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20:03:42 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon
20:03:42 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lebarhon papoteur
20:04:01 <papoteur> #topic New member
20:04:31 <papoteur> harms_: you're welcome to the doc team !
20:04:36 <lebarhon> 30% newcomes in the meeting !
20:04:52 <papoteur> ;)
20:04:56 <lebarhon> *newcomers
20:05:21 <papoteur> We can do a tour of presentation
20:06:30 <papoteur> i'm coleader of the docteam with lebarhon. I live near Metz/France.
20:07:07 <papoteur> I'm not in IT business but use Mageia since the 1 release.
20:07:35 <harms_> I was a computer scientist in Geneva, and very active in academic networking
20:07:41 <harms_> now way in retirement
20:08:25 <harms_> Living in Geneva, but grew up in Gmunden (Austria)
20:08:27 <papoteur> harms_: great. Not yet for me, I have to wait more than one decade.
20:08:45 <lebarhon> coleader as said by papoteur, I lilve in Cherbourg Normandy and with Mageia since the beginning. Linux since 2005.
20:08:54 <yurchor> Hi! It is nice that Doc Team is now bigger. ;)
20:09:05 <lebarhon> No IT skills :(
20:09:11 <papoteur> yurchor: welcome !
20:09:48 <papoteur> harms_: which language do you know?
20:09:58 <papoteur> s/languages
20:10:36 <harms_> German, English., French
20:10:51 <lebarhon> harms_: do you have some "exotic" hardware ?
20:11:00 <harms_> No Swiss german (-
20:11:15 <papoteur> ;)
20:11:26 <harms_> Plain desktop and laptop
20:12:00 <harms_> but exotic CAN microprocessors programmed on Linux
20:12:13 <papoteur> we worked with lebarhon on the official documentation, but some part is lacking because of hardware.
20:12:51 <papoteur> harms_: they don't use Mageia, are thet?
20:13:52 <harms_> Not (yet) - 4k ram is probably too restrictive. Programming = C + lib + make
20:14:03 <lebarhon> I asked about exotic because we are out of idea to end writing the MCC help
20:14:10 <papoteur> I think that documentation is a very important part of a software, as it can decide to adopt or not such software.
20:15:06 <harms_> Maybe I can contribute a little bit, but my time (and health) are limited
20:15:07 <papoteur> the documentation add a great value to any software
20:15:49 <papoteur> harms_: you already done a great job on communication with android devices.
20:16:39 <papoteur> which topics do we have?
20:17:00 <papoteur> I have the Live Installer doc.
20:17:27 <papoteur> lebarhon: harms_ have you others?
20:18:32 <harms_> Presently working on emacs customization guide (originally meant as migration from Xemacs)
20:18:53 <papoteur> harms_: yes I saw
20:19:12 <papoteur> #topic emacs customization guide
20:19:22 <lebarhon> not for me
20:19:40 <papoteur> No sure we can help you.
20:20:01 <papoteur> harms_: have you somme difficulties?
20:20:24 <harms_> not going too much into detail and nevertheless be helpful
20:20:56 <harms_> A first complete version is nearly ready (but I will be a couple of days offline)
20:21:31 <harms_> when it is ready, would like to have some feedback on the general scope
20:21:50 <papoteur> harms_: take the time you need.
20:22:13 <papoteur> qui va lentement va longtemps ;)
20:22:45 <papoteur> harms_: OK
20:23:25 <papoteur> lebarhon: you updated also some wiki pages
20:23:53 <lebarhon> Don't rly on me
20:23:53 <lebarhon> *rely
20:23:54 * lebarhon just thought of a new topic
20:24:10 <harms_> re lacking general mageia doc: are there any particularly urgencies?
20:26:11 <papoteur> we have two todo lists
20:26:13 <papoteur> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Docteam_Todo_list
20:26:38 <papoteur> and https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_TODO_page
20:26:55 <harms_> Will look at them (not now)
20:27:45 <papoteur> they are perhaps not uptodate, but I think they are realist.
20:27:59 <papoteur> harms_: OK
20:29:01 <lebarhon> updated or created, one about input method and the other about Grub2-efi
20:29:08 <papoteur> lebarhon: have you special todo to point out?
20:29:21 <lebarhon> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Input_methods
20:29:27 <lebarhon> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Grub2-efi_and_Mageia
20:30:51 <lebarhon> I thing the urgent thing should be to finish the "official doc" but we can't :(
20:30:57 <papoteur> Already great for input methods
20:31:56 <papoteur> harms_: we use a tool which manage our official doc in docbook format, named Calenco.
20:32:33 <harms_> I have seen it mentioned - so far did not invest - should I
20:32:52 <papoteur> it's a java/web interface. We write pages in xml format, using xxe
20:33:32 <lebarhon> The topic I thought 10 mn ago was about the todo lists
20:33:44 <papoteur> It's your choice. It can be interesting for you and for us, I think.
20:34:57 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes
20:35:16 <lebarhon> Two lists are may be too much and they aren't either clear or "sexy"
20:35:43 <lebarhon> More over a todo list is always moving and not easy to follow
20:35:56 <harms_> I now had a look: the lists appear very flat
20:36:24 <papoteur> Yes can be better.
