19:13:19 <papoteur_> #startmeeting 19:13:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Jun 18 19:13:19 2018 UTC. The chair is papoteur_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:13:19 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:13:31 <papoteur_> Ok, bot is ready 19:14:02 <papoteur_> I have a topic with publications for 6.1 19:14:28 <papoteur_> Other topic? 19:14:41 <lebarhon> The wiki main page 19:14:42 <papoteur_> or topics 19:14:47 <papoteur_> OK 19:15:07 <papoteur_> apb? 19:15:27 <apb> Nothing from me thanks 19:15:29 <lebarhon> I think we should add our topics here https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Docteam_meeting_agenda_submissions 19:16:00 <apb> lebarhon: yes 19:16:45 <papoteur_> (http doesn't seem accessible here :( ) 19:17:16 <papoteur_> #chair lebarhon apb yurchor 19:17:16 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: apb lebarhon papoteur_ yurchor 19:17:41 <lebarhon> everyone is chair :) 19:17:51 <yurchor> :) 19:18:24 <papoteur_> I have to disconnect and reconnect 19:19:43 <lebarhon> hi papoteur_:) 19:19:44 <papoteur> coming back 19:20:05 <papoteur> #topic new publications 19:20:10 <lebarhon> is it better 19:20:16 <papoteur> yes 19:21:05 <papoteur> I have pushed all actual manuals on svn 19:21:55 <papoteur> Ihave uppdated .desktop files to add the Settings category. Actually, there was only Documentation one. 19:22:16 <papoteur> In KDE, the Documentation category is not displayed. 19:22:58 <papoteur_> I don't know for the other DE 19:23:53 <papoteur_> With Settings added, I found an menu entry in "Tools" section. 19:24:55 <papoteur_> I have added also a .desktop for adding an entry in khelpcenter. 19:25:32 <papoteur_> Now, I need to find a packager to finish the work. 19:26:03 <papoteur_> here is the status. 19:27:06 <papoteur_> Some questions? 19:27:26 <lebarhon> I never noticed I have no documentation entry in the KDE menu 19:28:13 <papoteur_> lebarhon: because it is not dislayed, indeed. And this is not wanted. 19:28:46 <lebarhon> it was working with Mageia 5 19:28:52 <papoteur_> Lxqt doesn't have it neither. 19:29:20 <lebarhon> is it a packaging problem? 19:29:30 <papoteur_> lebarhon: I presume, but can not be sure. 19:29:53 <lebarhon> or another Plasma one 19:30:32 <papoteur_> lebarhon: no I don't think packaging, but probably Plasma. Or Mageia ? 19:30:56 <marja> i just installed mageia-doc-mcc-nl and en in cauldron, and it appears fine in Xfce in the documentation tab of the app starters menu 19:31:07 <marja> they appear fine 19:31:41 <papoteur_> marja: thanks for this confirmation. Mageia 6? 19:31:50 <marja> papoteur_: cauldron ;-) 19:32:01 <papoteur_> :D 19:32:19 <papoteur_> Thus, not a valid test :) 19:33:12 <papoteur_> but this confirm that the Documentation category disappears from KDE but not from XFCE. 19:33:35 <marja> papoteur_: well, the packages were the Mageia 6 packages, so it is a Plasma issue 19:33:46 <lebarhon> With Mageia 6 I have no doc in Xfce 19:34:16 <marja> lebarhon: that's weird :-/ 19:34:17 <papoteur_> lebarhon: no doc installed? 19:34:35 <lebarhon> it should be installed by default 19:35:00 <marja> lebarhon: it wasn't installed here, either, I had to install it 19:35:17 <lebarhon> I make a yty 19:35:22 <lebarhon> a try 19:36:37 <papoteur_> I looked at images of Plasma menu, none had Documentation or Help entry. 19:36:59 <papoteur_> in either distro. 19:37:41 <lebarhon> Yes it is working in Xfce, but not by default 19:37:43 <yurchor> +1 and no "Documentation" message in the whole KDE translation catalog now... 19:39:02 <papoteur_> OK 19:39:51 <papoteur_> A bug is filed on our bugzilla, but perhaps it can also be filed on kde.org 19:40:59 <papoteur_> Next topic ? 