19:19:12 <misc> #startmeeting 19:19:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Nov 22 19:19:12 2010 UTC. The chair is misc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:19:12 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:19:21 <misc> #chair boklm ennael 19:19:21 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: boklm ennael misc 19:19:31 <misc> #meetingname Founder's meeting 19:19:31 <Inigo_Montoya> The meeting name has been set to 'founder's_meeting' 19:20:39 <misc> so, let's staart by the first topic, or people think we should wait and do the end ( ie, the various summary of the BS, svn etc ) ? 19:21:39 <misc> ok so let's speak of BS 19:21:53 <misc> #topic Buildsystem deployement 19:21:56 <misc> boklm: ? 19:22:55 <boklm> ok 19:23:14 <boklm> so since last week, we have worked on SVN setup and sympa mailing lists 19:23:27 <misc> just BS for now 19:23:33 <boklm> ok 19:23:34 <misc> svn and sympa are 2 others points :) 19:23:45 <maat|alt> (hi) 19:23:50 <misc> hi maat|alt 19:23:57 <boklm> for the BS, blino has been working on iurt setup 19:24:24 <boklm> setting up accounts for iurt, and ssh keys deployed by puppet 19:24:40 <misc> #info blino worked on iurt setup 19:25:24 <boklm> misc: do you have something else to say about BS ? 19:25:44 <misc> boklm: nope, but I think it would be good to know what are the next task :) 19:26:05 <rtp> misc: task or taskS ? :) 19:26:15 <misc> rtp: tasks 19:27:05 <boklm> next tasks, after SVN is ready, will be the scheduler part 19:27:40 <ennael> any ETA for it ? 19:27:45 <misc> #info next task is the scheduler 19:28:19 * misc no longer give ETA after being wrong for the last 2 time about it 19:28:30 <boklm> hmmm 19:28:57 <boklm> if we're lucky, two weeks, but probably more 19:29:10 <ennael> outch ok 19:29:59 <rtp> boklm: too many things to adapt/fix ? 19:30:29 <boklm> rtp: to understand how it works, to clean/fix, and setup in puppet 19:31:05 <ennael> anyway there is work to do in between in svn that can be done by different people 19:31:30 <rtp> ok 19:31:37 <misc> that's our goal, to make svn ldap enabled, and that's the next point, so unless we have something to add on the bs, i can speak of it 19:32:02 <boklm> I forgot an other (small) task, which is to provide updated repsys packages in a repository 19:32:14 <misc> yeah, and others various packages 19:32:16 <boklm> yes 19:32:27 <boklm> prepare a repository with updated packages for mageia 19:32:42 <misc> and blino also started to create a cooldron media ( but he is not here to speak of it :/ ) 19:32:54 <ennael> can you explain a bit more? 19:33:23 <boklm> this repository will be updates for 2010.1 (as that's what we use on the servers) 19:33:51 * misc wait until boklm finish his part 19:34:05 <boklm> for the cauldron media, I don't know what blino did yet, but we probably need to speak about the layout 19:34:19 <boklm> misc: I finished 19:34:43 <misc> from what i understood, it just a media to hold adapted mandriva package that will not be mirrored, I must confess this made more sense yesterday :/ 19:35:00 <boklm> ok 19:35:05 <misc> #action blino post on ml about what he did 19:35:16 <ennael> can we plan this discussion about layout ? 19:35:25 <ennael> this can be done in 2 coming weeks 19:35:28 <boklm> yes 19:35:37 <boklm> maybe on -dev mailing list ? 19:35:40 <ennael> yep 19:35:42 <misc> mhh this is just a scratch repository, not mean to survive the bootstrap 19:35:58 <ennael> and what about the final layout ? 19:36:21 <misc> that's a different matter, but I tought this was already discussed with Nanar 2 months ago ? 19:36:32 <ennael> don't remember in fact 19:36:55 <boklm> there was some discussions, but I don't remember if there was any decision taken 19:37:16 <misc> ok so who take care of this ? 19:37:17 <ennael> can we check this also ? 19:37:59 <misc> tmb: since you are the last one to come, can you take care of this ? 19:38:05 <ennael> :) 19:38:32 <misc> ie, start a discussion about layout of the mirror, and summarize it ( and possibliy, provides a decision if consensus was acheived ) 19:39:19 <ennael> looks like tmb is trying to escape :) 19:39:49 <misc> well, ok so I will take care of this 19:40:00 <tmb> nope ... just catching up... 19:40:12 <tmb> I can take care of it 19:40:24 * misc hold his fingers on Enter 19:41:00 <tmb> ? 