20:36:33 <lebarhon> I tried to find out something more relevant but didn't
20:37:19 <lebarhon> the todo list update is the problem
20:37:50 <lebarhon> it should be updated every week
20:37:50 <papoteur> When I wrote the wiki todo list, I added also what it was already written, thus the list is long.
20:38:37 <papoteur> it is perhaps two years old :/
20:38:48 <harms_> The list is speaking - and so large that having duplicates or misses is not a dramatic issue.
20:39:06 <lebarhon> may be we put too many things on it ?
20:39:28 <harms_> I mean by flat: make urgently needed topcs stand out
20:39:37 <harms_> *topics
20:40:08 <papoteur> we have top whises https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_TODO_page#Top_wishes
20:40:34 <harms_> learning
20:41:17 <papoteur> they can be discussed of course.
20:42:24 <papoteur> I see that lebarhon is just working on one of the top ;)
20:43:03 <harms_> Does docteam get (usable) user feedback on needs, highs and lows?
20:43:34 <lebarhon> papoteur: and the funny part is that I am far from an expert
20:43:45 <papoteur> ;)
20:44:11 <lebarhon> I rely on real experts to check it
20:44:44 <papoteur> doktor5000_ gives us sometime some indication on lacks he see on forum.
20:45:02 <papoteur> barjac is one.
20:45:04 <lebarhon> input methods was one of them
20:46:04 <papoteur> OK. harms_ you can explore our poor lists ;)
20:46:38 <papoteur> next topic?
20:46:52 <lebarhon> ok for me
20:46:54 <harms_> certainly will do
20:47:13 <papoteur> #topic Live install documentation
20:47:47 <lebarhon> papoteur: did a great job
20:47:57 <papoteur> In previous topic we said that I ask for proof reading for qa-list
20:48:18 <papoteur> http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/draklive/content/
20:48:55 <papoteur> I had some comments:
20:48:57 <papoteur> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/qa-discuss/2015-11/msg00124.html
20:49:16 <papoteur> https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/qa-discuss/2015-11/msg00128.html
20:50:02 <papoteur> Lewis said he will read more, but I think we must ping it ;)
20:51:53 <papoteur> First comments are not on the new parts, but on previous pages from classical installer.
20:52:44 <papoteur> I don't figure out if we can push the documentation now, or if we should wait for more checking.
20:53:11 <harms_> My live install experience is "read-only" - maybe I could comment on general issues
20:53:29 <harms_> (after I got rid of the Emacs page)
20:54:01 <papoteur> harms_: yes, it can be helpful.
20:54:22 <lebarhon> The screen below instead of above and the 8GO instead of GB
20:55:23 <lebarhon> It may still have some typos, but nothing important
20:55:24 <papoteur> what it is interesting with calenco is that the Live manual can have some pages already written for classical, with just some part adapted.
20:56:08 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes it's easy.
20:57:28 <papoteur> We can perhaps wait for the next round of ISO testing, such that testers can compare with the documentation.
20:58:15 <lebarhon> I think we should push the documentation for the alpha release
20:58:44 <lebarhon> testing the doc is part of the whole tests
20:58:56 <harms_> sounds great - but do testers have time during the testing phase? - ask them
20:59:28 <lebarhon> tester are many, not like docteam :)
21:00:01 <papoteur> lebarhon: this is no more alpha, but development snapshot. (but it's the same)
21:00:28 <papoteur> harms_: I hope.
21:00:28 <psyca> will it be available to translate in "alpha release" or then later releases because maybe of some/many changes?
21:00:44 <papoteur> hello psyca !
21:00:55 <psyca> hi papoteur
21:01:55 <papoteur> I think that first snapshot will be in one week or two. We can't have translations at this time.
21:02:06 <psyca> ok
21:02:40 <papoteur> We have to validate the new manual and push it on transifex.
21:03:11 <lebarhon> we can add changes in each "schtroumpf snapshots"
21:03:30 <papoteur> A new package will include only the English version, I think.
21:03:49 <papoteur> lebarhon: ;)
21:04:21 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes. But we need to find a packager who can do that.
21:05:00 <papoteur> Actually only passmat done it, but he is not often availble this time.
21:05:20 <papoteur> s/available
21:06:28 <papoteur> We said prevous meeting that marja asks to passmat, but I don't know if she done it.
21:06:34 <papoteur> http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-doc/2015/mageia-doc.2015-11-12-19.55.html
21:06:50 <papoteur> s/previous
21:07:59 <papoteur> I will try to push the process, asking first Lewis, then passmat or david_david.
21:08:42 <papoteur> In the meantime, we can also read a new time ;)
21:09:11 <papoteur> For me, it's OK.
21:09:34 <papoteur> more on this topic?
21:10:20 <papoteur> Other topics?
21:11:33 <papoteur> OK. Thus I think we can close.
21:11:38 <doktor5000_> papoteur: harms_ : yeah but most of the time people don't read documentation :p
21:11:49 <lebarhon> everybody is gone ?
21:11:56 <papoteur> doktor5000_: are you sure ;)
21:12:15 <harms_> still here - but nothing to say
21:12:30 <papoteur> #endmeeting