18:00:47 <marja> #startmeeting 18:00:47 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Mar 27 18:00:47 2012 UTC. The chair is marja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:47 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:03 <marja> sebsebseb: and obgr_seneca, you are here 18:01:16 * JohnR ishere 18:01:17 <marja> JohnR: are you around.... and simonnzg ? 18:01:20 <obgr_seneca> I think I sm :) 18:01:21 <marja> great :) 18:01:26 <sebsebseb> I think Led43_Mag1 is away , but in that cas\e will probably join us again soon 18:01:31 <obgr_seneca> s/sm/am/ 18:01:33 <marja> sebsebseb: thx 18:01:47 <marja> #topic Calenco 18:02:06 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2 even going by the name he was using not long ago in #mageia 18:02:18 <marja> yesterday we heard that we can't start from scratch after Mageia 2 stable release.... 18:02:34 <marja> the Mdv helpfiles can't be used at all 18:02:42 <sebsebseb> yeah there was somethign in the council meeting 18:02:52 <marja> so I started some sample pages in Calenco 18:03:11 <marja> and made 1 and a half new help page 18:03:32 <marja> we should remove all the Mdv text from the wiki 18:03:36 <sebsebseb> the helpfiles the uhmm thing from Mandriva that was going to get changed and put into Mageia, I assume? 18:03:49 <sebsebseb> le2005 or whatever it was called? 18:03:55 <marja> but anything that was written by one of us, can remain 18:04:15 <marja> sebsebseb: those 2005 help files can't be used 18:04:20 <marja> for legal issues 18:04:24 <sebsebseb> yep ok 18:05:00 <obgr_seneca> There are some covered by gnu license iirc 18:05:07 <obgr_seneca> those can stay I'd say 18:05:15 <marja> #info in Calenco is a folder "Samples"... in it ar sample pages, for instance with a list, or with icons 18:05:22 * Led43_mag2 is here 18:05:30 <Led43_mag2> sorry i'm late 18:05:32 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: or now you are :D 18:05:36 <sebsebseb> no problem :) 18:05:51 <marja> #info there is also a folder "NewInstallerText" all new files should go in there 18:05:58 <marja> Led43_mag2: welcome :) 18:06:10 <sebsebseb> so most of the Calenco work so far can't be used it seems, that's ashame 18:06:20 <marja> Led43_mag2: I already started using one of your helptexts for the new installer help 18:06:57 <marja> #info the page naming will be different now, we will use the names of the anchors in installer 18:07:22 <marja> #info check this mail for a list of those names https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/arc/doc-discuss/2012-03/msg00114.html 18:07:23 <Magbot> [ doc-discuss - Discussions about Mageia documentation - arc_protect ] 18:07:26 <obgr_seneca> marja: citing from the mdv license: 18:07:30 <obgr_seneca> The chapters listed in the table below are protected by a different license. Consult the table and links for more details about these licenses. 18:08:21 <marja> obgr_seneca: we are not going to use them at all, because non of the Mdv calenco documentation is cc-by-sa or equivalent 18:08:22 <obgr_seneca> the three chapters underneath are covered by a gnu license 18:08:34 * Led43_mag2 none of my text is from mdv, i'm doing an install and taking notes 18:08:46 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: ok good :) 18:08:47 <marja> Led43_mag2: yes, great :) 18:08:48 <obgr_seneca> it's your choice 18:09:20 <marja> obgr_seneca: you were in the meeting last night? 18:09:23 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: maybe GNU lisence text can be used some how, but it seems Magiea likes this cc-by-sa or equivalent 18:09:40 <obgr_seneca> marja: yes I was 18:09:48 <marja> at the end of the meeting I asked.... we can't use those texts, not even temporarily 18:10:01 <obgr_seneca> not those covered by mdv license 18:10:14 <Led43_mag2> what's our the calenco url 18:10:22 <obgr_seneca> but if we use those three chapters under gpl, it should be ok 18:10:35 <obgr_seneca> about 90% of our soft is gpl licensed 18:10:40 <obgr_seneca> but I leave it to you 18:10:44 <marja> http://vargas.calenco.com:8284/workspaces/Documentation 18:10:51 <Led43_mag2> marja: ta 18:11:01 <marja> hope the link is OK 18:12:02 <marja> obgr_seneca: sorry, legal texts aren't my thing.... when rda and ennael and boklm say I can't use them, I don't use them 18:12:17 <obgr_seneca> ok 18:12:32 <Led43_mag2> marja: i need a password? will that be the one i get when i get calenco account 18:12:36 <marja> Led43_mag2: does the link work 18:12:41 <JohnR> Led43_mag2: Email me for credentials john at neodoc dot biz 18:12:48 <sebsebseb> hi JohnR :) 18:12:54 <sebsebseb> also was about to put osmething like that 18:13:04 <Led43_mag2> JohnR: will do after the meet 18:13:06 <JohnR> Led43_mag2: include your magiea id 18:13:23 <Led43_mag2> JohnR: ok 18:14:01 <marja> OK, grenoya and MrsB have done an enormous job making our first installer help..... I'm trying not to let them do things again they did before 18:14:20 <marja> but they have already helped with other things :) 18:14:45 <sebsebseb> marja: it will be quite annoying for them in a way to re do things, but I expect they both will, so things are nice and legal :) 18:15:06 <marja> I'd like to give MrsB's list of xml tags that were used a lot in the Mdv Manual 18:15:12 <marja> need to find it 18:16:29 <marja> sorry, don't see it, it is in the wiki 18:16:53 <marja> https://wiki.mageia.org/en/XML_tags_used_in_previous_documentation 18:17:06 <marja> it can be useful to look at those tags 18:17:20 <marja> are there any questions? 18:17:54 <marja> oh... simonnzg I have a question for you 18:18:11 <marja> are you looking into xls? 18:18:26 <sebsebseb> is simonnzg even here I wonder 18:18:45 <marja> on the train going home, probably 18:18:48 <sebsebseb> yep 18:19:01 <marja> well, that was the first topic 18:19:06 <marja> #topic 18:19:14 <marja> #undo 18:19:14 <Inigo_Montoya> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x83cb7cc> 18:19:28 <marja> #topic Wiki 18:19:54 <marja> obgr_seneca: you've been very busy with very many things... 18:20:13 <obgr_seneca_> yep 18:20:14 <marja> I don't know whether you have any news regarding the wiki 18:20:28 <obgr_seneca> actually I don't 18:20:45 <obgr_seneca> I asked the sysadmins to give you and me at least admin rights in the wiki 18:20:54 <Led43_mag2> i looked today and noticed some of the help txts are still missing on the installer txt 18:20:54 <obgr_seneca> but no reaction till now 18:21:07 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: well you were going to update your local communites page, with more info about local communites i think for example 18:21:26 <obgr_seneca> What I'd like to do is discuss with people about their pages 18:21:37 <marja> Led43_mag2: we have to start from scratch, so all help pages need to be done 18:21:44 <marja> obgr_seneca: in a meeting? 18:21:57 <obgr_seneca> perhaps or on the ml 18:22:36 <marja> is it easy to find their e-mail addresses? 18:22:58 <sebsebseb> sure just email the docs team mailing list, and that reminds me, I should join it 18:23:04 <obgr_seneca> E.g. https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_build_Imprudence_viewer_in_Mageia is no mga related doc 18:23:07 <Led43_mag2> marja: can you del all the illegal sections from those two pages and i will knockle down and get as much done as pos 18:23:08 * marja knows there are some horrible pages she imported 18:23:13 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: that's one of Umeaboy's pages 18:23:23 <marja> Led43_mag2: yes, OK 18:23:32 <marja> Led43_mag2: thx a lot 18:23:54 <obgr_seneca> yep, and it might be something upstream could use but what it has to do in Mga wiki beats me 18:24:05 <marja> obgr_seneca: did you give him credentials for the test wiki? 18:24:14 <obgr_seneca> He didn't ask me 18:24:21 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: yeah Umeaboy has contact with at least one of the imprudence devs online 18:24:27 <obgr_seneca> Actually, if he asks me directly I will do 18:24:28 <Led43_mag2> obgr_seneca: i had a chat with the author about that and what the wiki is for and priorities 18:24:47 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: Umeaboy? 18:25:20 <obgr_seneca> I really don't want to imprint my personal opinion of what should be in the wiki on others 18:25:22 <Led43_mag2> sebsebseb: yes 18:25:29 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: heh heh 18:25:42 <obgr_seneca> But if I see something, that is better off somewhere else, I want to discuss that 18:25:50 <sebsebseb> yep fair enough :) 18:25:58 <marja> obgr_seneca: so you don't agree that adding "in Mageia" to a subject makes it a Mageia thing ;) 18:25:58 <Led43_mag2> obgr_seneca: i told him it would be better hosted on imprudence's wiki 18:26:14 <obgr_seneca> And why else did I create that fantastic looking template :D 18:26:25 <JohnR> I'm with obgr_seneca - if it's not directly related to Mga it shouldn't be there 18:26:32 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: as for Umeaboy well, I think Led43_mag2 and myself can get him to ask you for access to the test wiki, some time in #mageia-social for example I am thinking 18:27:06 <obgr_seneca> he can just send me an email: obgr_seneca@mageia.org 18:27:15 <sebsebseb> well yeah or that 18:27:22 <marja> OK, we'll tell him when we see him 18:27:27 <sebsebseb> he'll just need to be told by someone to contact you, that's what I mean 18:27:35 <obgr_seneca> yep 18:27:45 * Led43_mag2 thinks the wiki should be for software in mag repos and hardware 18:27:55 <sebsebseb> in general yes 18:27:56 <JohnR> echo 18:28:00 <obgr_seneca> The other thing I'm waiting for is the interwiki link possibility 18:28:14 <obgr_seneca> afaik it's just two entries in the database 18:28:24 <Led43_mag2> interwiki? 