19:03:06 <ennael> #startmeeting
19:03:06 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Dec 13 19:03:06 2010 UTC.  The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:03:06 <wobo> ennael: just translated the blog entry about media, added as comment a pointer to the wiki page with press reviews
19:03:24 <ennael> #chair misc boklm ennael
19:03:24 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: boklm ennael misc
19:03:27 <jq> misc: ok, my son is in bed, and my wife isn't yet home. i can participate
19:04:16 <ennael> #topic FOSDEM: what do we plan for FOSDEM ?
19:04:25 <ennael> ok first topic is about FOSDEM
19:04:43 <ennael> as we spoke about it this afternoon with misc would be nice to start working on it
19:05:00 <ennael> we are waiting for an answer from organization about Mageia stand
19:05:08 <ennael> should come in coming days
19:05:21 <rtp> ennael: maybe starting by giving again the dates would be nice ?
19:06:01 <ennael> 5-6 february
19:06:07 <ennael> http://fosdem.org/2011/
19:06:08 <misc> 5/6 february 2011, in Bruxelles
19:06:54 <misc> http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:fosdem2011
19:06:58 <ennael> there is a call for talks in districonf devroom
19:07:02 <ennael> districonf
19:07:11 <ennael> as you may know (or not)
19:07:23 <ennael> distributions have nearly no more separate devrooms
19:07:43 <ennael> it's a common program to allow cross-distro talks
19:07:55 <misc> http://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2010-November/001052.html
19:08:03 <ennael> yep
19:08:17 <ennael> I guess would be nice to propose something about Mageia
19:08:38 <ennael> something like how project has started, organization, community...
19:08:45 <ennael> or any idea you may have
19:09:06 <ennael> #url http://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2010-November/001052.html
19:09:16 <misc> how long should be the talk ?
19:09:31 <ennael> they are usually quite short can be 1/2h or 1h
19:10:17 <misc> I will think about something, but last time I did a english presentation was 6 years ago :)
19:10:36 <ennael> I guess we can add this on wiki
19:10:45 <ennael> #url http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:fosdem2011
19:11:02 <ennael> #action think about Mageia talk for FOSDEM
19:11:05 <wobo> The talk could be held by 2 or even 3 persons, one about reasons, one about community, one about future of the distro
19:11:15 <ennael> yep
19:11:52 <ennael> also would be nice to check who is going to FOSDEM so that we can meet each other
19:12:01 <wobo> see wiki page
19:12:09 <misc> yup, and see the call on ml :)
19:13:14 <wobo> we should send announcements end of the year, and again 2 weeks before the event - on the blog / website
19:13:38 <ennael> yep
19:13:40 <wobo> and publish in external media
19:13:59 <ennael> as soon as we have answer about stand and if it's ok we will need to organize all this in a proper way
19:14:07 <wobo> yes
19:14:28 <wobo> Oliver and I will come from Germany, ready to help if needed
19:14:43 <damsweb> hello all
19:15:07 <ennael> ok anything else to add on this ?
19:15:11 <misc> #action wait on answer from organisation to organize FOSDEM presence if we have a booth
19:15:18 <wobo> T-Shirts!
19:15:28 <ennael> yep
19:15:38 <damsweb> yep, I will prepare proposal for T and event box for FOSDEM (depending on money on our account)
19:15:45 <damsweb> s/T/TS/
19:16:04 <damsweb> sorry for being late
19:16:06 <wobo> we can pay for our "outfit"
19:16:38 <wobo> not to take money which may be needed elsewhere
19:16:40 <AL13N> #url http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=tshirt
19:16:48 <ennael> there is a page on wiki with proposals for it
19:16:55 <ennael> yep that one
19:17:46 <damsweb> the old spreadshirt shop will be opened next day, it will help to spread mageia and let ppl buy their own TS
19:18:07 <misc> what old spreadshit shop ?
19:18:19 <ennael> again would be nice to inform about margins...
