19:00:21 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting 19:00:21 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Feb 7 19:00:21 2012 UTC. The chair is obgr_seneca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:21 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:39 <obgr_seneca> Hi there and theank you all for being here tonight 19:00:43 <obgr_seneca> #chair marja 19:00:43 <Inigo_Montoya> Current chairs: marja obgr_seneca 19:00:53 <MrsB2> :) 19:01:04 <obgr_seneca> JohnR seems not to be awake tonight 19:01:29 <obgr_seneca> And that's when I wanted to ask him about last meeting's actions :( 19:02:17 <marja> obgr_seneca: I can report about my 1 action 19:02:34 <obgr_seneca> yep? 19:03:48 <marja> linuxguy101 would like to be in a "modern media" devision of the doc team, but he doesn't think our meetings are boring (that was one of the reasons I gave for having that seperate devision) 19:04:08 <marja> macxi feels honoured, but he hasn't got any time 19:04:23 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:04:46 <obgr_seneca> I see, linuxguy101 isn't here tonight, so we can't discuss it 19:05:17 <obgr_seneca> #info linuxguy101 would like to do some "modern media" doc 19:05:30 <MrsB2> I think its a good idea 19:05:38 <obgr_seneca> #info maxci sadly doesn't have the time to do things for us 19:05:52 <obgr_seneca> about my actions: 19:06:32 <obgr_seneca> misc resolved that picture bug by replacing imagemagick by gd 19:06:38 <obgr_seneca> #info misc resolved that picture bug by replacing imagemagick by gd 19:06:56 <obgr_seneca> actually I had nothing to do with it, just fell into my lap 19:06:57 <MrsB2> there is a bug created for the packaged mediawiki too in case anybody uses it 19:07:21 <obgr_seneca> #info I forgot to ask boklm about allowed file formats 19:07:42 <simonnzg> MrsB2: Was that my "bug"?? 19:07:47 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca ask boklm about allowed file formats (again) 19:07:51 <marja> boklm: ping? 19:08:00 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: The maintainer saw it 19:08:24 <obgr_seneca> actually he is about to update mediawiki to 1.18.1 in cauldron 19:08:28 <MrsB2> simonnzg: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4366 19:08:44 <obgr_seneca> and I will look into 1.16.5 for Mga1 19:09:26 <boklm> marja: pong 19:09:32 <obgr_seneca> boklm: hi 19:09:35 <boklm> hi 19:09:40 <obgr_seneca> we just have a simple question 19:09:43 <marja> boklm: obgr_seneca wants to ask you something :) 19:09:44 <MrsB2> thankyou :) 19:10:00 <obgr_seneca> what file formats are allowed to upload in our wiki? 19:10:35 <boklm> currently following extentions are allowed: 'png','gif','jpg','jpeg','pdf','tiff','ps','odt','ods','odp','odg', 'txt' 19:11:25 <obgr_seneca> could we extend that to ogm? we have a guy who'd like to do some video documentation 19:11:33 <boklm> ok 19:11:36 <obgr_seneca> thanks 19:11:38 <marja> boklm: great :) 19:11:45 <MrsB2> that was easy 19:12:10 <MrsB2> simon, you wanted to ask about an extension too didnt you 19:12:11 <obgr_seneca> #info ogm video will be possible to upload in the future 19:12:36 <obgr_seneca> by the way do we need all those odf formats? 19:12:48 <simonnzg> Yes, graphs. I wanted to use the GraphViz extension to produce flow charts, if that's possible.. 19:13:08 <obgr_seneca> what's the file extension? 19:13:38 <simonnzg> It's a Plugin, I suppose, not an extension. 19:13:54 <simonnzg> https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4402 19:13:58 <marja> simonnzg: is it the mediawiki plugin for flowcharts? 19:14:10 <simonnzg> one of them, yes. 19:14:25 <obgr_seneca> boklm: thanks, that was fast :) 19:14:26 <marja> marja: I'm all for it :) 19:14:45 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: marja: could you assign that bug to me? 19:14:52 <marja> OK 19:14:56 <simonnzg> :-) 19:15:09 <boklm> first extension needs to be packaged 19:15:24 <boklm> before we can install it 19:15:26 <obgr_seneca> boklm: that's why I asked for assigning it to me 19:15:43 <boklm> ok 19:16:19 <marja> obgr_seneca: it's your bug now 19:16:22 <obgr_seneca> boklm: one other question: would it be possible to send me a dump of the wiki database? 19:16:29 <obgr_seneca> So I can play with it? 19:17:07 <boklm> ok 19:17:11 <obgr_seneca> thanks 19:17:26 <MrsB2> we should have info's for these 19:17:26 <obgr_seneca> ok, next one then 19:18:06 <obgr_seneca> #action, obgr_seneca look into bug 4402 (mediawiki graph extensions) 19:18:22 <obgr_seneca> #info boklm will send a db dump of the wiki db to obgr_seneca 19:18:26 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: ok? 19:18:37 <MrsB2> and the extension added too :) 19:18:50 <MrsB2> shows we've actually done something :D 19:19:11 <marja> MrsB2: that was allready done <obgr_seneca> #info ogm video will be possible to upload in the future 19:19:23 <MrsB2> oh yes, sorry I missed that one 19:19:28 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:19:52 <obgr_seneca> I thought I asked JohnR about writing some wiki page for the calenco thing 19:20:13 <obgr_seneca> but I seem not to have added an info or an action :/ 19:20:33 <obgr_seneca> oups, there he goes 19:20:47 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: maybe someone could begin with what (s)he understand and JohnR could proofread, no ? 