20:02:43 <papoteur> #startmeeting 20:02:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Thu Feb 26 20:02:43 2015 UTC. The chair is papoteur. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:02:43 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:02:51 <papoteur> Hello all 20:02:56 <marja> papoteur: hi :-) 20:03:02 <papoteur> #chair marja 20:03:02 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: marja papoteur 20:03:10 <papoteur> #chair lebarhon_ 20:03:10 <Inigo_Montoya`> Current chairs: lebarhon_ marja papoteur 20:03:16 <marja> :-) 20:03:24 <marja> Kernewes: welcome! 20:03:32 <Kernewes> marja: hello marja 20:03:33 <papoteur> First which topics? 20:03:39 <marja> Kernewes: you have two meetings 20:03:44 <Kernewes> marja: yes 20:03:52 <papoteur> Hello Kernewes 20:03:52 <marja> papoteur: the one of doktor5000 20:04:10 <Kernewes> papoteur: hello 20:04:14 <papoteur> State of screenshots 20:04:24 <marja> and maybe we should put the script to find screenshots in the wiki itself 20:04:29 <papoteur> what marja did last weeks 20:04:39 <marja> yes, state of screenshots 20:04:42 <lebarhon_> marja: it is 20:04:46 * marja wonders what she did 20:04:59 <papoteur> ;) 20:05:03 <Kernewes> I noticed in the English installer help one screenshot is in French 20:05:05 <marja> lebarhon_: did you replace the link to the ml? 20:05:18 <marja> Kernewes: oops, that happened before 20:05:31 <marja> Kernewes: which one? 20:05:34 <Kernewes> I was only using that document to test freetype :) 20:05:41 <lebarhon_> I put a link, sometime it is direct and sometime it opens the ML 20:05:48 <Kernewes> one of the early ones with the menu to boot or install 20:05:55 <papoteur> What to adapt with Mageia 5 evolution 20:07:00 <papoteur> #topic screenshots 20:07:26 <lebarhon_> they are OK for French 20:07:35 <lebarhon_> language 20:07:48 <marja> lebarhon_: ah, yes, you linked to the attachment, instead of to the mail......that's better than it was 20:07:50 <papoteur> lebarhon_: all the SC marja cited? 20:08:16 <lebarhon_> Yes I think 20:08:50 <papoteur> You indicated it lacks squid9.png 20:09:20 <lebarhon_> Yes, it doesn't exist in my Mageia 20:09:52 <lebarhon_> #link https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Missing_MCC_and_installer_screenshots 20:09:53 <papoteur> proxy SC step 9 20:10:37 <papoteur> #info papoteur will look for proxy SC step 9 20:11:12 <lebarhon_> this one 20:11:12 <lebarhon_> http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/images/drakwizard-proxy-step9.png 20:11:45 <papoteur> Is the links in xml files OK for images in international space? 20:12:01 <Kernewes> are there still languages without many screenshots? 20:12:05 <marja> papoteur: for some languages 20:12:12 <lebarhon_> Yes, in the English html 20:12:35 <marja> Kernewes: yes, I think Indonesian has nearly none, for instance 20:12:54 <Kernewes> I'll see what I can do 20:13:02 <marja> papoteur: the link are OK in the po files, now 20:13:23 <papoteur> marja: OK 20:13:24 <marja> papoteur: but only a few translations have new xml files 20:13:33 <papoteur> Kernewes: thanks 20:13:38 <marja> papoteur: sorry, I had hoped to do that 20:13:47 <marja> Kernewes: indeed, thx..... 20:14:00 <marja> Kernewes: :-) 20:14:02 <Kernewes> they have to be done in cauldron? 20:14:13 <marja> Kernewes: preferably, yes 20:14:19 <Kernewes> ok 20:14:35 <Kernewes> going to try and help test M5RC so will do some then 20:14:45 <marja> Kernewes: perfect :-) 20:14:50 <papoteur> Kernewes: fine 20:15:18 <papoteur> Kernewes: You think for installer, I presume. 