19:18:24 * ennael has fixed ideas
19:18:50 <damsweb> ennael: already noticed on the shop
19:19:07 <damsweb> misc: spreadshirt.[.com|.eu]/mageia
19:19:13 <damsweb> IIRC
19:19:22 <ennael> ok :)
19:19:30 <rtp> ennael: yeah, we should be 100% transparent about this
19:19:41 <misc> damsweb: yeah, but why "old" and well, who did it and why wasn't it announced or discussed :/
19:19:45 <damsweb> http://mageia.spreadshirt.com/
19:19:56 <damsweb> misc: because never opened for public for now
19:20:05 <damsweb> but opened for test since september
19:20:48 <wobo> damsweb: is this in the US?
19:21:14 <damsweb> http://mageia.spreadshirt.net for EU and mageia.spreadshirt.com for US
19:21:25 <wobo> ok
19:21:38 <misc> damsweb: and sure and so this was not announced not even to the board or founders since 3 months ?
19:21:39 <damsweb> but will be in an iframe on mageia.org
19:22:01 <ennael> damsweb: can you send a quick summary about this on founders ?
19:22:10 <damsweb> ennael: ok I will
19:22:14 <misc> and maybe next time warn like .... before ?
19:22:40 <misc> if we want to avoid mandriva pitafall in temr of communucation, we should try to keep this in mind :/
19:22:44 <misc> rah
19:22:47 <ennael> yep sure
19:22:58 * ennael will offer new fingers to misc for christmas :)
19:23:01 <damsweb> misc: I opened it by myself to "block" the name "mageia" on Spreadshirt. The board and other things were still a dream at this moment :-)
19:23:24 <ennael> ok so a mail to propose it and explain things we will see after that
19:23:25 <ennael> ok ?
19:23:25 <damsweb> I will explain it in a mail
19:23:27 <damsweb> k
19:23:59 <misc> while on it, if there is others idea like bounjour*khof* do not forget to propose them
19:24:08 <misc> ( or on webteam ml )
19:24:17 <damsweb> k, I will too :-p
19:24:19 <ennael> misc: want to propose some interesting pictures ? :)
19:24:30 * damsweb is in all the good plans :-)
19:24:49 <misc> so for tshirts
19:25:07 <wobo> about spreadshirt (my experience):
19:25:20 <wobo> we Mandrivauser.de had a shop there
19:25:34 <misc> ( PLF did too )
19:25:46 <wobo> - expensive (can get the same shirt in Frankfurt for half the price
19:26:01 <wobo> - low qualitiy if you take the standard
19:26:15 <damsweb> wobo: I will explain this in the mail (SpreadShirt will only be used for spreading, not for event. For event we will make TS in big quntyties on a other resaller
19:26:18 <wobo> - printed logo was washed out adter 2 washing
19:26:45 <wobo> damsweb: ah! ok, forget all the dreadful stuff I wrote!
19:26:49 <misc> this remind me some mandriva tshirts /o\
19:26:53 <damsweb> misc: :-)
19:26:54 <ennael> :)
19:27:03 <ennael> ok maybe we can speak about this after damsweb mail
19:27:05 <wobo> misc: +1
19:27:30 <damsweb> wobo: but you should love SpreadShirt as the EU HQ is in Berlin! :-)
19:27:45 <ennael> ok guys anything else to add
19:27:52 <ennael> (don't want 3h meeting :))
19:28:05 <wobo> damsweb: it's my country but sometimes it's not right ! :)
19:28:06 <misc> nope
19:28:12 <wobo> no
19:28:31 <ennael> ok
19:28:34 <ennael> #topic Forums: summary of last meeting
19:28:42 <ennael> misc: want to speak?
19:28:51 <misc> yeah
19:29:11 <misc> so we discussed with mlo people for forums
19:29:22 <misc> but since I am lazy , here is the summary : https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2010-December/001117.html
19:30:24 <ennael> #url https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2010-December/001117.html
19:30:26 <misc> and since no one asked for precision when I sent the mail, I guess I will have nothing to add :)
19:30:44 <misc> #info we found a agreement with MLO for hosting
19:30:56 <ennael> so basically work should start by the end of this week
19:31:02 <misc> #info we wait on the creation of a virtual machine for continuing instalation
19:31:25 <misc> ( optionnaly, we wait on blino to give the name of the server too )
19:33:18 <ennael> ok anything else on this ,
19:33:19 <ennael> ?
