18:50:56 <ennael> #startmeeting 18:50:56 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jun 13 18:50:56 2011 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:50:56 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:51:07 <ennael> #chair rda obgr_seneca 18:51:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael obgr_seneca rda 18:51:56 <ennael> #topic Review of todo list of last meeting 18:52:17 <ennael> for memory http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2011/mageia-meeting.2011-06-06-19.05.html 18:52:35 <ennael> so we have something about global review on Mageia 1 launch 18:52:47 <ennael> marcom , 18:52:47 <ennael> ? 18:53:26 <trishf42> okay, part of that is me collating reviews and press mentions since release day, and I'm collecting; I'll have it all collated and ready for the blog post to go up in a draft on Wednesday. 18:53:39 <trishf42> Sorry it's a bit later than we said - work went nuts for a few days 18:53:51 <ennael> need any help on that? 18:54:16 <trishf42> no, I can do that part okay. The other part was collating downloads etc, I can't really help with that 18:54:37 <ennael> yep misc or boklm could give an idea on that 18:54:39 <ennael> let see 18:54:44 <obgr_seneca> trishf42: You are searching only for English press mentions? 18:55:15 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: no, as many languages/countries as I can find, and I'll organise them by country/language 18:55:43 <obgr_seneca> I can give you at least three German ones 18:55:47 <ennael> maybe call for it then? 18:55:54 <ennael> or open wiki page to collect it 18:56:33 <ahmad78> ("the Inquirer article in action" https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=3306&f=3#p3306) 18:57:40 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: thanks! if you email me links, that would be great - I'll open a wiki page (or add on top of the last one) for the collection 18:57:54 <obgr_seneca> ok 18:58:13 <trishf42> That Inquirer guy has emailed back twice with more interest in stuff, he'll be in the forums soon if not already 18:58:24 <ennael> ahmad78: indeed 18:59:17 <ennael> anything to add on this? 19:00:05 <ennael> (release review) 19:00:53 <trishf42> If I put a draft blog post up, and email the lists (which ones?) so people can check and add stuff - does that work? 19:01:10 <ennael> council for now ? 19:01:18 <obgr_seneca> would say so 19:01:51 <trishf42> ok, council list for now - expect a mail Wednesday evening sometime. 19:02:02 <ennael> ok 19:02:10 <TeaAge> trishf42: only those who are able to login to the english blog can see the preview 19:03:06 <trishf42> yes, I realise - but isn't the draft part not yet visible on the blog - so you need to have a login to view it anyway? Then when it's ready, it can go up (and out to i18n) 19:03:39 <ennael> ok let see now post-mortem 19:03:53 <ennael> have you been able to start with in all teams ? 19:04:32 <TeaAge> a bit 19:04:37 <obgr_seneca> I started in i18n on Thursday in the meeting, we will continue next week 19:04:51 <trishf42> 8-) Not so's you'd notice... 19:04:57 <ennael> started also in packagers 19:05:18 * rda started with web as well, not over yet 19:05:43 <ennael> would be nice to have summary in 10 days 19:05:46 <ennael> is that ok ? 19:06:05 <obgr_seneca> ok with me 19:06:37 <ennael> #action draft for first release blog post will be ready wednesday evening 19:06:40 <rda> yep 19:06:55 <TeaAge> also with me 19:07:07 <ennael> #action provide summary of all post-mortems for 22th of june 19:07:07 <trishf42> yep 19:07:43 <ennael> ok 19:07:50 <ennael> about priorities for net weeks 19:07:52 <ennael> next 19:08:08 <ennael> do we have something new on backups side? 19:08:10 <ennael> tmb: ? 19:08:55 <tmb> ennael: not yet. 19:09:01 <ennael> ok 19:09:19 <ennael> about donations post ? 19:09:22 <ennael> trishf42: ? 19:09:30 <trishf42> ah yes. 19:10:12 <trishf42> There's a design question under there - we came down to three things to go at the base of every post - something about contributing, something about trying, something about donating, all with links. 19:10:24 <trishf42> I need someone to do the code - if I do the text. 19:10:30 <trishf42> Who should I approach? 19:10:47 <ennael> for web site ? 19:12:03 <trishf42> for the code to put at the base of all the blog posts ( what we discussed). 19:12:14 <trishf42> I'll just go find it... 19:12:37 <ennael> trishf42: then rda will be your hero :) 19:12:58 <trishf42> Quoting rda: We can add a permanent footer to blog posts; see bottom of this post 19:12:58 <trishf42> http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2940-svn-flashback-product-roadmaps-are-dangerous 19:12:59 <trishf42> for instance. These are good reminders. 