18:00:53 <marja> #startmeeting 18:00:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Meeting started Tue Apr 3 18:00:53 2012 UTC. The chair is marja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:53 <Inigo_Montoya`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:08 <marja> grenoya: thx..... 2 is enough for a meeting ;) 18:01:17 <marja> but sebsebseb was around too 18:01:31 <marja> doktor5000_: simonnzg ping? 18:02:10 <marja> gelb5: hi 18:02:10 <Umeaboy_mobile> Hi! 18:02:15 <marja> Umeaboy_mobile: hi 18:02:24 <gelb5> marja: Good Evening! 18:02:29 <marja> :) 18:02:45 <Umeaboy_mobile> I'll be leaving soon. On the bus via wifi. 18:03:00 <marja> #topic synchronisation between installer help in Calenco and in wiki 18:03:06 <Umeaboy_mobile> What's the subject? 18:03:10 <marja> Umeaboy_mobile: np 18:03:11 <Umeaboy_mobile> Hehe 18:03:14 <sebsebseb> Hi I am here 18:03:21 <marja> sebsebseb: good :) 18:03:51 <Umeaboy_mobile> I'm still waiting for the reply from obgr_seneca. 18:04:00 <marja> barjac: if you want to join the meeting, you are welcome 18:04:12 <Umeaboy_mobile> About the test-wiki. 18:04:22 <sebsebseb> Umeaboy_mobile: yep ok :) 18:04:31 <sebsebseb> did you email him about that? 18:04:35 <marja> Umeaboy_mobile: obgr_seneca will come later, or not at all...... did you mail him? mail works best for him 18:04:38 <Umeaboy_mobile> Yes. 18:04:43 <marja> Umeaboy_mobile: good 18:04:50 <sebsebseb> Umeaboy_mobile: ok good :) 18:05:12 <Umeaboy_mobile> Gotta go now. See ya. Take care. 18:05:23 <sebsebseb> Umeaboy_mobile: bye bye 18:05:35 <marja> I'm wondering wether we need to take the trouble to copy everything we do in Calenco, to the wiki 18:05:50 <sebsebseb> might be quite a good idea 18:06:22 <marja> it is a lot of extra work, and we can see what is in calenco here (temporarily on my server) http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/webhelp/content/ 18:06:23 <Magbot> [ Installation with DrakX ] 18:06:29 <gelb5> marja: Simply link to something like your Calenco mirror from the wiki.?? 18:07:14 <marja> gelb5: yes, I think that would be better..... and then only keep the wiki for suggestions to improve the text. 18:07:45 <gelb5> marja: I'm with you on that! 18:07:54 <sebsebseb> gelb5: Calenco mirror the link she just gave? 18:08:06 <gelb5> sebsebseb: Yurp 18:08:10 <sebsebseb> yep that makes sense 18:08:12 <sebsebseb> link to that from the wiki 18:08:21 <gelb5> sebsebseb: Yes 18:08:33 <marja> gelb5: do you want to make that link.... I love to delegate :) 18:08:40 <gelb5> No sense in doing everything twice. 18:08:44 <sebsebseb> true 18:09:09 <marja> gelb5: ^^^ ? 18:09:13 <gelb5> marja: I thought we'd asked for a more permanent version of your site in Mageia-land? Did that happen? 18:09:27 <marja> gelb5: we did ask, and we didn't get so far 18:09:38 <barjac> marja: Hi - thanks - will read and try to learn ;) 18:09:58 <marja> gelb5: also, rda is against it because it won't have an accessible history 18:10:11 <marja> barjac: fine, welcome 18:10:16 <grenoya> marja: it may be the good time to ask again as there has been a discution for artwork and marcom on sysadmin ML today 18:10:40 <gelb5> marja: It won't have an accessable history where it is, either. 18:10:41 * marja to all: barjac helped with the installer help texts from scratch 18:10:58 <marja> gelb5: that is true :) 18:11:12 <marja> grenoya: thanks, I did not read that discussion 18:11:41 <marja> grenoya: can you give a summary... or is it too complicated? 18:11:50 <sebsebseb> grenoya: What was that about Marcom and artwork? 18:12:24 <grenoya> artwork and marcom are asking for some space to stock and share 18:12:42 <sebsebseb> grenoya: oh right yeah there it is in the Mageia-sysadmm section of my Thunderbird 18:12:50 <grenoya> a discussion has been launched on 'how to do that' 18:13:11 <sebsebseb> marja: those emails also get publically archived like most of the mailing lists for Mageia 18:13:11 <grenoya> for now they talk abour webdav 18:13:12 <marja> grenoya: and we can ask for the same, and ask them to save all changes :) 18:13:43 <grenoya> so maybe it's time to put our nose into this discussion :) 18:13:50 <marja> grinz :) 18:14:01 <grenoya> for storage space and visibility on the web site 18:14:17 <marja> grenoya: and I should have opened a bug report for it 18:14:34 * sebsebseb has quite a lot of emails to catch up on today, the ones just being talked about are now some of them 18:15:30 <marja> #action marja open bug report for the request to have a mageia subdomain for doc team and sends a mail to sysadmin ml as well 18:16:26 <marja> #action gelb5 or marja make a link from the wiki to the Calenco "mirror" 18:16:50 <barjac> I find it diff 18:16:55 <gelb5> marja: I'll do it in the morning, when I have more time to think about where to link from, unless you have any ideas? 