20:03:33 <papoteur> #startmeeting 20:03:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Dec 3 20:03:33 2018 UTC. The chair is papoteur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:33 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:55 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon apb yurchor 20:03:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: apb lebarhon papoteur yurchor 20:04:33 <papoteur> lebarhon give us some topics 20:05:27 <papoteur> #topic Wiki pages to revise 20:05:43 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pages_to_revise/archive 20:06:54 <papoteur> How deal we with it at the moment? Do we review the list 20:06:57 <papoteur> ? 20:08:35 <papoteur> I didn't have lot of time to read it, for now, I'm quite busy with Mageiawelcome. 20:09:06 <lebarhon> We have to decide whhat to put in archive 20:09:35 <lebarhon> old doesn't mean bad 20:11:31 <papoteur> OK. First candidate https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Amazon_EC2_Mageia 20:11:31 <lebarhon> I think old + outdated + doubloon - archive 20:12:28 <lebarhon> do you want to review each page ? 20:13:05 <papoteur> lebarhon: no 20:13:14 <lebarhon> ouf ! 20:13:35 <papoteur> lebarhon: pages tagged for deletion or not decided? 20:14:09 <papoteur> lebarhon: you can say also how you imagine to proceed. 20:14:35 <yurchor> It did not semm to configure LIRC ~8 years ago when I had TV-tuner (AVER Media 507)... LIRC page is not very informative either. 20:14:49 <yurchor> *seem hard 20:15:26 <apb> Sorry to interrupt, but do I appear to have 'voice' ( no granted msg, and Avatar does not show granted)? 20:16:00 <yurchor> apb:: Seems so. 20:16:14 <apb> Ah - strange. thanks. 20:16:46 <papoteur> yurchor: what do you refer to? 20:16:46 <lebarhon> apb: you appear as a sub user on the list 20:17:01 <yurchor> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/LIRC 20:17:19 <papoteur> Ah 20:18:09 <papoteur> Ok for archiving 20:18:16 <lebarhon> Ok 20:19:17 <apb> lebarhon: Had to re-register earlier 20:19:22 <papoteur> Amazon is old but perhaps still useful. I think to keep. 20:20:14 <lebarhon> we don't know if it is good for Mga 6 20:20:48 <papoteur> No 20:22:34 <papoteur> However, I don't imagine that this work go into trash 20:23:18 <lebarhon> an Amazon count is needed to test 20:23:28 <papoteur> yes :/ 20:23:39 <lebarhon> We can keep as iit is 20:23:45 <lebarhon> *it 20:24:18 <papoteur> Perhaps adding warning about the oldness of it 20:24:31 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Available_locales 20:25:03 <papoteur> I agree, no big interest, and surely not uptodate. 20:26:40 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bluefish 20:26:50 <papoteur> no interest 20:27:36 <lebarhon> the page is empty 20:29:18 <yurchor> Bluefish has nice homepage and docs by itself. 20:29:34 <papoteur> yurchor: surely 20:29:48 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Create_a_mirror_inside_your_corporate_network 20:30:25 <papoteur> I think to keep, seems useful, even of poorly worked. 20:32:22 <lebarhon> very poorly :) 20:34:32 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_add_a_new_Window_Manager_or_Display_Manager 20:34:50 <papoteur> No idea of its value 20:35:41 <lebarhon> no update since 2012 20:37:12 <papoteur> It was written by doktor5000. We can ask him his advice. 20:37:28 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_do_some_easy_commands 20:37:34 <papoteur> Ok for deletion 20:38:48 <lebarhon> OK 20:39:11 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_install_minicom 20:39:44 <papoteur> Very poor value. Ok for archiving 20:41:15 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installing_Mageia 20:41:21 <papoteur> Ok for archiving 20:42:21 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Install_java_oracle 20:42:36 <papoteur> For me, to keep. 20:43:14 <lebarhon> Do we still need Oracle Java for Calenco ? 20:45:07 <papoteur> lebarhon: I don't remember. 20:45:28 <lebarhon> nevermind :) 20:46:43 <papoteur> I don't have it, and Calenco works fine 20:47:36 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mgasoft 20:47:56 <papoteur> To change the category, not in Documentation. 