18:01:52 <ennael> #startmeeting 18:01:52 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Oct 12 18:01:52 2010 UTC. The chair is ennael. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:52 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:09 <ennael> #chair ennael rda boklm 18:02:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: boklm ennael rda 18:02:46 <ennael> some of us are not there tonight (misc, nanar) 18:03:08 <ennael> looks like blingme got access to freenode finally :) 18:03:30 <blingme> only by using ssh port forward to svn.mageia.org 18:03:36 <ennael> woot 18:03:45 <boklm> :) 18:04:27 <ennael> ok let's start then 18:04:32 <ennael> #topic trademark and logos guidelines 18:04:35 <ennael> rda ? 18:04:50 <rda> yep 18:05:02 <rda> that's two things. 18:05:25 <rda> now that we have Mageia values doc published, we are going to "re" launch the logo production serie 18:05:35 <rda> that is, we updated already guidelines for the logo 18:05:47 <rda> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide 18:05:57 <ennael> #info logo guidelines have been updated http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide 18:06:05 <rda> and we will post tomorrow morning a mail to reexplain how to do for the coming days. 18:06:13 <rda> submission deadline will be October 28th. 18:06:34 <ennael> #action rda will post a mail for logo contest - deadline is October 28th 18:06:51 <rda> and this will be handled/driven by Caroline, a ex-Mandriva staffer for communication and marketing, in coordination with comm/market teams 18:07:19 <ennael> #info Caroline will drive logo contest with comm/market teams 18:07:24 <rda> in the same time, we are going to draft trademark & logo policy: how should the "Mageia" name be used, when, why, and by who 18:08:22 <rda> this is pretty tricky and sensitive, and indispensable to make sure the "Mageia" name is not used against or in diverging interests of the project (values, mission, etc.) 18:08:43 <rda> we may be looking a lot at what others did about that (Debian, Mozilla, Ubuntu, Apache) 18:09:15 <ennael> #action rda and marketing team will draft trademark & logo policy to ensure proper use of Mageia name 18:09:24 <rda> this is still at a rough state, and will be coordinated through communication team as well (Caroline too, me, maybe someone else?) 18:09:53 <ennael> anyone interested here ? 18:09:55 <rda> comments? ideas? objections? 18:10:18 <rda> ennael: I guess it's alright then :-p 18:10:40 <tmb> no objections so far 18:10:53 <rda> or we can move on and discuss this further as a Q&A session at the end? 18:11:38 <ennael> #action plan Q&A session about all this 18:12:16 <ennael> anything else on that topic ? 18:12:47 <rda> "qui veut épouser mon fils ?"^Wnext ! 18:12:55 <ennael> :) 18:12:57 <ennael> ok 18:13:04 <ennael> #topic ldap and web apps to manage users 18:13:11 <ennael> blingme: 18:13:23 <ennael> rda: may I introduce you buchan :) 18:13:27 <coling> sorry I'm late. here now :) 18:13:34 <rda> ennael: :-p 18:13:43 <blingme> Well, any feedback on what I sent today regarding GOsa? 18:13:44 <ennael> hi coling 18:13:58 <blingme> If people *really* want GOsa, we can continue with it 18:14:21 <blingme> but there isn't much documentation on what access the gosa web app's user needs to have etc. 18:14:21 <ennael> well if it's not secure enough I guess it's not such a good idea... 18:14:29 <blingme> seems they just assume they will have rootdn 18:14:40 <blingme> it has lots of features .... but how many of them do we need? 18:14:43 <rda> blingme: your mail made pretty much sense 18:15:06 <blingme> ok, so any concerns with a web app for which we are the primary users for now? 18:15:10 <rda> blingme: and, apart from features, I think we must have a personal account management that closely fits users needs 18:15:19 <blingme> which was written from scratch in one day 18:15:35 <rda> I did not try it yet, neither reviewed the code. hope to do so tomorrow. 