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20:03:55 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon apb yurchor
20:03:55 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: apb lebarhon papoteur yurchor
20:04:33 <papoteur> lebarhon give us some topics
20:05:27 <papoteur> #topic Wiki pages to revise
20:05:43 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Pages_to_revise/archive
20:06:54 <papoteur> How deal we with it at the moment? Do we review the list
20:06:57 <papoteur> ?
20:08:35 <papoteur> I didn't have lot of time to read it, for now, I'm quite busy with Mageiawelcome.
20:09:06 <lebarhon> We have to decide whhat to put in archive
20:09:35 <lebarhon> old doesn't mean bad
20:11:31 <papoteur> OK. First candidate https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Amazon_EC2_Mageia
20:11:31 <lebarhon> I think old + outdated + doubloon - archive
20:12:28 <lebarhon> do you want to review each page ?
20:13:05 <papoteur> lebarhon: no
20:13:14 <lebarhon> ouf !
20:13:35 <papoteur> lebarhon: pages tagged for deletion or not decided?
20:14:09 <papoteur> lebarhon: you can say also how you imagine to proceed.
20:14:35 <yurchor> It did not semm to configure LIRC ~8 years ago when I had TV-tuner (AVER Media 507)... LIRC page is not very informative either.
20:14:49 <yurchor> *seem hard
20:15:26 <apb> Sorry to interrupt, but do I appear to have 'voice' ( no granted msg, and Avatar does not show granted)?
20:16:00 <yurchor> apb:: Seems so.
20:16:14 <apb> Ah - strange. thanks.
20:16:46 <papoteur> yurchor: what do you refer to?
20:16:46 <lebarhon> apb: you appear as a sub user on the list
20:17:01 <yurchor> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/LIRC
20:17:19 <papoteur> Ah
20:18:09 <papoteur> Ok for archiving
20:18:16 <lebarhon> Ok
20:19:17 <apb> lebarhon: Had to re-register earlier
20:19:22 <papoteur> Amazon is old but perhaps still useful. I think to keep.
20:20:14 <lebarhon> we don't know if it is good for Mga 6
20:20:48 <papoteur> No
20:22:34 <papoteur> However, I don't imagine that this work go into trash
20:23:18 <lebarhon> an Amazon count is needed to test
20:23:28 <papoteur> yes :/
20:23:39 <lebarhon> We can keep as iit is
20:23:45 <lebarhon> *it
20:24:18 <papoteur> Perhaps adding warning about the oldness of it
20:24:31 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Available_locales
20:25:03 <papoteur> I agree, no big interest, and surely not uptodate.
20:26:40 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Bluefish
20:26:50 <papoteur> no interest
20:27:36 <lebarhon> the page is empty
20:29:18 <yurchor> Bluefish has nice homepage and docs by itself.
20:29:34 <papoteur> yurchor: surely
20:29:48 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Create_a_mirror_inside_your_corporate_network
20:30:25 <papoteur> I think to keep, seems useful, even of poorly worked.
20:32:22 <lebarhon> very poorly :)
20:34:32 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_add_a_new_Window_Manager_or_Display_Manager
20:34:50 <papoteur> No idea of its value
20:35:41 <lebarhon> no update since 2012
20:37:12 <papoteur> It was written by doktor5000. We can ask him his advice.
20:37:28 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_do_some_easy_commands
20:37:34 <papoteur> Ok for deletion
20:38:48 <lebarhon> OK
20:39:11 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_install_minicom
20:39:44 <papoteur> Very poor value. Ok for archiving
20:41:15 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Installing_Mageia
20:41:21 <papoteur> Ok for archiving
20:42:21 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Install_java_oracle
20:42:36 <papoteur> For me, to keep.
20:43:14 <lebarhon> Do we still need Oracle Java for Calenco ?
20:45:07 <papoteur> lebarhon: I don't remember.
20:45:28 <lebarhon> nevermind :)
20:46:43 <papoteur> I don't have it, and Calenco works fine
20:47:36 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mgasoft
20:47:56 <papoteur> To change the category, not in Documentation.
20:48:52 <lebarhon> Only Mageia tools
20:49:53 <papoteur> Yes
20:49:56 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Msec
20:50:24 <papoteur> Is it in doublon with our official documentation ?