19:41:15 <yurchor> Yes. It's a KDE bug. Somebody forget to put a desktop file in /menu catalog of plasma-workspace repo... 19:41:23 <lebarhon> I checked with Plasma here, it really doesn't work 19:42:20 <yurchor> We can try to patch Plasma... 19:42:40 <yurchor> Just one desktop file... 19:42:44 <papoteur_> yurchor: do you know what is to do ? 19:43:15 <yurchor> Yes. 19:43:38 <yurchor> I will try to file a bug report later. 19:44:54 <papoteur_> yurchor: OK. I will look for our report later 19:46:23 <yurchor> I can commit changes by myself but it should be better to file the bug report and make it to be more correct fix. 19:47:35 <papoteur_> OK yurchor, I leave the choice of action 19:48:23 <papoteur_> #topic wiki main page 19:48:44 <yurchor> On the other hand, there is no "Documentation" category inthe Free Desktop standard... https://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html 19:48:46 <[mbot> [ A. Registered Categories ] 19:48:48 <papoteur_> We have proposition from zalappy 19:49:13 <lebarhon> We have all the material but no operator 19:49:46 <yurchor> Maybe we can patch our package, just for us? I no nothing about other distributions with such a good docs as ours... 19:50:07 <papoteur_> :) 19:50:43 <papoteur_> yurchor: because I don't know where to put the documentation, either. 19:51:10 <lebarhon> Documentation is in the additionnal category 19:52:16 <yurchor> lebarhon: A-ha! Thanks. So I will try to fix upstream first. 19:53:18 <papoteur_> yurchor: thanks 19:54:04 <papoteur_> lebarhon: filip made a remark about the format not being in wiki format, isn't it? 19:54:45 <lebarhon> format of what ? zalappy doc ? 19:54:59 <papoteur_> yes 19:55:45 <lebarhon> I don't know what it is about, images are png or jpeg or svg 19:56:14 <lebarhon> there is no wiki format 19:56:44 <papoteur_> What is sure is that the page has a good look :) 19:58:20 <lebarhon> and text is txt, what is not in the right format? 20:00:20 <marja> lebarhon: wasn't he referring to the wiki stylesheet? 20:01:04 <papoteur_> I didn't had a look to what he sent in the zip file. 20:01:13 <marja> lebarhon: some of the proposed changes (the header, footer, sidebar) can't be don by normal wiki editing 20:01:37 <lebarhon> zalappy didn't give a stylsheet, he only modify a little the current one 20:03:14 <lebarhon> marja: it is the reason foor what he didn't make the change himself 20:03:30 <marja> I think it is best to first start with the normal changes, that don't need editing of the stylesheet 20:04:42 <lebarhon> and the other changes will never happen, look at the German wiki, it is totally roten for years 20:05:43 <marja> lebarhon: ouch! I had forgotten about that... is there a bug report? 20:06:24 <marja> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20771 20:06:26 <[mbot> [ 20771 – German and France Wiki unreadable ] 20:06:33 <marja> well, It's not unreadable 20:06:52 <marja> but it isn't good at all, yet :-( 20:06:53 <lebarhon> not unreadable, worst 20:08:04 <papoteur_> Who can help zalappy? I'm not competent. 20:08:29 <papoteur_> filip, leuhmanu 20:09:29 <papoteur_> ? 20:10:17 <lebarhon> Who update the wiki? 20:11:19 <papoteur_> stormi? 20:11:39 <marja> maybe neoclust 20:11:49 <marja> I put him in the CC of that bug report 20:13:46 <papoteur_> Is the proposition only for the main page, or have the modifications have impact also on the look of other pages. 