17:33:24 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting 17:33:24 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Apr 21 17:33:24 2011 UTC. The chair is obgr_seneca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:33:24 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:33:25 <wobo> yes 17:33:45 <obgr_seneca> First of all, let me welcome all of you to our weekly i18n meeting 17:34:04 <obgr_seneca> #chair wobo 17:34:04 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: obgr_seneca wobo 17:34:23 <obgr_seneca> Especially wobo, who will take over now: wobo, your turn 17:35:00 <wobo> Thx, as this is the last time I have chair and wear a hat here, let me pls make a few remarks: 17:35:13 <wobo> I want to thank you all for your kind cooperation, you made the 17:35:15 <wobo> job as team leader not too hard for me. Nevertheless I regarded 17:35:16 <wobo> it as part of my duty as team leader to step back when I realize 17:35:18 <wobo> that I can not dedicate as much attention/time to the job as it 17:35:19 <wobo> demands. 17:35:21 <wobo> I may lurk at future meetings and will help whenever I can. 17:35:22 <wobo> About the new leader: 17:35:24 <wobo> Although it is in the hands of the team to appoint a new leader 17:35:25 <wobo> I hope that Oliver will get that task, he has proven to be the 17:35:27 <wobo> right guy for the job. 17:35:28 <wobo> So, that said, Oliver will take the chair. Thx. 17:36:38 <wobo> I've finished, you can go on with the meeting :) 17:36:44 <obgr_seneca> Ok wobo you know, that I hate to let you go, but I don't want to demand things of you, you just can't do 17:36:51 <obgr_seneca> So 17:36:59 <obgr_seneca> #topic team leadership 17:37:27 <obgr_seneca> Over the last days, I discussed with ennael and misc and we came to the following conclusion: 17:37:57 <obgr_seneca> Normally, the team leaders were apointed (as wobo and I were) till after the release 17:38:38 <obgr_seneca> But we think it would be better to elect a team leader for the duration of one year now instead of choosing a temporary and reelect in a month and a half 17:38:47 <obgr_seneca> SO, what's your opinions? 17:39:50 <MichaelSOG> I think that is better to elect a leader for a year 17:40:05 <dant3> I'm think it is good decision, to elect a leader for a year 17:40:14 <Jacendb> I agree 17:40:14 <TeaAge> we can also elect now for the this release and the upcoming 17:40:40 <wobo> TeaAge: we don't know when next release will be 17:40:45 <TeaAge> but a half year is still a very short duration, 12month would be better 17:40:52 <wobo> yes 17:40:57 <obgr_seneca> Since General assembly is in February it doesn't really matter, we should just make sure to have elections after that 17:41:37 <obgr_seneca> To have a team in place there 17:41:56 <wobo> yes, having a leader in place in the council for a longer period is the best way to go, continuity 17:42:13 <MichaelSOG> I think that too wobo 17:42:23 <obgr_seneca> Are there any opinions contrary to what has been said till now? 17:42:47 <numand> No. 17:43:10 <MichaelSOG> not from me 17:43:24 <dant3> no 17:44:05 <obgr_seneca> #agreed team leader will be elected for the duration of 12 month 17:44:29 <wobo> + substitute 17:44:47 <obgr_seneca> Ok, now comes the harder part, as I mentioned on the ML and as wobo has hinted, I would be a candidate for the position of team leader 17:44:54 <obgr_seneca> Are there others? 17:45:25 <MichaelSOG> I don't know others lol 17:46:19 <obgr_seneca> We could postpone that to the ML but since I wrote about that topic in my invitation and nobody voluntered... 17:46:47 <obgr_seneca> ? 17:47:19 <wobo> this topic was visible from the day of my retreat (1 week), time enough I think 17:47:34 <obgr_seneca> Ok, since it would sound strange if I did that, wobo could you take over for the election? 17:48:05 <wobo> ok, taking over for 2 elections :) 17:48:24 <wobo> #topic team leader election 17:49:08 <wobo> As we saw, there is no other candidate besides obgr_seneca for the position as team leader of Mageia i18n team. 17:49:34 <MichaelSOG> Nobody can? 17:50:04 <wobo> Asking now officially: pls gove your "yeah" or "Nay" to obgr_seneca being the leader of this team 17:50:17 <wobo> s/gove/give 17:50:39 <TeaAge> yeah 17:50:41 <wobo> I mean each of you pls say "Yes" or "No" 17:50:56 <numand> Yes:) 17:50:56 <yurchor> Yes 17:51:29 <MichaelSOG> Ja 17:51:30 <dant3> yes 17:51:34 <MichaelSOG> (YES) 17:52:16 <wobo> waiting for dtsiamasiotis and trishf42... 