18:16:57 <sebsebseb> not sure if that last one needs an action really :D I mean it's just adding a link into the wiki :) 18:17:04 <marja> gelb5: fine 18:17:15 <marja> barjac: diff = ? 18:17:30 <marja> difficult, different? 18:17:31 * Led43_mag2 is here now and scanning down 18:17:32 <gelb5> sebsebseb: I like the easy jobs ;-) 18:17:36 <sebsebseb> marja: difficult 18:17:40 <marja> Led43_mag2: welcome :) 18:17:46 <sebsebseb> marja: in that context I think :) 18:18:13 <marja> sebsebseb: I want to make sure I understand correctly ;) 18:18:17 <sebsebseb> ok :) 18:18:37 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: hello 18:18:49 <Led43_mag2> hi all 18:19:56 <marja> well, now that all files are started again, they need to be written, reviewed etc.... Barjac, would it be possible for you to work in the wiki now? 18:19:58 <sebsebseb> gelb5: yeah 18:20:31 <marja> barjac: that way there is more chance someone who fills a page in Calenco, will see your contribution 18:20:42 <sebsebseb> barjac on the subject of the wiki, well I haven't done it yet, but would you help with the Grub issues page, you know what I mean 18:21:20 <marja> it seems barjac had to go 18:21:25 <barjac> marja: OK - yes sounds fine 18:21:36 <marja> barjac: great, thanks 18:21:57 <sebsebseb> marja: thinking about installing Mageia 2 Beta 2 this week, after having Ubuntu and Mint on here already, so can test booting them up from Mageia 1's Grub 0.97, remember I mentioend this before. Ubuntu's Grub 2 boots up Mageia 1 ok though :) 18:22:12 <barjac> marja: sorry - just eating ;) 18:22:16 <marja> sebsebseb: fine :) 18:22:16 * Led43_mag2 is confused do we all work on the wiki, calenco or http://waesvanm.home 18:22:22 <marja> barjac: bon appetit 18:22:59 <sebsebseb> marja: not quite sure where to add the wiki page 18:23:02 <marja> #info http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/webhelp/content/ is automatically generated from Calenco 18:23:03 <Magbot> [ Installation with DrakX ] 18:23:08 <barjac> Led43_mag2: +1 18:23:11 <sebsebseb> I guess makes more sense when I am logged into the wiki though :) 18:23:38 <marja> #info within seconds after a Calenco file is edited, it is changed there, too 18:24:09 <marja> Led43_mag2: and barjac ^^^ is it more clear now? 18:24:36 <Led43_mag2> marja: yes 18:25:25 <gelb5> I made some changes in Calenco today and watched Marja's site updating a few minutes later. 18:25:32 <marja> barjac: Led43_mag2 if you want to edit the files in Calenco instead of writing in the wiki and having someone else do the changes in Calenco 18:25:59 <Led43_mag2> would it be an idea to add a section or note to the installation txts about the dangers of duel booting with grub 1 / 2 distros 18:26:05 <marja> that is OK, too, there are just some extra things to explain 18:26:15 <Led43_mag2> marja: yes i have a calenco account now 18:26:39 <barjac> So how would I know that edits to wiki are not going to be overwritten by someone in Calenco 18:27:18 <marja> barjac: I don't understand the question 18:27:43 <sebsebseb> gelb5: ok nice :) 18:27:50 <marja> barjac: or is it " - not " ? 18:28:35 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: to the erratta or someting yeah, not tested it out yet myself, the Mageia's Grub 0.97 booting up Ubuntu or Mint, barjac knows properly about this stuff though 18:28:43 <marja> barjac: if someone adds your edits to Calenco, he should leave a note in the wiki that he did so 18:28:47 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: which is why really I think it would be good if he started such a page, or helped with it :) 18:29:43 <sebsebseb> there should be a wiki page that gets pointed to from the erratta on this subject 18:29:49 <marja> barjac: is that OK for you? 18:30:02 <Led43_mag2> marja: barjac and maybe give you a ping on irc if you are there 18:30:11 <barjac> marja: time permitting - yes 18:30:13 <marja> Led43_mag2: good idea 18:30:26 <marja> barjac: thx :) 18:30:59 * marja wonders whether she forgets something 18:32:18 <marja> #action if you import some of the