19:06:49 <misc> #startmeeting 19:06:49 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Dec 6 19:06:49 2010 UTC. The chair is misc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:06:49 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:06:59 <misc> #meetingname Founder's meeting 19:06:59 <Inigo_Montoya> The meeting name has been set to 'founder's_meeting' 19:07:09 <misc> #chair ennael t_m_b 19:07:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael misc t_m_b 19:07:42 <misc> ok so since no extra topic have been sent, let's start with the review 19:07:53 <misc> #topic soft/ cleaning 19:07:55 <misc> boklm: ? 19:08:12 <boklm> ok 19:08:36 <boklm> so mandriva soft svn has been imported in a temporary repository 19:09:49 <boklm> and now we need to look at all software to check what needs to be done 19:10:09 <ennael> is there any formalized process about it 19:10:16 <ennael> I guess there were sole questions about it 19:10:39 <boklm> to make 3 groups: obsolete software that we don't import, software that need cleaning (proprietary icons, logos, etc ...), software that don't need cleaning 19:10:52 <boklm> ennael: not yet 19:11:45 <ennael> so it's planned ? :) 19:12:37 <boklm> I can look (unless someone else have ideas for a formalized process) 19:12:57 <misc> i guess that guidelines would be enough ? 19:13:11 <boklm> yes 19:13:39 <boklm> guidelines about what need to be check / cleaned ? 19:14:07 <misc> yup 19:14:22 <boklm> ok 19:14:23 <misc> because we do not seems to all agree on what should be done :) 19:15:38 <boklm> something else to say about soft/ cleaning ? 19:15:55 <ennael> well misc can you just be more precise ? :) 19:16:10 <rtp> misc: is there any hope to reach an agreement ? /o\ 19:16:56 <boklm> rtp: probably 19:17:35 <misc> ennael: from what I remind, we just didn't understand the same thing about the process 19:18:02 <ennael> can we just sum up for each side ? 19:18:14 * misc forgot 19:18:32 <ennael> great 19:18:57 <misc> but that's was not a disagreement more than people do not really knowing what to do exactly 19:19:05 <ennael> ok 19:19:14 <misc> like "writing in changelog was should be cleaned after having inspected the source" 19:19:26 <misc> or "should dbus interface be changed, etc" 19:19:59 <misc> or "what is exactly obsoletes for software than few people knew" ( fibric, aviator among others ) 19:21:43 * misc killed the conversation or the network connexion 19:22:02 <ennael> :) 19:22:08 <boklm> ok, so I will try to write some guidelines about this to discuss 19:22:25 <misc> #action boklm add guideline about svn cleaning 19:23:19 <ennael> did you start work on cleaning already ? 19:23:43 <boklm> dmorgan started I think 19:23:58 <ennael> ok 19:24:03 <ennael> who is planned to work on it ? 19:24:08 <misc> amhad too 19:24:31 <boklm> ahmad78, dmorgan, tv, me 19:24:39 <ennael> ok 19:24:43 <boklm> and other people if they are intersted 19:25:48 <ennael> ok 19:25:54 <wobo> May I jump in with a non-tech question from userland which came up last week? 19:25:54 <ennael> anything else on this ? 19:25:59 <ennael> :) 19:26:02 <dmorgan> boklm: yes i started 19:26:05 <boklm> blino also did some cleaning 19:26:05 <ennael> wobo: shoot 19:26:08 <wobo> does the selection during svn import put the promised "upgrade ability" from mandriva to mageia in jeopardy? Some users fear that this may happen. 19:26:20 <wobo> what do I tell them? 19:26:22 <dmorgan> dmorgan: but i don't know what to do about icons for now 19:26:26 <ennael> of course it does 19:26:32 <dmorgan> boklm: but i don't know what to do about icons for now 19:26:43 <ennael> I guess killed soft will concern only very old stuff 19:26:54 <ennael> that are not used anymore since years 19:26:59 <boklm> yes 19:27:10 <misc> or buggy :) 19:27:14 <wobo> If so, we should communicate it because it was promised in the FAQ (IIRC) 19:27:20 <ennael> sure no pb 19:27:22 <dmorgan> ahmad78: killed some like printerdrake, drakbt, ... 19:27:27 <dmorgan> ahmad78 killed some like printerdrake, drakbt, ... 