19:35:21 <misc> next topic ?
19:35:37 <damsweb> agree
19:36:53 <misc> #topic catdap
19:38:11 <misc> didn't again found the time to work on it, but fortunatly, AL13N did sent us patch, that I should review ( me or buchan )
19:38:29 <AL13N> :-D
19:39:01 <misc> i think catdap should be ready at least for technical users at the end of the week, I just want to make some small change to ldap for email
19:39:24 <misc> #action misc integrate AL13N patchs
19:39:32 <ennael> great
19:39:36 <misc> #info catdap should be good enough for the end of the week
19:39:40 <AL13N> (what about forgot_password?)
19:39:43 <ennael> so who should first create accounts?
19:40:02 <misc> AL13N: well, you were working o it, no :) ?
19:40:15 <misc> ennael: i guess for people that need it, ie packagers, svn commiters
19:40:19 <AL13N> er, yes, but it's not ready and i'm not a Catalyst expert
19:40:30 <misc> AL13N: well, we will review the patches
19:40:39 <AL13N> k
19:41:09 <misc> my main fear was that people enter wrong login ( that happened twice on a 10 person group ) and use a name like "apache" etc
19:41:34 <AL13N> i can confirm that that works
19:41:39 <misc> ennael: once we migrate to sympa, people who will use our ml , and the same goes for almost all web application
19:41:52 <ennael> ok great
19:43:46 <misc> i guess I have nothing to add on this :)
19:44:59 <misc> ok so next topic ?
19:45:18 <AL13N> (there are also a few bugs on catdap)
19:45:28 <AL13N> (that i cannot fix)
19:45:46 <misc> AL13N: i guess we will see with buchan
19:45:50 <AL13N> k
19:46:14 <ennael> ok
19:46:25 <ennael> #topic svn / bs: short summary of current status
19:46:44 <misc> boklm: up to you
19:47:34 <boklm> hello
19:48:01 * boklm is late and didn't send mail about svn cleaning guidelines yet :/
19:48:16 <ennael> can we put priority on this ?
19:48:20 <boklm> for status of cleaning, we have this web page, done using script from rda: http://svn.mageia.org/soft-cleaning/status.html
19:48:36 <boklm> yes
19:49:07 <ennael> ok :)
19:49:30 <ennael> #action priority on publishing svn cleaning guidelines
19:49:36 <ahmad78> some of the guidelines are in the README file
19:49:36 <ennael> #url http://svn.mageia.org/soft-cleaning/status.html
19:49:52 <boklm> yes, I think guidelines from rda in README file are good
19:50:20 * boklm need to send mail with them to discuss
19:50:33 <ennael> #info first guidelines on http://svn.mageia.org/soft-cleaning/README
19:50:53 <misc> mhh the usage of ansi color in html is not a rich idea "rpm [1;31mmay"
19:51:14 <boklm> misc: yes, his script was supposed to be used in console first
19:51:27 * boklm will fix this
19:51:46 <ahmad78> also we need a sprint day for the svn cleaning
19:51:58 <ennael> any proposal ?
19:51:58 <boklm> and an option to show images, and a list to mark images as cleaned
19:52:11 <ahmad78> best if all the drak* guys are present (blino, tv.. etc)
19:52:18 <boklm> ahmad78: good idea
19:52:22 <misc> but they work
19:52:36 <ahmad78> we don't need them to do the work, just to answer questions :)
19:52:58 <ahmad78> once we get a solid grep on what needs to be done, we can start doing the grunt work
19:53:02 <misc> so who is volunteer to manage this ?
19:53:15 <ennael> I guess ahmad78 is a good candidate :)
19:53:31 <ahmad78> no, thanks (I don't do 'manage')
19:53:37 <ennael> ralala
19:54:02 <ennael> ok guys I will kick your ass then :)
19:54:18 <ennael> I will send mails and propose a way to work on it
19:54:24 <ennael> you do the rest
19:55:12 * wobo will copy Ahmad's line for future use
19:55:15 <ahmad78> I just want some time where all the experts are around; anothe idea would be to use email for answering questions (which worked OK, c.f. tv's answer on the svn cleaning mail)
19:55:29 <ennael> yep
19:55:41 <ennael> ok I send a proposal after meeting
19:56:07 <ahmad78> great
19:56:22 <ennael> ok
19:56:32 <ennael> boklm: anything else ?
