19:55:22 <papoteur> #startmeeting 19:55:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Nov 12 19:55:22 2015 UTC. The chair is papoteur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:55:22 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:55:40 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon marja11 19:55:40 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon marja11 papoteur 19:55:54 <papoteur> Hello all. 19:56:16 <psyca> Hi @ all 19:56:38 <papoteur> I sent some topics: todo from previous meeting 19:56:49 <papoteur> Draklive manual 19:57:02 <papoteur> Do you have some other to add? 19:58:01 <lebarhon> Un-installing Mageia 19:58:01 <marja11> I only want to say that I didn't write my proposal for the keyboard choice screen help, yet 19:58:14 <marja11> but it's on my todo list 19:58:24 <papoteur> #topic todo from previous meeting 19:58:39 <papoteur> marja11: OK. This not a problem ;) 19:59:46 <papoteur> I have changed the picture names from dx3* to live* for Live manual 20:00:03 <marja11> psyca: I deleted the 2nd screenshot 20:00:18 <marja11> papoteur: thx 20:00:41 <psyca> thx marja11 ... 20:00:41 <papoteur> I updated also the wiki pages https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Calenco_publications 20:00:57 <papoteur> and https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_write_and_translate_Mageia_doc 20:01:29 <papoteur> for conditional publication. 20:01:45 <marja11> thx 20:02:04 <papoteur> But I don't worked on Uninstall page :( 20:02:32 <lebarhon> wrote that https://wiki.mageia.org/en/User:Lebarhon 20:03:02 <marja11> lebarhon: that is for non-UEFI installs, correct, or did I misread? 20:03:20 <lebarhon> it is for UEFI installs 20:03:31 <marja11> lebarhon: I'll reread it later 20:04:08 <lebarhon> it is only the main lines, without SC 20:04:48 <papoteur> lebarhon: OK, should we review them now? 20:04:52 <marja11> lebarhon: I can't try it out, because I don't have an UEFI system atm 20:05:29 <lebarhon> marja11: ask Santa Clauss, it is soon 20:05:52 <papoteur> :) 20:06:30 <papoteur> lebarhon: thanks for writing it :) 20:06:45 <lebarhon> I think we have time on that and we can detailed that by ml 20:06:55 <marja11> lebarhon: I'll ask Sinterklaas, that's on the 6th of December (even if many in my country think it is one day earlier) 20:07:26 <lebarhon> in France it is Saint Nicolas 20:07:29 <marja11> lebarhon: yes, thx for having written the page 20:07:29 <papoteur> lebarhon: OK 20:07:47 <marja11> lebarhon: I didn't know France knew him, too 20:08:08 <papoteur> Saint Nicolas has its own town in Lorraine. 20:08:18 <marja11> :-) 20:08:35 <papoteur> Near Nancy 20:09:16 <marja11> does he bring presents in France, too? 20:09:21 <papoteur> #action each one check https://wiki.mageia.org/en/User:Lebarhon for uninstalling Mageia 20:09:32 <marja11> dvg_i: wb 20:10:09 <papoteur> marja11: yes, but not a lot. Some pain d'épices and oranges. 20:10:18 <marja11> papoteur: still nice :-) 20:10:37 <lebarhon> Saint Nicolas is unknow in the France West and South 20:10:50 <marja11> ah 20:10:53 <papoteur> #topic Live install Manual 20:12:03 <papoteur> I have done some adaptations to select a specific picture for live in some pages. 20:12:08 <marja11> papoteur: I'm glad you wrote it to docteam.mageia.org 20:12:19 <lebarhon> I read it, it seems fine 20:12:33 <marja11> papoteur: yeah, like the keyboard choice... looks good 20:13:07 <papoteur> marja11: this page is with yours indications. 20:14:18 <lebarhon> for draklive, could we use the installer SC without the left part 20:14:35 <papoteur> I need yet some screenshots I can have. 20:15:07 <lebarhon> papoteur: you can crop the Installer SC 20:15:21 <marja11> lebarhon: sometimes the screens are really different, like the keyboard choice screen gives all keyboards without an Advanced button 20:15:25 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes, it's possible. 20:15:49 <papoteur> Much easier than to reproduce the situation to have the SC 20:16:13 <lebarhon> when the SC is different, the text page too 20:16:18 <marja11> but also a chance to get a screenshot that is wrong for the Live 20:16:39 <papoteur> I need http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/draklive/content/ask_mntpoint_s.html 20:16:40 <[mbot> [ Choose the mount points ] 20:16:54 <papoteur> and http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/draklive/content/takeOverHdConfirm.html 20:16:55 <[mbot> [ Confirm hard disk to be formatted ] 20:17:41 <marja11> I think the only way to be sure is to see the screens side by side 20:18:29 <marja11> I've been told diskdrake in installer isn't the same as diskdrake in MCC.... I think that the Live uses the MCC diskdrake 20:18:33 <papoteur> marja11: but for this ones, I can't get them with my partition table. 