19:04:46 <papoteur> #startmeeting 19:04:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Apr 23 19:04:46 2015 UTC. The chair is papoteur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:04:46 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:59 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon_ marja 19:04:59 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lebarhon_ marja papoteur 19:05:10 <papoteur> Hello marja 19:05:45 <lebarhon_> it seems she is gone 19:06:20 <marja> sorry, i'm more away than around :-/ 19:06:21 <papoteur> #topic 19:06:23 <papoteur> Adaptation of http://www.mageia.org/xy/downloads to prompte people to 19:06:24 <papoteur> read the errata 19:06:49 <papoteur> marja: no problem. 19:06:53 <Dune06> Hi everybody 19:06:58 <lebarhon_> hi Dune 19:07:02 <papoteur> Hello Dune06 19:07:12 <papoteur> Happy to see you. 19:08:20 <Dune06> Happy to be here, not often available 19:08:32 <papoteur> the last meeting, we said that download page has to be adapted to invite to see the errata. 19:09:42 <lebarhon_> Who was in charge ? 19:09:47 <papoteur> I haven't push the question to atelier :/. Leuhmanu was not agrre to put somthing in red. 19:10:02 <lebarhon_> then in black 19:10:51 <papoteur> I think it was to me. 19:11:13 <lebarhon_> Did leuhmanu explain why ? 19:11:50 <papoteur> lebarhon_: because the whole page would be in red, then ;) 19:13:01 <papoteur> there space for put the warning more visible, without using red ;) 19:13:23 <papoteur> I will take this task. 19:14:03 <lebarhon_> As long as there not much in the page, it may be written in black 19:14:22 <papoteur> #action papoteur asks for adaptation in http://www.mageia.org/xy/downloads to prompte people to read the errata 19:15:50 <papoteur> lebarhon_: the color is not the question, really. 19:16:12 <papoteur> next topic ? 19:16:16 <lebarhon_> yes 19:16:28 <papoteur> #topic Installer doc update about UEFI 19:16:55 <papoteur> lebarhon_: what can you see about that. 19:17:16 <lebarhon_> The wiki page is updated 19:17:34 <papoteur> lebarhon_: Fine 19:17:59 <lebarhon_> I still have to update the Installer doc, I am waiting for the last ISO without the Mageia5 label 19:18:30 <lebarhon_> Anne told Marja she will do them tomorrow 19:19:18 <papoteur> lebarhon_: do you mean for screenshots? 19:19:27 <lebarhon_> Yes 19:19:51 <lebarhon_> SC without RC 19:20:00 <papoteur> lebarhon_: OK 19:20:25 <papoteur> the xml texts have also to be modified? 19:21:11 <lebarhon_> I think so, may be not much, it is worth a look 19:21:46 <lebarhon_> We don't have much information from the dev, what did they do ... 19:22:38 <lebarhon_> For example about the new thresholds about partitions sizing 19:23:21 <papoteur> lebarhon_: yes, except to see in the code for what they do... 19:23:44 <lebarhon_> Code is Chinese for me 19:24:13 <marja> hi.... Anne said she'd do the docteam iso today (hope she'll find time) 19:24:32 <lebarhon_> about resizing, it is said in the comments the limits are 20GB/20%, what do you understand 19:24:48 <lebarhon_> thanks marja 19:25:49 <marja> about 20GB/20%, I understood that 20GB would be used if that was more than 20%, and 20% would be used, if that is more than 20GB 19:26:25 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I understood that 20Go is the minimum size for the new partition taken from NTFS partition. 19:26:48 <marja> we should make a backup of the current installer publications, in case atelier is willing to update them on mageia.org for Mageia 4 19:27:02 <marja> papoteur: yes 19:27:15 <papoteur> marja: yes too ;) 19:27:19 <lebarhon_> In a test I had 82GB total with 50GB free 19:27:32 <lebarhon_> what is the size freed ? 19:27:42 <marja> lebarhon_: 20GB 19:28:17 <lebarhon_> 20% is more 19:28:20 <papoteur> as 20 is greater than 10 19:28:47 <lebarhon_> ok sorry but 20% of the total or the free part ? 19:28:47 <papoteur> lebarhon_: no, 20% of 50 is 10. 