19:41:35 <misc> well, could/would you take the task ? 19:41:50 <misc> ( if you do not want, no problem, I will find another annoying task :p ) 19:42:27 <tmb> [21:40] <tmb> I can take care of it 19:42:40 <misc> oups 19:42:49 <misc> didn't read, sorry :) 19:43:16 <misc> #action tmb gather feedback on mirror and repository layout for 6 dec 19:43:30 <misc> ok so we can go on next topic, nothing more on BS ? 19:43:38 <boklm> ok 19:44:23 <misc> #topic svn deployment 19:44:48 <misc> ok so svn import is waiting on svn deployement 19:45:07 <misc> svn deployement requires pam_ldap integration which is almost working 19:45:28 <misc> almost because everything is good on my vm except openssh do not take password in account 19:46:10 <misc> we worked with boklm to have the limited shell used by savanah, used at mandriva, we imported it in puppet, pam and ldap config file are working 19:46:41 <misc> and the group were created. there is also svn repository templates, that can be used to deploy svn repository "en masse" 19:47:00 <misc> so the only thing is ( unless something else occurs ) the openssh problem 19:47:20 <boklm> however, it is working with ssh keys ? 19:47:22 <misc> as I do not know if catdap already support ssh keys ( maybe it does ), we need to use password 19:47:25 <misc> boklm: yup 19:48:29 <misc> #info svn/ldap integration almost complete, except it only work for ssh keys 19:48:40 <misc> #info catdap do not support setting ssh keys yet 19:48:42 <boklm> maybe we can set the ssh keys manually in ldap for now, until catdap supports it 19:48:55 <misc> we could 19:49:32 <ennael> is blingme aware of this ? 19:49:55 <misc> he went in meeting before i could discuss of this, and I am trying to solve the issue since this afternoon 19:50:12 <misc> ( to give a idea, I am right now patching pam_ldap to find the problem ) 19:50:19 <ennael> maybe we could ping him to check this 19:50:25 <misc> yup, that's the plan 19:50:28 <ennael> ok 19:50:36 <misc> #action misc take care of the openssh issue with blingme 19:50:41 <boklm> other than that, is catdap ready for use ? 19:51:22 <misc> oliver from webteam is taking care of the css , for the rest, we need to see with blingme 19:51:46 <misc> some feature are missing ( password, ssh keys, ldap amin among the few I remember right now ) 19:52:19 <misc> #action misc boklm do a test of adding a ssh key by hand in ldap and see if it work 19:53:11 <misc> I do think catdap could be ready for a wide scale test, saying to people that this is not finished :) 19:53:32 <misc> ( maybe we could add a shiny 2.0 "beta" logo ) 19:53:34 <boklm> yes, it does not need to be perfect 19:54:29 <misc> so I propose to see with webteam and blingme about testing and readyness ? 19:54:34 <misc> who mail them about it ? 19:55:32 <boklm> I can do it (unless you want to do it) 19:55:49 <misc> nope :) 19:56:28 <misc> #action boklm ask to webteam for catdap testing and readyness with blingme 19:56:53 <misc> ok I have nothing more to add to svn, except that I will send a email on I turn the ldap on ( like 2 minutes before doing it :p ) 19:57:08 <misc> ( seriously, I will warn before doing it and monitor ) 19:57:18 <boklm> do we discuss about SVN import today ? 19:58:01 <misc> well, i think we can postpone to a later time, until svn is ready 19:58:19 <misc> ( i would also discuss this outside of meeting, especially for a long topic ) 19:58:29 <ennael> maybe call for volunteers to work on this before 19:58:46 <boklm> we will have to decide who should be allowed to have an account 19:59:10 <misc> indeed 19:59:45 <misc> well, that requires team to be setup, and that would be a perfect transtion to next topic 19:59:52 <boklm> yes :) 19:59:57 <ennael> one point 20:00:23 <ennael> as we do usually a summary on blog we should announce also first test iso will be postponed to january 20:00:52 <ennael> ok for that ? 