18:46:59 <ennael> #startmeeting 18:46:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon May 23 18:46:59 2011 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:46:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:47:10 <ennael> #chair misc ennael 18:47:10 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael misc 18:48:08 <ennael> ok this meeting will all dedicated to coming release 18:48:14 <ennael> 9 days left now 18:49:00 <ennael> so the point here is to finalize todo list 18:49:49 <ennael> so on technical side 18:49:58 <ennael> just a few dates 18:50:12 <ennael> we should start building final isos from thursday 18:50:15 <ennael> for tests purpose 18:50:40 <ennael> so we will needsome testers 18:50:51 <ennael> rather advanced users and packagers 18:51:31 <misc> I could be ready but I am not sure for the weekend 18:51:48 <ennael> ok 18:51:48 <obgr_seneca> i will be here 18:53:17 <ennael> ok I will check some others later 18:53:30 <ennael> live CDs will be tested in limited team 18:53:37 <ennael> all bugs should be solved now 18:53:50 <ennael> (unionfs especially and KDE live too big) 18:53:56 <ennael> just in time 18:54:26 <ennael> somemay have more tests in coming days for live isos 18:55:33 <ennael> it means submits will be frozen from friday 18:55:43 <ennael> unless some bugs discovered in isos tests 18:56:18 <ennael> so we may all here have to remind this on every teams :) 18:56:24 <misc> #info submit are frozen on friday 18:56:25 <ennael> including i18n and artwork 18:56:35 <obgr_seneca> yep 18:56:53 <TeaAge> yep 18:57:00 <ennael> after friday all non blocking bugs will go through updates after release 18:57:41 <obgr_seneca> One question about adding packages 18:57:43 <ennael> on blocker bugs side it looks like it's nearly done 18:57:45 <ennael> yep ? 18:57:52 <obgr_seneca> Will they go to updates or to backports? 18:57:57 <misc> update 18:57:59 <obgr_seneca> ok 18:58:21 <ennael> you mean import of new packages ? 18:58:30 <ennael> in stable release ? 18:58:42 <ennael> (just tomake things clear) 18:59:14 <obgr_seneca> yep, I mean import of new packages in stable release 18:59:56 <misc> that would be backport 19:00:05 <obgr_seneca> ah, ok 19:00:10 <misc> sorry if I was not clear 19:00:20 <obgr_seneca> no prob 19:00:39 <obgr_seneca> Just so we know, when answering questions in the forums 19:01:11 <ennael> yep 19:01:26 <ennael> we need to finalize release notes 19:01:32 <ennael> as it will be included in isos 19:01:40 <ennael> at least as complete as psosible 19:01:59 <ennael> possible 19:02:27 <TeaAge> in english only? 19:02:31 <ennael> yep 19:02:34 <TeaAge> k 19:02:35 <ennael> for now 19:02:51 <ennael> it's not localized yet in install 19:03:03 <obgr_seneca> shell it be? 19:03:11 <ennael> maybe... but later :) 19:03:13 <obgr_seneca> then i18n team should get it asap 19:03:21 <ennael> at least we can do it 19:03:34 <ennael> but after english is done and as soon as possibme 19:03:41 <ennael> meaning before friday 19:04:46 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:04:59 <ennael> isos should be ready for tuesday end of the day 19:05:04 <misc> keep in mind that release notes are also updated sometimes 19:05:07 <ennael> to let us upload them on mirrors 19:05:11 <ennael> sure 19:05:19 <ennael> but on isoswe need a first version 19:05:23 <misc> #info releases notes should be done in english, before frieday 19:05:43 <misc> #info iso should be ready for tuesday, end of the day for testing 19:06:43 <ennael> i18n team: obgr_seneca can you make a global review on pending tasks 19:06:44 <ennael> if any 19:07:12 <obgr_seneca> pending tasks are the translatgion of release website, blogs and so on 19:07:37 <ennael> are you working with patricia and romain ? 19:07:40 <obgr_seneca> At the moment I am working with rda and marcom on these web pages so i18n gets them before release 19:07:46 <ennael> ok 19:07:59 <ennael> would be nice maybe to have a short review on friday for example 19:08:05 <ennael> to make sure things are going as expected 19:08:26 <obgr_seneca> so the plan is for romain, patrician and me to finish them some days before release for i18n (mid of this week is planned) 19:08:36 <ennael> ok 19:08:47 <obgr_seneca> That's all for i18n 19:08:55 <ennael> ok thanks 19:09:00 <ennael> artwork ? 19:09:03 <ennael> TeaAge: ? 