20:50:53 <lebarhon> I didn't read everything
20:51:18 <lebarhon> it is more complete I think
20:51:45 <papoteur> what is more complete?
20:51:53 <lebarhon> the wiki page
20:52:41 <lebarhon> It is older, but security doesn't change often
20:52:53 <papoteur> lebarhon: I though you wrote the documentation being inspired by this page
20:53:20 <lebarhon> no but by the Mandriva doc inspired by this page
20:53:29 <papoteur> Ah
20:54:10 <papoteur> Thus we have to keep it.
20:54:22 <lebarhon> I think this page is the origine of the mandriva doc, not sure of course
20:54:22 <papoteur> And check for update
20:56:40 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Remaster_Mageia_Live_Media_Selfmade_ISO
20:57:00 <papoteur> I don't agree to delete it.
20:57:49 <papoteur> I think this method is still usable. Of course, need an update.
20:58:15 <apb> Rename? Remaster Mageia Live Media
20:59:22 <lebarhon> may be ask also to Doktor5000
20:59:29 <papoteur> apb: it's a good title
20:59:55 <apb> papoteur: The original title?
21:00:09 <papoteur> I maintained a equivalent page on MLO.
21:00:15 <papoteur> apb: no, yours
21:00:32 <apb> papoteur:  Oh :)
21:02:30 <papoteur> https://www.mageialinux-online.org/wiki/personnaliser-une-image-live
21:03:08 <lebarhon> Where do you see this page ?
21:03:22 <lebarhon> Sorry, MLO
21:05:30 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Speeding_up_KDE
21:05:46 <papoteur> I agree to archive.
21:08:21 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Usershare_with_samba
21:08:50 <papoteur> Not a good place in wiki, but in bugzilla, if still valid.
21:10:44 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/XFCE_desktop
21:11:14 <papoteur> I wonder if some information is to put in "first step" page.
21:11:25 <papoteur> before deleting.
21:11:49 <lebarhon> Xfce changed their menu last year
21:12:04 <papoteur> Ah
21:12:39 <papoteur> Thus, the explanations are not accurate?
21:12:47 <lebarhon> the layout changed even iif I think we still can have the old one
21:13:48 <lebarhon> Last Sc are from 2012
21:13:57 <papoteur> :/
21:15:01 <lebarhon> current menu is called Whisker
21:15:51 <yurchor> For me the biggest speed up of KDE now is when our developers broke Akonadi and Baloo together with incompatible MariaDB. :)
21:16:11 <yurchor> In Mageia 7, I meant.
21:16:13 <papoteur> Ok, the "first step" page seems consistent.
21:16:50 <papoteur> yurchor: :/
21:17:08 <papoteur> yurchor: is this repaired?
21:17:33 <yurchor> The main problem of KDE Plasma is Baloo, for now. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400704
21:17:34 <[mbot> [ 400704 – Baloo indexing I/O introduces serious noticable delays ]
21:17:37 <lebarhon> papoteur: Yes, The old page was already there when I wrote "First step"
21:17:55 <yurchor> papoteur: No. And I'm happy.
21:18:08 <papoteur> :D
21:18:19 <apb> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_ask_help  Could do with renaming: How to ask for help
21:19:18 <lebarhon> more correct? you can change the title
21:19:33 <papoteur> apb: You surely know better as me ;)
21:19:38 <lebarhon> Or I will do if you prefer
21:19:52 <apb> Ok
21:20:24 <papoteur> lebarhon: Thus Ok for archiving the XFCE page.
21:21:07 <lebarhon> OK, I will execute the decisions
21:21:11 <papoteur> Thus we completed the review, did we?
21:21:22 <yurchor> To sum up https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Speeding_up_KDE is outdated and confusing even for Mageia 5
21:21:53 <lebarhon> Do we say we finished this topic?
21:22:43 <papoteur> yurchor: I think so.
21:23:02 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes
21:23:56 <apb> As it may not be too long before Mga7 release, I guess you might call meetings if needed between the regular scheduled meetings?
21:24:10 <papoteur> Do we continue for the second topic?
21:24:14 <papoteur> Mageia 7 manuals, new features
21:24:42 <lebarhon> I think new features aren't really
21:26:10 <lebarhon> Will Mageia 7 really shipped with Refind and DNF by default?
21:26:12 <papoteur> We have to check with Martin Whitaker for the Live, if somethink he did is visible.