18:15:52 <blingme> ok, I might try and finish one or two pieces tonight 18:15:59 <rda> and I have to answer your mail. apart from that, it sounds very good to me on this track. 18:16:11 <blingme> cool 18:16:11 * tmb havent seen any mail.. 18:16:42 <blingme> tmb: sorry, you weren't on the thread that I replied to .... 18:16:56 <blingme> I will forward to you if you're interested 18:17:14 <blingme> rda: ok, so at some stage we will need to put it somewhere it can access LDAP 18:17:23 <rda> hmmm did we get the founders@ alias? 18:17:24 <tmb> blingme: yep, please do... 18:17:37 <rda> blingme: yep, I guess on the webserver next to it would be fine? 18:17:39 <blingme> and also let others at it (e.g. if we want any web design work, localisation) 18:17:44 <rda> boklm: ldap is hosted @ gandi, right? 18:17:54 <blingme> yes, on svn at present 18:17:55 <boklm> rda: yes 18:18:13 <rda> blingme: yes, we can structure that. no secret key or anything like that in the code? 18:18:15 <ennael> #info questions about Gosa security problems requiring rootdn to access data 18:18:27 <blingme> rda: there are no credentials anywhere in the code 18:18:46 <blingme> with catalyst, configuration can go in code, in config, and in local config 18:18:51 <rda> ok, that will help distributing work on it for translation and design 18:18:58 <ennael> #info Buchan sent an email to explain all alternatives and proposed a beginning of interface using catalyst in 1 day 18:19:06 <blingme> so, there is in svn a catdap.yml default config file 18:19:21 <blingme> if you want to customise it, copy to catdap_local.yml, and make mods there 18:19:47 <blingme> so, I have my local directory settings/credentials in catdap_local.yml in the same tree as is in svn 18:20:02 <blingme> (this is a very nice feature of catalyst compared to some other frameworks) 18:20:13 <rda> cool, indeed 18:20:46 <blingme> who should I coordinate with in putting this up? 18:20:58 <blingme> e.g., do we want some code review before it is available? 18:21:11 <boklm> URL for svn: svn://svn.mageia.org/soft/identity (anonymous) or svn+ssh://svn.mageia.org/svn/soft/identity 18:21:30 <ennael> #info code is available in svn://svn.mageia.org/soft/identity 18:22:02 <blingme> you will probably need quite a lot of Catalyst packages, all should now be available for 2010.0, but I have only tested on 2010.1 18:22:17 <rda> blingme: I would like to try to install it and review, but I'm not as fluent in Perl as many others. 18:22:24 <ennael> guillomovitch ? 18:22:28 <ennael> jq ? 18:22:30 <blingme> I will create spec file etc. shortly, to at least allow others to install it more easily 18:22:31 <rda> so I would welcome a third person here :) 18:22:53 <rda> blingme: not sure if we should deploy it that way (through rpm) though 18:22:55 <blingme> Nanar has also done some work in Catalyst, but he's probably too busy 18:23:17 <blingme> rda: not yet .... but just getting all the packages installed could take a bit of time by trial and error 18:23:28 <rda> ah, right, yes :) 18:23:40 <blingme> I might just make a list ... or META.yml ... 18:23:53 <ennael> #action review identity app before going on line: rda, see with guillomovitch or jq 18:24:34 <rtp> blino is also fluent in perl iirc :) 18:24:55 <ennael> sure :) 18:25:03 <ennael> blino: don't hide :) 18:25:23 <blino> rtp: but too busy with fun things like perforce, cmake, libcurl, webkit :/ 18:25:40 <blingme> ok, so, my next steps are to finish the last bits of user login from URL sent by mail, some work on ACLs for LDAP to make sure the app works, and running some code checking tools 18:25:52 <blingme> and add password changing 18:26:14 <blingme> boklm: you said you wanted to look at sympa .... 