19:09:18 <TeaAge> well, what should I say, as you know it best :) 19:09:26 <TeaAge> there are a view tasks to do 19:09:44 <ennael> any feedback on it 19:09:45 <ennael> ? 19:10:00 <TeaAge> we still need a menu button, the installer screens, have to be updated 19:10:13 <ennael> Iwill try to see for the menu button 19:10:21 <ennael> I may know someonewho could handle it 19:10:33 <TeaAge> that would be great 19:10:43 <ennael> will try to check this now 19:10:53 <ennael> for advertising screens 19:10:57 <TeaAge> bugzilla is relativly "artwork cleaned" 19:11:14 <ennael> did you check with patricia ? 19:12:28 <TeaAge> patricia attended on the last meeting. We distributed some tasks and are done with it, as far as I know. She wanted to address the installer screens, but have no feedback on it yet 19:13:55 <ennael> I guess she added some stuff on wiki 19:14:20 <TeaAge> oh, and we need kde/gnome/custom Icons for the package selection screen in the installer 19:14:34 <ennael> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marcom:sandbox&s[]=advertising#mageia_1_advertising_screens_during_install 19:14:50 <ennael> TeaAge: I started to do some screenshots for this 19:14:58 <ennael> will try to finalize it tomorrow 19:15:18 <ennael> TeaAge: can you check with patricia on advertising screen 19:15:25 <ennael> as it seems ideas are there 19:15:25 <TeaAge> for sure 19:15:28 <ennael> ok 19:17:01 <ennael> it's a shame she is not there I will ask them kind of review by mail 19:17:26 <ennael> obgr_seneca, TeaAge, misc : can we plan a last mail about all this planning for all teams 19:17:29 <ennael> ? 19:17:40 <misc> we can plan, yes 19:18:04 <ennael> oh btw check also secteam is ready ti start after release 19:18:04 <misc> we can redact it just after the meeting, on piratepad ? 19:18:08 <ennael> yep 19:18:12 <obgr_seneca> sorry, was afk 19:18:16 <obgr_seneca> and yes, we can 19:18:20 <ennael> \o/ 19:18:21 <ennael> :) 19:18:24 <TeaAge> each team a mail or one for all? 19:18:32 <ennael> well rather each team a mil 19:18:34 <ennael> mail 19:18:43 <ennael> with own focus but giving an idea on general planning 19:18:51 <obgr_seneca> hi rda 19:18:54 <ennael> ah hereis he :) 19:18:56 <rda> hi 19:19:01 <rda> sorry 19:19:07 <TeaAge> huhu 19:19:18 <ennael> rda: we werejust making revies on i18n, packagers, artwork 19:19:21 <ennael> your turn :) 19:19:24 <rda> ha 19:19:30 <rda> ahem. so. 19:19:30 <ennael> for mkting and web sites 19:19:34 <rda> *cough* 19:19:38 <ennael> :) 19:19:41 <ennael> don't be shy 19:19:57 <rda> about web sites; obgr and me started reviewing the contribute page (derivating it from the wiki page) 19:20:12 <ennael> aI asked also ahmad78 to have a look 19:20:19 <rda> and several other pages are planned (featuring the product, the home page, the support page, the downloads page) 19:20:29 <ennael> nice 19:20:46 <ennael> what about announcement ? 19:20:53 <rda> I didn't do all my homework, but I've seen Patricia coming up with draft for these pages contents - although it still needs screenshots and features close ups 19:21:02 <ennael> as it's usually used by web sites as it 19:21:10 <rda> as it ? 19:21:16 <rda> announcement, the message, or..? 19:21:24 <ennael> usually they just paste our own announcement 19:21:36 <obgr_seneca> it depends 19:21:45 <rda> ah yes 19:21:46 <ennael> most of them :) 19:22:06 <obgr_seneca> one of the two main German news pages writes their own, the other one writes what wobo and I give them :D 19:22:13 <ennael> :) 19:22:14 <rda> well, I suggest we do format the blog post for that, no? (message + focus images) we may as well provide a dedicated section of press images 19:22:20 <ennael> yep 19:22:35 <ennael> but it has to be prepared to avoid last minute post :) 19:22:39 <ennael> and allow translation 19:23:56 <rda> yep, sure 19:24:19 <rda> I just got dams on the phone, he can't find a hotspot to get online so he said to me what his status is 19:24:30 <rda> mostly, for this week, he's focusing on finishing the QA table (with yes/no answers for test cases) 19:24:31 <ennael> ok go then 19:24:43 <rda> + financial reports updates + donators list updates 19:26:07 <ennael> ok 19:26:36 <ennael> antyhing else to add ? 19:27:08 <rda> about the marketing part, I think patricia would be more up to date than me 19:27:15 <misc> #info qa is ready working on qt table 19:27:25 <rda> just that I'm happy TeaAge and trish take a hold on their respective teams :) 19:27:26 <ennael> can we ask her to mai a short review ? 