19:05:05 <lebarhon> #startmeeting 19:05:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Thu Jun 4 19:05:05 2015 UTC. The chair is lebarhon. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:05:05 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:05:20 <lebarhon> #chair Marja 19:05:20 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: Marja lebarhon 19:06:15 <marja> #info the errata were growing so fast, that marja got afraid the most important stuff would be hard to find 19:06:27 <lebarhon> #topic Mageia 5 errata 19:06:50 <marja> lebarhon: I wanted to skip the topic, because you don't like it, just add some info ;=) 19:07:17 <marja> lebarhon: do you want to discuss it, anyway? 19:07:40 <lebarhon> I said I don't like it for writing it, we can speak about it 19:08:13 <lebarhon> The problem is I didn't met any problem that is in the errata 19:08:34 <lebarhon> so I don't know what to say 19:08:49 <marja> I'd like to suggest on dev ml, bugsquad ml and qa ml, to use uppercast letters for (part) of the titles of the most serious issues 19:09:13 <marja> so that they are not easily missed 19:09:27 <marja> WDYT? 19:10:07 <lebarhon> This is a solution, or have errata in two parts: important and less important 19:10:13 <brian__> I'm new, no an expert, but think that would catch the eye. 19:10:48 <brian__> Or break out a set of links on the majors with a title of Gotcha's 19:10:55 <brian__> I hit the Cinnamon one today 19:11:39 <lebarhon> The most important imho is what the user must know BEFORE starting the installation 19:12:12 <marja> brian__: what does "Or break out a set of links on the majors with a title of Gotcha's" mean? 19:12:26 <lebarhon> +1 19:12:44 <brian__> Have a section called Gotchya's - Significant Errors 19:12:49 <marja> lebarhon: yes, I agree, those should either be emphasized, or be the only ones in the errata 19:12:55 <marja> brian__: ah, thx 19:12:59 <brian__> Then headline each with a link to the part of the Erata with the error 19:13:23 <marja> brian__: that's a good idea ....... might be a lot of work, though 19:14:06 <brian__> so maybe Capitalize to hit deadline 19:14:09 <marja> maybe we could start with getting the titles of the worst issues in uppercast letters 19:14:39 <marja> brian__: and then later add those to the Gotchya's section 19:15:28 <brian__> :-) 19:15:52 <lebarhon> marja: which issues are called the worst ? The one with the worst consequences ? 19:16:42 <lebarhon> i.e. lost of data 19:17:10 <brian__> that would be mine. Or complete frustration with an install - like USB fun 19:17:15 <marja> lebarhon: yes, e.g. one that was fixed today, that made logging into a remote server after upgrading it impossible (some have their server hundreds of kilometers away) 19:18:22 <marja> and there are usually some Video Cards that give huge problems if you install without reading the errata 19:19:37 <lebarhon> Or the worst are the one wiith no turn around 19:19:59 <marja> brian__: I should read your bug report ;-) 19:20:15 <marja> lebarhon: what is "with no turn around"? 19:20:33 <lebarhon> Sorry Work around 19:20:57 <marja> ah, indeed 19:22:12 <marja> I think it is best if the people who hit the issue, decide whether it should be capitalized.... it is often hard to understand the impact of an issue, if you didn't hit it yourself 19:22:28 <brian__> ok 19:23:19 <marja> instead of asking on the mailing lists, it is maybe better to ask in the bug reports..... I'll contact Stormi and leuhmanu, to see what they think 19:24:19 <marja> #Action marja contact leuhmanu and stormi, to see whether capitalizing the most serious issues in the errata should be asked on mailing lists, or in the matching bug reports 19:25:32 <marja> #Action after the most serious issues have been capitalized, we'll look into having a "Significant Errors" section 19:25:49 <marja> is there more on this topic? 19:27:14 <marja> apparently not ;-) 19:27:33 <marja> #topic our Manuals ... requests for improvements 19:28:09 <lebarhon> Theey aren't perfect ! 19:28:18 <marja> doktor5000 requested to improve the screenshot in this page http://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/choosePackageGroups.html 19:28:19 <[mbot> [ Package Group Selection ] 19:29:01 <lebarhon> because there is RazorQT 19:29:12 <marja> because the tooltip covers part of the Desktop Environments that can be chosen (he also thought it looked as if we prefer KDE) 19:29:36 <brian__> I think RazorQT is gone correct? 19:29:53 <marja> When I find time, I'll create a new one, with the current selection of DEs to choose from 19:30:02 <lebarhon> I thought it change its name ? 19:30:09 <lebarhon> *changed 19:30:23 <brian__> could be ... 19:30:30 <marja> and I'll try to have the tooltip at the bottom, covering no other DE 19:31:00 <lebarhon> we don't need to have a tooltip 19:31:20 <lebarhon> Do want me to change this SC ? 