18:00:23 <marja> #startmeeting 18:00:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Jul 31 18:00:23 2012 UTC. The chair is marja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:23 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:30 <obgr_seneca> Kernewes: she does as well, when I come home late 18:00:41 <Kernewes> obgr_seneca: fair enough 18:00:48 <marja> #topic Wiki upgrade (or upgrade problems 18:01:08 <marja> obgr_seneca: this topic is for you :) 18:01:28 <marja> #chair obgr_seneca 18:01:28 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: marja obgr_seneca 18:01:38 <obgr_seneca> #info still no update for mediawiki package 18:01:51 <obgr_seneca> I am writing a help mail to dev and discuss right now 18:01:59 <marja> good 18:02:00 <Nikerabbit> let me know if I can help you in any way 18:02:17 <obgr_seneca> my bachelor thesis has priority right now :/ 18:02:32 <Nikerabbit> the kde webteam updated their mediawiki, I only helped to fix couple of rough edges 18:02:35 <obgr_seneca> Nikerabbit: do you have a mageia system somewhere? cauldron? 18:02:55 <Nikerabbit> obgr_seneca: nope :/ 18:02:57 <obgr_seneca> The problem is in our mediawiki package file layout 18:03:17 <Nikerabbit> are there virtual images or anything I can use? 18:03:33 <obgr_seneca> Maybe we have to change that to a standard layout without splitting things between /usr/share and /var/www 18:03:46 <obgr_seneca> Nikerabbit: Not that I know about, sorry 18:04:40 <obgr_seneca> The problem is mediawiki changed the way it's getting the path for uploading files and tries to upload files to /usr/share/mediawiki instead of to the web directory it should 18:05:12 <obgr_seneca> I would have done more about it but there's too little time right now :-( 18:05:33 <marja> no problem, your thesis is more important 18:06:01 * simonnzg back. 18:06:21 <Nikerabbit> hmm, some googling finds at least virtual box images 18:06:36 <Nikerabbit> I might give a look but no promises 18:06:56 <marja> Nikerabbit: thanks for considering to look :) 18:07:30 <simonnzg> What's wrong with aliasing /usr/share/mediawiki to /var/www ? it happens with stuff like Squirrelmail.. 18:07:37 <Nikerabbit> just fyi the upload path is just one $wgFoo variable 18:08:01 <obgr_seneca> Nikerabbit: yes, but that doesn't do the trick 18:08:23 <marja> obgr_seneca: did you reply to simonnzg? 18:08:32 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: our package was designed to install wiki farms, so you could create several wiki instances from one source code 18:08:55 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca: Time for a bigger /usr partition, then ;-) 18:09:16 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: if you like, you can have a look at it. 18:09:31 <obgr_seneca> The current package is in updates_testing in the cauldron repos 18:10:09 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca: I think I tried to get hold of it with Workaholic a couple of weeks back. 18:10:17 <obgr_seneca> :-/ 18:11:10 <marja> simonnzg: I don't remember what happened back then 18:11:38 <simonnzg> marja: I broke my MGA2 installation and had to spend a couple of hours reverting it. 18:11:44 <marja> ouch 18:11:53 <simonnzg> marja: Dependency hell. 18:12:02 <marja> great :( 18:12:19 <simonnzg> marja: I'm used to breaking things. It's the only way to learn :-P 18:12:25 <marja> :) 18:12:45 * marja is there more on this topic? 18:13:18 <obgr_seneca> not from me, sorry 18:13:22 <Kernewes> or me 18:13:39 <marja> obgr_seneca: thanks for the report :) 18:13:51 <obgr_seneca> marja: de rien 18:13:58 <marja> #topic who watch(es) the wiki? 18:14:25 <Kernewes> marja: does that mean who monitors changes or who reads it? 18:14:46 <marja> Kernewes: yes, and also new contributions, new pages 18:15:11 <marja> Kernewes: some people don't know, for instance, that we are not supposed to nest pages 18:15:26 <Kernewes> marja: I didn't know that but I wouldn't know how to :) 18:15:37 <obgr_seneca> I try to as far as my momentary time constraints allow 18:15:39 <marja> Kernewes: :) 18:15:44 <marja> obgr_seneca: thx :) 18:15:55 <obgr_seneca> If someone wants to help, he or she can ping me by mail 18:16:46 <marja> #action help obgr_seneca with watching the wiki (keeping it tidy) 18:16:55 <Kernewes> on that subject 18:16:59 <marja> #undo 18:16:59 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x8482ccc> 18:17:08 <Kernewes> can I just mention 18:17:20 <marja> #action please help obgr_seneca with watching the wiki (keeping it tidy) and ping him about it on IRC 18:17:23 <Kernewes> I've gone as far as I can go with the page about installing from live CD 18:17:33 <Kernewes> but it needs checking and perhaps expanding 18:17:37 <Kernewes> especially the partitioning bit 18:17:41 <marja> Kernewes: thx a lot :) 18:17:48 <Kernewes> too technical for me to explain 18:17:57 <Kernewes> but I hope what I have managed to do is useful 18:18:13 <marja> Kernewes: does it have the "draft" template? 