19:13:10 <ennael> ok 19:13:22 <ennael> can you check this together and try to plan this ? 19:13:32 <trishf42> so... I dunno how to do that without just adding text-with-links, I'll ask rda, no problems. 19:13:41 <trishf42> make me an action item? 8-) 19:13:45 <rda> just ask me :-p 19:13:50 <ennael> so easy :) 19:13:58 <trishf42> we old creatures need lists, so we do. 19:14:10 <rda> #action trishf42 to ping rda for blog post footers to integrate 19:14:15 <rda> (is that ok?) 19:14:20 <trishf42> lovely, thanks! 19:14:26 <rda> you're welcome :-p 19:14:39 <trishf42> (one's own lists are never so powerful, really!) 19:15:06 <ennael> we had also in todo list "planning about pending priorities for webteam and sysadmins " 19:15:42 <ennael> (this is rda's day) 19:16:27 <rda> yep, at this time, we have mostly the wiki (boklm and obgr) and maintdb (no real person yet, kosmas being in the end phase of his relocation) and the website platform (me) 19:16:55 <ennael> #action we have mostly the wiki (boklm and obgr) and maintdb (no real person yet, kosmas being in the end phase of his relocation) and the website platform (me) 19:17:09 <rda> a parallel priority being growing the web team and having several people that can execute things to the same level of responsibility (that is, we need to increase the bus number) 19:17:21 <ennael> yep 19:17:46 <ennael> any planning for above tasks 19:18:11 <obgr_seneca> I didn't get to it since wednesday 19:18:19 <obgr_seneca> I know it's urgent, but... 19:18:27 <ennael> to "it" ? 19:18:33 <rda> next week for global nav refactor (part of the website thing), beginning of july for website _platform_ (not ui) potential change 19:18:34 <obgr_seneca> wiki 19:18:37 <ennael> ok 19:18:56 <rda> and maintdb... it's up to a volunteer rails dev or kosmas coming back in 19:19:14 <ennael> rda: shall we call for them on ML ? 19:19:14 <rda> I didn't finished going circle around the web team past week 19:20:08 <rda> ennael: yes 19:20:14 <ennael> rda: can you do it ? 19:21:09 <rda> I will 19:21:13 <ennael> ok 19:21:31 <ennael> #action main on mageia-dev ML to call for rails developpers to finalize maintainers db 19:22:05 <ennael> ok anything else to add? 19:22:14 <rda> not so far 19:22:37 <ennael> ok 19:22:40 <obgr_seneca> #undo 19:22:40 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x827754c> 19:22:42 <obgr_seneca> #action rda mail on mageia-dev ML to call for rails developpers to finalize maintainers db 19:22:50 <obgr_seneca> sorry... 19:22:55 <ennael> #topic:) 19:23:00 <ennael> oups 19:23:04 <obgr_seneca> :D 19:23:06 <ennael> #topic Review of current brainstormings 19:23:15 <rda> no, that was a nice topic 19:23:19 <ennael> obgr_seneca: we are getting too old ;) 19:23:28 <obgr_seneca> yep 19:23:29 <ennael> ok about current brainstormings 19:23:39 <ennael> so far we have release cycle 19:23:49 <ennael> any other at that time ? 19:25:06 <rda> seems not, but the release cycle discussion is surprisingly quiet 19:25:26 <ennael> well we have quite a lot of posts 19:25:36 <ennael> at least not too many trolls and constructive 19:25:43 <ennael> tmb: any opinion on that discusssion ? 19:25:44 <trishf42> hopefully the visual branding thing will be ready to go to the discuss list in a few days 19:26:18 <tmb> well, people seem to want a lts :) 19:26:26 <ennael> tmb: does it bother you ? :) 19:26:32 <rda> trishf42: don't forget to update http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=brainstorm_2011 :) 19:26:51 <obgr_seneca> I think lts is better than rolling... 19:26:54 <trishf42> rda: no, I won't - it's on my list for tonight 19:27:16 <tmb> well, as many times pointed out... do we have the manpower to pull it off ? 19:27:36 <tmb> but yes, I think it would be good thing 19:27:41 <ennael> ok 19:27:44 <obgr_seneca> I think we can't say now 19:27:59 <obgr_seneca> Perhaps we will see till Mga2? 19:28:00 <ennael> so cycle release discussion will end in about one week 19:28:19 <ennael> would be nice to have marcom pov also on this topic 19:28:29 <ennael> this is not only a technical question 19:29:18 <ennael> marcom left for a trip it seems :) 19:29:27 <TeaAge> :) 19:29:36 <TeaAge> I will join the discussion soon, too 19:30:16 <ennael> would be nice to post on list 19:30:23 <TeaAge> of course 19:30:49 <ennael> and yes it's on -dev ML only for pratical purpose :) 19:32:09 <trishf42> nono. just looking at our constituents on the forums. rrrgh... 