19:32:00 <marja> lebarhon: in the past someone (don't remember who) wasn't happy that I hadn't put them in the screenshot 19:32:37 <marja> lebarhon: if you have time, yes, please do it ...... I have less time for screenshotting than I had expected 19:32:50 <lebarhon> in this case, we must choose a tooltip that isn't about a DE 19:33:22 <marja> lebarhon: well, a tooltip for a DE at the bottom won't cover another DE, will it? 19:33:55 <lebarhon> yes but somebody will say we want to advantage this DE 19:34:13 <marja> unless it covers "individual package selection"... you'll see when you try 19:34:38 <marja> lebarhon: doesn "invidual package selection have a tooltip? 19:35:01 <marja> if so, that might be the solution 19:35:16 <lebarhon> I agree 19:36:08 <lebarhon> #action Lebarhon create a new SC about Pazckage Group Selection 19:36:18 <marja> lebarhon: thx :-) 19:37:03 <marja> there was another request, to add to http://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/minimal-install.html which documentation is included 19:37:04 <[mbot> [ Minimal Install ] 19:37:58 <marja> all I found today, in a minimal install without X that I did, was man pages, and info for the coreutils 19:39:15 <marja> but I may have missed equally basic documentation... what else is there, apart from man and info pages? 19:39:24 <lebarhon> Minimal Install is for geeks, they don't need help 19:40:20 <brian__> LOL 19:42:26 <marja> I'll check one last time whether I can find anything else than man and info pages, and then update that help page in Calenco 19:43:12 <marja> #Action marja update http://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/minimal-install.html with *which* documentation will be added, when that option is selected 19:43:13 <[mbot> [ Minimal Install ] 19:44:25 * marja wonder whether we should add in http://doc.mageia.org/installer/5/en/content/choosePackageGroups.html that, to get an install with only IceWM, it is needed to do a minimal install with X 19:44:26 <[mbot> [ Package Group Selection ] 19:45:16 <marja> because she read a bug report from someone who assumed only deselecting the DEs (instead of everything) in that page, would lead to an IceWM install 19:46:40 <lebarhon> In the old Mandriva doc, it was written : it will install basis packages and their documentation 19:47:09 <marja> do all basic packages have documentation? 19:49:14 <lebarhon> I think "if any" is implicit 19:49:38 <simonnzg> INSTALL 'basic documentation' WHERE exists(); ?? 19:50:33 <marja> i think i prefer just telling it's man pages and info pages, 19:51:09 <simonnzg> marja: I vaguely remember that there were options for basic documentation (MAN pages) and more documentation.. 19:52:31 <marja> simonnzg: in that minimal install, coreutils-doc and man-pages were installed + man and info to read them 19:55:03 <marja> sorry, got a phone call that my brother in law is seriously ill 19:55:31 <lebarhon> marja: sorry to hear that 19:56:00 <marja> lebarhon: it makes it a bit harder to concentrate 19:56:49 <lebarhon> marja: we can stop here 19:56:53 <marja> about the documentation, i'll figure out whether more gets installed than just mentioned, and then write the ml before changing the page 19:57:03 <marja> lebarhon: well, I had one more topic in mind 19:57:27 <marja> lebarhon: about the wiki...... how are things wrt trolls (no more trolling?) 19:57:49 * marja doesn't watch the wiki at all, sorry 19:58:35 <marja> #topic how is the wiki? (do we still watch it, are there no more trolls?) 19:58:53 <marja> does anyone still manage to watch the wiki? 19:59:16 <lebarhon> I watch the wwiki very often and there is no trolling 19:59:24 <marja> \o/ 19:59:47 <marja> #info lebarhon watches the wiki well, and there is no more trolling :-) 20:00:42 <lebarhon> the wiki-fr is quickly improving 20:02:37 <marja> lebarhon: nice 20:02:54 <marja> #info the wiki-fr is quickly improving 20:04:10 <lebarhon> it is useless to speak about the multilingual module ... :( 20:04:41 <marja> lebarhon: I was hoping maybe neoclust could help 20:05:02 <marja> lebarhon: anyway, right after mga5 release, we need to claim tmb 20:05:11 <marja> well, "claim" 20:05:38 <marja> so that before any 6 alpha's are produced, our infra is changed 20:05:56 <lebarhon> let's hope 20:06:26 <marja> so that no "access to all of Mga" is needed to let diogenese have full admin access to the wiki and the server it's on 20:07:41 <lebarhon> it should not be so long 20:08:04 <lebarhon> Is there another topic ? 20:08:18 <marja> #info we'll try to "claim" tmb after mga5 release, to that our infra will get changed and diogenese can get full admin access to the wiki and the server it's on, without getting access to all of Mageia 20:08:25 <marja> lebarhon: not here 20:08:43 <marja> #undo 20:09:09 <marja> #Undo 20:09:21 <marja> maybe the meeting isn't logged properly? 20:09:21 <diogenese> It's nice the wiki has it's own domain. Will make the transition that much easier. 20:09:43 <marja> #info we'll try to "claim" tmb after mga5 release, so that our infra will get changed and diogenese can get full admin access to the wiki and the server it's on, without getting access to all of Mageia 20:10:02 <marja> diogenese: :-) 20:10:21 <marja> shall we close the meeting? 20:10:41 <lebarhon> ok for me 20:11:03 <marja> #endmeeting 20:11:17 <lebarhon> there is a problem 20:11:20 <marja> lebarhon: can you try to end it? 20:11:28 <lebarhon> #endmeeting