19:28:48 <marja> lebarhon_: ah, sorry 19:29:15 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I understood "of free space" 19:29:19 <marja> lebarhon_: I'm not sure whether it is of total or of free 19:29:24 <marja> need to look that up 19:30:44 <marja> in the commit message, it says "suggest up to 20GB/20% of the windows partition (whichever is larger)," 19:30:59 <marja> so of the total windows space 19:31:30 <marja> only "up to" doesn't sound as minimum :-/ 19:31:48 <marja> but as maximum 19:32:04 <lebarhon_> so it is SUP (20GB, 20%total) in math language 19:32:46 <marja> i don't remember math language, even if I took all available math classes in school :-/ 19:33:04 <lebarhon_> but it may take everything left from Windows 19:33:07 <papoteur> lebarhon_: OK for the expression. 19:33:17 <papoteur> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15589 comment 26 19:33:19 <[mbot> [ Bug 15589 Install unusable because installer used too little of the available space (after selecting Use the free space on a Microsoft Windows partition) ] 19:33:20 <lebarhon_> marja: no problem 19:33:48 <papoteur> "at least 20% of the empty space" 19:34:01 <lebarhon_> it is not total ? 19:34:28 <papoteur> lebarhon_: so, not of the total space, except if I missed a correction. 19:34:32 <marja> indeed, there he says "of the empty space" 19:34:48 <lebarhon_> it is really not clear 19:35:13 <lebarhon_> I worry that it may let nothing left for windows 19:35:44 <papoteur> See also comment 25 19:35:59 <lebarhon_> 20% of the empty space seems more logical 19:36:54 <marja> lol, in the code, there is a comment "try to keep at least 1GB free for windows" 19:37:45 <lebarhon_> You can't install Mageia with a GUI under 20 GB (10+10) 19:38:09 <papoteur> Ok, we can consider SUP( 20 Gb, 20% of free space) ? 19:38:09 <marja> lebarhon_: I tried, in text installer, to shrink the windows partition to ± 700MB, as was the default there...... that was impossible, installer probed the windows partition and then refused to shrink windows 19:38:57 <marja> because it had by then calculated how much space windows really needed 19:39:01 <lebarhon_> Windows can't fit in 700 Mb 19:39:29 <marja> indeed.... maybe windows 3.11 for workgroups could 19:39:34 <marja> or was that 3.1 19:40:15 <papoteur> ;) 19:40:22 <lebarhon_> 3.1 was still on a compressed CD 19:40:40 <marja> that seems so long ago 19:40:56 <lebarhon_> 20 years 19:41:07 <marja> ah, it *is* long ago :-) 19:42:29 <papoteur> Ok for the constation above ^^^ ? 19:42:40 <marja> lol 19:43:29 <lebarhon_> ok for SUP( 20 Gb, 20% of free space) 19:43:49 <marja> yes, fine with me, too 19:44:08 <papoteur> s/constatation 19:45:07 <marja> #action make a backup of all our installer help publications, so atelier can use them for Mageia 4, before adding any Mageia 5 (UEFI) specific things to them 19:45:33 <lebarhon_> Do we know if MCC is totally happy with GPT ? 19:45:50 <papoteur> marja: where do you mean doing the backup? 19:46:27 <marja> papoteur: good question.... I'll ask Remco if I can copy them to a directory for Mageia 4 19:46:43 <marja> papoteur: did you get his mail about your ssh access? 19:46:49 <lebarhon_> it is here:http://doc.mageia.org/installer/4/fr/content/index.html 19:46:50 <[mbot> [ Installation avec DrakX ] 19:47:12 <papoteur> marja: yes, but not tried yet :/ 19:47:55 <marja> lebarhon_: yes, but many languages do not have the "Recherche" button, like Dutch http://doc.mageia.org/installer/4/nl/content/index.html 19:47:56 <[mbot> [ Installeren met DrakX ] 19:48:10 <marja> lebarhon_: and the copyright + licence footer isn't in it 19:49:22 <marja> lebarhon_: and, IIRC, there was an error that got fixed... don't remember what that was, though 19:49:34 <lebarhon_> The button isn't very useful, just write the release number in the URL 19:50:02 <papoteur> marja: could be the backup of some help? We would need to put them on calenco to do publication? 19:52:26 <marja> papoteur: well, an alternative would be to ask pasmatt to update the publications for Mageia 4 one last time..... then the backups will be in svn http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/mageia-doc/trunk/ 19:52:28 <papoteur> lebarhon_: some other thing about UEFI adaptation? 19:52:48 <lebarhon_> Do we know if MCC is totally happy with GPT ? 