18:18:20 <Kernewes> marja: I think so 18:18:24 <marja> Kernewes: it sure is useful :) 18:18:28 <Kernewes> marja: after the meeting can you let me know 18:18:32 <Kernewes> what other templates you have? 18:18:52 <marja> Kernewes: I'm not sure I know them all, but I'll look for them ;) 18:19:01 <Kernewes> I like the one about "here be dragons" 18:19:15 <simonnzg> That was me. Sorry. 18:19:28 <Kernewes> simonnzg: sorry what? I love it. 18:19:37 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca: I nest pages in my sandbox, but not on the main wiki. 18:19:45 <marja> simonnzg: please make more :) 18:19:48 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: that's ok 18:19:56 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca: Phew. 18:20:01 <marja> simonnzg: I mean templates ;) 18:20:15 <obgr_seneca> Kernewes: If you go to the "Special pages" you'll find a list of templates 18:20:22 <Kernewes> obgr_seneca: thank you 18:20:58 * marja shouldn't we ask on dev ml for people to technically review wiki pages (and official documentation)? 18:21:01 <simonnzg> marja: They're easy. I just wasn't sure how far I could take the "Dungeons and Dragons" theme on the nicely revamped and prettier wiki. 18:21:22 <Kernewes> simonnzg: nothing wrong with a bit of humour 18:21:26 <marja> simonnzg: no one complained :) 18:21:57 <simonnzg> We need a resident artist, though. 18:22:18 <Kernewes> simonnzg: don't look at me, I can't even draw stick figures 18:22:18 <simonnzg> I'm an engineer. I can only draw straight lines. 18:22:30 * marja anything else on this topic? 18:22:36 <Kernewes> no 18:22:57 <simonnzg> Nej 18:23:13 <marja> #topic Calenco: the help texts for drakxtools 18:23:41 <marja> #info what we have so far, can be seen here docteam.mageia.nl/en/DraktoolsA-Z/content/ 18:23:43 * simonnzg goes to hide. He hasn't used Calenco for a while... 18:24:41 * Kernewes goes for another cup of tea. She's never used Calenco 18:25:12 <marja> #info please make sure no two sections or no two titles have the same xml:id 18:25:21 <simonnzg> marja: This is more to do with what happens AFER Calenco, but did anyone find a .po file for en_GB? 18:25:24 <marja> #undo 18:25:24 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x840852c> 18:25:41 <simonnzg> AFER/After 18:25:41 <marja> #info please make sure no two sections or no two titles in one publication have the same xml:id 18:26:56 <marja> simonnzg: I didn't look ...... blino asked tv to say whether it would be easy to add en_GB support, but tv never replied 18:27:18 <simonnzg> marja: I'll have to check if my XML editor handles that, ut I think a file would fail parsing if it had two identical IDs. 18:27:42 <yurchor> Just of curiosity, what file should be added and where? 18:28:09 <simonnzg> marja: I expect adding en_GB support would be easy. I certainly can't see why it shouldn't be as easy as adding any other new language. 18:28:30 <marja> simonnzg: earlier today, we had two files with xml:id="command" for a section.... that broke the publication 18:29:07 * Kernewes back with tea 18:29:12 <marja> yurchor: are you talking about en_GB now? 18:29:17 <Disa> marja: Yup, sorry bout that one lol. Won't happen again 18:29:29 <marja> Disa: np :) 18:29:54 <yurchor> marja: Yes. There are files fro pt_BR everywhere... What is the trouble with en_GB? 18:30:32 <simonnzg> yurchor: Some people don't believe it's a localisation (or should that be localization).. 18:30:42 <marja> yurchor: no problem for me, only nobody, except (I hope) tv, knows whether it is easy to add support for an additional language 18:30:56 <simonnzg> marja: It's easy. Believe me. 18:31:35 <yurchor> So why not to go eahead and add it to translations without asking developers? 18:32:17 <yurchor> It's l10n, it's not the developers realm... 