20:15:37 <marja> Kernewes: please post on our mailing list which language you'll work on (or, if you want to grab one screenshot for many languages: which screenshot) 20:15:43 <Kernewes> yes, or I can try to do some of each 20:16:09 <Kernewes> was there a list of which languages still need screenshots, I've forgotten 20:16:17 <marja> Kernewes: most installer screenshots are there 20:16:23 <Kernewes> MCC then 20:16:33 <marja> Kernewes: yes, please 20:16:56 <Kernewes> I'll bookmark the wiki page, that looks really helpful 20:17:22 <marja> Kernewes: thx :-) 20:17:49 <Kernewes> what's the country code for Indonesian, I think I asked once but I've forgotten that too :) 20:17:54 <marja> Kernewes: you can also look in the images directory for each language, like here for Indonesian: http://docteam.mageia.nl/id/MCC/content/images/ 20:17:55 <[mbot> [ Index of /id/MCC/content/images ] 20:18:01 <Kernewes> ah, thanks 20:18:02 <marja> Kernewes: "id" 20:18:08 <Kernewes> thanks 20:18:16 <lebarhon_> Codes are in the wiki page 20:18:42 <marja> also which code is which language? 20:19:04 <papoteur> marja: Is there some English SC copied in specific language space? 20:19:10 <Kernewes> lebarhon_: thank you 20:19:31 <marja> "hr" is Croatian, "sq" is Albanian, "eu" is Basque 20:19:44 <Kernewes> found the link now :) 20:20:25 <marja> papoteur: not that I know of, but on docteam.mageia.nl I run a script as often as I can, that changes the dead paths to missing screenshots, into paths to English screenshots 20:20:58 <marja> papoteur: I try to run it every time a publication was updated 20:21:09 <papoteur> marja: Ok, thus there is no duplicated images, but only links. 20:21:20 <marja> it only works for the html publications, though 20:21:31 <papoteur> AH? 20:21:40 <marja> papoteur: yes, there should be no duplication 20:22:00 <marja> papoteur: I wouln't know how to do that for missing images in EPUB and PDF files 20:22:03 <papoteur> marja: the links are changed directly in HTML files? 20:22:10 <marja> papoteur: but, tbh, I didn't even try 20:22:44 <marja> papoteur: yes, with this script http://docteam.mageia.nl/use_en_screenshots 20:22:44 <papoteur> marja: Ok, it not a problem. 20:23:11 <marja> ah, and it doesn't work for the zipped html files, either 20:23:40 <papoteur> #info http://docteam.mageia.nl/use_en_screenshots for changing links of missing screenshots 20:24:14 <papoteur> OK 20:24:19 <marja> papoteur: lebarhon_: I'll re-ask remmy to give you access to docteam.mageia.org 20:24:23 <marja> oops 20:24:28 <marja> docteam.mageia.nl 20:24:37 <papoteur> marja: ;) 20:24:46 <lebarhon_> what we can do there ? 20:24:49 <papoteur> Ok, thanks 20:25:02 <marja> lebarhon_: run the script when I'm not around 20:25:28 <marja> lebarhon_: create Calenco publications and write them to that server (using ftp) 20:25:32 <lebarhon_> Did you do a how to? 20:25:46 <marja> lebarhon_: maybe long ago? 20:25:56 <papoteur> ;) 20:26:09 <lebarhon_> We can already do Calenco publications 20:26:10 <marja> #action marja check whether there is a howto for creating ftp calenco publications 20:26:54 <lebarhon_> Yes https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Calenco_publications 20:27:10 <lebarhon_> But I dont understand everything 20:27:11 <papoteur> marja: Can you say what is the status of publications and what is still to do? 20:28:14 <marja> papoteur: I need to run the script in git to create new publications for all that weren't updated since the po files were updated 20:28:25 <marja> papoteur: that is almost all publications 20:28:45 <marja> papoteur: then copy the xml files to calenco and regenerate all publications 20:29:20 <marja> ah, first we need to find out which French screenshot Kernewes saw in the English space 20:29:27 <marja> we need to replace it 20:29:41 <Kernewes> I'll have a look for it 20:29:42 <papoteur> new po files are already in git? 20:29:59 <marja> Kernewes: thx :-) 20:30:33 <lebarhon_> If it is an English SC in French space, it is normal 20:30:55 <marja> papoteur: yes, for most the new paths to the international space will be fuzzied, but that is no problem, because it is correct in English, now 20:30:56 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I understood the inverse 20:31:22 <lebarhon_> Yes but as it is from memory ... 