19:27:30 <ennael> :) 19:27:32 <rda> sure 19:28:21 <ennael> ok 19:29:04 <ennael> misc: we need ti check on mirror side to make things ready for sync 19:29:28 <misc> ennael: ie ? 19:29:37 <obgr_seneca> do we have a mirror ml by now? 19:30:30 <misc> we do have a mirror-announce ml, but there is still some issue ( ie people subscribe using a non planned path, ie without using identity ) 19:30:31 <rda> misc: maybe exploring the push mirror thing (from debian) and/or stating something regarding ibiblio (how to make sure they are in sync when we do release the announcement) 19:30:56 <rda> misc: is that blocking? 19:31:21 <misc> rda: well, the other issue s to make sure the people subscribe to it 19:31:33 <rda> yes, but if it's inclusive? 19:31:41 <misc> ? 19:32:00 <rda> subscribing people through identity + as a standalone subscription? 19:32:25 <obgr_seneca> misc: you have a list of mirror maintainers having subscribed? 19:32:27 <rda> or I didn't understand the issue. anyway, there are two things: the ml, and how to make sure the mirrors are better in sync for the release. 19:32:32 <obgr_seneca> and those who have not? 19:32:35 <misc> obgr_seneca: almost no one 19:32:49 <obgr_seneca> I can ask the German mirror admins 19:33:03 <misc> to have mirror in sync, there is nothing to do, we place the iso, we wait until tier1 catch it, and later tier2 19:33:08 <misc> the real issue is timing 19:33:40 <rda> ok 19:33:40 <misc> ie, when do we place the iso , and when do we post the announce for public consumption 19:34:01 <obgr_seneca> we should leave some time between it, for the mirrors to catch up 19:34:11 <rda> if we plan to take ibiblio into account, that will be not so practical 19:34:23 <obgr_seneca> but not too much or we will have people anouncing it when they find the isos all over the net 19:34:23 <misc> ibiblio is a tier2 19:35:02 <rda> and the only mirror in North America 19:35:11 <rda> anyway. other things to review? 19:35:19 <misc> we know when ibiblio sync 19:35:33 <AL13N> (most mirrors catch up after max of 6hours 19:35:58 <misc> so with good timing, we can avoid issues ( ie, release on valstart before 10h CEST ) 19:36:06 <ennael> back 19:36:22 <ennael> big part is tree mirroring 19:36:32 <ennael> so that mgaonline can work properly 19:37:20 <obgr_seneca> Should we release the distrib tree a few hours before the isos? 19:38:01 <misc> provided we use hardlink, thing can be quite fast, since the file are the same ( since there is no need to sign again - 19:39:12 <ennael> this has to be organized a bit :) 19:39:22 <ennael> :me does not like last minute decisions :) 19:39:28 <misc> but exact details should be seen with olivier ( and he went to bed ), as he is the rsync expert 19:39:35 <ennael> yep 19:40:03 <ennael> we can plan a beer^w^wmeeting for this 19:40:15 <rda> same as the key signing party? 19:40:19 <ennael> yep 19:40:42 * misc is again free except for meeting 19:40:51 <ennael> ? 19:41:04 <misc> if there is a meeting one evening, I guess I cannot be there 19:41:23 <misc> and for signing the key, it just requires 3 person of the board, so that should not be hard 19:41:35 <ennael> ok let see the details after meeting 19:41:49 <ennael> anything else to add ? 19:42:16 <misc> not for me, except that we should take note about what we did, and what went wrong, so we can document and improve for the next time 19:42:50 <ennael> yep 19:42:55 <ennael> post mortem after release 19:43:16 <obgr_seneca> I'm planning some kind of debriefing with i18n after release 19:43:26 <obgr_seneca> maybe that's a good idea for all the teams 19:43:29 <trishf42> sorry I'm late... 19:43:30 <ennael> yep 19:43:33 <ennael> ah 19:43:36 <ennael> ok :) 19:43:42 <obgr_seneca> hi trishf42 19:43:46 <trishf42> hi 19:43:49 <ennael> trishf42: we need your brief about mkting todo list :) 19:43:54 <trishf42> okay, now? 19:44:28 <ennael> yep :) 19:44:35 <trishf42> I'm waiting on a couple of things to complete the texts: 19:45:10 <trishf42> list of ISOs for the download page; list of people for the thank-you page; 19:45:31 <trishf42> specs and dev info for the focus pages. 