20:48:52 <lebarhon> Only Mageia tools 20:49:53 <papoteur> Yes 20:49:56 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Msec 20:50:24 <papoteur> Is it in doublon with our official documentation ? 20:50:53 <lebarhon> I didn't read everything 20:51:18 <lebarhon> it is more complete I think 20:51:45 <papoteur> what is more complete? 20:51:53 <lebarhon> the wiki page 20:52:41 <lebarhon> It is older, but security doesn't change often 20:52:53 <papoteur> lebarhon: I though you wrote the documentation being inspired by this page 20:53:20 <lebarhon> no but by the Mandriva doc inspired by this page 20:53:29 <papoteur> Ah 20:54:10 <papoteur> Thus we have to keep it. 20:54:22 <lebarhon> I think this page is the origine of the mandriva doc, not sure of course 20:54:22 <papoteur> And check for update 20:56:40 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Remaster_Mageia_Live_Media_Selfmade_ISO 20:57:00 <papoteur> I don't agree to delete it. 20:57:49 <papoteur> I think this method is still usable. Of course, need an update. 20:58:15 <apb> Rename? Remaster Mageia Live Media 20:59:22 <lebarhon> may be ask also to Doktor5000 20:59:29 <papoteur> apb: it's a good title 20:59:55 <apb> papoteur: The original title? 21:00:09 <papoteur> I maintained a equivalent page on MLO. 21:00:15 <papoteur> apb: no, yours 21:00:32 <apb> papoteur: Oh :) 21:02:30 <papoteur> https://www.mageialinux-online.org/wiki/personnaliser-une-image-live 21:03:08 <lebarhon> Where do you see this page ? 21:03:22 <lebarhon> Sorry, MLO 21:05:30 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Speeding_up_KDE 21:05:46 <papoteur> I agree to archive. 21:08:21 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Usershare_with_samba 21:08:50 <papoteur> Not a good place in wiki, but in bugzilla, if still valid. 21:10:44 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/XFCE_desktop 21:11:14 <papoteur> I wonder if some information is to put in "first step" page. 21:11:25 <papoteur> before deleting. 21:11:49 <lebarhon> Xfce changed their menu last year 21:12:04 <papoteur> Ah 21:12:39 <papoteur> Thus, the explanations are not accurate? 21:12:47 <lebarhon> the layout changed even iif I think we still can have the old one 21:13:48 <lebarhon> Last Sc are from 2012 21:13:57 <papoteur> :/ 21:15:01 <lebarhon> current menu is called Whisker 21:15:51 <yurchor> For me the biggest speed up of KDE now is when our developers broke Akonadi and Baloo together with incompatible MariaDB. :) 21:16:11 <yurchor> In Mageia 7, I meant. 21:16:13 <papoteur> Ok, the "first step" page seems consistent. 21:16:50 <papoteur> yurchor: :/ 21:17:08 <papoteur> yurchor: is this repaired? 21:17:33 <yurchor> The main problem of KDE Plasma is Baloo, for now. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400704 21:17:34 <[mbot> [ 400704 – Baloo indexing I/O introduces serious noticable delays ] 21:17:37 <lebarhon> papoteur: Yes, The old page was already there when I wrote "First step" 21:17:55 <yurchor> papoteur: No. And I'm happy. 21:18:08 <papoteur> :D 21:18:19 <apb> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_ask_help Could do with renaming: How to ask for help 21:19:18 <lebarhon> more correct? you can change the title 21:19:33 <papoteur> apb: You surely know better as me ;) 21:19:38 <lebarhon> Or I will do if you prefer 21:19:52 <apb> Ok 21:20:24 <papoteur> lebarhon: Thus Ok for archiving the XFCE page. 21:21:07 <lebarhon> OK, I will execute the decisions 21:21:11 <papoteur> Thus we completed the review, did we? 21:21:22 <yurchor> To sum up https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Speeding_up_KDE is outdated and confusing even for Mageia 5 21:21:53 <lebarhon> Do we say we finished this topic? 21:22:43 <papoteur> yurchor: I think so. 21:23:02 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes 21:23:56 <apb> As it may not be too long before Mga7 release, I guess you might call meetings if needed between the regular scheduled meetings? 21:24:10 <papoteur> Do we continue for the second topic? 