21:26:37 <papoteur> Dnf by default : no
21:27:21 <lebarhon> Grub2 for Live by default?
21:27:24 <papoteur> Refind: I haven't heard something about it.
21:27:45 <lebarhon> Refind is in the accepted features
21:28:58 <papoteur> this is a question for Martin, too.
21:29:13 <papoteur> I will ask him.
21:30:05 <lebarhon> Is he the Dev leader?
21:30:45 <papoteur> lebarhon: no, the isobuilder
21:30:58 <lebarhon> OK thanks
21:31:02 <apb> GRUB2 shows @ 100% in Mga features.
21:31:14 <apb> ....Mga7
21:32:03 <papoteur> lebarhon: you said "uninstalling in UEFI"...
21:32:44 <lebarhon> Yes it is an old topic
21:33:32 <lebarhon> Number 13 in our agenda
21:34:09 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Docteam_meeting_agenda_submissions
21:34:42 <lebarhon> We still have no method to unsinstall Mageia, but we say it is easy and it is a Mageia advantage
21:36:53 <papoteur> What Lewis said is correct, I think
21:37:51 <papoteur> lebarhon: why do you say we have no method for unstalling?
21:38:28 <lebarhon> yes but not detailed enough and I don't have a computer where I could try to uninstall Mageia keeping Windows or Ubuntu
21:38:29 <papoteur> s/uninstalling
21:38:42 <lebarhon> papoteur: because it is true
21:39:12 <lebarhon> nothing in the manual about the UEFI mode
21:39:58 <papoteur> lebarhon: I don't think we can be more precise than what Lewis said, because at one step (NVRAM) is specific to hardware.
21:40:04 <lebarhon> In  Lagacy mode, there is a menu in the classical DVD  with 'Rescue" and then "Re-write boot loader"
21:41:11 <lebarhon> remove Mageia's NVRAM entry. That need some details
21:41:42 <lebarhon> We have tools for that
21:41:48 <papoteur> I think efibootmanager can be used to delete the nvram.
21:42:24 <lebarhon> yes, Lewis didn't say it
21:43:13 <apb> I have never bothered with UEFI. And I don't have Windows either.
21:43:16 <papoteur> Ok, we agree, thus. lebarhon, you can't check that with you hardware, If I understand?
21:43:16 <lebarhon> anyway, we have to think to it for Mageia 7
21:44:09 <lebarhon> No, unless to uninstall Mageia on a computer with twice Mageia
21:44:15 <yurchor> Sorry to interrupt, but can I go to sleep? I have a lecture in the morning, students will get angry if I am sleepy... ;)
21:44:38 <lebarhon> good night yurchor
21:44:48 <papoteur> yurchor: yes, you can, of course.
21:44:53 <apb> Night yurchor :)
21:44:58 <yurchor> Godd night guys. Thanks for the meeting.
21:45:02 <papoteur> yurchor: good night
21:46:38 <papoteur> I wonder if virtualbox can be used for such tries.
21:46:45 <lebarhon> May be we could find something more simple with Grubcustomizer, I never checked
21:47:11 <lebarhon> even with VB, you need Windows
21:47:47 <papoteur> lebarhon: hum, I scratched it too :/
21:49:09 <apb> And I am a one distro guy now :)
21:49:22 <lebarhon> We have just to hope that with UEFI, there is no more bad consequences when uninstalling a system
21:49:53 <papoteur> I don't have hardware dedicated for test.
21:51:43 <papoteur> lebarhon: no I think there no risk. It's like a shunt, the computer will no more use the Mageia way, it's all.
21:52:43 <papoteur> lebarhon: I will try to write something, anyway.
21:53:15 <papoteur> I think it is late.
21:54:16 <lebarhon> yes, next meeting in a month, January the 7
21:54:24 <papoteur> doktor5000: Hello. What do you think about this page : https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_add_a_new_Window_Manager_or_Display_Manager
21:54:51 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes, I agree
21:55:18 <apb> Ok
21:55:19 <lebarhon> well merry Christmas and good night
21:55:25 <apb> :)
21:55:48 <papoteur> lebarhon: good night and happy Christmas.
21:56:03 <apb> Night all - and Peace :)
21:56:14 <papoteur> apb: for you too ;)
21:56:19 <lebarhon> bye and thank you for the meeting
21:56:29 <papoteur> #endmeeting