19:56:45 <boklm> hmm, no
19:57:03 <ennael> ok
19:57:08 <misc> so next topic ?
19:57:10 <ennael> #topic Mageia teams: review of progress on teams
19:57:22 <ennael> wobo: can you speak about i18n team?
19:57:40 * maat|alt 's there
19:57:45 <wobo> ok
19:58:05 <wobo> Had first meeting of i18n team last Thursday
19:58:15 <wobo> http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-i18n/2010/mageia-i18n.2010-12-09-09.02.html
19:58:45 <wobo> Few participants but I hope all othrs have read logs and the blog entry today
19:58:57 <wobo> Language team building is on its way (in some teams it is already done)
19:59:12 <wobo> Leader nomination: as we do not know each other well
19:59:40 <misc> well, everybody know you :)
19:59:46 <wobo> we decided to select one to lead for the first 5 months
19:59:55 <wobo> until first release is out
20:00:03 <wobo> and then look again
20:00:07 <maat|alt> and the winner is ?
20:00:20 <maat|alt> s/winner/victim/
20:00:23 <damsweb> :-)
20:00:32 <wobo> We decided to do the "election" on the i18n mailing list
20:00:39 <wobo> so far they focussed on me
20:00:49 <ennael> congrat :)
20:00:49 <wobo> and I don't know a way out!
20:01:04 * maat|alt pats on wobo 's shoulder
20:01:06 <misc> wobo: just find a suppleant
20:01:26 <wobo> misc: yes, this is still open
20:01:38 <wobo> but I already have a victim
20:01:56 <ennael> O. B. ?
20:02:00 <wobo> Next points coming:
20:02:04 <wobo> ennael: yes
20:02:19 * jq has to go (whacky connection)
20:02:23 <wobo> ennael: if the others do not object because he is also German
20:02:42 <wobo> - setting up lists as soon as sympa is on (I will have a list by then).
20:02:54 <wobo> - talking about transifex and svn (I understand that transifex is able to use svn)
20:03:04 <wobo> - access to svn / transifex
20:03:17 <wobo> - recommendation for team leaders to establish a mentor/newcomer system within the language teams (as proposed for packagers)
20:03:37 <misc> see, perfect leader
20:03:39 <wobo> Next meetin is on Thursday
20:03:45 <ennael> :)
20:03:49 <wobo> that's all for now
20:03:55 <ennael> great
20:04:01 <ennael> #url http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-i18n/2010/mageia-i18n.2010-12-09-09.02.html
20:04:13 <ennael> #info next i18n meeting is planned on thursday
20:04:42 <misc> #info wobo is the leader by interim of the i18n team
20:05:17 <wobo> misc: not officially, this will be done in the meeting, maybe they change their mind
20:05:50 <wobo> sorry for the misunderstanding
20:05:56 <ennael> #undo
20:05:56 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x8543dac>
20:06:21 <misc> wobo: well, so far, there is only one personne who did nominate you, and well, that's you :)
20:06:22 <ennael> #info looks like wobo will be the leader by interim of the i18n team
20:06:28 <wobo> :)
20:06:45 <wobo> next
20:06:49 <ennael> ok
20:06:56 <ennael> ahmad78: about triage team ?
20:07:36 <ahmad78> ennael: most pages are ready (not beautiful)
20:07:52 <ahmad78> I want to wait until the sympa migration is done before starting to use the ML
20:08:09 <ahmad78> (point is, triage tutoring needs bug reports, we have none yet)
20:08:15 <ennael> on that topic any deadline misc ?
20:08:45 <ennael> ahmad78: maybe take some from mdv for training ?