20:00:56 <misc> yup 20:01:01 <boklm> yes 20:01:58 <misc> ok so next topic, team deployement, or sympa setup ? 20:02:06 <ennael> sympa ? 20:02:19 <misc> ok, et's go to sympa, you were the fastest 20:02:21 <boklm> maybe we can also plan a blog post to explain what needs to be done for cleaning and call for volonteers ? 20:02:37 <misc> who would do that ? 20:02:47 <coincoin> hello all, sorry for being so late, I had a big thing to do before 20:02:51 <ennael> I can do it 20:03:30 <rtp> blog + ml post. not blog only imho 20:03:43 <boklm> yes 20:03:44 <misc> coincoin: no problem, we have adopted a new policy, last one to enter will receive the next task 20:04:12 <misc> #action ennael write a mail and a blog post to explain what is needed for cleaning before svn import 20:04:17 <coincoin> misc: oops, why did I connect?! :) 20:04:57 <misc> coincoin: because of the 2nd new policy, those who are not there receive all others task :) 20:05:01 <misc> ok so sympa 20:05:08 <misc> #topic sympa deployement 20:05:12 <coincoin> :) 20:05:43 <misc> so on sympa side, I think postfix deployement is ready, just untested 20:06:08 <misc> I have added postgrey, I will (unless someone else do it) take care of spamassassin as soon as the pam_ldap stuff is done 20:06:34 <misc> the domain will be ml.mageia.org, 20:06:45 <misc> nd I think boklm can tell the rest, or dmorgan 20:07:07 * boklm is trying to setup some VMs on jonund to start testing 20:07:58 <misc> #info sympa need spamassassin setup and testing 20:09:15 <misc> boklm: about the authentication, what was decided ? 20:10:07 <boklm> we'll use LDAP to authenticate users 20:10:28 <misc> so people need a account on identity to subscribe to our lists ? 20:10:41 <misc> ( as it seems rda was not really happy with this ) 20:10:45 <boklm> ah ? 20:10:57 <dmorgan> boklm: we need to test but auth.conf should be fine on puppet svn 20:11:13 <misc> boklm: from what I remind, yes 20:11:16 <boklm> misc: do you remember why ? 20:11:45 <misc> boklm: nope 20:11:50 <boklm> I think he was not happy about using ldap groups to manage mailing lists, because anybody should be allowed join mailing list without being in the team 20:11:58 <misc> yeah 20:12:08 <misc> but so people will provides what, their email, their login ? 20:12:45 <boklm> but maybe we can have team mailing list (or alias) only for team members, and public team mailing lists open for all 20:13:19 <boklm> misc: on the sympa interface, they provide their email and password 20:13:32 <boklm> email and password from ldap 20:14:10 <ennael> you can mix ldap groups and individual subscription 20:14:49 <boklm> ok 20:14:52 <misc> boklm: wouldn't it cause trouble when we start to use @mageia.org address ? 20:15:14 <misc> ( ie, people will use their real email to log on sympa, and their login on the other web application ) 20:15:30 <misc> ( and so how would sympa know someone can use @mageia.org to post on a mal ? ) 20:15:36 <boklm> hmm, I don't know 20:15:55 <boklm> maybe dmorgan knows more about authentication part 20:16:11 * boklm didn't look at auth.conf 20:16:46 <dmorgan> boklm: http://amadigi.net/sympa/node8.html 20:17:31 <misc> ok so let's postpone the discussion on sysadm once we know exactly what we want 20:17:52 <boklm> I see this in auth.conf: 20:17:54 <boklm> get_dn_by_email (|(mail=[sender])(mailalternateaddress=[sender])) 20:17:59 <misc> but I would be in favor of using 1) email for external people 2) uid for people with a account 20:18:19 <boklm> I think you should be able to use login@mageia.org as an email address 20:18:31 <misc> boklm: then the question is "who will get alias" 20:18:36 <boklm> ah, yes 20:19:34 <Nanar> 20:19:41 <boklm> ok, we can postpone this on sysadm when we know more about this 20:19:46 <misc> can someone take care of writing a proposal, let's say, for 24/11 to present what we want exactly ? 20:19:56 <misc> ( i can do it if no one volunteer ) 20:20:38 <misc> oki doki 20:21:19 <misc> #action misc do proposal for ldap/sympa integration after seeing with rda ( who had reserve ) , dmorgan ( who set it up ) and ennael ( who know sympa ) 20:21:29 <misc> anything else to say on sympa deployement ? 