19:21:11 <marja> grenoya: good idea :) would you like to start? 19:21:15 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: yes 19:21:32 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: I think you are the one having done most with it till now? 19:21:58 <simonnzg> I can check, if you want. I have a different XML editor, but I can see what I can do. 19:22:30 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: would be great 19:22:45 <obgr_seneca> #action simonnzg begin a wiki page on calenco work 19:22:59 <obgr_seneca> #action JohnR proofread and check it 19:23:04 <simonnzg> I can put a flow chart onto it, can't I ;-) 19:23:12 <obgr_seneca> #action rest of doc team: help! 19:25:06 <grenoya> sorry, I'm back (electricity pb here, so internet cuts :\) 19:25:09 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: I will hurry up on those extensions 19:25:19 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: :( 19:25:29 <marja> grenoya: ouch 19:25:39 <MrsB2> will the extension have to be puched to mga1? 19:25:42 <obgr_seneca> french electricity having problems with the cold? 19:25:43 <MrsB2> pushed* 19:25:53 * grenoya notes : no more pyrolyse during meetings 19:26:10 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: no, just me :) 19:26:11 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: I think we could do it, it was done for other things needed for the infra 19:26:12 <simonnzg> Just un-TAR the tarball into mediawiki/extensions and add one line into the LocalSetting.php referencing it and you're done ;-) 19:26:24 <simonnzg> Who needs a package? 19:26:32 <MrsB2> Its certainly something we should make an exception for 19:26:57 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: I will discuss it 19:27:00 <MrsB2> ok 19:27:36 <MrsB2> dinner is ready 19:27:46 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: it's better to not install things outside the package managemment 19:27:46 <boklm> we can rebuild the cauldron package to install it on the servers 19:27:54 <marja> enjoy your dinner, MrsB2 19:28:06 <obgr_seneca> MrsB2: thanks for being here 19:28:22 <obgr_seneca> boklm: I will package it for Cauldron then and tell you when it's done 19:28:40 <MrsB2> sorry, i'll have to duck out 19:28:47 <obgr_seneca> ok, now it's time to set a topic (I forgot :/ ) 19:28:54 <MrsB2> see you tomorrow :) 19:28:56 <obgr_seneca> #topic doc team leader 19:29:04 <obgr_seneca> see you, MrsB2 19:29:06 <marja> bye MrsB2 19:29:06 <grenoya> :) 19:29:07 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca: I'm running my wiki on a laptop in a cupboard, so I am able to hack it about a bit more than you can, I suppose. 19:29:14 <MrsB2> oh, marja gets my vote :) 19:29:25 <simonnzg> And mine! 19:29:32 <grenoya> and mine of course :) 19:29:41 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: I have a wiki installed here as well, as I took maintainership of mediawiki 19:29:54 <obgr_seneca> wait 1, please 19:30:15 <simonnzg> I was going to ask MrsB how to direct messages at people in Quassel.. In KVIRC you click on the name... 19:30:25 <obgr_seneca> #info obgr_seneca send a mail to doc-discuss about marja "volunteering" for doc team leader 19:30:37 <marja> we're not voting yet, obgr_seneca gave a week time for other candidates to step forward 19:30:39 <obgr_seneca> simonnzg: /msg nickname message 19:30:55 <simonnzg> That's slow! 19:31:02 <obgr_seneca> I thought it only fair to give other people a few days 19:31:13 <simonnzg> No, I meant /msg... 19:31:44 <obgr_seneca> After all, that was a kind of coup d'etat during fosdem carefully planned by grenoya to get rid of me :D 19:31:56 <simonnzg> Nobody will want the job now Marja has it. Everyone else is hiding! 19:32:03 <marja> lol 19:32:15 <simonnzg> I thought you'd all decided it was going to be her when she was out of the room ;-) 19:32:32 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: no, not to get ride of you of course to let you more time for other things :) 19:32:42 <marja> simonnzg: I plan on delegating again and again, you might be sorry 19:32:50 <simonnzg> Gulp. 19:32:52 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: thanks and I do need it, really 19:33:11 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: your welcome ! :) 19:33:35 <obgr_seneca> ok, any comment on the proceeding? 19:33:56 <grenoya> will it be fair ? 19:34:02 <obgr_seneca> I think we don't need epoll for it, since we are only a hand full of people and just one candidate? 