19:45:56 <rda> so you got no feedback so far? 19:45:59 <trishf42> I'm putting together a suggested mockup for the release day front page, waiting on some stuff from artwork for that. 19:46:14 <trishf42> Some feedback, not yet usable - I've responded. 19:46:25 <misc> I answered to the mail of trish, didn't answered on the 2nd mail 19:46:31 <trishf42> The thank-you page is going to be the hardest, i think - too many shy people! 19:46:45 <rda> private answers or... /me didn't see them going through 19:47:00 <trishf42> some stuff is already up on the marketing sandbox for people to look at and comment on 19:47:15 <rda> trishf42: I'm afraid we'll have to dig this one for this time. better have something with automated + opt-in next time. 19:47:22 <trishf42> I figure, texts should be ready(ish) for Wednesday for sending to i18n 19:47:33 <trishf42> so, leave the thanks page off for now? 19:47:39 <trishf42> <phew!> 19:47:40 <obgr_seneca> trishf42: you can do this using me as contact 19:47:59 <trishf42> obgr_seneca: which one? thanks page or... 19:48:10 <obgr_seneca> @i18n 19:48:16 <trishf42> okay, thanks 19:48:21 <obgr_seneca> sorry, I was not fast enough 19:48:39 <TeaAge> trishf42: what is missing from the artwork team? 19:48:39 <trishf42> np 19:49:08 <trishf42> I have opened up the zips you sent me, and the images aren't usable, but I now have RC installed so I can use images from there. 19:49:15 <trishf42> We need to do two things: 19:49:42 <trishf42> 1. bring the visual brand a bit closer together - and that means, website to install, because it's too late to mess with the install. 19:49:54 <rda> website to install? 19:49:57 <trishf42> 2, design the front page of the website for release day 19:50:33 <trishf42> rda: I mean, make the website look more like the visual of the installation. Not all the way - just take some of the motifs of the install and put them on the website.# 19:50:55 <trishf42> We talked about this some at the artwork meeting, and on the list 19:51:03 <trishf42> rda: you were out of town then I think 19:51:09 <rda> trishf42: I'd focus on something else than that. that's really late to start something like this. 19:51:25 <rda> trishf42: yep, saw that in my mail but was not sure how to build on that at the time :) 19:51:32 <trishf42> 8-) If you're looking at doing a whole new front page for release day, why not go for it? 19:51:45 <trishf42> It's only a background image - no biggie! 19:51:54 <rda> a whole new front page, is about the content + design of the specific area for the release. 19:52:07 <rda> the whole page design, on the other hand, that's another thing 19:52:13 <trishf42> Just to get some of that dark navy with bubbles (or even just the colour) in there... 19:52:41 <rda> depends on what you want to do, really. 19:52:43 <trishf42> The layout is fine; the colours of the two things are so wildly different, it isn't a brand. We should do it sometime; we can do some of it now. 19:53:04 <rda> well, the website and the product are two separate things/goals/platforms. 19:53:06 <trishf42> Just add 2 colours to the website. Dark navy and grey. 19:53:38 <trishf42> The Mageia Community is one thing. the brand identifies all the parts of it as being part of that one thing... does that make sense? 19:53:58 <rda> let's talk about this later or in an other place. 19:54:02 <trishf42> web is one; distro is another; forums are another; lists are another... 19:54:07 <TeaAge> if we want to merge both or at least to uniform them, then we should decide which theme we prefer and want to stay with the next time 19:54:16 <rda> it's just that we're 8 days into the release, and changing this sort of thing with so little time is... really a bit late. 19:54:38 <trishf42> 8-) It wouldn't be so late, but it takes over a week to talk you guys into anything! 19:55:11 <rda> that's to take into account. and why decoupling the theme of both the product and the website is good. 19:55:12 <trishf42> It's up to you - it's not great for marketing at the moment, but it can wait if that's what everyone thinks. 19:55:21 <rda> the brand, for now, takes on the minimalist item that is the logo. 19:55:31 <trishf42> 8-) sounds good. 19:55:42 <trishf42> It actually looks like they're from two different planets. 19:56:14 <trishf42> Mind you, just screenshots on the front page for release day will balance things - but the next day, it's business as usual. 