20:19:31 <marja11> papoteur: maybe we can ask iso testers for help? 20:19:49 <papoteur> marja11: I don't know. The SC seems very similar for the partitionning. 20:19:59 <marja11> papoteur: I 20:20:02 <marja11> oops 20:20:07 <papoteur> ;) 20:20:29 <lebarhon> I can do SC but they won't be homogeneaous with yours 20:20:42 <lebarhon> *homogeneqous 20:20:52 <lebarhon> *homogeneous 20:20:53 <marja11> I do not really remember what the partitioning step in a Live install contains 20:21:24 <papoteur> http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/draklive/content/doPartitionDisks.html 20:21:25 <[mbot> [ Partitioning ] 20:22:09 <papoteur> to compare with http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/installer/content/doPartitionDisks.html 20:22:10 <[mbot> [ Partitioning ] 20:22:14 <marja11> papoteur: tbh, I've never been aware that it had the same options as traditional installer :-[ 20:23:23 <marja11> but then I did 100x as many traditional installs than Live installs 20:23:25 <papoteur> I don't know why it should be different. 20:23:48 <marja11> papoteur: you're probably right, it's just my inexperience with Live installs 20:24:00 <papoteur> Yes, we have to ask to QA people 20:25:23 <marja11> on the ml, or at the end of their meeting? 20:25:30 <marja11> ml seems better to me 20:25:36 <papoteur> But in this case, crop the installer SC is fine. And perhaps use them also for the installer manual? 20:26:00 <papoteur> marja11: yes, ml 20:26:15 <marja11> papoteur: for the installer manual, i wouldn't want to crop them 20:27:30 <marja11> papoteur: not only because (in the beginning) we agreed to have 800x600px screenshots (and 800x??? when that's impossible) 20:28:09 <marja11> papoteur: but also because having the left panel in the screenshots makes them more like the screens the user sees 20:28:29 <papoteur> marja11: OK. 20:29:09 <lebarhon> to be perfect we should update the SC for each release 20:29:49 <papoteur> Ok, for the moment, I will crop the SC from installer to get the ones for Live manual. 20:29:50 <marja11> lebarhon: yep, and I mistakenly thought I'd do it for last release :-( 20:29:57 <marja11> papoteur: thx 20:30:25 <papoteur> After that, I think that the manual can be submitted to proofreading. 20:30:50 <marja11> nice 20:31:06 <papoteur> And think to the publication. 20:31:25 <marja11> and translation 20:31:51 <papoteur> What I don't know about is what is to do to have it on website and packaged. 20:32:18 <papoteur> marja11: yes, the translation is to do first. 20:32:51 <marja11> papoteur: packaging is for pasmatt, but he is MIA 20:33:03 <marja11> papoteur: website is for filip_ and grenoya 20:33:14 <lebarhon> MIA? 20:33:20 <marja11> Missing in action 20:33:36 <lebarhon> marja11: you did the army ? 20:33:36 <papoteur> disparu des écrans ;) 20:34:09 <marja11> he has to travel far for his job each day, and doesn't have energy for Mageia when he's finally home 20:34:11 <papoteur> lebarhon: ;) 20:35:03 <marja11> lebarhon: no, not even the salvation army :-) 20:35:36 <lebarhon> Only the OSS army 20:35:43 <marja11> :-) 20:36:21 <papoteur> lebarhon: It's to me not to understand OSS, this time. 20:36:43 <lebarhon> Open Source Software :) 20:37:15 <papoteur> But it's not army ! ;) 20:37:26 <marja11> I'll try to ping pasmatt, maybe things are changing for the better, or maybe he'll agree to let others work on his package 20:37:49 <lebarhon> papoteur: l'armée des braves 20:38:31 <papoteur> marja11: OK. It's not urgent matter, I think we have to get some translations before. 20:39:11 <marja11> papoteur: well, it is a bit urgent, because some translations that are on doc.mageia.org since Mga5 are still not packaged 20:39:12 <papoteur> At least in French, German and perhaps Ukranian. 20:39:52 <papoteur> marja11: ah, I wasn't aware of that :/ 20:39:57 <marja11> papoteur: so some users don't get the MCC help in their language when clicking help in MCC, even if the translation was finished 20:41:29 <papoteur> OK 20:42:31 <papoteur> #action marja11 asks passmat for updating doc packages 20:43:47 <papoteur> #action papoteur will ask for reviewing the English version, then upload it on transifex. 20:44:35 <papoteur> I think we are OK with this topic. 20:44:57 <papoteur> Another topic? 