19:00:24 <marja> #startmeeting 19:00:24 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Mon Oct 14 19:00:24 2013 UTC. The chair is marja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:24 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:29 <marja> welcome all 19:00:35 <yurchor> Hi! 19:00:37 <lebarhon_> hello 19:00:43 <gelb5> Hi 19:00:44 <papoteur> Welcome all 19:00:49 <marja> #chair lebarhon_ papoteur 19:00:49 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon_ marja papoteur 19:01:06 <lebarhon_> ouch ! 19:01:27 <marja> #chair yurchor 19:01:27 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: lebarhon_ marja papoteur yurchor 19:01:29 <swecarp> hi 19:01:33 <papoteur> lebarhon_: sois pas timide ;) 19:01:44 <marja> lebarhon_: is it less hard when there are more chairs? 19:02:01 <marja> lebarhon_: I added yurchor for you ;-) 19:02:09 <lebarhon_> it's my first time 19:02:25 <lebarhon_> and I have a swiss keyboard ! 19:02:42 <yurchor> wow! 19:02:47 <marja> lebarhon_: there is nothing that can really go wrong ... typos aren't a big problem 19:03:13 <marja> what should we take as first topic? 19:03:17 <lebarhon_> it takes more time, you will be late 19:03:45 <marja> lebarhon_: we don't need to catch an airplane :-) 19:04:17 <marja> #topic our calenco documentation 19:05:00 <yurchor> Ok. Is it possible to upload PNG images? I cannot do this... :'( 19:05:36 <marja> yurchor: it should be possible... maybe this is related to the other problems we currently have? 19:05:41 <papoteur> did you had an explanation for the mysterious disappearing? 19:06:32 <marja> papoteur: no, camil said today that he would look at it (he apparently hadn't hit the problem himself, yet) 19:07:25 <yurchor> Calenco just say "Cannot upload file: either the file is locked or an unexpected error happened." Can somebody try to upload it into Ukrainian? 19:07:42 <marja> yurchor: to which space did you try to upload a png image.... the uk or en? 19:07:49 <papoteur> yurchor: where is the picture? 19:09:17 <yurchor> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55247264/drakfirewall.png 19:09:43 <yurchor> Into Ukrainian please. Thanks in advance. 19:10:02 <marja> #info we are having problems with Calenco, several files are invisible after logging into Calenco and, depending on which directories are viewed, with webdav too 19:10:18 <marja> papoteur: will you try to upload it? 19:10:22 <papoteur> yurchor: I try. 19:10:28 <marja> papoteur: thx :) 19:10:31 <yurchor> papoteur: Thanks. 19:12:32 <papoteur> Ok, same error :( 19:13:55 <marja> #info please don't try overwriting the incomplete classifications/ALL_FILES/en with the complete content/en (nor for other languages) without permission from Camille 19:14:20 <yurchor> Ok. 19:14:27 <doktor5000_> marja: sorry, after the meeting - was about the installer/drakx documentation as single PDF file 19:14:50 <marja> #info uploading .png file to Calenco is impossible too, atm 19:15:35 <marja> doktor5000_: it should be possible to create that, we will look into that when the current problems with Calenco are solved 19:16:28 <marja> #action (when Calenco problems are over) make single pdf files for installer and MCC help 19:17:02 <lebarhon_> it wasn't wanted ? 19:17:50 <marja> doktor5000_: did a forums user request it? 19:19:06 <marja> yurchor: about MCC, you did a terrific job converting existing installer help translations into nice po files.... is there a chance you could do the same for the French and Estonian MCC help translations? 