19:32:32 <trishf42> marcomm's job is not to have a pov; marcomm's job is to work out what the general pov is, and report same! 19:32:48 <trishf42> (but I like the 9-month release thing, so.) 19:32:52 <ennael> it does not prevent you to have ideas about it :) 19:33:26 <trishf42> but there's something to be said for a fuzzy timeline, where you can go a little earlier/little later... 19:33:40 <ennael> just post about it ok ? :) 19:33:44 <trishf42> ok! 19:34:02 <ennael> #action wait for marcom posts about release cycle on ML 19:34:13 <ennael> things have to be said now after it will be a bit late 19:34:26 <obgr_seneca> should we get our team's opinion on the topic as well or just personal opinions? 19:34:32 <misc> sorry, was late ( transport issue ) 19:34:37 <ennael> obgr_seneca: as you want 19:34:42 <ennael> youcan give both :) 19:35:19 <ennael> #action trishf42 will post soon about artwork brainstorm 19:35:32 <trishf42> ennael: 8-) 19:35:42 <ennael> what are the next brainstorms? 19:35:44 <obgr_seneca> I think having the opinions of the people doing the work would be important... 19:35:50 <ennael> obgr_seneca: sure 19:35:58 <ennael> obgr_seneca: but we cannot write for them :) 19:36:00 <damsweb> hello all 19:36:09 <TeaAge> hey hey 19:36:16 <obgr_seneca> Know but we can askinside the tem mls for it 19:36:19 <trishf42> and it won't hurt to have some non-devs saying that release cycles are a bit dependent on dev-power! 19:36:30 <ennael> we have also in reviews quite a lot of questions about install media 19:36:32 <trishf42> hey damsweb 19:36:32 <obgr_seneca> hi damswebs/Know/No/ 19:36:39 <obgr_seneca> oups 19:36:45 <ennael> trishf42: sure 19:38:13 <obgr_seneca> should we add a brainstorm about install media as well or do it in the general post mortem? 19:38:43 <ennael> I guess it deserves its own discussion 19:38:58 <ennael> free / non-free content, content, size... 19:39:08 <ennael> and make things clear about it 19:39:33 <ennael> which is not clear for now 19:39:34 <rda> I am not sure what to brainstorm (on a large scale) about the web part - I mean, not having a large workforce 19:39:39 <rda> ennael: yep 19:39:48 <misc> rda: personnally, if I could avoid, I would 19:39:58 <ennael> avoid what ? 19:39:58 <misc> ( and yes, people can quote me on that ) 19:40:01 <rda> :) 19:40:15 <rda> ennael: about the web stuff 19:40:19 <ennael> :) 19:40:34 <ennael> about install media what about finalizing release cycle and speak about it after? 19:40:58 <TeaAge> yes better make the big discussion one by one 19:41:29 <ennael> #action start discussion about install media after release cycle is decided 19:41:50 <ennael> anything else on brainstorms. 19:41:51 <ennael> ? 19:42:02 <misc> ennael: did we said we would discuss support after ? 19:42:12 <tmb> btw, I'd like to suggest to make 2 x86_64 livecds of Mageia1 19:42:12 <ennael> support? 19:42:22 <misc> well, support policy 19:42:28 <ennael> don't understand 19:42:35 <ennael> is it about lts ? 19:42:50 <misc> yes 19:42:54 <ennael> yep 19:42:57 <misc> the stuff I said in my mail 19:43:00 <ennael> and it was written in mail 19:43:22 <ennael> tmb: yep that's why we have to make things clear to avoid multiple isos and answer users need 19:43:25 <ennael> s 19:44:30 <ennael> anything else? 19:45:12 <ennael> ok next topic then 19:45:16 <ennael> #topic Think about backups for important positions (admins of blogs, forums...) 19:45:21 <ennael> this is a very short one 19:45:45 <ennael> we do have some important positions that are for now handled by only one guy 19:45:57 <ennael> which may be a pb when he is not available 19:46:17 <misc> do we have a list of such position ? 19:46:20 <ennael> so either we ask him not to have any free time or we find a second one to help 19:46:32 <misc> ennael: solution 1 seems fine 19:46:39 <ennael> :) 19:46:47 <misc> ( it is no like it is not already explicitely asked to some people ) 19:46:58 <misc> s/explicitely/implicitely/ 19:47:04 <ennael> I have in mind blog and forums admin 19:47:17 <ennael> maybe we have some others 19:47:52 <obgr_seneca> @forums: We have some dedicated moderators, perhaps we could ask one of them? 19:48:00 <obgr_seneca> isadora comes to mind 19:48:11 <ennael> he has to be familiar with phpbb admin 19:48:22 <misc> we could first spell the requirement before proposing anyone ? 19:48:26 <obgr_seneca> That's a bigger problem 19:48:38 <ennael> well that's not major needs 19:48:42 <damsweb> for blog admin, all is on puppet and users will be leads by ldap in a couple of days 19:48:46 <ennael> creating accounts, giving some rights... 