19:28:12 <misc> i guess we can see after the cleaning how it will impact upgrade 19:28:22 <ennael> yep 19:28:26 <wobo> yes 19:28:30 <ennael> anything else on that topic ? 19:28:31 <dmorgan> boklm: for icons rda told to add some dummy icon, but someone need to do it :) 19:28:55 <ahmad78> dmorgan: well I think we should first finish moving from mdv-soft 19:29:14 <boklm> dmorgan: first we need a list of icons that need to be replaced 19:29:17 <ahmad78> then another pass on todo-cleaning, in that pass we remove the icons 19:29:40 <dmorgan> boklm: for the icon list rda did a script that told ALL about the icon name, the location , ... 19:29:55 <ahmad78> (fwiw, more stuff were killed, drakbackup, drakmsync and rfbdrake) 19:31:04 <ahmad78> hopefully the cleaning will be faster now that some rules have been laid out 19:31:29 <ennael> would be nice to publish these rules 19:31:38 <ahmad78> (I think rpm-* stuff should be cleaned by people familiar with rpm internals, so Nanar, blino, misc.. etc) 19:31:46 <boklm> ennael: yes, when they are done 19:31:47 <ennael> so that people can see what base we have for mageia and why 19:31:51 <ennael> yep ok 19:31:59 <ahmad78> ennael: they're published sort of, in the README file 19:32:10 <ennael> ok 19:32:14 <ennael> next topic ? 19:32:22 <dmorgan> hum so in 2 pass then, move in todo-cleaning, clean mdv , and then clean the icons ? 19:32:23 <boklm> ah, I didn't see rda added some rules\ 19:33:10 <ahmad78> dmorgan: in pass 2, stuff should already be in todo-cleaning, with a CLEANUP_PROGRESS.txt file stating what needs to be looked at 19:33:16 <rtp> dmorgan: while icons are important, it should not slow down too much our way to having a basic build chroot imho 19:34:19 <ahmad78> rtp: well, misc and rda had the idea of replacing all the icons with a big red square png 19:34:24 <ahmad78> just as a place holder 19:34:32 <dmorgan> rtp: i don't think build chroot use soft with icons 19:34:35 <dmorgan> i hope :) 19:34:52 <wobo> :) 19:35:22 <ennael> ok next topic then 19:35:55 <ennael> #topic ML migration 19:35:59 <ennael> misc: your turn 19:36:11 <misc> ennael: that's quite fast 19:36:23 <misc> I didn't have the time to do anything this week on the ml front 19:36:38 <ennael> ok so what do you plan for this week ? 19:36:56 <misc> do what I planned for last week :) 19:37:13 <ennael> ok need tests or help ? 19:37:56 <misc> well, I will ask for test once I have something to test 19:38:43 <ennael> ok 19:38:54 <ennael> #action misc postpones it for this week 19:39:35 <ennael> #topic forums setup 19:39:55 <ennael> so basically maat has now root pasword on server 19:40:06 <maat> yup 19:40:07 <ennael> but still server is shared with MLO team 19:40:20 <maat> (hi all) 19:40:23 <ennael> spaeking with misc we thought about using VM 19:40:42 <ennael> but enzolyte told me we could not have second IP address 19:41:24 <ennael> so we need to take decision about all this 19:41:32 <misc> we can try to work around thisusing a reverse proxy 19:41:34 <ennael> to avoid having forums ready on 2 or 3 years ;à 19:42:31 <misc> ie, having 2 vm, a reverse proxy on the host, and let people access to the vm using ssh + custom port + port forward from host 19:42:47 <maat> for seo optimization changing ip or url would be a bad thing 19:43:17 <maat> that also need to be thought of 19:43:44 <ennael> how can we go on that subject ? 19:44:00 <misc> maat: what has ip changing something to do with my proposal ? 19:44:02 <boklm> misc: setup apache on the real host to be a proxy for the apache inside the VM ? 19:44:10 <misc> boklm: yup 19:44:16 <boklm> I think that's a good idea 19:44:26 <maat> yup 19:44:42 <maat> misc well your proposal takes care of that point 19:44:43 <misc> apache, or varnish, or squid, after all 19:44:49 <boklm> ok 19:44:51 <maat> and that's a good thing 19:44:54 <misc> maat: for the moment, we have nothing to migrate :) 19:45:01 <ennael> ok can we write something about planning fot this ? 