19:19:49 <yurchor> marja: Ok. As soon as I have enough time. 19:19:52 <doktor5000_> marja: well sort of - someone wrote a direct mail via forums to me 19:20:11 <marja> yurchor: thx a lot! There is no big hurry 19:20:27 <marja> doktor5000_: thx 19:20:34 <doktor5000_> marja: and apart from that most of http://docteam.mageia.nl/zipped/MCC/ seems empty - could swear there was a german zip file there last time i looked 19:20:35 <[mbot> [ Index of /zipped/MCC ] 19:21:28 <marja> doktor5000_: there was :-( ... maybe our Calenco is totally broken now 19:22:50 <doktor5000_> marja: no worries, no haste 19:23:20 <marja> yurchor: lebarhon_: papoteur: there seems so much wrong with Calenco now, that maybe it is better to not edit or add any file for now 19:23:26 <marja> doktor5000_: :-) 19:24:02 <marja> what do you all think? 19:24:10 <papoteur> marja: Ok, I will wait for your agreement before to upload somthing 19:24:31 <yurchor> Ok. Sorry for the mess I could do by fixing some typos. 19:25:15 <marja> well, maybe I'm too frightened to make things worse.... 19:25:22 <marja> simonnzg: are you around? 19:25:53 <simonnzg> Yup. 19:26:02 <papoteur> nothing. We have not the control of the administration of Calenco, we should wait for camille. 19:26:46 <simonnzg> Reading back with interest 19:27:16 <marja> simonnzg: do you think I'm too frightened to screw things in calenco up even more, if we continue to edit and add files? (removing was impossible last time I tried) 19:28:31 <simonnzg> I suspect the versioning system is broken, but i am watching TV withba cat on my lap and only an Android tablet! 19:29:20 <simonnzg> Im not sure that using wedav is such a good idea... 19:29:26 * marja thinks everyone who has disk space, should make a full backup of our calenco 19:30:02 <lebarhon_> git isn't enough ? 19:30:55 <marja> lebarhon_: well, only the English files are in git, but for MCC most translations are, the screenshots aren't there either, nor are the stylesheets 19:31:24 <marja> add "not" to the MCC translations 19:32:00 <marja> lebarhon_: the French MCC pages aren't in git 19:32:49 <lebarhon_> how to do a full backup ? 19:34:02 <marja> lebarhon_: there are two ways, one is using webdav and just copying all of webdav://vargas.calenco.com:8284/workspaces/Documentation/content/ to a backup directory 19:35:42 <marja> lebarhon_: the other is going to http://vargas.calenco.com:8284/workspaces and clicking "export content" .... I'm not sure how well the 2nd method works, now 19:36:15 <papoteur> Ok, I will do one backup. But not all together ;) 19:36:29 <lebarhon_> the second way export a zip file 19:37:23 <lebarhon_> I think I can do that, the first way if you prefer 19:39:03 <lebarhon_> The second way gives only 235 Mo, is so few correct ? 19:39:05 <marja> papoteur: feel free to do only for your language 19:40:14 <papoteur> marja: The useful thing is to have a complete backup. 19:40:32 <lebarhon_> does anyone know the size ? 19:41:06 <marja> lebarhon_: could be, I moved a lot of Mandrake files to the Recycle Bin 19:41:30 <marja> lebarhon_: currently copying, I'll tell you the size when it is finished 19:42:19 <marja> at 59 MB, now, but still a lot to go 19:42:21 <papoteur> lebarhon_: Webdav gives 152 Mb 19:42:43 <lebarhon_> papoteur: compressed or not 19:42:57 <marja> that would be uncompressed 19:43:19 <papoteur> lebarhon_: uncompressed. 19:43:32 <marja> lebarhon_: maybe the zipped file contains the Recycle Bin, too ... that one is not in webdav (afaik) 19:43:59 <lebarhon_> I have 235 Mo compressed 19:44:28 <lebarhon_> *Mo/MB 19:45:03 <marja> lebarhon_: that is either an older version, from before I moved most Mdk files to the wastebin, or it contains it 19:45:53 <lebarhon_> marja: No, I downloaded just now 19:46:13 <lebarhon_> there is plenty of .xsl files 19:47:22 <marja> lebarhon_: about 20, I guess? 19:47:29 <lebarhon_> I can see 15 languages and no bin 19:48:40 <marja> I'm at 153 MB now, and copying finished 19:48:43 <lebarhon_> marja: 26 19:49:22 <marja> lebarhon_: maybe the zipped file contains the instruction sets for generating publications, too (that is not in webdav) 19:49:52 <lebarhon_> So, what to do ? 