17:02:08 <marja> #startmeeting 17:02:08 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Mon May 27 17:02:08 2013 UTC. The chair is marja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:08 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:02:17 <marja> #topic https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia3_Postmortem#Documentation 17:02:46 <marja> André (lebarhon) has already written something, with which I agree 17:03:20 <marja> we do have a wonderful team 17:04:05 <marja> and we did encounter problems with translating our documentation 17:04:27 <marja> would anyone like to add something? 17:04:40 * Kernewes is trying to access the page to read it 17:04:58 * Kernewes Konversation thinks my browser is Chromium 17:05:38 * Kernewes agrees with both those things 17:05:41 <marja> Kernewes: maybe copy the link and then paste it in your real browser? 17:05:53 <Kernewes> it's ok, I've changed the preferred application setting 17:06:08 <marja> Kernewes: ah, good :) 17:06:24 <yurchor> It can be configured in Konversation. 17:06:31 <Kernewes> yes, I agree with lebarhon 17:06:39 <Kernewes> yurchor: ah, thanks 17:06:57 <yurchor> Settings->Configure Konversation->Behavior->General 17:07:21 <Kernewes> thank you 17:07:21 <yurchor> Use custom browser 17:08:53 <marja> yurchor: is there anything you'd like to add to the post-mortem? 17:09:20 <yurchor> No. So far so good. 17:09:27 <marja> yurchor: OK, thx 17:10:28 <yurchor> H-m-m... "Ninety per cent of the mails in the i18n ML are about software problems" I do not think so... 17:10:38 * marja would only like to add, that most of the time we didn't really have someone to watch what was happening in the wiki 17:11:04 * Kernewes was going to try to do that but didn't manage to find time 17:11:11 <marja> yurchor: that isn't my impression, either 17:11:52 <Kernewes> I've left QA team now, so the time I do have can be solely for docs 17:11:56 <yurchor> "Applications to write and translate doc are often the same." This sentence is also questionable... 17:11:56 <marja> yurchor: but I can understand that it feels like that for people who expected tx to be replaced long ago 17:12:04 <Kernewes> although it may not be much 17:12:52 <marja> Kernewes: you've done many great things, like this newbie section and liveCD page 17:13:05 <Kernewes> I do have my uses sometimes :) 17:13:51 <yurchor> To be honest, the only problem with migration to tx.net now is committing translations back. 17:14:03 <marja> yurchor: yep, but it was true for lebarhon, who wrote MCC help texts in Calenco with xxe and then used the same tools for tranlating 17:14:21 <yurchor> Pootle instance by Oliver is a miracle... 17:14:40 <marja> yurchor: can you update us on pootle? 17:15:28 <yurchor> You now the same thing I know: Oliver is silent... 17:15:56 <marja> yurchor: ah, you said something about a miracle... it seems I misunderstood that ;-) 17:16:13 <yurchor> And it means the only thing: we cannot migrate to Pootle in the nearest future. 17:16:21 <marja> yurchor: ouch 17:17:38 <marja> yurchor: Filip Komar wrote some script... what is that about, exactly? 17:18:06 <marja> yurchor: to more easily see what needs to be translated? 17:19:08 <yurchor> marja: It does all the job: clone the translations (no need to search them in SVN) and shows the current ststistics. 17:19:27 <yurchor> *statistics 17:19:34 <marja> yurchor: are the installer help pages included in them, too? 17:20:19 <yurchor> No, not yet. But it can be done by adding just one line into configuration file. 17:21:19 <yurchor> We are discussing lang files integration with Filip now and will include everything in the future. 17:21:20 <marja> yurchor: ah, good... can we already ask Filip to do that, or should it wait till we've migrated to SVN + po for all docteam translations? 17:22:03 <yurchor> Sure we do. Just wait for a couple of days. 17:22:12 <marja> yurchor: thx :) 17:23:09 <marja> #info Filip Komar has written a script that helps i18n to clone the translations (no need to search them in SVN) and shows the current ststistics 17:23:20 <Kernewes> is there a tool for translating wiki pages? 17:23:59 <marja> Kernewes: yes, but we can't use it, yet, there is a translate extension, but our wiki version is too old 17:24:10 <Kernewes> the reason I ask is 17:24:24 <Kernewes> I see some people have added stuff to wiki pages I wrote 17:24:27 <yurchor> No. Translate wiki extension was not integrated, so we roll back to the default. 