18:26:19 <boklm> blingme: yes 18:26:29 <blingme> do I need to do anything for that, besides create account for you and for sympa? 18:26:50 <rda> blingme: for my proxy thing, I will explain by email, tomorrow. 18:26:57 <ennael> #action Buchan has to finish user login, LDAP ACLs, code checking tools 18:26:59 <blingme> rda: np 18:27:20 <boklm> blingme: I'm not sure, I can check and tell you later 18:27:34 <ennael> #action boklm has to describe buchan what he is looking for for sympa to be plugged 18:27:45 <blingme> ok, I will create accounts for you and sympa after meeting 18:27:51 <boklm> ok, thanks 18:28:14 <boklm> blingme: is there an email field in the LDAP database ? 18:28:37 <blingme> boklm: yes, default one is 'mail', but this can be multi-valued 18:28:41 <boklm> ok 18:29:13 <blingme> we need to consider what we require email address storage for, and choose a schema for it 18:29:25 <blingme> depending on whether we want aliases etc. in LDAP 18:30:06 <blingme> but, afaik, with sympa you can make mailing lists based on ldap searches, e.g a sysadmin group could have all members of sysadmins group as subscribers 18:30:08 <rda> blingme: email would be for auth and contacting the user (directly or through subscriptions) 18:30:25 <blingme> so, adding a user to sysadmin group results in them being on ml without any other changes 18:30:56 <blingme> is there a sysadmin ml ? 18:31:10 <boklm> blingme: yes, mageia-sysadm@mageia.org 18:31:25 <boklm> blingme: you are subscribed to it now 18:31:46 <blingme> ok, fine, then I might send some info on how people can see what is currently in LDAP 18:32:01 <boklm> ok 18:32:17 <ennael> #action Buchan will sned more information to sysadmin team to explain how things work 18:32:36 <blingme> anything else? 18:32:39 <boklm> for mageia.org email alias, I don't know if we want to provide this to all users, or only some users 18:32:58 <ennael> what about active members ? 18:33:03 <rda> some 18:33:07 <blingme> are we open to using "cloud" services? 18:33:21 <rda> blingme: yes, but then maybe on a different domain 18:33:26 <blingme> e.g. Google ? 18:33:36 <blingme> where is pterjan when you need him 18:33:38 <rda> oh, I was thinking "our own" :-p 18:34:23 <coling> I think we can just provide aliases @mageia.org for now. 18:34:26 <blingme> I think Google apps is free for some classifications of organisations 18:34:51 <boklm> for which services do you think about using this ? 18:34:52 <coling> IIRC GA is free up to 100 users... for general purpose use, but perhaps charities/non-profits etc. can get more. 18:35:02 <coling> (but could be wrong) 18:35:10 <rda> what do you want to use google apps for? 18:35:27 <blingme> just if we want to provide contributors with mailboxes 18:35:35 <ennael> outch 18:35:39 <coling> I would imagine mail accounts, but IMO we should just start off with aliases 18:35:40 <blingme> (really just an idle idea) 18:35:45 <ennael> do we really want to manage mailboxes ? 18:36:05 <blingme> ennael: by "manage", you mean? 18:36:07 <blingme> host, no 18:36:14 <tmb> not mailboxes, only forwarding... 18:36:20 <ennael> ok 18:36:24 <coling> ennael, IMO no. 99% of contributors would likely rather have their mail forwarded anyway. 18:36:27 * ennael was a bit frightened 18:37:00 <ennael> #info a mail alias mageia.org will be provided to all active members in Mageia 18:37:29 <rda> beware, not in the sense of "association active members" :-p 18:37:49 <ennael> yep sorry 18:37:57 <rda> don't be 18:38:32 <rda> have to leave guys, good evening all! 18:38:54 <ennael> anything else on that tpoic ? 18:38:59 <blingme> not me 18:39:19 <ennael> ok 18:39:25 <ennael> #topic sysadmin review 18:39:30 <ennael> boklm: ? 