20:09:28 <misc> ennael: i hope to finish end of the weekk, but I cannot garantee, so far we have just a test instance, and I am strill reading sympa doc about scenari for the various use case
20:09:43 <misc> but I guess we could open soon the public list, as they are the simplest one
20:09:46 <ennael> ok
20:10:01 <ahmad78> ennael: good point... I just don't want to tread on anyone's toes from mdv :)
20:10:03 <ennael> would be nice indeed
20:10:16 <ennael> ahmad78: :) well take it as an exercise
20:10:28 <ennael> on ML
20:10:41 <misc> well, we do have bug about catdap
20:10:54 <AL13N> lol
20:10:59 <ennael> :)
20:11:02 <misc> but indeed, triaging requires maybe more than 1 product, or it is not difficult
20:11:12 <ahmad78> ennael: well, we want them using bugzilla gui too
20:11:29 <ennael> maybe start with bug report content
20:11:43 <ennael> then you can switch to gui
20:11:53 <ennael> (we need a review on that topic)
20:12:01 <ahmad78> ok
20:13:31 <ennael> #info triage team will open ML as soon as ML are migrated
20:13:46 * misc add triage team as guinea pig
20:13:46 <ennael> #info start training based on mdv bugs
20:13:56 <ennael> misc: ?
20:14:24 <ennael> ahmad78: anything to add on triage team ?
20:14:33 <ahmad78> no
20:14:36 <misc> ennael: for ml :)
20:14:49 <ennael> ah :)
20:14:51 <ennael> ok
20:14:56 <ennael> QA team, damsweb ?
20:15:02 <damsweb> ok
20:15:27 <damsweb> so, I apologize but I'm late...
20:15:45 <damsweb> I wrote a small process for people to train on MDV for now
20:16:04 <damsweb> I will send a mail this week (in 2 days I think) to the ppl on the wiki page about QA
20:16:22 <damsweb> I plan to do the meeting on friday if ppl agree with me
20:16:57 <damsweb> I plan to start the QA team with mentors to help beginners too
20:17:10 <damsweb> but I first need to know the ppl involved in the QA
20:17:19 <ennael> can you send email about this tonight?
20:17:28 <damsweb> to ppl on the wiki?
20:17:28 <ennael> so that people ca plan it
20:17:45 <damsweb> ok I will
20:17:50 <ennael> thanks :)
20:18:09 <ennael> #action first meeting of QA team is planned for friday, mail will be sent tonight
20:18:17 <damsweb> I also made a todo of things to talk about during the meeting (who will validate sec update and so other points)
20:18:51 <damsweb> I think that making QAteam in place will be a big task but I love big things :-)
20:19:10 <ennael> hum... ok :
20:19:12 <ennael> :)
20:19:15 <damsweb> so I send the mail tonight and will also wait for sympa to be in place to start the ML
20:19:28 <ennael> ok
20:19:29 <damsweb> I will inform you on next meeting (on monday about this)
20:19:37 <ennael> now misc has a big pressure on shoulders
20:19:38 <damsweb> or before on IRC/ML
20:19:44 <damsweb> :-)
20:19:55 <ennael> any url already about QA team ?
20:20:07 * wobo thinks misc like big pressures
20:20:13 <damsweb> sorry, not for the moment madam�
20:20:27 <ennael> ok
20:20:40 <ennael> just do not forget so that people can follow progress :)
20:20:48 <damsweb> sure
20:20:56 <ennael> anything else to add ?
20:21:09 <damsweb> ennael: no, that all for me for now
20:21:23 <ennael> ok
20:21:33 <ennael> then my turn finally about Packagers team
20:21:39 <misc> \o/
20:21:46 <damsweb> yeah!
20:21:49 <ennael> writting at the moment a mail to propose first meeting on thursday
20:21:51 <damsweb> 1h30, strange :-)
20:22:18 <ennael> some first items on wiki page for packagers
20:22:21 <wobo> ennael: may collide with i18n meeting
20:22:50 <ennael> maybe we can try wednesday
20:23:07 <misc> wobo: that's sound like a good idea, just tell that you cannot be leader because you want to become packager :)
20:23:18 <wobo> any way to add more weekdays?