18:32:25 <simonnzg> yurchor: Look here. I can't remember if this is still current, but it will give you the idea. http://svnweb.mageia.org/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/help/ 18:32:26 <[mbot> [ [soft] Index of /drakx/trunk/perl-install/install/help ] 18:32:42 <simonnzg> You were there ony a couple of weeks ago! 18:33:17 <marja> yurchor: that is fine with me...... 18:33:40 <marja> #info en_GB has just been added as additional language in Calenco 18:34:31 <marja> yurchor: but translations for any drak* tool should be done by i18n 18:35:17 <yurchor> Cannot understand the problem... Just translate (even with the known scripts) and commit. That's all... 18:35:46 <marja> yurchor: that would be great :) 18:35:59 <simonnzg> yurchor: I suspect that is exactly why tv didn't reply to the question. To him it wasn't an issue. 18:36:38 <marja> simonnzg: maybe you're correct...... if that is the way he thinks, we can have our test help files for installer packaged 18:38:05 <marja> #action marja ask ryoshu to package the test help files 18:38:44 <simonnzg> marja: I think if I had too much work and too little time I'd probably still respond, but I think his lack of a response was a "yes". 18:41:13 * marja does anyone know translators for languages that installer help hasn't been translated into, yet? 18:42:42 <marja> Disa: how far is the Spanish translation ..... have you been proofreading? 18:44:11 <Disa> marja: Umm not really, Julio never responded to my email asking if i could help so I didn't look into it anymore 18:44:39 <marja> Disa: OK, np ...... it seems he is progressing fine http://docteam.mageia.nl/es/installer/content/ 18:44:40 <[mbot> [ Installation with DrakX ] 18:45:14 <marja> Disa: next time he joins this channel, I hope I'll think about asking him 18:45:26 <marja> Disa: maybe his mailbox gets flooded with mails 18:46:30 <Disa> marja: Yeah from what I'm seeing he's gone along pretty well since I first saw the page. Ok 18:46:43 <marja> :) 18:47:03 * marja is there more about Calenco? 18:48:12 <marja> #topic anything else that needs to be said 18:48:35 <marja> does anyone have any questions or remarks? 18:48:56 <Kernewes> I managed to proofread some more German wiki pages last week 18:49:03 <Kernewes> still have about 80 probably to do 18:49:19 <Kernewes> if possible I want to try to get it done before the ISOs come out for testing 18:49:28 <Kernewes> if real life doesn't get in the way too much 18:49:48 <marja> Kernewes: thanks a lot! 18:49:57 <Kernewes> marja: yw 18:50:06 <Kernewes> marja: enjoying using my German again 18:50:12 <marja> Kernewes: great :) 18:50:54 <marja> Kernewes: there were a lot of QA pages (most of them empty, I think) that were deleted in the EN wiki, 18:51:09 <marja> Kernewes: we might have forgotten to delete them in the German wiki 18:51:28 <Kernewes> marja: which ones were they? I'll check. 18:51:48 <Kernewes> or are the links still there 18:51:55 <Kernewes> but no text on the pages? 18:51:58 <marja> Kernewes: alphabetical ones, about testing procedures 18:52:11 <Kernewes> marja: we need those, don't we? 18:52:23 <Kernewes> marja: or are they old ones 18:52:41 <Kernewes> marja: QA is trying to get a comprehensive set on the wiki 18:52:50 <Kernewes> marja: I just wrote one myself :) 18:53:28 <marja> Kernewes: in the EN wiki, they are replaced by pages in the QA_procedure space 18:53:31 <MrsB> you did a grand job too :) 18:53:39 <Kernewes> MrsB: thank you 18:53:44 <marja> Kernewes: so by those https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Testing_procedures 18:53:50 <Kernewes> MrsB: Stormi was very nice about it too 18:54:02 <marja> Kernewes: great :) 18:54:04 <Kernewes> marja: so what space do I need to look in 18:54:21 <MrsB> night guys 18:54:27 <marja> Kernewes: I think the space didn't translate 18:54:31 <marja> MrsB: night :) 18:54:37 <Kernewes> night, and don't forgt to practise your electronic autograph 18:54:45 <Kernewes> forget 18:55:00 <Kernewes> marja: did you see the link to her interview in Distrowatch Weekly? 18:55:11 <marja> so it might be QA_procedure: in the de wiki, too 18:55:22 <marja> Kernewes: no, I didn't 18:55:24 * annew apologises for coming in late, but has read all the scrollback 18:55:34 <marja> annew: thanks for coming! 18:55:50 <Kernewes> marja: so I'm looking for empty pages 18:56:11 <Kernewes> and if the equivalent ones are still in the German wiki 18:56:16 <Kernewes> tell you so you can delete them? 18:56:29 <marja> Kernewes: yes, please :) 18:56:30 <Kernewes> don't want to get mixed up :) 18:56:37 <Kernewes> it doesn't take much :) 18:56:43 <marja> thx :) 18:57:07 <marja> annew: I'm glad you made it to the meeting :) 18:57:18 <marja> annew: do you have anything to ask or say? 18:59:38 <marja> apparently not :) 18:59:46 <marja> #endmeeting