20:21:33 * ennael runs 20:21:50 <boklm> I think all users will have a mail: field in ldap, and users with a @mageia.org alias will also have an alternate_email: field 20:22:28 <misc> boklm: we will discuss later of the proposals , but I note it to take this in account 20:23:02 <boklm> ok 20:23:14 <misc> ok so next one 20:23:20 <misc> #topic forum deployement 20:23:27 * misc summons maat|alt 20:23:37 <misc> ( or ash ) 20:24:26 <ennael> looks like maat|alt left 20:24:40 <ennael> anyway I can sum up here 20:24:53 <ennael> forums will be hosted on MLO server 20:25:13 <ennael> A new one was installed and now maat|alt is re installing forums on it 20:25:35 <ennael> it's all ready in a temporary svn so this should be done by the middle of this week 20:25:43 <misc> who manage the server ? 20:25:58 <ennael> maat|alt is one of them 20:26:12 <misc> so the forum is not handled by sysadm ? 20:26:30 <maat|alt> yup 20:26:51 <maat|alt> i'm there 20:27:24 <maat|alt> well at the moment i'm not root on the server 20:27:47 <maat|alt> xkomodor from nfrance did set up the server 20:28:05 <maat|alt> and gave us a ssh account 20:28:12 <maat|alt> plus a mysql database 20:28:37 <maat|alt> i pushed the forum code there 20:28:43 * ahmad78 gotta go, will read the log 20:29:19 <maat|alt> i asked xkomodor to tweak things 20:29:53 <maat|alt> the forum is likely to be ready by the beginning of next week 20:30:15 <maat|alt> the mailing list is okay 20:30:19 <misc> and so the url will be ? 20:30:25 <ennael> mailing list ? 20:30:25 <boklm> mailing list ? 20:30:34 <misc> ennael: he asked us for a ml 20:30:40 <misc> ( us == zarb.org ) 20:30:42 <ennael> ok :) 20:30:49 <maat|alt> ennael: you know about this list :) 20:31:04 <ennael> I just had some doubts where it was hosted 20:31:25 <Nanar> this list must be moved when we'll change MX record 20:31:27 <maat|alt> boklm : a list for moderators so that members alerts are seen by all moderators in near real time 20:31:29 <Nanar> ? 20:31:38 <misc> Nanar: yes, like the 7 others 20:31:40 <maat|alt> Nanar: indeed 20:31:53 <Nanar> just to be sure 20:32:13 <misc> ok 12 listes 20:32:14 <boklm> so what will be the address for the forum ? 20:32:15 <misc> [root@ryu ~]# list_lists | grep -i mage | wc -l 20:32:15 <misc> 12 20:32:22 <boklm> forum.mageia.org ? 20:32:24 <maat|alt> the url will be forum.mageia.org or forums.mageia.org as you prefer 20:32:47 * misc wish to emit some reserv on using mageia.org for a server were no one from the sysadm team is root 20:33:05 <misc> ( but I emit them just for the record ) 20:33:09 * Nanar have same reserv 20:33:13 <maat|alt> misc: +1 (also for the record) 20:33:22 <ennael> well 20:33:38 <ennael> if so why not moving now ? 20:34:09 <ennael> it's a bit strong but will avoid to do it later 20:34:15 <boklm> moving ? 20:34:16 <maat|alt> move ? 20:34:17 <misc> I have some other political remarks about the fact they may be seen as more official as others setup by other communities ( like mdv.de ) :/ 20:34:39 <Nanar> ennael: move what from where to where ? 20:34:44 <ennael> they are mageia official forums 20:34:52 <ennael> to one of our server 20:34:52 <maat|alt> yup 20:35:08 <dmorgan> ennael: sound safer to host them on mageia servers 20:35:18 <boklm> if ldap passwords are going to be sent to those servers, it's better if it's one of our servers 20:35:34 <maat|alt> the server is provided by nfrance and is supposed to be shared by mageia official forums and mlo websites 20:35:37 <ennael> then which server can host it ? 20:35:41 <misc> maat|alt: can you write us a list of requirements like the capacity requested ? 20:35:56 <coincoin> ennael: for the moment, alamut if you change HDD for SAS HDD 20:36:01 <coincoin> s/you/we/ 20:36:08 * misc fear that alamut will already suffer 20:36:23 <coincoin> or Gandi with more parts 20:36:33 <coincoin> misc: +1 20:36:47 <misc> ( especially since bugzilla is using cgi ) 20:36:57 <coincoin> misc: for alamut the change of HDD is already planned for when we will be rich :) 20:37:10 <maat|alt> well the server provided offers 900 Go Disk space for us (with raid) and 12Go ram powered by 2 quad cores i think 20:37:17 <ennael> coincoin: no need to wait 20:37:30 <boklm> maybe we can start with alamut to see how it works ? 