20:31:36 <papoteur> ;) 20:31:42 <Kernewes> I can't find it now :) 20:31:47 <Kernewes> it was in the PDF version 20:32:01 <marja> Kernewes: maybe it already got fixed :-) 20:32:35 <Kernewes> maybe 20:33:08 <papoteur> the publications will have to be packaged then? 20:34:04 <marja> next, if pasmatt and webteam don't have time to find a way to use the EN screenshots where localised ones are missing, we might need to help them (my script should be changed to have relative paths..... and the paths on doc.mageia.org, and from the installed mageia-doc package, might be different from what we have on docteam.mageia.nl) 20:34:07 <Kernewes> http://docteam.mageia.nl/PDF/installer/DrakX-cover-EN-PDF.pdf 20:34:10 <Kernewes> page 7 20:35:09 <marja> Amorcer Mageia 20:35:15 <marja> yes, that's French 20:36:15 <papoteur> It's natural, isn't it? ;) 20:36:49 <lebarhon_> I think I fixed that, IIRC 20:37:20 <lebarhon_> I was thinking to this page when I supposed it was the inverse 20:38:04 <marja> lebarhon_: i'll regenerate the English pdf 20:38:37 <lebarhon_> fine 20:38:41 <Kernewes> marja: thanks 20:38:47 <marja> last time was almost 2 weeks ago 20:38:51 <Kernewes> lebarhon_: thanks for fixing it 20:38:52 <papoteur> https://doc.mageia.org/installer/4/en/content/installer.html it's OK 20:38:53 <[mbot> [ DrakX, the Mageia Installer ] 20:40:19 <marja> here, it's still the same in the pdf 20:40:52 <papoteur> marja: I understand that our publications can not be used as is for site or packaging? 20:41:07 <marja> it is dx-welcome4fr 20:42:35 <lebarhon_> dx-welcome4fr doesn't exist in English 20:43:04 <marja> lebarhon_: it does, it is used in installer.xml 20:43:29 <papoteur> :/ 20:43:36 <lebarhon_> dx-welcome is internationnal and dx-welcome4fr is when FR is chosen after dx-welcome 20:43:51 <marja> it is good! 20:43:57 <marja> the text is: <para>Here is for example, the French welcome screen when using a Live 20:44:00 <marja> DVD/CD. Note that the Live DVD/CD menu does not propose: 20:44:02 <marja> <guilabel>Rescue System</guilabel>, <guilabel>Memory test</guilabel> and 20:44:05 <marja> <guilabel>Hardware Detection Tool</guilabel>.</para> 20:44:38 <marja> We should have read the text above the screenshot :-) 20:45:41 <papoteur> :-) Thus no problem. 20:45:48 <papoteur> Next topic ;) 20:45:49 <marja> indeed 20:46:24 <marja> papoteur: doktor5000_'s question? 20:46:33 <papoteur> marja: Yes 20:46:55 <marja> #topic merging https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EFI:_can_no_longer_boot_into_Mageia into https://wiki.mageia.org/en/UEFI_how-to? 20:47:04 <papoteur> [20:09] <doktor5000_> marja: what purpose does https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EFI:_can_no_longer_boot_into_Mageia serve? 20:47:06 <papoteur> [20:10] <doktor5000_> FWIW, I've just asked Martin to add his experience into our wiki: https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=54879#p54879 20:47:07 <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - UEFI boot M5B3/Win8.1 on HP DM1 4301 laptop ] 20:47:07 <papoteur> [20:10] <[mbot> [ Mageia forum View topic - UEFI boot M5B3/Win8.1 on HP DM1 4301 laptop ] 20:47:53 <marja> I explained that the issue hits every EFI-user 20:47:54 <Kernewes> I think Lewis wrote the UEFI how-to, perhaps we should ask him before doing that 20:48:12 <lebarhon_> There is a level problem 20:48:28 <marja> but think that it is better to solve it with the read note that is now at the top of the UEFI howto 20:48:30 <lebarhon_> UEFI how to is for everyone, not the other 20:48:46 <marja> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/UEFI_how-to 20:48:58 <doktor5000_> lebarhon_: but sooner or later everyone will be hit by that issue ... 