19:49:56 <marja> lebarhon_: but even then I don't understand how the compressed file can be larger than the uncompressed one 19:50:13 <marja> lebarhon_: save it in case we need it :) 19:50:55 <papoteur> lebarhon_: can you obtain a list of files? 19:51:04 <lebarhon_> png is already compressed, I think 19:51:13 <marja> #action marja make screenshots of the settings for the publications 19:51:45 <lebarhon_> papoteur: a list or the number ? 19:52:21 <lebarhon_> from the root, I have 386 files and 15 folders 19:53:35 <papoteur> lebarhon_: a list, thus we can compare the difference. 19:53:55 <lebarhon_> I have the list in Dolphin 19:56:46 <papoteur> lebarhon_: I look for a command. "find" seems OK, but I can not put the output in a file. 19:57:25 <lebarhon_> something like find ..... > toto.text 19:57:56 <papoteur> lebarhon_: it doesn't work. It interprets the file name. 19:58:21 <papoteur> yurchor: can you help? 19:59:05 <marja> doktor5000_: sorry, I'm an utter fool .... only installer help was translated into German, MCC help never was, so the zip file has never been there 20:00:02 <yurchor> -print > file 20:00:49 <lebarhon_> find*>toto.txt works 20:01:10 <marja> doktor5000_: translating has become easier now, there is a mcc.pot now http://gitweb.mageia.org/software/i18n/tools/plain/docs/mcc-help/mcc-help.pot 20:01:36 <marja> doktor5000_: do you mind calling for translators in the German forum? 20:01:39 <lebarhon_> papoteur: i can send you the list 20:02:18 <papoteur> lebarhon_: Fine, I got also a list. 20:03:08 <marja> lebarhon_: papoteur: can you please also compare the sizes of the screenshots? maybe the zipped ones are 800x600 ? 20:03:53 <yurchor> Got to go. I have to get up early tomorrow. Bye and thanks for the meeting. 20:04:01 <lebarhon_> papoteur: I sent you the list by e mail 20:04:05 <marja> yurchor: thx for alll your help:) 20:04:07 <papoteur> marja: 3381 lines, thus same for files. 20:04:12 <marja> yurchor: good night! 20:04:23 <marja> papoteur: ah, good 20:05:56 <papoteur> lebarhon_: received :) 20:06:11 <papoteur> 7208 files for lebarhon_list 20:08:38 <lebarhon_> I checked some images, the largest one is 835x630 20:09:00 <papoteur> the diff's are from uk and tr directories. 20:10:19 <papoteur> lebarhon_: You have an email... 20:11:11 <lebarhon_> lebarhon at free dot fr 20:11:57 <papoteur> :) yes, you have got a message. 20:13:26 <lebarhon_> I got it : 20:16:11 <papoteur> I try to compare it with libreoffice 20:17:55 <lebarhon_> I have more files everywhere, 20:19:38 <lebarhon_> You have 170 file in /de and me 650 20:20:13 <lebarhon_> I suggest to continue in the ml 20:20:41 * lebarhon_ thinks marja is sleeping 20:21:58 <papoteur> Yes, every body sleeps yet ;) 20:22:45 <papoteur> Should we close the meeting? 20:23:02 <marja> papoteur: good idea :) 20:23:10 <lebarhon_> papoteur: write the action, you know how to do that 20:23:34 <marja> lebarhon_: I was screenshotting the settings for some publications 20:24:05 <papoteur> #action papoteur and lebarhon will compare webdav and export content from Calenco. 20:24:07 <marja> lebarhon_: I think the extra ones in de are old mdk ones 20:24:38 <lebarhon_> export is already done 20:24:50 <papoteur> I see something like 20:24:52 <papoteur> acceptLicense.xml 20:24:53 <papoteur> addUser.xml 20:24:55 <papoteur> amarok-collection.png 20:24:56 <papoteur> amarok-hdd_unmount.png 20:24:58 <papoteur> amarok-messagebox_info.png 20:25:28 <lebarhon_> marja: how to know ? 20:25:58 <papoteur> #action papoteur will keep also an export from calenco. 20:26:23 <papoteur> The aim is to have backup. 20:26:38 <papoteur> #end 20:26:58 <papoteur> #end-metting 20:27:00 <marja> papoteur: because for German, only installer help was translated and I moved most of the old mdk files to the waste bin ... for instance 9 about*.xml files 20:27:27 <marja> #endmeeting