20:07:07 <trishf42> #startmeeting
20:07:07 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Wed Oct 12 20:07:07 2011 UTC.  The chair is trishf42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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20:07:22 <trishf42> #chair trishf42
20:07:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: trishf42
20:07:43 <trishf42> Items we have to discuss are wiki setup and wiki migration
20:07:48 <trishf42> #topic wiki setup
20:08:16 <trishf42> At the moment, artwork team is doing the look and feel and docteam is doing layouts
20:08:33 <trishf42> take a look here: http://www.mandrivauser.de/mga-testwiki/index.php/Special:SpecialPages
20:08:58 <trishf42> if you click on the logo you can go back to the main page, and then take a look at Oli's Playground
20:09:33 <trishf42> some stuff about the wiki here: http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:wiki#formal_rules
20:10:12 <trishf42> marcom needs to have input into these processes, mainly to help make sure that
20:10:23 <trishf42> a - new users can find things easily
20:10:43 <trishf42> b - it looks like a Mageia place (similar to website and blog)
20:11:00 <trishf42> c - it communicates us well to the outside world and to our community
20:11:14 <trishf42> So, your input is really needed!
20:11:19 <trishf42> thoughts?
20:12:28 <marilu> so
20:12:34 <tumbeliina> d - it have to work Right, so minimal number broken links etc
20:12:42 <trishf42> yes!
20:13:31 <marilu> about b) yes it looks like a Mageia place... but
20:13:33 <tumbeliina> it is very annoying if you look something and only what you get is 404 :(
20:13:55 <trishf42> marilu: but?
20:14:38 <marilu> the logo of mageia it is not seem cleaR
20:14:57 <trishf42> marilu: would you like more contrast? lighter? darker?
20:15:38 <tumbeliina> that purple back color was just for clear logo
20:15:52 <tumbeliina> that blue is too dark
20:16:16 <trishf42> marilu: have you got a link to the official colour palette?
20:16:26 <marilu> in two different browser explore and opera
20:16:58 <marilu> there isn't a contrast between background and log
20:17:02 <marilu> logo*
20:17:32 <tumbeliina> http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/Poster2Pallet.png
20:17:36 <tumbeliina> colors
20:17:51 <tumbeliina> http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/bgsli3345.png
20:18:09 <tumbeliina> my proposal for header
20:19:05 <marilu> no we don't like it
20:19:21 <marilu> we prefer the first one
20:19:39 <trishf42> marilu: take a look at the blog: http://blog.mageia.org/en/
20:19:48 <marilu> http://mageia.org/it/
20:20:05 <trishf42> and the website: http://www.mageia.org/en/
20:20:46 <trishf42> and the wiki, all side by side. From a marcom point of view, they don't really go together - the colours and layouts are too different.
20:21:38 <tumbeliina> http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/bgs.png
20:21:39 <trishf42> part of the Mageia Look is logo, part of it is colour and part of it is layout - we need to make sure our input is collected, and goes to artwork
20:22:19 <trishf42> and to discuss and council and docteam, so everyone can agree
20:22:30 <tumbeliina> yep
20:22:33 <trishf42> tumbeliina: I think that looks *cool*
20:22:50 <trishf42> maybe the purple for an accent somewhere, like the dark red?
20:22:56 <trishf42> somewhere else on the page
20:23:44 <tumbeliina> why not :)
20:25:10 <marilu> we think that the font of this site http://www.mageia.org/it/ and
20:25:23 <tumbeliina> i it can have litele more 3D effect, but i can put it there
20:25:40 <marilu> the logo form is good but for the colours
20:26:45 <marilu> we think that is good a dark background and a logo lighter or more contrast for example
20:26:52 <trishf42> so, can we all think about the colours we'd like to see, and the layouts, and how we'd like them to be used?
20:27:18 <trishf42> Maybe we can discuss this on the list and have something to present to artwork for next week?
20:28:21 <trishf42> think about it for a minute; I will be back in a second, going to get some tea
20:31:59 <tumbeliina> http://www.sanasokea.net/kukka/bggo.png
20:32:11 <tumbeliina> marilu, something like this?
20:32:30 <trishf42> ok, I'm back
20:33:27 <marilu> we have two proposal: 1) the backgroun dark magenta , the scriptwith light cyan andwhite for the balls 2) a dark background like for example dark or midnigth blue and script ligth gray and dark red for the balls
20:33:59 <trishf42> tumbeliina: do those colours on the logo agree with the official logo? I don't remember
20:34:31 <trishf42> marilu: that sounds like good contrast!