20:14:09 <lebarhon> Only the main page, 20:14:34 <lebarhon> because when you see it, the other pages doesn't matter, nobody see them 20:14:36 <marja> papoteur_: the sidebar, footer and header would be the same on other pages 20:14:57 <marja> papoteur_: unless some extra coding is done (dunno how much work that would be) 20:15:02 <yurchor> A sidenote (bug report against Plasma): https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395580 20:15:03 <[mbot> [ 395580 – Add an additional "Documentation" category to the Kicker ] 20:15:12 <marja> yurchor: thanks :-) 20:16:23 <papoteur_> yurchor: fine 20:18:33 <papoteur_> For zalappy's work, I don't know what we can do except saying loudly that we want to have it 20:19:47 <lebarhon> should we file a bug? 20:21:01 <papoteur_> I don't know. Is it more useful for this work? 20:21:15 <marja> if no one has time to do the part that can be done by simply editing the front page, then I don't think we should ask someone to adjust the stylesheet 20:22:15 <marja> so I think it is better to wait till someone found time to do the edits a normal user with edit rights can do 20:23:01 <marja> and only then file a bug report for the rest 20:23:22 <lebarhon> there is not much a normal user can do, just add 6 images 20:25:25 <marja> lebarhon: and the blue (can't find the word) thick lines in between the six fields 20:26:09 <lebarhon> the blue frames? may be 20:26:15 <marja> yeah 20:27:09 <lebarhon> not sure it is frames, may be backgroung 20:28:02 <lebarhon> there is a light shadow 20:28:41 <marja> the background of the body is white, footer and side panel have blue that becomes pale when going up 20:28:54 <marja> lebarhon: you're right, there's a shadow 20:29:18 <marja> I still think that's the frame, though ;-) 20:29:58 <lebarhon> I will have a look after my vacation 20:30:09 <marja> lebarhon: thanks :-) 20:30:22 <lebarhon> for the 6 images ! 20:30:38 <marja> lebarhon: fine! 20:31:17 <papoteur_> Thanks. 20:31:30 <lebarhon> but it will be the last wiki improvement for years... 20:33:17 <papoteur_> Is there other topic 20:33:20 <papoteur_> ? 20:33:30 <lebarhon> not here 20:33:41 <marja> neither here 20:33:48 <apb> "shadow". Do you mean the border shadow on each of the six sections 20:33:50 <apb> Did you forget to apply profile.condition=classical to the NetInstall manuals (Mga7)? 20:33:52 <apb> See here for duplicate text regarding language choice: https://docteam.mageia.org.uk/Mga7/en/netinstall/content/netStageTwo.html#selectLanguage 20:33:53 <[mbot> [ Stage 2 (Installation Stage) ] 20:34:06 <apb> ,,,, papoteur_ 20:34:53 <lebarhon> tyes about the shadow 20:34:57 <apb> Sorry - 2 questions in one 20:35:22 <papoteur_> apb: checking 20:36:23 <papoteur_> apb: yes, forgoten :( 20:37:00 <apb> papoteur_: :) 20:37:12 <apb> I did the shadow prior to Zalappy work. 20:37:16 <lebarhon> apb: you are right, a line need to be deleted 20:37:42 <papoteur_> #action Papoteur add profile=classical for netinstall publications. 20:38:19 <apb> Ah, I was not sure if you were on about the border shadow or the background gradient itself. 20:38:46 <lebarhon> apb: the shadow isn't in the background 20:39:25 <apb> lebarhon: do you mean the blue gradient? 20:39:58 <lebarhon> no the plain blue 20:40:27 <lebarhon> we don't know if it is a bleu BK or frame 20:40:40 <lebarhon> *blue 20:43:06 <apb> The blue background behind the six sections is a gradieant. 20:43:18 <apb> ~gradient. 20:44:10 <papoteur_> I think it is time to close the meeting, isn't it ? 20:44:32 <apb> One quick question? 20:44:37 <papoteur_> yes 20:44:59 <apb> Is it Filip alone, who is able or has the time to consider/apply suggested edits to Mageia web pages? 20:45:40 <papoteur_> apb: no, there is also leuhmanu 20:46:19 <apb> Ah ok. Thanks. 20:46:23 <papoteur_> but not well present 20:46:46 <apb> Oh, so mostly Filip then? 20:48:19 <apb> Thanks. No more questions. 20:48:42 <papoteur_> Ok, thus, closing ? 20:48:48 <lebarhon> Ok 20:48:53 <apb> Ok for me. 20:49:10 <papoteur_> #endmeeting