:31 <Remmy> Still hoping Ahmad will find the will and time to become more active too, without burning himself out. 20:17:39 <ennael> sure 20:18:03 <ennael> #action leuhmanu and Remmy will prepare a blog post about triage team 20:18:25 <Remmy> Okies 20:18:43 <ennael> #action leuhmanu will provide a review for next wednesday to give some concrete facts about triage 20:19:04 <ennael> #action leuhmanu and Remmy will post on -dev about triage team management 20:20:48 <ennael> thanks anyway to both of you 20:22:33 <Remmy> :) 20:22:53 <ennael> what is next topic unless there is something to add ? 20:23:05 <misc> sysadmin, qa, web 20:23:34 <ennael> sysadmin then as dams and rda are not back from vacations 20:24:22 <misc> boklm is not here 20:24:52 <Remmy> misc: Sounds like your vacation was two weeks too short then 20:24:52 <ennael> we can ask these guys to mail council about this 20:25:08 <ennael> btw misc can you add leuhmanu to council ? 20:25:21 <misc> sure, for what team ? 20:25:27 <ennael> triage team 20:25:35 <ennael> :me thinks misc was sleeping 20:25:35 <obgr_seneca> am I still alive? 20:25:44 <ennael> obgr_seneca: let me try matches 20:26:05 <Remmy> haha 20:26:16 <obgr_seneca> thanks... 20:26:22 <ennael> no pb :) 20:26:39 * Remmy gives obgr_seneca a zip.po file to translate 20:26:42 <ennael> ok we will wait for mail then from QA, web and sysadmin teams 20:26:49 <ennael> :) 20:26:59 <Remmy> and security team too 20:27:00 <ennael> misc: btw is boklm part of council ML ? 20:27:08 <misc> ennael: he should be 20:27:12 <ennael> ok 20:27:13 <misc> Remmy: part of packager team 20:27:19 <Remmy> okies 20:27:27 <misc> ennael: all person in council ldap group are subscribed 20:27:35 <misc> ( and they cannot unsubscribe ) 20:27:40 <ennael> ahah 20:28:28 <obgr_seneca> ok, since my network seems to be doing strange things, do we have much else? 20:29:08 <ennael> not for tonight I guess 20:29:19 <misc> there was a topic on wiki setup for web team 20:29:49 <ennael> yes I need to check with rda what is planned about tis 20:29:51 <ennael> this 20:29:54 <obgr_seneca> I'm not up to speed on that and rda isn't here 20:29:55 <ennael> I could not join him 20:30:07 <ennael> will try tomorrow 20:33:17 <ennael> ok thanks all 20:33:24 <ennael> #endmeeting