19:34:10 <grenoya> not everbody can come here during meeting to vote 19:34:12 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: fait to whom? 19:34:24 <obgr_seneca> we can ask for votes on the ml? 19:34:39 <grenoya> I'm thinking of andre999, JohnR ... 19:34:39 <obgr_seneca> or I can actually use epoll? 19:34:51 <obgr_seneca> After all, we do have it... 19:34:58 <grenoya> mail or epoll is the same for me 19:35:13 <grenoya> and we know well the dev :) 19:35:30 * obgr_seneca thinks epoll is a bit of overkill for so few people 19:35:52 <grenoya> I can only agree to that :) 19:35:55 <obgr_seneca> #action obgr_seneca write an email asking for votes about doc team leadership 19:36:55 <obgr_seneca> ok, anything else about that? 19:37:43 <grenoya> nope 19:37:47 <marja> yes, voting shouldn't start before we are sure that all candidates stepped forward 19:38:15 <obgr_seneca> ok, so let's start voting on friday? 19:38:24 <marja> fine with me 19:38:29 <obgr_seneca> I'll write an email tommorow about it? 19:38:35 <marja> OK 19:38:38 <grenoya> ok for me too 19:38:49 <obgr_seneca> And leave the poll open till tuesday 19.00 UTC? 19:38:58 <marja> fine 19:39:16 <obgr_seneca> #topic other 19:39:20 <obgr_seneca> anything else? 19:39:48 <grenoya> yes : french wiki 19:40:07 <grenoya> do you have the name of the motivated translator ? 19:40:15 <marja> grinz 19:40:19 <obgr_seneca> ah, I did ask ennaelto ask the guy who asked her about it to get in touch with me 19:40:20 <grenoya> when will we open ? 19:40:31 <obgr_seneca> but nobody did 19:40:38 <grenoya> oh :\ 19:40:58 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: the exact time will depend on when I know who it is and the sysadmins 19:41:10 <grenoya> of course 19:41:23 <marja> can we have a discussion on the ml, about what to do when a wiki in another language drifts away from the english one? 19:41:24 <obgr_seneca> #action ask ennael again who it was who wanted to do work on french wiki 19:41:33 <obgr_seneca> of course 19:41:49 <marja> great :) 19:41:53 <obgr_seneca> #action marja start a discussion on what to do, when wikis drift apart 19:42:00 <obgr_seneca> :D 19:42:05 <marja> :) 19:42:34 <obgr_seneca> actually, we can open the German wiki at the same time 19:42:41 <obgr_seneca> as the french one 19:42:51 <grenoya> yes 19:43:07 <obgr_seneca> I don't know about other languages, but I put it on the agenda for i18n on thursday 19:43:07 <grenoya> is there a Dutch translator team ? 19:43:21 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: actually yes, it's called remmy 19:43:25 <marja> I think I read something on the brazilian forum about them longing for the pt_br wiki 19:43:47 <grenoya> obgr_seneca: oh poor guy, alone with the whole wiki :\ 19:43:52 <obgr_seneca> marja: you can read portuguese? 19:44:16 <obgr_seneca> grenoya: there are two others, but he's done most of the work 19:44:22 <marja> yes, but I didn't use it in years, I don't manage to write it any more 19:44:31 * grenoya can read scientific portuguese, but not sure for geek portuguese 19:44:36 <marja> grenoya: lol 19:44:40 <obgr_seneca> marja: that sounds not all that unknown to me 19:45:07 <obgr_seneca> (with swedish and french in my case) 19:45:17 <marja> and I learned it on the street, so I never spoke proper Portuguese 19:45:42 <obgr_seneca> marja: in portugal or brasil? 19:46:03 <marja> Portugal, I worked as an au pair in an USA family 19:46:19 <obgr_seneca> (we had quite a situation with a portuguese guy and the brasilians) 19:46:39 <marja> obgr_seneca: zé? 19:46:43 <obgr_seneca> (but that's off topic) 19:46:52 <obgr_seneca> marja: yes :/ 19:46:56 <marja> :( 19:47:23 <obgr_seneca> If you scan the i18n ml of that time, you will see me getting rather... 19:47:26 <obgr_seneca> ...pissed 19:47:55 <obgr_seneca> anything else on topic? 19:47:59 <marja> that is impossible... you're so always so calm 19:48:41 <marja> yes 19:48:56 <obgr_seneca> marja: I remember the sentence "you did what????" in capital letters and the face of my colleague sitting in the same office at that time :D 19:49:14 <marja> lol can we make it obligatory 19:49:30 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:49:45 <marja> can we make it obligatory for the people responsible for the wiki in another language 19:49:54 <marja> to join the documentation team? 19:50:01 <obgr_seneca> to keep in sync as far as possible? 19:50:08 <obgr_seneca> ah yes, both 19:50:10 <obgr_seneca> I'd say 19:50:23 <marja> and to have short lines... when they're in our meetings... 19:50:34 <marja> and in our IRC channel.. 19:50:40 <obgr_seneca> let's discuss that on the ml? 19:50:44 <marja> we might talk things over before 19:50:45 <marja> OK 19:52:00 <obgr_seneca> anything else? 19:52:07 <grenoya> no for me 19:52:16 <simonnzg> Not from me. 19:52:17 <marja> #action marja start discussion about making it obligatory for whoever are responsible for wiki's in other languages, to join doc team 19:52:33 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:52:35 <obgr_seneca> #endmeeting