17:52:35 <dtsiamasiotis> wobo say the question again please 17:52:40 <trishf42> I'm not really here... 8-) 17:52:42 <obgr_seneca> and ajunior 17:52:53 <obgr_seneca> and numand 17:52:53 <trishf42> Yes 17:52:54 <wobo> Asking now officially: pls gove your "yeah" or "Nay" to obgr_seneca being the leader of this team 17:53:10 <wobo> numand: said yes already 17:53:17 <obgr_seneca> oh, sorry 17:53:40 <numand> And again yes:) 17:54:00 <dtsiamasiotis> it's a yes from me 17:54:05 <dant3> and yurchor? 17:54:09 <yurchor> yes 17:54:23 <obgr_seneca> ajunior: ??? 17:55:03 <wobo> Ok, he seems not to be present atm. 17:55:58 <wobo> Check for "No" votes: anybody is aginst obgr_senecato be the leader of i18n, pls sa no now 17:56:50 <wobo> I hereby declare the poll closed, result is without "no" votes: 17:57:20 <wobo> #agreed obgr_seneca was elected as team leader Mageia i18n for the coming 12 months 17:57:39 <wobo> Next: 17:57:58 <wobo> obgr_seneca: you can do the substitute election 17:58:04 <obgr_seneca> ok 17:58:15 <wobo> wait! 17:58:39 <obgr_seneca> wait? 17:59:01 <wobo> I have to go now, have a nice meeting, good luck Oliver for the job! 17:59:11 <MichaelSOG> see you wobo 17:59:12 <MichaelSOG> xD 17:59:14 <obgr_seneca> Wobo, thanks for everything, you did! 17:59:20 <obgr_seneca> See you arround 17:59:45 <obgr_seneca> So thank you all for your confidence in me 17:59:49 <obgr_seneca> #topic team substitute leader election 18:00:02 <obgr_seneca> SO, we need a substitute 18:00:23 <obgr_seneca> I would have proposed akien, but he's not here 18:00:40 <obgr_seneca> Is there a volunteer? 18:00:45 <dtsiamasiotis> I 've never seen akien here 18:01:29 <obgr_seneca> He is the new French team leader 18:01:32 <MichaelSOG> who's akien? 18:01:50 <obgr_seneca> Was here short before the meeting but couldn't stay 18:02:22 <obgr_seneca> His real name is Remi Verschelde, perhaps you read some mails from him 18:02:30 <TeaAge> obgr_seneca: have you asked him, if he'd like to do this job? 18:02:38 <obgr_seneca> No, I haven't 18:02:47 <TeaAge> :/ 18:02:48 <dtsiamasiotis> I didn't know he uses akien as a nick 18:02:52 <obgr_seneca> Did not have the chance 18:03:18 <obgr_seneca> That's why I can't propose him tonight 18:03:29 <MichaelSOG> and what about Jehane? 18:03:44 <obgr_seneca> SO I ask any of you: Is there someone who would take the job? 18:04:07 <dant3> Jehane don't have much time 18:04:11 <obgr_seneca> Jehane: left her position as french team leader due to not having enough time 18:04:13 <MichaelSOG> I don't know enought for the job 18:04:26 <MichaelSOG> ohh, i see 18:04:29 <ajunior> yes 18:04:40 <obgr_seneca> ajunior: Better late then never! 18:04:45 <obgr_seneca> :D 18:04:50 <ajunior> kkkkkkk 18:04:52 <ajunior> ;) 18:06:23 <obgr_seneca> So, nobody? 18:06:29 <obgr_seneca> Should we ask on the ml? 18:07:13 <Jehane> ? 18:07:14 <TeaAge> think it's better 18:07:14 <dant3> obgr_seneca: that about pacific meeting ? 18:07:22 <Jehane> someone highlight me ? 18:07:31 <dant3> maybe we will ask on the ml after that? 18:07:47 <obgr_seneca> Yep: we have to ask on pacific meeting as well 18:08:01 <dant3> Jehane: yes, sorry, we just talked about you:) 18:08:06 <obgr_seneca> about leader and substitute position 18:08:09 <MichaelSOG> Jehane: I was, sorry, I just ask something about you 18:08:11 <ajunior> I don't know who's akien but if you trust in his work, I agree. 