19:50:04 <obgr_seneca> I would propose wobo for forums, after all he knows phpbb quite well, but I think he an maat might not be the best team 19:50:31 <rda> damsweb: you mean we will log in blog admin through our mageia uid now? 19:51:00 <ennael> this does not solve all 19:51:20 <damsweb> rda: I must check the ldap plugins found (3) but I hope so for admin too 19:51:32 <damsweb> for other things, all is in puppet 19:51:36 <damsweb> so in svn 19:51:37 <misc> ennael: it would ease delegation, and tracking who does what, but indeed, we need to find a 2nd admin 19:51:43 <ennael> yep 19:52:01 <ennael> I do not expect solution tonight but we need to keep this in mind 19:52:12 <misc> but I guess we can let first dams finish everything before asking to find a second admin :) 19:52:24 <ennael> forum can be done for now 19:53:03 <damsweb> poor dams! 19:53:04 <ennael> #action check we have always a 2d guy to help in admin for all teams to make it easier at any time 19:53:09 <ennael> ok 19:53:28 <ennael> obgr_seneca: can you make your proposals on sysadmin? 19:53:43 <obgr_seneca> about forums? 19:53:49 <ennael> yep 19:53:53 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:53:57 <ennael> thanks 19:54:17 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_senecamake proposal about second forums admin on sysadmin 19:54:23 <obgr_seneca> #undo 19:54:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x8389e4c> 19:54:30 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca make proposal about second forums admin on sysadmin 19:55:04 <misc> well, can we first spell requirement with maat about what the 2nd admin will need ( from a skill point of view ) ? 19:55:12 <ennael> yep 19:55:22 <ennael> I was rather thinking about users management 19:55:40 <ennael> not global forum configuration but maybe could be nice to have it also 19:55:51 <obgr_seneca> Isn't users management done on ldap level? 19:56:11 <ennael> if we can avoid sysadmin to get zillions of tasks 19:56:14 <ennael> would be nice :) 19:57:07 <obgr_seneca> should I discuss with maat? 19:57:16 <ennael> can be nice 19:58:19 <obgr_seneca> will do 19:58:22 <ennael> ok 19:58:36 <ennael> #topic Mageia 2 action plan 19:58:45 <ennael> ok last topic on the list 19:59:13 <ennael> this was rather about todo list that has to be done so that we can work properly 19:59:30 <ennael> one point was about cycle release, it's in progress 19:59:46 <ennael> we have also discussion about technical specifications in progress 19:59:53 <ennael> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso2:technical_specification 20:00:22 <ennael> on that specific point we need also to have marcom feedback and ideas maybe more on functionnal specifications 20:01:17 <trishf42> what sort of feedback do you want from marcomm? 20:01:19 <rda> should it be detailed already, or just a summary, that far? 20:01:51 <ennael> well detailed enough so that it can be understood 20:02:05 <ennael> if you have a look on spec page it's rather general 20:02:19 <rda> yes 20:02:42 <ennael> well some details at least to avoid asking for it to understand proposal 20:06:08 <trishf42> okay, I'll put a post on-list to get people to go look and add their bit from marcomm, and it's on my list also 20:07:28 <ennael> ok 20:08:56 <ennael> about artwork would be nice to start as soon as possible 20:09:04 <ennael> as we have lots of missing piecefor now 20:09:17 <ennael> I spoke with trishf42 about it some days ago 20:09:38 <trishf42> I've posted the branding query to the artwork list - it was just waiting for TeaAge to say ok 20:09:56 <TeaAge> I'm working on the wiki page and did some brainstorming for artwork goals for mageia2 20:09:59 <trishf42> so hopefully there'll be some more in the doc shortly. Then it can go to discuss and get the once-over 20:10:09 <trishf42> TeaAge: cool! 20:10:12 <TeaAge> will bring this to topic in the next meeting 20:10:58 <ennael> any other big item on this topic? 20:11:08 <TeaAge> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=designers#mageia_2 20:11:53 <rda> TeaAge: nice 20:11:56 <rda> ennael: not for me 20:12:22 <obgr_seneca> not for me, too 20:12:32 <TeaAge> me neither 20:12:38 <trishf42> nor me 20:12:42 <ennael> I guess everyone is eating pizza or sleeping :) 20:12:46 <tmb> not for me 20:12:54 <trishf42> no pizza here, just sporifia 20:12:59 <obgr_seneca> no pizza for you? 20:13:03 <ennael> :) 20:13:08 <tmb> :) 20:13:12 <ennael> any other topic that was not in list? 20:14:27 <tmb> nope 20:15:10 <ennael> ok 20:15:17 <ennael> #endmeeting