18:33:52 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting 18:33:52 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Feb 17 18:33:52 2011 UTC. The chair is obgr_seneca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:33:52 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:34:01 <obgr_seneca> #chair misc 18:34:01 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: misc obgr_seneca 18:34:09 <obgr_seneca> #chair ennael 18:34:09 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: ennael misc obgr_seneca 18:34:25 <obgr_seneca> First of all, thank you all for being here 18:34:39 <obgr_seneca> #topic release page 18:35:02 <obgr_seneca> The release page is now translated into quite some languages, others still missing 18:35:18 <obgr_seneca> coincoin: How many do we have, do you have some numbers? 18:37:05 <ajunior> I sent the pt_BR translate 18:37:32 <RemmyToo> I hope to work on the Dutch version on the weekend 18:37:42 <misc> obgr_seneca: 9 translations 18:37:43 <RemmyToo> but then again, I also hoped for other translators to step forward, haha 18:37:47 <obgr_seneca> #action all missing: please translate the alpha release page soon 18:37:48 <Jehane> french version is online, thanks to coincoin 18:38:14 <obgr_seneca> #url http://www.mageia.org/en/alpha/ 18:38:20 <ajunior> brazilian version is on too 18:38:35 <obgr_seneca> #topic catdap 18:38:50 <coincoin> obgr_seneca: sorry was AFK: pt/et/fr/zh-tw/de/it/en/ro/pl for now 18:38:50 <misc> ( current list : de en et fr it pl pt ro zh-tw ) 18:39:49 <obgr_seneca> I see 6 translations there, if I forgot to commit any, please write me a mail, reminding me 18:40:05 <RemmyToo> I see the Dutch one is already available, nice :-) 18:40:09 <misc> shouldn't we start to use catdap for tx, as a test project ? 18:40:21 <obgr_seneca> misc: we could 18:40:35 <obgr_seneca> I just reacted to blingmes translation request 18:40:39 <Jehane> misc: could be an idea, is all the software internationalised ? 18:41:07 <misc> Jehane: likely not, but we will notice only if we start to have translated 18:41:08 <obgr_seneca> But if you could add catdap to tx, we could use it for the missing translations 18:41:34 <misc> well, I do not think it requires any permission to do that, no ? 18:41:37 <obgr_seneca> (or can I add it myself?) 18:42:01 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca: add catdap to tx 18:42:29 <obgr_seneca> next topic (transifex)? 18:42:48 <misc> yup 18:42:56 <obgr_seneca> #topic transifex 18:43:07 <obgr_seneca> First a little report from myself 18:43:30 <obgr_seneca> I had some discussion with fedora translators on IRC today 18:43:44 <obgr_seneca> Among them was one guy from the transifex project itself 18:44:25 <obgr_seneca> I couldn't talk to them very long since I was at work but we came to several semi conclusions 18:44:46 <obgr_seneca> The guys at #fedora-i18n sent me to #fedora-l10n 18:45:19 <obgr_seneca> Their i18n channel is more a channel of technical guys, their l10n is for the translators 18:46:07 <misc> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N vs https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N 18:46:21 <obgr_seneca> First of all, as misc (or wobo?) already told us, fedora is using tx-0.x at the moment and they are switching to tx.net instead of their own installation 18:46:33 <obgr_seneca> misc: thanks 18:46:48 <Jehane> obgr_seneca: I know they have problem with the upgrade 18:46:52 <RemmyToo> May I ask why they are switching? 