20:37:31 <maat|alt> but we don't need so much for a forum 20:37:43 <coincoin> ennael: 300� each HDD... (4 HDD) :)/ 20:37:52 <ennael> well we have funds 20:38:05 <coincoin> I think that alamut can work with the configuration for now 20:38:08 <ennael> would be a waste of time to do it while server is really in production 20:38:17 <coincoin> I think like boklm that we need to test first 20:38:28 <misc> ennael: we have someone ready to go to marseille ? 20:38:31 <coincoin> but I also think like misc that alamut can suffer 20:38:37 <ennael> misc: we can send it to maat|alt 20:38:56 <coincoin> ennael: we can change HDD while server is inproduction thank to RAID 10, no soucy 20:38:58 <ennael> as he proposed to help on this 20:39:10 <maat|alt> yup 20:39:25 <ennael> yes but suffering of load during production would be a shame 20:39:30 <ennael> as we know it now 20:39:40 <ennael> or look for another gandi VM 20:39:42 <Nanar> while talking about hardware, I have two raid array of 12 SATA disk (RAID 0/1/5) to give 20:39:44 <maat|alt> though i'm afraid this help will cost you a beer ennael ^^ 20:39:48 <ennael> do we use all VMs at the moment ? 20:39:54 <ennael> maat|alt: no pb :) 20:40:00 <misc> ennael: yes 20:40:14 <misc> ennael: well, the first one is here to be a secondary ldap/dns/mx 20:40:23 <coincoin> yes and is short for our usage, we will buy 3 more parts soon 20:40:55 <maat|alt> for a rather big forum we'll need less than 50 Go disk 20:40:59 <coincoin> ennael: alamut is not a small server... it can stand load (12Go RAM, RAID 10, 4 core) 20:41:19 <misc> well, before speaking of load, can we at least have a estimation of the required load ? 20:41:22 <maat|alt> but RAM is important for sql requests and cache 20:41:36 <ennael> maat|alt: any idea on misc question ? 20:41:38 <misc> ie, howmany users per month, how much memory , etc ? 20:41:39 <maat|alt> so 4 is a minimum 20:41:45 <maat|alt> 4 Go 20:41:58 <maat|alt> 6 or 8 would be ideal 20:42:12 <misc> maat|alt: that's not exactly the questions I have asked :) 20:42:13 <Nanar> 8 GB ? 20:42:37 <maat|alt> 8 would be really comfortable 20:42:44 <coincoin> we have 12GB 20:42:48 <maat|alt> perhaps not necessary 20:42:59 <maat|alt> probably not 20:43:08 <coincoin> we can update it to 16GB easily 20:43:11 <Nanar> 8 has been for long time the memory size of distrib-coffee (including sophie's db) 20:43:32 <misc> ok so let me reask again "how many visitors are planned for each month" 20:43:45 <misc> without this, all number will just be pure speculation 20:43:56 <maat|alt> the load you can expect misc with a mean load for a forum is 500 to 800 simultaneous members on forum 20:44:16 <maat|alt> resulting in 800 to 1200 sql request per sec 20:44:17 <ennael> mandriva current forum 20:44:42 <maat|alt> mandriva current is far under this 20:44:57 <ennael> was it 2 years ago 20:45:00 <maat|alt> if i'm not mistaken 20:45:04 <ennael> 800 20:45:10 <ennael> not more 20:45:43 <misc> there is 16 forums on forums.mdv 20:45:55 <misc> with 295 users at this moment 20:46:13 <ennael> yep since about 8 or 9 months 20:46:34 <misc> and so we plan to have as much visitors as mandriva for the first months ? 20:46:44 <maat|alt> nope 20:46:55 <misc> more ? 20:47:20 <maat|alt> but i'd rather avoid to migrate in 12 or 18 monthes :) 20:47:37 <maat|alt> as much as current mandriva : yup 20:47:47 <maat|alt> as much as mandriva's maximum nope 20:48:02 <misc> at this moment, there is 10 people on mlo forum 20:48:18 <maat|alt> that will need a year or 2 of good work to attract many people 20:48:45 <maat|alt> but we also need to anticipate a potentiel geoportail syndrom 20:48:47 <ennael> I would not say MLO forums are representative 20:49:03 <maat|alt> announces of forum opening 20:49:10 <maat|alt> and more announce of first iso 20:49:39 <maat|alt> will be phases of big load and numerous inscriptions 20:49:55 <misc> ennael: well, u-fr is 860 currently, and that's one of the biggest community forum 20:49:55 <coincoin> you know, alamut is a server compared to MDV HW for the forum server 20:50:25 <maat|alt> we need to sustain post iso announce load if we want to attract people and keep them :) 20:51:08 <ennael> misc: well you have some external forums that have quite a lof of subscribers also 20:51:09 <boklm> maybe we can start with alamut, and add more RAM if needed ? 