19:45:07 <maat> well yup also :-/ 19:45:31 * maat asks for misc gpg key 19:46:17 <misc> 0xFC9DEA42 19:46:46 <misc> but I will likely need to revoke it sooner or later, too weak for today standards 19:47:25 <ennael> maat: as a reminder wobo asked Mageia to host german forums 19:47:46 <maat> ennael: np i think 19:47:53 <maat> if we can host one 19:48:00 <maat> we can also host 2 or three 19:48:51 <ennael> #action boklm, misc and maat will work on setting up apache on the real host to be a proxy for the apache inside the VM 19:49:00 <ennael> antyhing else on that topic ? 19:49:54 <misc> I would like to remind that forum requires catdap to be basic user" proof :) 19:50:18 <ennael> so? 19:50:40 <misc> I think catdap should be our priority 19:51:05 <misc> or maybe just put a "beta" tag on it 19:51:41 <misc> but buchan will be busy for some days :/ 19:52:20 <ennael> who could help on this ? 19:52:51 <misc> people who know perl, better for people with catalyst skills 19:53:00 <misc> so jq, Nanar, i guess 19:53:11 <ennael> jq, Nanar : ping ? 19:53:11 <Nanar> yup, if I find time 19:53:23 <misc> ( i have also discussed with bmane who told to take alook and who did some remark ) 19:53:27 <maat> got to go 19:53:30 <maat> i'll backlog 19:53:35 <maat> cya 19:54:25 <Nanar> I can have a look to catdap this week 19:55:19 <ennael> #action will have a look on catdap to go forward this week 19:56:02 <misc> i guess that's all for forum setup ? 19:56:06 <ennael> a bit liked to next topic 19:56:07 <ennael> yep 19:56:14 <misc> epoll ? 19:56:23 <ennael> youri deployment, ssh/catdap integration 19:56:28 <ennael> we forgot epoll 19:56:48 <ennael> #undo 19:56:48 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x85b514c> 19:56:56 <misc> mhh ? 19:56:56 <ennael> #action Nanar will have a look on catdap to go forward this week 19:57:00 <ennael> thanks rtp 19:57:08 <rtp> :) 19:57:15 * ennael eating words like Nanar 19:57:34 <misc> ok so nothing on forum ? 19:57:40 <misc> +more 19:57:44 <ennael> nope 19:57:51 <misc> #topic epoll 19:57:52 <boklm> misc: you too ? 19:58:01 <Nanar> look like my decease is contagious 19:58:30 <misc> well, I do not know what was this point about, as epoll work fine ( I have comited various cosmetic fix this morning ) 19:58:41 <wobo> Tested epoll for logo voting, works nicely 19:58:46 <Nanar> thanks, thanks, dont aplause me, thanks 19:59:07 * boklm aplause Nanar 19:59:08 <misc> # action do not applause nanar 19:59:21 <ennael> I guess it was about using it for logo vote 19:59:47 <misc> so let's go on next topic ( logo ) 19:59:52 <ennael> yep 20:00:08 <ennael> #topic logo vote 20:00:16 <misc> so the vote was started 20:00:22 <misc> 8 peoples voted so far 20:00:38 <misc> and there is only 23h left for the others 20:01:03 <ennael> #info logo vote has started, still 8 people to vote 20:01:17 <boklm> 8 people who already voted, not to vote ? 20:01:30 <rtp> 8 people who have already voted 20:01:52 <ennael> argh 20:01:57 <ennael> how many remaining ? 20:02:02 <misc> 9 20:02:02 <ennael> #undo 20:02:02 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x8602c0c> 20:02:03 <wobo> :) 20:02:11 <ennael> #info logo vote has started, still 9 people to vote 20:02:32 <ennael> ok then we will see when vote is closed 20:02:33 <misc> ok so next topic ? 20:02:51 <ennael> #topic wiki page for meetings, coming topics + post on ML 20:03:06 <ennael> my bad, I did not post about tonight's meeting 20:03:11 <ennael> will do it from next one 20:03:23 <misc> no problem :) 20:03:32 <misc> we could write some script later to post 20:03:41 <ennael> why no 20:03:41 <ennael> t 20:03:59 <ennael> #topic youri deployment, ssh/catdap integration 20:04:15 <ennael> boklm, misc ? 20:04:41 <boklm> on BS, blino made package submit with repsys working 20:05:24 <boklm> next work is youri-submit I think 20:05:42 <misc> yup 20:05:54 <boklm> and for ssh/catdap integration, I don't know if something was done 20:06:04 <misc> nothing was done 20:06:24 <misc> it work, it is just non obvious, so the interface should be enhanced 20:06:39 <ennael> #info blino made package submit with repsys working 20:06:45 <ennael> so it's usable as it 20:06:49 <ennael> just need improvment ? 