18:47:34 <Jehane> RemmyToo: big problem with the upgrade if I understood 18:47:36 <obgr_seneca> The translators at l10n told me, the infrastructure guys are shorthanded and wanted to giv the whole thing to the translators themselves 18:47:46 <obgr_seneca> Those didn't want to take the job 18:48:15 <obgr_seneca> But we came to the following conclusions: 18:48:29 <RemmyToo> Sounds like a big dependancy on a 3rd party though 18:48:43 <obgr_seneca> The transifex project guy invited me to come to #transifex to discuss our problems with the software 18:49:13 <obgr_seneca> I told him, I would come soon but as I already said, I was at work at that time so this has to wait for the weekend 18:49:26 <RemmyToo> ::nods:: 18:49:50 <obgr_seneca> The fedora guys asked me to discuss our list of problems with them, being very interested 18:50:08 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca go to #transifex and discuss with them 18:50:31 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca discuss our list of problems further with the fedora guys 18:50:43 <RemmyToo> Poor obgr_seneca, keeping himself busy 18:51:25 <obgr_seneca> The main problem with tx at the moment is (in my eyes): it doesn't keep any translation history 18:51:57 <obgr_seneca> And if you translate something locally with poedit or lokalize, fuzzy markings are lost, too 18:52:07 <misc> isn't it the goal of the underlying backend ( ie git/svn/whatever ) ? 18:52:34 <obgr_seneca> Someone wanted to create a list of problems last week? Is this done? 18:52:35 <Jehane> obgr_seneca: you're saying that tx is removing comments ? 18:52:44 <obgr_seneca> Jehane: yes 18:53:02 <Jehane> obgr_seneca: doesn't have time to look at it, I was supposed to speak with fedora too :( 18:53:10 <obgr_seneca> There is a bugreport about that, it was posted in last meeting 18:53:20 <obgr_seneca> Can anyone look it up? 18:53:39 <misc> http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-i18n/2011/mageia-i18n.2011-02-10-18.34.html 18:54:00 <misc> http://trac.transifex.org/ticket/675 18:54:16 <obgr_seneca> thanks again 18:54:37 <obgr_seneca> btw, I can't login to https://transifex.mageia.org/accounts/login/ with my mageia account, anything wrong? 18:54:53 <misc> obgr_seneca: I can check, after the meeting ? 18:54:58 <obgr_seneca> ok 18:55:22 <obgr_seneca> So, this is the status of tx as I see it right now 18:55:27 <obgr_seneca> Anything to add? 18:55:36 <marcy> hi all 18:55:54 <obgr_seneca> hi 18:56:04 <marcy> i'm in time for the i18n meeting? 18:56:05 <misc> I can log myself, so I suspect I will need to look closely the permission 18:56:28 <misc> marcy: just 30 minutes late :) 18:56:30 <obgr_seneca> marcy: a bit late, but no problem 18:56:44 <marcy> i was studying, am i excused? : ) 18:57:11 <obgr_seneca> it depends on what you bribe us with :D 18:57:12 <dant3> maybe only me have this issue: I created account at identity.mageia.org, can login with it at ml, but can't login using it on transifex 18:57:26 <Jehane> same for me 18:58:02 <dant3> I tryed to change password looks like it doesn't make sense 18:58:26 <misc> I will look after the meeting 18:58:33 <marcy> obgr_seneca: 1 million euros is it ok? P 18:59:05 <obgr_seneca> marcy: add some good wine and it is ok with me 18:59:10 <marcy> can i ask you what did you have already spoken about? 18:59:15 <Jehane> ok, perhaps should we look at pootle ? even if we work a lot about tx 18:59:25 <obgr_seneca> so, I just looked it up: Jerzy wanted to create that list of problems 18:59:44 <obgr_seneca> pootle? 18:59:44 <marcy> obgr_seneca: ok, i will offer you carys, the greatest wine i've drunk so far 18:59:57 <obgr_seneca> Jehane: go! 19:00:04 <Jehane> obgr_seneca: ? 19:00:15 <obgr_seneca> on about pootle, I don't know it 19:00:16 <Jehane> to test pootle ? 19:00:27 <marcy> what is pootle? 