20:49:14 <doktor5000_> hence my question to marja: if all EFI installs will be hit by it, it should be cleaned up a bit and integrated into the UEFI howto ? 20:49:16 <lebarhon_> It is not what I mean 20:49:17 <marja> WDYT of the red note? 20:50:05 <lebarhon_> The note is useful for people who can use it 20:50:49 <marja> doktor5000_: wdyt of the red note at the top of the uefi howto? 20:51:25 <lebarhon_> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EFI:_can_no_longer_boot_into_Mageia is for geeks 20:51:36 <marja> lebarhon_: is it clear that it talks about *after* efi install? 20:51:51 <marja> lebarhon_: well, that's not good, it can hit you, too 20:52:22 <marja> lebarhon_: it needs to be improved so that it is usable for everyone with a Mageia efi system 20:52:36 <lebarhon_> I understand that is Mageia doesn't start, you have to change the bootloader 20:52:43 <papoteur> I'm will not be schocked if the pages are joined. 20:52:49 <marja> or, better, the bug needs to be fixed 20:52:51 <Kernewes> I think if the how-to is going to be changed you ought to tell the QA team so that they can comment 20:53:12 <marja> Kernewes: yeah, you're right 20:53:14 <lebarhon_> marja: indeed 20:54:00 <marja> I'm against putting this in the how-to, though.... the page is already complicated enough 20:54:45 <marja> so my preference stays keeping a separate page, but making it easier to find..... and making it easier for non-geeks to understand 20:54:45 <lebarhon_> Installation iis something even my grand mother must do 20:54:52 <papoteur> the link is already present in the first of last three notes 20:55:32 <marja> papoteur: yes, it was only there at first, I didn't remove it, in case someone might complain about the red note at the top 20:55:56 <marja> papoteur: those notes are only about Mga4, or they are wrongly placed 20:56:08 <papoteur> doktor5000_: is the problem frequently occurs? 20:56:27 <doktor5000_> papoteur: marja told me, I don't know 20:56:42 <doktor5000_> lebarhon_: so you can easily explain UEFI booting to your grandma? 20:56:48 <marja> papoteur: once every so many months 20:57:33 <lebarhon_> unfortunately she is dead before RMS was born 20:57:53 <papoteur> Thus I think keeping them separately and placed the note in the good section. 20:57:58 <marja> papoteur: tmb hits it too, now and then, but it is hard to find a way to reproduce for sure, so hard to find a solution 20:58:14 <Kernewes> Lewis keeps telling the QA team that EFI isn't such a problem as everyone says, but not all of them believe him 20:59:13 <marja> Kernewes: it isn't ready for grandmothers, yet, but OK if you're not afraid to use cli 20:59:14 <papoteur> Kernewes: ;) My laptop is with UEFI and Mageia. 20:59:45 * marja suddenly realises many women her age are grandmothers 20:59:57 * Kernewes also 20:59:59 <doktor5000_> ok, I don't want to start a fight over this page, I've got no problem with them being separate, just suggested that it might be better to have everything in once place 21:00:04 <papoteur> marja: :-) 21:00:19 <doktor5000_> the easy howto at the top, and quirks for specific systems and troubleshooting further down 21:00:43 <marja> doktor5000_: well, your suggestion did certainly help to make the "can't boot" page more visible :-) 21:00:44 * lebarhon_ think they are temporary pages 21:00:51 <marja> doktor5000_: so thx! 21:01:32 <marja> lebarhon_: yes, the one will disappear, the other will change beyond recognition 21:02:14 <lebarhon_> The simple page will end in the doc and the other will disapear 21:02:31 <marja> doktor5000_: I'd agree if this page did not have a cauldron and a Mga 4 section 21:03:58 <papoteur> marja: I think it not to be wished. Mageia4 doesn't change and need explanations. 