18:08:39 <obgr_seneca> ajunior: I wanted to ask him this evening, but he had to leave 18:09:00 <ajunior> ok 18:09:16 <obgr_seneca> So I think it's best to ask on pacific meeting tomorrow morning and on the ml 18:09:18 <obgr_seneca> ok? 18:09:25 <dant3> ok 18:09:26 <TeaAge> right 18:09:29 <yurchor> ok 18:09:30 <dtsiamasiotis> ok 18:09:33 <ajunior> fine 18:09:41 <obgr_seneca> ok, that out of the way 18:09:45 <MichaelSOG> Mailing List is ok 18:10:09 <obgr_seneca> #info no substitute till now, obgr_seneca will ask on pacific meeting and on ml 18:10:49 <obgr_seneca> #topic Technical status of i18n 18:11:00 <obgr_seneca> SO let me begin by explaining one thing now 18:11:22 <obgr_seneca> After quite some hours of bugfixing, misc finally fixed tc client as well 18:11:50 <ajunior> it's good 18:11:50 <dant3> nice to hear that 18:11:54 <dtsiamasiotis> god bless misc 18:12:17 <obgr_seneca> The bad news is: sysadmin team is still discussing the way how to give you (the commiters) svn access 18:12:26 <obgr_seneca> I will try and hurry them 18:12:46 <dant3> obgr_seneca: they love long discussions ;) 18:12:53 <MichaelSOG> xD 18:13:10 <numand> :) 18:13:19 <obgr_seneca> So the only way to get translations into beta2 is for you to tell me, which files are ready and I will fetch them from Tx and commit them into svn 18:13:37 <TeaAge> what's the matter? ldap? 18:13:45 <dtsiamasiotis> how much time do we have till translation freeze? 18:14:14 <obgr_seneca> There are several ways of giving groupwise permissions, and they are not sure, which to take 18:14:30 <dant3> obgr_seneca: can you mark translation freeze date in mageia calendar? 18:14:34 <obgr_seneca> For beta2 I should have them asap 18:14:40 <obgr_seneca> For final till MAy, 5th 18:14:55 <obgr_seneca> dant3: I will 18:15:13 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca mark i18n dates in calendar 18:16:32 <obgr_seneca> So if you would send me an email with a list of translations that are ready, I will commit them 18:16:38 <obgr_seneca> Ok? 18:16:44 <dant3> ok 18:17:29 <TeaAge> yes 18:17:36 <obgr_seneca> After beta 2 release I will update the rest of the pot files in Tx, my test seems to have worked out all right 18:18:37 <obgr_seneca> #action team leaders: send a list of ready translations to obgr_seneca for commiting into svn 18:19:19 <obgr_seneca> TeaAge: would you do that for the German team? I haven't had time to follow our own progress lately 18:19:31 <TeaAge> jupp 18:19:37 <obgr_seneca> Ok 18:20:18 <obgr_seneca> #non-technical i18n status 18:20:27 <obgr_seneca> Are there any questions? 18:20:45 <obgr_seneca> About website, blog,... 18:21:15 <ajunior> no 18:21:21 <numand> No 18:21:33 <obgr_seneca> As you may have seen, we have some new teams 18:21:52 <dant3> yes, thats very good 18:21:55 <obgr_seneca> I welcome yurchorfrom the Ukrainian team 18:21:59 <MichaelSOG> obgr_seneca: I've one, about wiki, Is there gonna be wiki in other languages? 18:22:16 <MichaelSOG> welcome yurchor 18:22:22 <obgr_seneca> Then we have hindi, punjabi (both from India), arabic and tamil 18:22:59 <obgr_seneca> MichaelSOG: As soon as the final wiki is setup 18:23:16 <numand> Welcome all of you. 18:23:22 <obgr_seneca> There will be localized wikis for every language 18:23:44 <dant3> I bet it will be a lot of work 18:24:10 <obgr_seneca> Wiki isn't all that important 18:24:17 <Jacendb> it will, but we managed in the past to have the most important pages of Mandriva's wiki translated into spanish 18:24:32 <obgr_seneca> It has a more informal character then blog and website 18:25:10 <obgr_seneca> So just take your time and translate thos pages you think are important 18:25:42 <obgr_seneca> As an example: the German team at Mdv never translated the i18n howtos 18:25:57 <obgr_seneca> (on purpose) 18:26:13 <dant3> ok 18:26:37 <obgr_seneca> So, anything else? 18:27:11 <numand> Nope 18:27:14 <dant3> nope 18:27:20 <obgr_seneca> numand: I will look into your login problems 18:27:34 <dtsiamasiotis> obgr_seneca: did you ask about language selection in dual arch cd? 18:27:48 <obgr_seneca> dtsiamasiotis: forgot, sorry 18:27:59 <numand> obgr_seneca: ok. 18:28:14 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca ask about language selection in dual arch 18:28:49 <numand> obgr_seneca: which languages will be available in cds? 18:29:06 <obgr_seneca> numand: The DVD should contain all languages 18:29:14 <obgr_seneca> dual arch only a small selection 18:29:23 <obgr_seneca> live cds are not finalized 18:29:37 <numand> obgr_seneca: Thanks 18:29:52 <obgr_seneca> Ok, can we finish the meeting? 18:30:04 <obgr_seneca> (after all, I am invited for a barbecue) 18:30:12 <dant3> :) 18:30:21 <numand> :) Good evening then 18:30:25 <obgr_seneca> ok 18:30:30 <obgr_seneca> nothing else? 18:30:38 <MichaelSOG> Im hungry 18:30:43 <TeaAge> me too 18:30:50 <obgr_seneca> #endmeeting