18:39:53 <boklm> hmmm, not a lot of news since friday meeting for me 18:40:54 <boklm> anyone wants to say something about sysadmin ? 18:41:26 <tmb> nope 18:41:38 <coling> nothing from me. 18:41:48 * coling has been very busy with work stuff of late :( 18:41:54 <ennael> great that was fast :) 18:42:03 <ennael> #topic hosting news 18:42:07 <coling> :) 18:42:16 <ennael> ok my turn 18:42:32 <ennael> so we received a negative answer from Free foundation 18:42:42 <ennael> as they host only 2 servers max 18:42:57 <tmb> ouch 18:43:01 <ennael> so we are working on 2 other solutions 18:43:09 <ennael> first is Lost Oasis 18:43:19 <coling> Bummer :( 18:43:19 <ennael> they use to host some open source projects like PLF 18:43:45 <ennael> I sent then server list today we should have an answer by tomorrow 18:44:03 <ennael> one other is MLO hosting (Nfrance) 18:44:29 <ennael> whatever the answer is we have a backup solution for coming months with kazar.net assocation 18:44:44 <ennael> they could host us for free or at least very cheap fees 18:45:01 <ennael> so we will decide things after Lost-Oasis answer 18:45:31 <coling> OK, not all bad news then :) 18:45:45 <ennael> nope but we would like to hurry things a bit :) 18:46:10 <ennael> #action looking for other solutions for hosting, waiting for answer tomorrow 18:46:23 <tmb> what kind of bw can/will NFrance or kazar.net provide? 18:46:29 <ennael> #info backup solution for bs is available 18:46:46 * coling will have to go soon. Sorry :( 18:47:00 <ennael> tmb: 3 of them, Lost-Oasis, NFrance and Kazar have symetric bw 18:47:13 <ennael> I cannot remember the exact figures but quite enough for us 18:48:16 <ennael> so we should send an email about what we will do tomorrow 18:48:29 <tmb> ok, just dont want to end up in a situation where we will pay us sick.. 18:48:52 <ennael> yep 18:49:31 <ennael> anyway we will have to estimate hosting costs to manage a security funds amount in case of any problem in future 18:50:08 <tmb> do we get physical access to those 3 hosting providers? 18:50:24 <ennael> for the backup solution yes 18:50:34 <ennael> for 2 others datacenters are not in paris 18:50:55 <ennael> but at least for Lost-Oasis it was working quite well with PLF 18:51:07 <ennael> and boklm will look for remote management for our servers 18:51:51 <guillomovitch> pong 18:51:55 <guillomovitch> sorry for the delay 18:52:34 <guillomovitch> no pb for a code review, but probably not before this WE 18:52:36 <tmb> ok, if we get remote/ lights-out access it will be better. 18:52:41 <ennael> yep 18:52:51 <erwan_taf> coincoin: does your servers have IPMI built-in options ? 18:52:52 <ennael> this is a task for super-boklm :) 18:52:54 <guillomovitch> Lost-Oasis has some reasons to be quite upset about mandriva 18:53:10 <tmb> like ? 18:53:11 <ennael> guillomovitch: yes they have 18:53:19 <guillomovitch> tmb: non-paid bills 18:53:21 <ennael> something like 100.000 euros 18:53:36 <guillomovitch> it might influence their answer about mageia 18:53:49 <ennael> well first contact was quite friendly 18:53:54 <guillomovitch> cool 18:53:54 <ennael> we will see 18:54:54 * coling gtg now, take care 18:55:00 <ennael> bye coling 18:55:05 <boklm> maybe being upset about mandriva could be a reason to help mageia :) 18:55:51 <ennael> boklm: any information about IPMI on our servers ? 18:56:08 <boklm> I don't know, I have to check with damsweb 18:56:12 <ennael> ok 18:56:20 <ennael> any other question on that topic ? 18:56:44 <tmb> not for now... 18:56:50 <ennael> ok 18:56:58 <ennael> any other topic that was not in list ? 18:57:17 <erwan_taf> when do we share a drink ? :p 18:57:22 * erwan_taf hides 18:57:27 <tmb> :) 18:57:38 <tmb> not from me... 18:57:47 <boklm> at fosdem for the people who come ? :) 18:57:54 <ennael> ok 18:57:59 <ennael> #endmeeting