20:45:20 <marja11> papoteur: yeah, the text here http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/draklive/content/selectKeyboardLive.html is not for keyboard choice 20:45:21 <[mbot> [ Select keyboard ] 20:46:10 <papoteur> marja11: good catch ;) 20:46:28 <marja11> papoteur: and without coffee! 20:46:48 <papoteur> \o/ 20:47:07 <marja11> :-) 20:47:31 <papoteur> Ok, I have to revise it. 20:47:36 <marja11> papoteur: thx 20:47:56 <papoteur> #action papoteur revises http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/draklive/content/selectKeyboardLive.html 20:47:57 <[mbot> [ Select keyboard ] 20:48:19 <papoteur> It will not be to hard. 20:48:20 <marja11> #topic the workflow feature in Calenco 20:48:34 <marja11> Camille asked whether we use it 20:48:57 <papoteur> I think no. What is it? 20:49:00 <marja11> I didn't even look into it, but it might be worth investing some time to figure it out 20:49:05 <lebarhon> I don't understand what it is 20:49:35 <marja11> #action marja try to read up on the workflow feature in Calenco, and report back 20:50:21 <marja11> and there were at least two questions of doktor5000 that I haven't forwarded to the ml, yet :/ 20:51:03 <marja11> #action marja find doktor5000's questions and forward them to our ml 20:51:55 <papoteur> marja11: OK. 20:52:28 <papoteur> do camil find that worflow can be useful for us? 20:52:54 <marja11> papoteur: I assume he wouldn't have asked if he didn't think exactly that 20:53:36 <papoteur> I found that http://mageia.calenco.com:8284/docs/2.9.0/user/fr/content/ch04.html#help-workflow 20:53:37 <[mbot> [ Chapitre 4. Utilisation avancée ] 20:53:43 <papoteur> French version 20:54:04 <marja11> papoteur: thankx, that's one todo less for me :-) 20:54:09 <papoteur> And http://mageia.calenco.com:8284/docs/2.9.0/user/en/content/ch04.html#help-workflow 20:54:10 <[mbot> [ Chapter 4. Advanced Usage ] 20:54:58 <papoteur> Ok, we will have a look and discuss about it in next meeting. 20:55:45 <marja11> fine 20:55:56 <lebarhon> we are 3 or 4 in docteam, not easy to create groups :) 20:57:23 <marja11> lebarhon: but nice to no longer need to make a list in the wiki and tick there when proofreading is done 20:57:55 <papoteur> marja11: Yes, this can be useful. 20:58:27 <papoteur> some other topics? 20:58:33 <marja11> not for me 20:58:35 <lebarhon> may be, but the Ml is also working 20:59:52 <lebarhon> we were looking for help about what happen in a dual boot when Windows is updated o upgraded 21:00:02 <lebarhon> *happens 21:00:53 <papoteur> lebarhon: I experienced a restoration from my W8.1 21:01:08 <papoteur> (not just for testing ;) ) 21:01:13 <marja11> I hope Mageia isn't wiped, but don't know.......it might even depend on whether it is a OEM windows version or not 21:01:43 <lebarhon> I forgot, it is in a UEFI dual boot 21:01:54 <papoteur> The default entry of UEFI was switched to Windows one. 21:03:01 <lebarhon> a restoration is like an installation, I think 21:03:05 <papoteur> But after changing to Mageia one, it was OK. Nothing was altered in ESP for mageia. 21:03:12 <marja11> good 21:03:24 <papoteur> lebarhon: yes. 21:04:19 <papoteur> thus, this don't answer to your question, do it? 21:04:19 <lebarhon> So, in case of upgrade (8.1 -> 10) there is only to switch the boot order 21:05:01 <lebarhon> it does answer about upgrade, but not update 21:05:17 <papoteur> OK 21:06:23 <lebarhon> next week is Paris Open Source Summit 21:06:34 <marja11> lebarhon: enjoy! 21:06:43 <marja11> papoteur: are you going there, too? 21:07:19 <papoteur> No, I don't. I have to work :/ 21:07:42 <marja11> papoteur: :-/ .... otoh, it's good to have work 21:07:57 <marja11> to have a job, I mean 21:08:09 <papoteur> marja11: Yes 21:08:23 <marja11> papoteur: lebarhon: will we meet again at Fosdem? 21:09:06 <marja11> ah, that's not again for lebarhon 21:09:12 <lebarhon> I don't know yet 21:09:28 <papoteur> What are the dates? 21:09:31 <lebarhon> Who is coming ? 21:09:39 <lebarhon> 31/31 january 21:09:47 <lebarhon> 30/31 21:09:51 <papoteur> ;) 21:10:34 <marja11> I hope I'll be able to be there 21:10:45 <lebarhon> same hotel ? 21:10:51 <papoteur> I have to check. I think I have a concert at the Sunday. 21:11:08 <marja11> yes, if there are rooms left 21:11:15 <marja11> so Villa Royale 21:11:55 <marja11> papoteur: that would make that weekend too full for you 21:12:56 <papoteur> marja11: yes. But I must check. 21:13:54 <marja11> papoteur: of course 21:14:05 <marja11> shall we end the meeting? 21:14:21 <papoteur> I think so. 21:14:32 <marja11> lebarhon: ok to end the meeting? 21:14:43 <lebarhon> Ok 21:14:44 <marja11> #endmeeting