20:51:16 <ennael> I guess so 20:51:27 <misc> ennael: yup, but I will not compare orange and apple ( without bad pun ) 20:51:42 <maat|alt> that's not a problem for me 20:51:43 <misc> anyway, so we plan to host all forums for all languages on alamut ? 20:51:49 <ennael> nope 20:51:59 <maat|alt> and that will make things cleaner 20:52:10 <ennael> only fr and en and languages for cointries that cannot have their own one 20:52:19 <maat|alt> but i guess mlo people and nfrance guys won't be happy :-/ 20:52:27 <misc> ennael: wouldn't that make en and fr more official than others ? 20:52:48 <ennael> as explained some time ago 20:52:59 <ennael> these forums are kind of portal 20:53:21 <ennael> to get information, where mageia team posts... 20:53:37 <ennael> we cannot insure that we will post on all forums on earth 20:54:00 <ennael> this was working like this in mdv and looks like people were happy with this 20:54:04 <coincoin> God can 20:54:06 <maat|alt> misc: for me official forum = two things 20:54:25 <ennael> misc: so you will do it :) 20:54:26 <maat|alt> 1) url ending with .mageia.org 20:55:03 <misc> in fact, i have a bold proposal, let's delegate mageia.fr for the forum hosted for french at nfrance 20:55:03 <maat|alt> 2) Available people of board/founders/whatever able to give answers in the lang 20:55:45 <ennael> misc: so "pofficial" one will be only english one 20:55:46 <ennael> ? 20:56:00 <misc> ennael: i didn't think about the english one 20:56:36 * ennael does not understand misc 20:56:41 <misc> but let's summarize 20:57:27 <misc> some people ( me, nanar, maat ) think using .mageia.org without having anyone from sysadm being root is a bad idea 20:57:55 <misc> ennael proposed to move this to alamut, but this poor alamut will likely suffer 20:58:36 <misc> more ever, this will not be nice toward nfrance people, and I think that would be a shame to waste their offer 20:58:47 <maat|alt> yup 20:58:58 <maat|alt> but we can also ask for root access :) 20:58:59 <tmb> why not ask for root 20:59:17 <misc> well, i just assumed this was already asked 20:59:35 <maat|alt> nope 20:59:44 <misc> ok so we can 1) add root access 20:59:50 <misc> 2) use another domain name 21:00:01 <misc> 3) say to misc/nanar/maat to stfu 21:00:05 <maat|alt> but if i ask i think that will not be a big deal to have it 21:00:26 <ennael> I would say either we have it or we move to mageia server 21:00:28 <maat|alt> \o/ 3) 21:00:29 <ennael> much easier 21:00:34 <coincoin> :) 21:00:54 <coincoin> "we want it or we send coincoin!" 21:01:10 <misc> ok so who take care of the discussion with them ? 21:01:17 <ennael> maat|alt ? 21:01:24 <misc> ok 21:01:24 <maat|alt> then tomorrow i send a mail to xkomodor with the threat of sending him coincoin 21:01:30 <coincoin> :) 21:01:31 <ennael> nice 21:01:44 <misc> #action maat|alt will take care of the forum issue of asking for root access on it 21:02:12 <misc> I will be availiable if xkomodor requires anything technical 21:02:21 <maat|alt> ok 21:02:30 <boklm> by the way, which OS did they install on the server ? 21:02:47 <maat|alt> suse 21:03:21 <coincoin> arf 21:03:22 <misc> ok 21:03:30 <misc> so can we move on the next topic ? 