20:23:19 <ennael> :)
20:23:38 <damsweb> :-)
20:23:53 <wobo> misc: :) (actually I know packaging basics :)
20:24:07 <ennael> main task will be to register packagers accounts for advanced guys and start mentoring for people who knows already enough things to start quickly
20:24:20 <ennael> I was thinking about blogdrake guys for example
20:24:26 <ennael> and german one
20:25:21 <ennael> was wondering where to send mails
20:25:45 <ennael> either people one by one from wiki page or on -discuss ML
20:26:07 <misc> why not -dev ?
20:26:13 <ennael> -dev yes
20:27:10 <ennael> comment, question ?
20:27:27 <wobo> Write a note in the public lists and put your mail on the wiki in the packager page
20:27:33 <ennael> #action first packagers meeting planned on wednesday
20:27:40 <t_m_b> is /packages added in svn ?
20:28:11 <boklm> t_m_b: yes
20:28:15 <misc> there is one, yes
20:28:25 <boklm> t_m_b: but you need the correct version of repsys to use binary repository
20:29:11 <t_m_b> boklm: what about simple svn access, is that denied?
20:29:19 <boklm> t_m_b: that's possible yes
20:29:51 <misc> $ svn ls svn://svn.mageia.org/svn/packages/
20:29:51 <misc> cauldron/
20:29:51 <boklm> t_m_b: /svn/packages for spec files and patchs, and /svn/binrepos/cauldron for binaries
20:30:01 <misc> svn work for me
20:30:11 <misc> and we still do not have a svn interface :/
20:30:59 * t_m_b had forgot the /svn/ part of the path... now it works :)
20:31:42 <t_m_b> what repsys version will work ?
20:32:07 <boklm> the repsys version that is on this repository
20:32:25 <t_m_b> ok
20:32:26 <boklm> I can send you the .src.rpm
20:32:29 <ennael> anything else to add on mageia  teams ?
20:33:08 <t_m_b> boklm: please do
20:34:06 <misc> ennael: once we have sympa, we should start a moderation team
20:34:16 <AL13N> what about dev team?
20:34:16 <ennael> for ML ?
20:34:21 <misc> yeah
20:34:25 <ennael> ok
20:34:30 <ennael> I think that was in list
20:34:33 <misc> there was ... 3 persons who registered
20:34:38 <ennael> yep
20:34:40 <misc> ( me being one of the 3 )
20:34:45 <ennael> :)
20:35:00 <ennael> about dev team we need somebody to organize start
20:35:26 <AL13N> (also using -dev for packaging; does that not collide with using -dev for dev team?)
20:35:33 <AL13N> it's just a question
20:35:44 <misc> AL13N: not much, the goal is not to separate too much people
20:36:06 <misc> we will see if the traffic requires anothe rlist once thing have started
20:36:14 <ennael> maybe later will be needed but for now it's far enough
20:36:19 <AL13N> k
20:36:35 <misc> and i would rather split per project rather than "developpers and packagers", imho
20:36:39 <ennael> will avoid to have too many ML and loose people at start :
20:36:40 <ennael> :)
20:37:01 <AL13N> what about webteam? do they have leader yet?
20:37:16 <misc> AL13N: yup, see the meeting log
20:37:21 <AL13N> sorry
20:37:33 <misc> afaik, it is rda for the moment, by interim
20:38:01 <ennael> yep
20:38:25 <ennael> we can post a summary about all teams on blog in coming days
20:38:33 <misc> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web
20:38:36 <ennael> next week  when all meetings are done
20:38:37 <misc> yup, good idea
20:39:02 <misc> and plan the next team to setup too
20:39:02 <ennael> #action plan a blog post about mageia teams next week
20:39:08 <ennael> yep
20:39:45 <wobo> we will need a "community leader team" to exchange ideas and plans :)
20:40:02 <wobo> also orgnaize worldwide actions
20:40:33 <wobo> (also to organize worldwide actions like installation day, etc.
20:41:06 <misc> yeah, i think wobo would be perfect for this
20:41:10 <wobo> But not today and not tomorrow
20:41:21 <ennael> :)
20:41:26 <ennael> ok can we close meeting ?
20:41:29 <misc> yup
20:41:37 <ennael> #endmeeting