19:00:30 <Jehane> I will try to test it this week-end 19:00:40 <Jehane> marcy: a translation plate-form, like tx 19:00:42 <obgr_seneca> is it another translation collaboration tool? 19:00:46 <obgr_seneca> Ok 19:00:53 <marcy> don't we already chosen tx? 19:01:04 <obgr_seneca> #action Jehane has a look at pootle over the weekend 19:01:12 <Jehane> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pootle 19:01:22 <obgr_seneca> marcy: There are some problems with it we need to solve 19:01:30 <ajunior> I can't login to https://transifex.mageia.org/accounts/login/ with my mageia account, too 19:01:37 <obgr_seneca> #url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pootle 19:01:47 <obgr_seneca> ajunior: misc will look into it 19:01:52 <Jehane> ajunior: misc said he will look at it after the meeting 19:02:02 <marcy> obgr_seneca: ok 19:02:27 <marcy> question: what is the status of i18n-it ML creation? we are in 3 for now 19:02:33 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca ping Jerzy about that list of problems 19:02:49 <obgr_seneca> marcy: wait, please 19:02:55 <obgr_seneca> so, next topic? 19:03:12 <misc> for pootle, there is a mandriva package 19:03:22 <marcy> obgr_seneca: status of i18n-it ML creation? we are in 3 for now 19:03:23 <marcy> : ) 19:03:30 <Jehane> thanks, misc, it will be simplier 19:03:46 <obgr_seneca> ok, anything else about tx for now? 19:03:55 <ajunior> no 19:04:28 <obgr_seneca> #topic mailing lists 19:04:40 <obgr_seneca> ok, the first round of mls is active 19:04:49 <obgr_seneca> wobo asked for the second round 19:04:56 <misc> the 2nd round too 19:05:03 <misc> https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists/i18n 19:05:30 <marcy> good news, thanks : ) 19:05:32 <misc> I guess I forgot to post about it, or maybe there is one missing 19:05:33 <ajunior> we have 13 ml 19:05:39 <RemmyToo> I have a private list, hurrah 19:05:49 <Jehane> misc: forgot to post 19:06:01 <obgr_seneca> thanks, so all the rest can register at https://identity.mageia.org/ and then at https://ml.mageia.org/ 19:06:13 <obgr_seneca> see a description of how to do it in the wiki 19:06:22 <marcy> obgr_seneca: there isn't an issue? 19:06:32 <obgr_seneca> #url http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators#howto_register_and_subscribe_to_a_mailing_list_for_i18n_teams 19:07:20 <obgr_seneca> if we are still missing any language list, please write a mail to the international i18n ml 19:07:31 <obgr_seneca> marcy: issue? 19:07:50 <marcy> dant3 said: maybe only me have this issue: I created account at identity.mageia.org, can login with it at ml 19:08:04 <marcy> have i misunderstood? 19:08:12 <misc> well, if he can login that mean it work 19:08:19 <dant3> marcy: I mean't I can use it at ml 19:08:21 <obgr_seneca> "I created account at identity.mageia.org, can login with it at ml, but can't login using it on transifex" 19:08:24 <dant3> but can't use it at tx 19:08:47 <marcy> ok 19:08:49 <obgr_seneca> so registering for the mls IS working and misc will look into tx... 19:08:55 <Jehane> dant3: issue known, misc will look at it 19:09:29 <obgr_seneca> ok, next topic? 19:09:37 <RemmyToo> sure 19:10:09 <obgr_seneca> #topic other 19:10:21 <obgr_seneca> Does anybody have something, we should discuss? 19:10:49 <dant3> obgr_seneca: maybe me? 19:10:49 <RemmyToo> A handful of persons have expressed interest in helping with Dutch translations 19:11:03 <obgr_seneca> dant3: you first 19:11:21 <ajunior> misc, mediawiki is done? 19:12:16 <misc> ajunior: no 19:12:24 <ajunior> ok 19:12:37 <dant3> We have a little bit problem with free time at Russian team. For the last week nobody answered in ml about profreads and translations. 