21:24:14 <papoteur> Mageia 7 manuals, new features 21:24:42 <lebarhon> I think new features aren't really 21:26:10 <lebarhon> Will Mageia 7 really shipped with Refind and DNF by default? 21:26:12 <papoteur> We have to check with Martin Whitaker for the Live, if somethink he did is visible. 21:26:37 <papoteur> Dnf by default : no 21:27:21 <lebarhon> Grub2 for Live by default? 21:27:24 <papoteur> Refind: I haven't heard something about it. 21:27:45 <lebarhon> Refind is in the accepted features 21:28:58 <papoteur> this is a question for Martin, too. 21:29:13 <papoteur> I will ask him. 21:30:05 <lebarhon> Is he the Dev leader? 21:30:45 <papoteur> lebarhon: no, the isobuilder 21:30:58 <lebarhon> OK thanks 21:31:02 <apb> GRUB2 shows @ 100% in Mga features. 21:31:14 <apb> ....Mga7 21:32:03 <papoteur> lebarhon: you said "uninstalling in UEFI"... 21:32:44 <lebarhon> Yes it is an old topic 21:33:32 <lebarhon> Number 13 in our agenda 21:34:09 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Docteam_meeting_agenda_submissions 21:34:42 <lebarhon> We still have no method to unsinstall Mageia, but we say it is easy and it is a Mageia advantage 21:36:53 <papoteur> What Lewis said is correct, I think 21:37:51 <papoteur> lebarhon: why do you say we have no method for unstalling? 21:38:28 <lebarhon> yes but not detailed enough and I don't have a computer where I could try to uninstall Mageia keeping Windows or Ubuntu 21:38:29 <papoteur> s/uninstalling 21:38:42 <lebarhon> papoteur: because it is true 21:39:12 <lebarhon> nothing in the manual about the UEFI mode 21:39:58 <papoteur> lebarhon: I don't think we can be more precise than what Lewis said, because at one step (NVRAM) is specific to hardware. 21:40:04 <lebarhon> In Lagacy mode, there is a menu in the classical DVD with 'Rescue" and then "Re-write boot loader" 21:41:11 <lebarhon> remove Mageia's NVRAM entry. That need some details 21:41:42 <lebarhon> We have tools for that 21:41:48 <papoteur> I think efibootmanager can be used to delete the nvram. 21:42:24 <lebarhon> yes, Lewis didn't say it 21:43:13 <apb> I have never bothered with UEFI. And I don't have Windows either. 21:43:16 <papoteur> Ok, we agree, thus. lebarhon, you can't check that with you hardware, If I understand? 21:43:16 <lebarhon> anyway, we have to think to it for Mageia 7 21:44:09 <lebarhon> No, unless to uninstall Mageia on a computer with twice Mageia 21:44:15 <yurchor> Sorry to interrupt, but can I go to sleep? I have a lecture in the morning, students will get angry if I am sleepy... ;) 21:44:38 <lebarhon> good night yurchor 21:44:48 <papoteur> yurchor: yes, you can, of course. 21:44:53 <apb> Night yurchor :) 21:44:58 <yurchor> Godd night guys. Thanks for the meeting. 21:45:02 <papoteur> yurchor: good night 21:46:38 <papoteur> I wonder if virtualbox can be used for such tries. 21:46:45 <lebarhon> May be we could find something more simple with Grubcustomizer, I never checked 21:47:11 <lebarhon> even with VB, you need Windows 21:47:47 <papoteur> lebarhon: hum, I scratched it too :/ 21:49:09 <apb> And I am a one distro guy now :) 21:49:22 <lebarhon> We have just to hope that with UEFI, there is no more bad consequences when uninstalling a system 21:49:53 <papoteur> I don't have hardware dedicated for test. 21:51:43 <papoteur> lebarhon: no I think there no risk. It's like a shunt, the computer will no more use the Mageia way, it's all. 21:52:43 <papoteur> lebarhon: I will try to write something, anyway. 21:53:15 <papoteur> I think it is late. 21:54:16 <lebarhon> yes, next meeting in a month, January the 7 21:54:24 <papoteur> doktor5000: Hello. What do you think about this page : https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_add_a_new_Window_Manager_or_Display_Manager 21:54:51 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes, I agree 21:55:18 <apb> Ok 21:55:19 <lebarhon> well merry Christmas and good night 21:55:25 <apb> :) 21:55:48 <papoteur> lebarhon: good night and happy Christmas. 21:56:03 <apb> Night all - and Peace :) 21:56:14 <papoteur> apb: for you too ;) 21:56:19 <lebarhon> bye and thank you for the meeting 21:56:29 <papoteur> #endmeeting