17:24:29 <Kernewes> so the translations will need updating 17:24:55 <marja> Kernewes: yes, they will 17:24:58 <Kernewes> workaholic originally translated them into German 17:25:12 <marja> Kernewes: in future we'll have it, though http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate 17:25:43 <marja> Kernewes: yes, and he isn't around anymore (even if he seemed to come back a few months ago) 17:26:14 <Kernewes> how soon will this extension be available? 17:26:26 <Kernewes> I was thinking of doing some work on the German pages 17:26:53 <marja> Kernewes: as soon as our wiki was updated... and that might take very long, because currently only obgr_seneca can do that,a nd he is overloaded 17:27:19 <Kernewes> but it's OK to do it manually until then 17:27:30 <marja> Kernewes: great, thx :) 17:27:51 <marja> Kernewes: you know how to let the wiki show you a diff of a page? 17:28:00 <Kernewes> a what? 17:28:30 <marja> Kernewes: the differences between two versions of that page 17:28:46 <Kernewes> no,I didn't know about that 17:30:41 <yurchor> The translator can subscribe to the Atom feed of the page and recive updates in English pages directly onto his/her desktop. 17:30:43 <marja> Kernewes: if you go to the history of a page, 17:31:20 <marja> Kernewes: you can for instance compare the newest version with the last one before september 2012 17:31:23 <marja> Kernewes: https://wiki.mageia.org/mw-en/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=historysubmit&diff=16909&oldid=10166 17:31:51 <Kernewes> oh I see 17:32:02 <marja> yurchor: I hadn't even thought about that 17:32:57 <marja> Kernewes: so if you know when the DE version was translated, that way it is more easy to see what was changed 17:33:17 <marja> Kernewes: since then 17:34:06 <marja> once a page is up-to-date, the atom feed yurchor mentioned will do the rest :) 17:34:43 <Kernewes> yurchor: how do you subscribe to the atom feed? 17:35:31 <Kernewes> just found it on Toolbox 17:35:51 <yurchor> Kernewes: In the History page thereis a Atom item on the left sidebar. You can click on it. 17:36:23 <yurchor> It should open the default feed reader (Akregator) for subscription. 17:36:48 <Kernewes> yes, I see it now, do I subscribe using Live Bookmarks or something else? 17:37:11 <Kernewes> I probably haven't got a feed reader installed 17:37:24 <yurchor> Every application that is suitable can be used. 17:37:24 <Kernewes> so it uses your default one? 17:38:13 <Kernewes> I'll install one later 17:38:18 <marja> Kernewes: I suppose you do have akregator installed 17:38:25 <marja> Kernewes: if you use KDE 17:38:26 * Kernewes goes to look 17:38:55 <yurchor> Feed extension in Firefox, Internet readeers (like Google Reader was), Liferea, Opera internal Feed reader... 17:39:52 <Kernewes> haven't got one yet, got a magazine with reviews of some of them 17:40:02 <Kernewes> I'll read that and decide which one to install 17:40:38 <marja> Kernewes: fine :) 17:41:08 <Kernewes> yurchor: thanks for your help 17:41:16 <yurchor> np :) 17:41:18 <Kernewes> marja: and yours 17:42:10 <marja> #info when looking at the history of a page, you can click on the atom feed button in the left panel, to receive all future diffs for that page 17:42:56 <marja> that'll help with watching the wiki, too :) 17:43:12 <Kernewes> marja: that's true :) 17:45:17 * marja wonders whether there is an easy way to devide all pages between all people who volunteer to watch the wiki, and let each of them easily add them in one move to the watched pages 17:45:46 * Kernewes thinks that would be an awful lot of pages per person 17:46:31 <marja> Kernewes: you're right.. but most pages would not change (I hope) 17:46:56 <Kernewes> well, perhaps we hope they will because people will add things to them 17:47:26 <Kernewes> you're probably right though 17:47:27 <yurchor> It is possible to subscribe to https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Special:RecentChanges to kill the spam 17:48:05 <marja> yurchor: thx! 17:48:12 <Kernewes> yurchor: thx! 17:48:22 <marja> just subscribed to it 17:48:38 <Kernewes> will do when I have my feed reader up and running 17:48:59 <marja> #info subscribing to the atom feed of https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Special:RecentChanges helps to watch the wiki 17:51:07 <marja> OK, that is a good help ... and this week I'll mail our ml about *all* shifting to svn + po for docteam 17:52:37 <marja> #action marja mail our ml about about *all* shifting to svn + po for docteam translation 17:58:47 <marja> shall we end the meeting (I just edited our post mortem) 17:58:50 <marja> ? 17:59:06 <Kernewes> ok with me 17:59:12 <yurchor> Ok. 17:59:16 <marja> thx :) 17:59:20 <marja> #endmeeting