19:56:19 <rda> that's version 1. we've got time to improve on that. the distribution theme has not been thought for a website, and the other way around. 19:56:38 <rda> trishf42: the next day, everything may change. nothing is frozen anymore. 19:56:50 <trishf42> So - first thing after release, we start on a colour palette and all that stuff...? 19:56:51 <TeaAge> I agree with rda 19:57:14 <TeaAge> i think this is a goal for release 2 19:57:20 <trishf42> okay - if that's what you want, then the artwork stuff falls off my list. I'm just waiting on info to complete a couple of texts. 19:57:27 <trishf42> (When is Release 2?) 19:57:34 * obgr_seneca sees both points 19:57:38 <rda> trishf42: no, first thing is, we secure a artwork/design team with people that can lead this. alex did a great job, unfortunately, couldn't attend regularly enough. and we have no clear direction for the time being. 19:57:56 <obgr_seneca> and I think it would be great to have some kind of strategy after Mga1 19:57:57 <rda> trishf42: not before next December I'd say, but nothing is decided yet. 19:58:10 <rda> obgr_seneca: that's the goal of the whole brainstorm :) 19:58:19 <obgr_seneca> yep 19:58:28 <trishf42> I think, with respect, that your marketing team (whether I'm on it or not) should be leading the branding effort; it's a multi-faceted thing with artwork one part. 19:59:05 <trishf42> Nyway, it's probably not the week to be doing that kind of planning, eh. 19:59:11 <trishf42> My 2c is in! 19:59:14 <ennael> :) 19:59:19 <rda> trishf42: you're on it, no question about it. :) 19:59:28 <ennael> I guess we will have time after release 19:59:33 <rda> but I'm picky about the branding/marketing thing too. :-p 19:59:35 <trishf42> rda: now if you could get me some more warm bodies... 19:59:38 <TeaAge> artwork and marketing have to work together more closely 19:59:51 <ennael> anything else to add ? 19:59:59 <trishf42> yep. Can I just attend your meetings? I feel like an idiot having meetings by myself 20:00:05 <rda> trishf42: I'd love to :-p 20:00:13 <TeaAge> of course you can 20:00:18 <trishf42> rda: naughty! 20:00:29 <rda> trishf42: I didn't mean that! 20:00:31 <ennael> can we have a mail from all teams on friday morning? 20:00:40 <rda> TeaAge: trishf42: we could project a IRL meeting in the Summer 20:00:43 <ennael> to make a small review on all todo list ? 20:00:46 <trishf42> rda: no, nor did I - I meant, they have to be alive! 20:00:53 <rda> trishf42: yep! ;) 20:01:10 <trishf42> rda: TeaAge: yep, sounds good. (are we all on the same continent?) 20:01:18 <ennael> guys 20:01:18 <trishf42> ennael: yes. 20:01:44 <rda> trishf42: TeaAge: well, France/Belgium looks to be the medium place :-p 20:02:04 <trishf42> rda: TeaAge: anyone going to AAATE? 20:02:12 <ennael> please 20:02:18 <ennael> can we finish this meeting 20:02:24 <rda> ennael: sure 20:02:44 * ennael notes: marcom is too noisy 20:02:46 <ennael> :) 20:02:47 <trishf42> sure 20:02:53 <ennael> 22:00 < ennael> can we have a mail from all teams on friday morning? 20:02:57 <ennael> on council ml 20:03:07 <trishf42> ennael: yes, it's in my calendar 20:03:08 <misc> #action mail from all team on friday 20:03:13 <rda> yep 20:03:16 <ennael> so that we can give some help in any team if needed 20:03:21 * TeaAge has to join the councils ml ^^ 20:03:24 <misc> a mail about what ? 20:03:36 <ennael> pending tasks / todo list 20:03:40 <TeaAge> final state 20:03:41 <ennael> to make sure we are on time 20:03:42 <misc> #undo 20:03:42 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb74a634c> 20:03:52 <misc> #action mail from all team on friday regarding TODO list and peding task 20:03:58 * misc lost track 20:04:01 <ennael> :)) 20:04:07 <ennael> #undo 20:04:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb742136c> 20:04:14 <rda> ennael seems to have lost track too 20:04:15 <ennael> #action mail from all team on friday regarding TODO list and pending tasks 20:04:27 <ennael> rda: thanks to marcom blablabla 20:04:28 <ennael> :) 20:04:30 <rda> one #undo too far 20:04:40 <misc> nope 20:04:40 <rda> :-p 20:04:49 <ennael> ok can we close the meeting now? 20:04:52 <trishf42> y 20:04:52 <ennael> anyhting to add ? 20:04:53 <misc> yes 20:04:54 <trishf42> n 20:04:59 <misc> nothing to add for me 20:05:01 <ennael> great 20:05:02 * trishf42 goes silent 20:05:04 <ennael> :) 20:05:10 <ennael> #endmeeting