19:53:01 <papoteur> marja: I think it is a good idea. 19:53:34 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I have no clear information about that. 19:54:02 <marja> # action check one last time whether all translations are up to date, create new publications and ask pasmatt to update mageia-doc and then branch for Mageia 4 19:54:20 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I have GPT, the installation done the job except freeing space. 19:54:56 <marja> lebarhon_: IIRC, pterjan adjusted diskdrake for gpt, let me find the commit message 19:55:09 <papoteur> it was with Mageia 4. 19:56:06 <lebarhon_> The MCC boot section hasn't the same GUI with grub2 or grub-efi 19:56:43 <papoteur> I didn't hear from problems with GPT partitioning. 19:57:29 <papoteur> lebarhon_: in what? 19:58:16 <lebarhon_> for example, with grub-efi you can't any more choose between Lilo/grub/grub2 19:58:39 <lebarhon_> and the MCC interface is modified 19:59:37 <papoteur> lebarhon_: yes, for UEFI, we should use grub2-efi. 20:00:14 <lebarhon_> and the MCC "boot" section has to be re-written 20:00:28 <lebarhon_> with new screenshots 20:00:30 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I didn't check that. 20:03:05 <marja> ah, true....but the tool isn't fully grub2 ready 20:03:14 <lebarhon_> I will make the list of all the differences in MCC between with/without UEFI 20:03:25 <marja> lebarhon_: thx a lot! 20:03:40 <papoteur> lebarhon_: fine. 20:03:59 <marja> #action lebarhon makes list of differences in MCC between with/without UEFI 20:04:28 <lebarhon_> #action lebarhon_will list the differences in MCC between with/without UEFI 20:04:38 <lebarhon_> too late ! 20:06:04 <papoteur> ;) 20:06:24 <papoteur> try undo 20:06:40 <lebarhon_> #undo 20:06:40 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xb6a15dcc> 20:07:13 <lebarhon_> it desn't say what is removed 20:07:33 <papoteur> :/ 20:07:53 <lebarhon_> anyway, I will do it twice :) 20:08:00 <papoteur> :) 20:08:38 <papoteur> next topic ? 20:08:54 <lebarhon_> yes, which one 20:09:11 <papoteur> #topic Meeting in real life (Solutions Linux seems canceled) 20:09:49 <marja> papoteur: if you want to meet in real life too, but Lille is impossible, we can change plans or meet twice 20:12:00 <papoteur> I'm not available for a meeting in real life. 20:12:43 <papoteur> Thus, I thing you can keep your plan for now. 20:12:49 <marja> papoteur: ok 20:12:54 <admel> back 20:12:59 <papoteur> Sorry 20:13:10 <marja> papoteur: np, you were at Fosdem :-) 20:13:23 <admel> (.o/ sorry for my late.) 20:13:29 <marja> admel: np 20:13:32 <lebarhon_> hi admel 20:13:59 <admel> hi lebarhon_, hi papoteur, marja nice to see you again. 20:14:05 <marja> admel: :-) 20:14:07 <papoteur> Hi admel 20:15:22 <admel> Are we only three for the IRL meeting (in Lille) ? 20:16:13 <papoteur> admel: It's good for good job ;) 20:16:33 <admel> like the meeting here. :-p 20:16:33 <lebarhon_> yes but very good ones 20:16:54 <admel> ah ah of course. 20:17:42 <admel> So, i've seen on "Café citoyen", for only three we didn't have to book. 20:18:05 <lebarhon_> ok thanks 20:18:29 <marja> nice :-) 20:18:29 <admel> But, next week i'll go in this coffee, i can see if they can make some advertising 20:18:47 <admel> +? 20:19:38 <marja> admel: so far only three 20:20:20 <admel> i'll remake my question : did we have to only be between us (mageia doc channel) or can we invite some interested people ? 20:20:29 <marja> Dune06: if you're interested in a Real Life meeting in Lille, you're welcome, too 20:20:54 <lebarhon_> admel: it is a training meeting about documentation 20:21:18 <admel> Oh Dune06 is here ! Ih Dune06 ! 20:22:06 <admel> lebarhon_: ok, so it's closed. :-) 20:22:10 <marja> admel: people interested in documentation / calenco / wiki writing ...... we'll certainly spend much time on Calenco and git committing changes, too, but, since we have 1½ day (or even two), we can look at wiki and such, too 20:22:39 <admel> marja: indeed. 20:24:49 <papoteur> Something to add? 20:25:22 <admel> Nothing to me. :-) 20:25:28 <papoteur> I think we can close the meeting 20:25:36 <lebarhon_> no, next meeting 20:25:52 <marja> May 7? 20:25:55 <marja> same time? 20:26:03 <lebarhon_> ok for me 20:26:05 <admel> ok ! 20:26:32 <papoteur> Ok for me. Don't forget the 8th is holiday in France. 20:26:46 <marja> ah, didn't know that 20:27:05 <papoteur> #endmeeting