21:04:14 <marja> papoteur: yes 21:04:45 <papoteur> Thus stau quo? 21:04:50 <doktor5000_> as UEFI was more of a quirk for mga4, IMHO that section should be dumped into a separate page 21:06:12 <marja> that's an option..... if we're sure no Mga4 users will end up using the wrong page, following a link somewhere 21:06:46 <lebarhon_> Mga 4 users with UEFI are geeks 21:07:17 <marja> or they couldn't help having an UEFI system 21:07:36 <papoteur> doktor5000_: I'm not entousiast 21:08:16 <marja> a year ago it was hard to *not* buy an UEFI system 21:08:36 <marja> at least here 21:09:32 <lebarhon_> marja: the one who couldn't help having an UEFI syst, did choose Mageia 21:09:46 <lebarhon_> *didn't choose 21:09:59 <papoteur> I prefer to keep the Mageia4 section in the main page 21:10:29 * marja agrees (mostly because of links to that page we might not know about) 21:10:59 <papoteur> OK 21:11:57 <papoteur> #action adapting the UEFI_Howto to have a note not in the Mageia 4 section. 21:12:21 <Kernewes> QA meeting has finished and I'm tired, so I'll say goodnight everyone and go to bed early 21:12:28 <marja> Kernewes: sleep well 21:12:28 <papoteur> Who ? 21:12:35 <marja> Kernewes: thx for being here 21:12:38 <Kernewes> marja: yw 21:12:50 <marja> papoteur: I don't understand 21:12:51 <papoteur> Kernewes: Thanks Kernewes, good nitght 21:13:01 <Kernewes> do we know the date of the next meeting or should I just keep an eye on the ML? 21:13:07 <papoteur> #undo 21:13:07 <Inigo_Montoya`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0xa4d3aec> 21:13:16 * marja proposes two weeks from now 21:13:30 <marja> again on Thursday, same time? 21:13:39 <papoteur> I agree with marja 21:13:44 <Kernewes> that's good for me if I feel well enough to come 21:13:56 <marja> lebarhon_ ? 21:14:03 <marja> Kernewes: don't force yourself 21:14:09 <marja> Kernewes: take care! 21:14:13 <Kernewes> marja: no I can't do that :( 21:14:28 <Kernewes> marja: I will 21:14:32 <Kernewes> goodbye 21:14:39 <marja> Kernewes: goodnight 21:15:19 <lebarhon_> which Thursday ? 21:15:25 <marja> lebarhon_: is Thursday, March 12, same time, OK for yu? 21:15:38 <lebarhon_> OK 21:15:39 <papoteur> marja: We said that the note with the link is not in the good section 21:16:20 <marja> papoteur: can it be removed, and the red note at the top kept? 21:16:56 <papoteur> Yes, it can 21:17:22 * marja doesn't know about the other notes, whether they're valid for cauldron, too 21:17:45 <papoteur> #action removing the note with link https://wiki.mageia.org/en/EFI:_can_no_longer_boot_into_Mageia 21:18:46 <papoteur> I think they are also valid for Mageia 5 21:18:46 <marja> papoteur: done :-) 21:18:52 <papoteur> :) 21:18:58 <marja> papoteur: then they should be moved 21:19:21 <papoteur> Yes 21:19:52 <marja> done :-) 21:20:03 <papoteur> #action move notes in non specific Mageia 4 section in https://wiki.mageia.org/en/UEFI_how-to 21:20:26 <papoteur> marja: tou are most as me ;) 21:20:56 <papoteur> Next topic or stop meeting? 21:21:04 <marja> are you OK with how I moved them (out of 4 section, having tis own section)? 21:21:13 <marja> s/tis/its/ 21:21:40 <marja> yeah, fine to stop.... it is late 21:21:56 <lebarhon_> If we have a new meeting in 2 weeks, we could stop 21:22:01 <papoteur> Yes, it's fine 21:22:15 <papoteur> OK. 21:22:27 <papoteur> #endmeeting