19:12:54 <dant3> I'm confused cause I'm not a leader of the team and so I would not commit translations, but there are some translations ready to use 19:13:11 <obgr_seneca> dant3: It's a problem, most of us have 19:13:26 <Jehane> dant3: actually, you can send the translation to the ML 19:13:26 <obgr_seneca> you could try and contact your time leader 19:13:38 <obgr_seneca> or send them to the ml yourself 19:14:11 <obgr_seneca> ok? 19:14:20 <dant3> obgr_seneca: ok, got it 19:14:34 <obgr_seneca> so RemmyToo 19:14:38 <obgr_seneca> your turn 19:14:41 <RemmyToo> Thanks 19:14:58 <RemmyToo> A handful of persons have expressed interest in helping with Dutch translations, but so far I've been the only one attending these meetings 19:15:18 <RemmyToo> and I wrote them yesterday, and maybe it's too soon to say, but so far I've got zero response from them 19:15:32 <RemmyToo> any suggestions? Or just wait and see when people will come aboard? 19:15:36 <obgr_seneca> RemmyToo: international meeting are really meant for team representatives 19:15:59 <obgr_seneca> Others can listen in of course but I would prefer not having too much clutter 19:16:06 <RemmyToo> obgr_seneca, ya, but right now I'm a one man team, when 5 others have expressed interest. 19:16:28 <RemmyToo> I've never been elected team representative, but no one else has been here. 19:16:33 <obgr_seneca> If you contacted them yesterday I would wait for the weekend 19:16:46 <RemmyToo> Ok, I will. 19:16:59 <obgr_seneca> If they don't react, try once more... 19:17:08 <obgr_seneca> we can't do much more than that 19:17:17 <obgr_seneca> which brings me to another point 19:17:39 <ajunior> obgr_seneca, the br team is ready but only 3 active members 19:17:51 <obgr_seneca> we could now try and get the missing language teams active 19:18:10 <misc> RemmyToo: if you are not elected but if you do the job, that's ok too, consider that you voted for yourself :) 19:18:10 <obgr_seneca> and retry getting the sleepers who registered in the wiki to become active 19:18:36 <RemmyToo> misc: It's a 100% vote, lol... but not sure if I'm the right person for the job 19:18:47 <RemmyToo> Ok, will wait and see what develops. 19:19:04 <obgr_seneca> RemmyToo: you could do it till you have more people and find someone else to do it? 19:19:39 <obgr_seneca> #action everybody trying to get more people for his/her respective teams 19:19:45 <dant3> misc: and as others missing, am I reserve representative? =) 19:19:46 <RemmyToo> obgr_seneca, that's fine... it's just that I'll probably not have enough time to translate everything 19:19:57 <marcy> RemmyToo: maybe this website could help you-> http://it.open-tran.eu/ 19:20:06 <obgr_seneca> look at the wiki and try and contact those who haven't answered till now 19:20:17 <marcy> there are listed all the translation of the major OSS software 19:20:17 <ajunior> obgr_seneca, I'will how to contribute with mageia in pt_br 19:20:39 <obgr_seneca> #action wobo and obgr_seneca try and contact the missing teams 19:20:42 <RemmyToo> marcy, thanks :) 19:20:42 <obgr_seneca> ajunior: ok 19:21:17 <obgr_seneca> So, anything else? 19:21:34 <Jehane> nothing 19:22:03 <RemmyToo> Nothing from me. 19:22:27 <marcy> RemmyToo: you're welcome : ) 19:22:31 <marcy> nothing 19:22:34 <obgr_seneca> Ok 19:22:36 <Jehane> (except I love when meetings are short and efficient like today) 19:22:37 <dant3> nothing 19:22:51 <obgr_seneca> Jehane: me too 19:22:51 <RemmyToo> Jehane, still almost an hour :) 19:22:53 <marcy> Jehane: don't long this meeting! 19:23:10 <obgr_seneca> I thank you all for coming today 19:23:12 <RemmyToo> Time flies when having fun I guess. 19:23:18 <RemmyToo> Thanks for chairing Oliver 19:23:21 <obgr_seneca> Oh one more thing I almost missed! 19:23:43 <RemmyToo> wobo's fruit basket? 19:24:02 <obgr_seneca> #action everybody if you have contacts with other open source projects: keep them alive, we can't have enough of them! 19:24:08 <RemmyToo> :) 19:24:16 <obgr_seneca> #endmeeting