20:06:57 <ennael> "just" 20:07:02 <boklm> is the script to extract ssh keys from ldap installed ? 20:07:19 <misc> not yet, as it will break our own keys 20:07:30 <misc> but it was tested, and it is ready 20:07:32 <boklm> ok 20:08:09 <ennael> any time to deploy it ? 20:08:36 <misc> well, for the moment, I think that using password is fine 20:08:50 <misc> annoying, but it doesn't prevent people from working 20:08:55 <ennael> ok 20:09:21 <ennael> #info the script to extract ssh keys from ldap has been tested and is ready to be used 20:10:47 <ennael> anything to add ? 20:10:50 <misc> nope 20:11:07 <ennael> wobo: want to speak about translation team ? 20:11:27 <wobo> ok 20:11:36 <ennael> #topic translation team 20:11:41 <ennael> your turn 20:12:14 <wobo> First layout of the concept for i18n team building has been sent to the mailing list and copied to the wiki 20:12:30 <misc> url ? 20:13:01 <wobo> First meeting will be coming thursday, 2 meetings with identical topics, morning at 09:00 GMT+1 and 1900 GMT+1 20:13:11 <ennael> #info first setup for i18n team available on wiki 20:13:22 <boklm> 2 meetings with identical topics ? 20:13:23 <misc> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=team-build-i18n 20:13:33 <ennael> #info first meeting is planned on thursday 20:13:38 <ennael> #url http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=team-build-i18n 20:14:13 <wobo> 2 meetings because people are scattered all over the world. I am retired so I can do both. This is only for the first meeting 20:14:23 <boklm> ok 20:14:29 <wobo> language teams started to build 20:14:51 <wobo> German will have first meeting Wednesday 20:15:17 <wobo> Others ar ealready in place (like French, Spanish, etc.) 20:15:33 <wobo> I will send a reminder on Wednesday with the topic list 20:15:54 <wobo> This is only about program translation. 20:16:09 <wobo> will start doc translating teams together with doc teams 20:16:27 <wobo> although I gave a hint to look at Calenco 20:16:48 <wobo> For program translators I told them about transifex 20:16:55 <wobo> All for now 20:17:08 <ennael> ok 20:17:15 <ennael> great job :) 20:17:32 <ennael> ahmad78: want to speak about triage team ? 20:17:33 <wobo> # action don't applaud wobo 20:17:42 <ennael> :) 20:18:14 <ahmad78> ennael: most basic wiki pages haven been imported 20:18:20 <ennael> wait 20:18:26 <ennael> #topic triage team 20:18:36 <ennael> #info most basic wiki pages haven been imported 20:18:39 <ennael> ok 20:19:27 <ahmad78> still being refined, hopefully we'll be able to publish them by the end of this week (the problem is that it's much easier to read and apply what you read at once, we still have no bugzilla) 20:20:18 <misc> on the other hand, we do not have bugs yet /o\ 20:20:21 <ennael> #action pages will be published by the end of this week 20:20:41 <ahmad78> misc: don't be sad, we will :/ 20:20:47 <ahmad78> :) 20:21:08 <ennael> anything else ? 20:21:19 <wobo> sometimes people can be bugs as well.... (nobody present!) 20:21:24 <ennael> woot 20:21:58 <ahmad78> yep, hopefully Thierry will scare them off (kidding 20:22:01 <ahmad78> ) 20:22:06 <ennael> ok 20:22:14 <ennael> #topic packagers team 20:22:28 <ennael> we had a meeting next week about various subject to start with 20:22:39 <ennael> #url http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2010/mageia-meeting.2010-12-01-19.37.html 20:23:04 <misc> we know that time is relative, and do not exist, but the meeting was in the previous week, or it will happen next week ? 20:23:08 <ennael> I'm working on it since today and I'd like to have very first meeting in the beginning of next week 20:23:31 <ennael> misc: weeting was the one we had together last wednesday 20:23:55 <ennael> meeting 20:24:30 <misc> ok :) 20:24:32 <ennael> #info first packagers meeting should take place next week 20:24:51 <ennael> (guess what I'm drinking water only) 20:25:07 <dmorgan> ennael: you're ill ? 20:25:08 <ennael> any other topic to add ? 20:25:20 <misc> nope 20:25:36 <misc> ( for the first time, we will finish before the delay ) 20:25:44 <ennael> ok :) 20:25:49 <ennael> #endmeeting