20:35:18 <tumbeliina> trishf42, i dont rembeber :D
20:35:21 <trishf42> what about white background, logo as per the website, and a dark blue border?
20:35:40 <trishf42> I don't know if that's possible with the wiki skin
20:35:57 <trishf42> there's something on the temp wiki about the logo, I'll check
20:36:33 <trishf42> We should take some of this discussion to the marcom or artwork mailing list, so we can finish this meeting tonight sometime 8-)
20:36:58 <tumbeliina> :D true
20:37:27 <trishf42> #info ML topic: colours and layouts for wiki, blog and website to bring the look together
20:37:48 <trishf42> #info colours and layouts discussion on marcom list, cc: artwork
20:37:55 <trishf42> is that okay with everyone?
20:38:30 <trishf42> So, next topic
20:38:47 <trishf42> #topic migrating the marcom content from the temp wiki to the new wiki
20:39:03 <trishf42> We have a week or so before this needs to be done
20:39:18 <marilu> I send our proposal in your mail, ok for you?
20:39:36 <trishf42> marilu: that's great, thank you!
20:40:06 <trishf42> with the wiki migration, can everyone look at the current marcom page on the temporary wiki
20:40:26 <trishf42> http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing
20:40:33 <trishf42> Look at the info we have there.
20:40:36 <marilu> ok you will receive it during the week end
20:40:45 <trishf42> Thanks marilu:
20:41:07 <trishf42> What info do we need to take over? What should we add? What should we not have?
20:41:33 <trishf42> Suggestions to the ML, or to me and I'll copy them to the ML - this needs to be discussed by the whole marcom team
20:41:43 <trishf42> not everyone is here tonight, so
20:42:06 <trishf42> #info ML topic: marcom content on the wiki
20:42:21 <trishf42> #info check out the content here http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing
20:43:04 <trishf42> #info check out the structure of the new wiki http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:wiki
20:43:29 <trishf42> #info and let's have a good discussion about what we need to do
20:43:32 <tumbeliina> dont we have colour palette? maybe point 1 can be removed?
20:43:41 <trishf42> thoughts?
20:44:22 <trishf42> tumbeliina: we have a palette - what we don't have is clear guidelines about where to use what colour. What is going to be dominant, what is only going to be used as accents
20:44:38 <trishf42> whether we will be going for a light look or a dark look
20:44:57 <trishf42> I have some links about how to decide that, just a second
20:44:58 <tumbeliina> ah okay, i undersand
20:45:13 <marilu> we are two people and we have two different idea
20:45:21 <marilu> one ligth and one dark
20:46:38 <trishf42> 8-) Well, put them both out there! We can't ask the community which they like, unless they see them.
20:47:16 <trishf42> Also, council has to look at the design proposals and decide - reps from every team are on council, they will ask their teams, so the whole community has a say.
20:47:25 <marilu> we send our proposal and afther all togheter we choose one of it
20:47:36 <trishf42> marcom communicates within the community, as well as to the outside world
20:47:41 <trishf42> okay!
20:48:01 <trishf42> or, we put them out there, and maybe someone does a tweak, and we have a third one to consider
20:48:16 <trishf42> it's a collaboration, not a competition
20:48:22 <marilu> we don't find any different between the two proposal
20:48:57 <marilu> beteewn structure and content of this two link
20:49:06 <trishf42> marilu: it would be great if you could attend artwork next week
20:49:07 <marilu> http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing
20:49:18 <marilu> http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:wiki
20:49:48 <marilu> when is the artwork meeting?
20:50:00 <trishf42> ah, okay. They aren't supposed to look different - but the marketing page has marcom info. The web:wiki page has guidelines for the new wiki.
20:50:26 <trishf42> in the new wiki guidelines, you will see what categories there will be, and we have to work with those categories.
20:50:26 <marilu> ok
20:50:43 <marilu> thank you
20:50:59 <marilu> ok perfect
20:51:16 <marilu> when is the artwork meeting
20:51:16 <trishf42> artwork meeting is next wednesday, 19:00 UTC - they have every second Wednesday, then we can have every Wednesday or just the one in between
20:51:19 <marilu> ?
20:51:37 <marilu> ok
20:51:51 <trishf42> BI-weekly IRC meeting on Wednesdays, 19:00 CEST/CET (that is, UTC+2/+1) for artwork
20:52:14 <trishf42> if we do more on the list, we only need a meeting every other week too
20:53:08 <trishf42> So, anything else anyone needs to say?
20:53:49 <trishf42> otherwise, let's end the meeting here
20:53:55 <trishf42> and continue to talk on the list
20:54:40 <trishf42> #endmeeting