wiki edits of barjac or of someone else into Calenco, then leave a message in the wiki that you did so and ping the one who wrote the edit on IRC 18:32:48 <marja> does anyone have anything else on this? 18:33:09 <gelb5> marja: No 18:33:16 <barjac> marja: My problem is knowing what is done and what needs to be done. 18:33:46 <Led43_mag2> just one thing some one has been using the mag logo and designed us our own font 18:34:23 <marja> barjac: you can see what is done in the "mirror".... all needed files are there now.... but some are only just started 18:35:11 <marja> barjac: if it helps, you can look at the depricated files (with the screenshots I still need to add to the new ones) 18:35:32 <marja> s/depricated/deprecated/ 18:36:14 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: I kept on telling him to take the font stuff to the artwork team mailing list, but that's not happended 18:36:15 <marja> barjac: http://waesvanm.home.xs4all.nl/Deprecated/content/ 18:36:16 <Magbot> [ Depricated - Installation with DrakX ] 18:36:34 * marja keeps spelling that word wrong 18:36:42 <barjac> marja: OK I'll ping you later 18:36:51 <marja> barjac: fine :) 18:37:04 <Led43_mag2> as the do team it would be good if we used it in our documentation 18:37:18 <Led43_mag2> *doc 18:37:20 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: only if the font is good enough for Mageia standards, might not be 18:37:38 <marja> any more about this topic? 18:38:24 <sebsebseb> also if it's good enough, it could be used in the distro itself in the future, but even if it was soon mentioned on the artwork team mailing list, I am quite sure that won't happen for Mageia 2 18:38:28 <Led43_mag2> sebsebseb: its very good, he has spent the last two weeks working on it has most if not all foreign accents 18:38:40 <Led43_mag2> not extra topics here 18:38:51 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: I haven't seen it yet should ask him for a link 18:38:57 <marja> can we close the meeting? 18:39:03 <sebsebseb> marja: yep 18:39:06 <grenoya> no 18:39:22 <marja> grenoya: what do you want to say? 18:39:34 <grenoya> I wanted to start a reflection about the tools we are using for the documentation 18:39:45 <marja> fine... go ahead 18:39:53 <grenoya> I don't want to change anything for mga2 of course :) 18:40:02 <marja> :) 18:40:29 <Led43_mag2> grenoya: second that 18:40:44 <grenoya> I find a system (python documentation tool) that can be used for html page, books... 18:41:00 <grenoya> and that is as easy to write as a wiki syntax :) 18:41:11 <marja> that sounds interesting 18:41:23 <grenoya> and, bonus, this syntax can be included into mediawiki 18:41:38 <marja> that sounds even more interesting 18:41:56 <grenoya> when i'll have time, i'll write an example to show you all the result on html, book and mediawiki 18:42:13 <Led43_mag2> grenoya: so wahts the tool called 18:42:15 <grenoya> so compared to calenco : no more xml :) 18:42:22 <grenoya> Led43_mag2: sphinx 18:42:40 <marja> grenoya: fine..... I'm curious :) 18:42:58 <grenoya> but, we will have to convert from mediawiki or calenco into the new syntax :\ 18:43:11 <grenoya> but we will have 7months for that 18:43:21 <marja> grenoya: can't we export from calenco to html? 18:43:49 <marja> grenoya: I guess not 18:43:58 <grenoya> maybe copy/paste from calenco will be better 18:44:35 <marja> grenoya: well, you'll find out what works best :) 18:44:51 <grenoya> as it's not the priority, i did not yet worked on it, but i really want to show you, even if you don't agree 18:44:57 <marja> grenoya: besides, we don't have many pages now, only the help pages for installer 18:44:59 <grenoya> marja: perfect :) 18:45:49 <marja> #action grenoya will test sphinx (documentation tool) and show us the results 18:46:17 <marja> grenoya: I'm also curious about history keeping 18:46:29 <grenoya> i'll do that on a true installer page in order not to loose time :) 18:46:42 <marja> grenoya: great :) 18:47:24 <grenoya> sphinx is just the tool that transforme the syntax into html or book, so we could use a mageia webdev repository for that :) 18:47:58 <marja> I'm very curious :) 18:48:08 <marja> grenoya: thx :) 18:48:19 <marja> OK, is there anything else? 18:48:31 <grenoya> nopr :) 18:48:38 <grenoya> nope* 18:48:46 <gelb5> http://sphinx.pocoo.org/ 18:48:47 <Magbot> [ Overview Sphinx 1.1.3 documentation ] 18:48:56 <marja> thx gelb5 :) 18:49:00 <gelb5> :-) 18:49:04 <marja> #endmeeting