21:03:36 <dmorgan> would be nice to have mageia forum hosted later in a mageia distro server :þ instead of a suse one :) 21:03:40 <maat|alt> ok for me 21:03:47 <maat|alt> yep 21:03:57 <maat|alt> i already said that to mlo people :) 21:04:09 <misc> we are real warrior, we can do it 21:04:15 <misc> anyway, so next topic 21:04:47 <misc> #topic team creation 21:05:02 <maat|alt> (misc as mageia will be rock solid that will not be a problem to host a big forum on it ^^) 21:05:05 <misc> ( and I will postpone the meeting part ofr next time, as I do plan to go eat ) 21:05:19 <misc> so ennael , since rda is not there :) 21:05:39 <ennael> yep 21:05:55 <ennael> will not be long 21:06:42 <ennael> so about Mageia teams, as we have still 2 or 3 weeks to wait for bs, we will take time to organize teams and make them ready to work 21:06:58 <ennael> rda started with webteam and artwork teams 21:07:05 <ennael> it means: 21:07:14 <ennael> contact people who registered on wiki 21:07:33 <ennael> setup first meeting and plan weekly or monthly one 21:07:45 <ennael> setup wiki page to describe internal organization 21:08:08 <ennael> setup processes like how we do welcome new comers and motivate contribution... 21:08:25 <ennael> it should include also elect representatives 21:08:43 <ennael> so ahmad is working on this for triage team 21:08:51 <ennael> damsweb will handle QA team 21:08:57 <misc> ( which then requires that epoll work, which mean to do a test run ) 21:09:04 <ennael> I asked wobo about i18n and doc 21:09:09 <maat|alt> (ash and i are doing it for moderation team) 21:09:12 <misc> #info we need to setup team 21:09:12 <coincoin> FYI damsweb == coincoin 21:09:14 <ennael> he is looking for guys for it 21:09:31 <ennael> and I proposed to launch work for packagers 21:09:39 <misc> #info ahmad is doing triage, dams is doing qa, wobo for i18n and doc 21:09:39 <ennael> wich my task for this week 21:09:41 <coincoin> I already started the work on my side and I plan the first mail on Wednesday 21:09:49 <misc> #info ennael take care of packagers 21:09:52 <ennael> still missing: developpers 21:10:15 <Nanar> to work on what ? 21:10:15 <misc> argh 21:10:23 <misc> ennael: i was about to say it :( 21:10:34 <maat|alt> ennael: we didn't plan to have something like "teachers team" ? 21:10:39 <ennael> we need a victim^w^wvolunteer 21:10:45 <ennael> maat|alt: ? 21:10:49 <misc> ennael: i can do it for developpers 21:10:53 <maat|alt> people able and willing to help people learn 21:10:56 <ennael> maat|alt: this will be included in all teams 21:11:07 <maat|alt> ha 21:11:11 <maat|alt> ok then :) 21:11:14 <ennael> you cannot teach if you don't know subject :) 21:11:20 <misc> of course you can 21:11:24 <ennael> but indeed it will have to be formal 21:11:28 <misc> you will see when your son will go in school 21:11:29 * boklm will teach marketing team 21:11:31 <ennael> :) 21:11:37 <ennael> boklm: you said it :) 21:11:41 <boklm> :) 21:11:43 * Nanar will teach web team 21:11:44 <dmorgan> boklm: :) 21:11:55 * maat|alt will teach people trolling 21:11:58 * dmorgan will teach beer team 21:12:00 <ennael> misc: what about asking Anssi fot it ? 21:12:09 <misc> ennael: for your son ? 21:12:09 <ennael> misc: as you are already on lots of tasks 21:12:16 <ennael> misc: why not :) 21:12:32 <misc> ennael: well, i am ok for anssi, but you need to ask him 21:12:34 <rtp> maat|alt: no need to look for someone to do that. trolling s included in people's dna :) 21:12:36 <misc> ennael: and for com team ? 21:12:52 <ennael> you are right 21:12:53 <maat|alt> rtp: true you are :) 21:12:57 <misc> ( or i missed it in the summary ? ) 21:13:39 <ennael> nope 21:13:45 <ennael> missing also 21:13:55 <misc> ( and also ml moderator too, but since that's a team of 1 person at the moment ) 21:14:12 <coincoin> for com team,perhaps we can ask caro 21:14:23 <Nanar> caro ? 21:15:27 <dmorgan> Nanar: une amie 21:15:32 <dmorgan> une superbe fille 21:15:42 * dmorgan is lost :) 21:16:06 <misc> ok so who take care of com team ? 21:16:16 <Nanar> this help to know who she is, but well 21:16:16 <ennael> we can ask caroline 21:16:19 <coincoin> Nanar: caroline garlatti 21:16:25 <dmorgan> ennael: sound a good idea 21:16:27 <ennael> but nothing sure about this 21:16:38 <misc> #action coincoin ask to caroline if she is ok about this 21:16:48 <coincoin> yep not sure as she will soon have a new job 21:16:57 <coincoin> ennael: I can ask her if you want 21:17:09 <ennael> see misc action :) 21:17:10 <misc> well, a fallback on someone else ? 21:17:35 <misc> let's say rtp 21:17:41 <coincoin> yep :p 21:17:43 <ennael> :)) 21:17:45 <coincoin> I'm drunk ^^ 21:17:45 <rtp> no way ! 