18:28:52 <JohnR> Simons graphix plugin isn't in yet either I think 18:28:56 <obgr_seneca> we have https://wiki.mageia.org/de/ now 18:29:12 <sebsebseb> might be worth having a section, explaining how to install some software into Mageia that isn't in the repos. As long as the instructions are checked, that they are good. In fact all of the instructions for anything on the wiki should be checked, that they are good instructions. 18:29:25 <Led43_mag2> interwiki links between different languages 18:29:30 <obgr_seneca> and mediawiki provides the possibility to create links between those 18:29:53 <Led43_mag2> i get it 18:30:36 <obgr_seneca> So you can add an entry [en:Main page] on the German main page and it will be listed in the left hand menu as translation 18:30:54 <Led43_mag2> sebsebseb: priority is our own software and hardware install help 18:31:01 <sebsebseb> Led43_mag2: yep :) 18:31:16 <sebsebseb> and any installation help for Mageia itself of course as well 18:31:28 <obgr_seneca> yep 18:32:00 <Led43_mag2> we can use the installer txts to help with that 18:32:15 <obgr_seneca> What I would ask those people among doc team that are not actively engaged in the calenco business 18:32:36 <obgr_seneca> to go through the wiki and clean up unneeded Categories 18:32:58 <obgr_seneca> and add the "to be deleted" template on pages, that er no good 18:33:15 <obgr_seneca> you can look at the one I linked above, how to do it 18:33:28 <sebsebseb> oh ok 18:33:36 <marja> feel free to delete pages I imported from Mdv 18:33:47 <obgr_seneca> Then we can at some time discuss those pages and perhaps remove them or make them good enough so they can stay 18:33:53 <marja> most of them were never adjusted 18:34:04 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: ok 18:34:22 <obgr_seneca> that's about all from my side tonight 18:34:36 <marja> OK.. thanks obgr_seneca :) 18:34:38 <obgr_seneca> but I took some workload yesterday evening :/ 18:34:41 <marja> any questions? 18:34:55 <marja> obgr_seneca: you sure did! 18:35:34 <marja> obgr_seneca: please remember the words you wrote to me and say them to yourself :) 18:35:53 <obgr_seneca> marja: I try to 18:36:00 <marja> #topic anything that needs to be said 18:36:02 <obgr_seneca> but when I need them I forget them again :) 18:36:04 <marja> obgr_seneca: good! 18:36:09 <marja> obgr_seneca: ouch 18:36:27 <marja> does anybody have any questions? 18:36:29 <sebsebseb> anything that needs to be said? Nope not form me. 18:36:38 <Led43_mag2> nope 18:36:43 <obgr_seneca> well I have one thing that should be said 18:36:45 <JohnR> not here 18:36:52 <marja> obgr_seneca: yes? 18:37:04 <Led43_mag2> all ears 18:37:20 <obgr_seneca> I want to say "thanks" to marja, grenoya, simonnzg and all the others for doing such a great work on the calenco stuff! 18:37:33 <Led43_mag2> +1 18:37:34 <sebsebseb> obgr_seneca: that now needs re doing though hmm 18:37:40 <marja> obgr_seneca: and not to forget MrsB and JohnR :) 18:37:55 <obgr_seneca> sorry JohnR and MrsB 18:38:10 * marja learnt a lot from working from the old help files 18:38:13 <JohnR> obgr_seneca: who me? why? :-) 18:38:15 <obgr_seneca> You have to live with "all the others", no harm intended 18:38:15 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca: That's very kind of you, but I was learning as fast as everyone else.. :-) 18:38:29 <sebsebseb> marja: good :) 18:38:33 <marja> obgr_seneca: thanks :) 18:38:42 <JohnR> echo 18:38:54 <sebsebseb> JohnR: what's this echo stuff about like a +1 or something? 18:38:55 <marja> shall we end the meeting? 18:39:03 <JohnR> sebsebseb: yes 18:39:04 <obgr_seneca> ok with me 18:39:07 <sebsebseb> JohnR: ok :) 18:39:07 <Led43_mag2> ok by me 18:39:10 <sebsebseb> yep ok end it 18:39:11 <simonnzg> marja: Did you have a question for me or was it answered? Just arrived. 18:39:35 <marja> yep, the xls stuff... did you get a chance to look into that? 18:39:45 <Led43_mag2> simonnzg: loads we been waiting for a reply ;) 18:40:18 <marja> simonnzg: but np if you didn't, I guess we don't need much style for the installer texts :) 18:40:30 <sebsebseb> simonnzg: make sure to read the log/scrollback 18:41:02 <simonnzg> sebsebseb: I'm reading it as fast as I can! 18:41:15 <sebsebseb> simonnzg: however a quick summary, the Calenco stuff needs re doing 18:41:21 <marja> simonnzg: shall we leave that question till next meeting? 18:41:33 <sebsebseb> and the wiki needs some improving 18:41:44 <marja> simonnzg: we were just about to end the meeting 18:42:12 <sebsebseb> marja: can chat more outside the meeting, so I think it's ok to end it now 18:42:18 <marja> #endmeeting