21:17:52 <ennael> he is already on forums 21:18:05 <misc> indeed 21:18:16 <misc> coincoin: can you do it ? 21:18:37 <coincoin> yep, sure 21:19:30 <misc> #action if caro do not have time, coincoin will do it 21:19:54 <misc> and I assume that we will need to do it too for sysadm ? 21:20:42 <ennael> I guess sysadm is already started 21:20:49 <coincoin> I hope :) 21:20:58 <misc> yeah, but we still need to have some structure, etc 21:21:07 <misc> so of course, there is less work 21:21:19 <misc> we can also decide to postpone until the biggest work is done 21:21:29 <ennael> yep 21:21:35 <ennael> this is not a big priority for now 21:21:39 <misc> okidoki 21:21:46 <ennael> but doc will be very important 21:22:03 <misc> #topic sysadm will be done later once dust settle 21:22:08 <misc> argh 21:22:13 <rtp> :) 21:22:16 <Nanar> touchpad 21:22:30 <boklm> interesting topic :) 21:22:34 <misc> #topic team creation 21:22:36 <ennael> :) 21:22:42 <misc> #action sysadm will be done later once dust settle 21:22:52 <Nanar> we'll fake the log later 21:22:59 * maat|alt aplause misc and Inigo_Montoya 21:23:12 <misc> we will also have to remove the log about changing the log 21:23:20 <misc> ok so I am too hungry to continue, does anyone have something else to say ? 21:23:31 <Nanar> two words 21:23:40 <maat|alt> good nite ? 21:23:45 <coincoin> bon app�t ? 21:23:45 <Nanar> we have server and RAID array disk to give to mageia 21:23:57 <coincoin> we ? 21:23:59 <misc> #topic others business 21:24:02 <Nanar> which mean SCSI RAID ARRAY: 12 x 400GB 21:24:13 <Nanar> and 12 x 750GB iirc 21:24:17 <misc> #action Nanar has server to provides 21:24:28 <boklm> s/action/info/ ? 21:24:33 <misc> argh , yes 21:24:36 <Nanar> supporting RAID 0/1/5 21:24:36 <misc> #undo 21:24:36 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x860868c> 21:24:42 <misc> #info Nanar has server to provides 21:24:44 <boklm> so we need to find hosting for this ? 21:24:57 <coincoin> hard to go on SCSI now... we need to check the real interest compared to SASII as SCSI is a pain for evolution and spare 21:24:57 <Nanar> indeed 21:25:18 <Nanar> RAID array is SCSI, but host SATA disk 21:25:36 <Nanar> I can provide dual port SCSI card if need 21:25:43 <Nanar> PCI card iirc 21:25:59 <coincoin> for now, the decision on HW for mageia was "no SCSI" 21:26:16 <Nanar> you prefer fiber channel ? 21:26:20 <misc> can we discuss this on sysadm rather ? 21:26:26 <ennael> why not using it for backups for now ? 21:26:38 <boklm> we need some machines for packagers to provide cauldron chroots for testing 21:26:43 <Nanar> I can host at work such thing for backup 21:26:44 <coincoin> yes but were hosting it? 21:26:50 <misc> coincoin: free.fr ? 21:26:57 <Nanar> well 21:26:58 <ennael> need also iso build machine 21:27:01 <coincoin> misc: good point 21:27:13 <coincoin> ennael: do you know if Free can host only 4U ? 21:27:24 <Nanar> until the service is not exposed, I can host it at work 21:27:25 <coincoin> boklm: for packager we need CPU, not HDD 21:27:41 <misc> coincoin: you would be surprised how much packagers can use HDD 21:27:55 <ennael> coincoin: no idea 21:28:03 <misc> ok so let's say : 21:28:09 <misc> nanar send mail to sysadm with the specs 21:28:20 <misc> someone ( ennael ? ) see free.fr for hosting 21:28:30 <Nanar> caroline garlatti 21:28:33 <Nanar> arg 21:28:39 <Nanar> http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/distrib-coffee-and-array.png 21:28:56 <Nanar> the raid array look like the one under the computer 21:29:38 <coincoin> 4U just for the raid, Free won't be ok :/ 21:29:43 <misc> #action Nanar send specs of proposal to mageia-sysadm 21:30:23 <ennael> mmm 21:30:29 <ennael> why not LO ? 21:30:41 <Nanar> time to go to eat 21:30:52 <Nanar> CU ! 21:30:56 <coincoin> if it's "tempo" LO will be a big expedition for tempo no? 21:31:03 <coincoin> Nanar: 'nap 21:31:25 <misc> well, can we discuss of hosting once we know what we will have and if this is ok ? 21:31:29 <misc> ( cause I am hungry too ) 21:31:31 <coincoin> ok 21:31:48 <misc> ( and we ae already offlimit for the 2h ) 21:32:28 <ennael> yep 21:32:38 <misc> ok so thanks for coming 21:32:47 <misc> #endmeeting