19:03:45 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting 19:03:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Meeting started Tue Nov 15 19:03:45 2011 UTC. The chair is obgr_seneca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:45 <Inigo_Montoya> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:04:09 <obgr_seneca> Ok, first of all let me welcome yll of you on day 1 after opening the wiki :) 19:04:29 <obgr_seneca> #topic wiki status 19:04:57 <obgr_seneca> ok, the contents of the temporary wiki has been imported 19:05:05 <obgr_seneca> the structure is not too bad 19:05:22 <obgr_seneca> the links in the website, the forums and bugzilla have been adapted 19:05:44 <obgr_seneca> But we will keep the temporary wiki online as kind of archive for some time 19:05:56 <obgr_seneca> Any comments so far? 19:06:54 <simonnzg> No 19:07:01 <obgr_seneca> ok 19:07:42 <obgr_seneca> #topic jobs for the near future 19:07:54 * marja is dividing time between meeting and ill child, sorry 19:08:07 <obgr_seneca> marja: no prob 19:08:24 <marja> obgr_seneca: thx 19:08:41 <obgr_seneca> in my view we have two major jobs now 19:09:49 <obgr_seneca> 1.) Importing the help pages from mediawiki (as Marja had already started before I threatened her with some unpleasant things 19:10:11 <obgr_seneca> 2.) Beginning to work on some real documentation 19:10:56 * doktor5000 is sorry but he has to leave already, but will read the logs 19:11:04 <obgr_seneca> The first one of those jobs can be done behind the scenes 19:11:19 <obgr_seneca> At the moment, we have links there to the mediawiki help pages 19:11:28 <obgr_seneca> So we don't need to hurry 19:11:36 <obgr_seneca> doktor5000: see you 19:12:02 <obgr_seneca> The second job will be more public 19:12:35 <obgr_seneca> Since it will be done right under the user's eyes 19:16:00 <obgr_seneca> Ok, it seems I'm doign a monologue here... 19:16:15 <rindolf> Well, we can encourage people to put stuff on the wiki. 19:16:34 <obgr_seneca> rindolf: yes 19:16:37 <rindolf> Can we import documentation from the Mandriva wiki? 19:16:46 <rindolf> While giving attribution of course. 19:16:51 <obgr_seneca> I was hoping for skiper to be here tonight 19:17:08 <obgr_seneca> He wanted to talk to the guys at mlo about importing doc from there 19:17:35 <obgr_seneca> and yes, we can - in parts - import documentation from the Mandriva wiki since it is cc-by-sa 19:17:43 <rindolf> obgr_seneca: ah. 19:18:38 <obgr_seneca> I would use an approach like with our packages: The license does allow us to use content 19:18:51 <obgr_seneca> So we do, but we don't do blindly 19:19:55 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca, I was just thinking that it wouldn't be a good idea to simply fill our wiki with ML's one. 19:20:16 <obgr_seneca> yep 19:20:20 <simonnzg> Not a good way to win friends! 19:20:38 <obgr_seneca> I'm not sure we have friends over there :) 19:21:03 <marja> obgr_seneca: who decides abouthose templates that are in the Media Wiki help pages and maybe in pages we import from other wiki's? 19:21:20 <obgr_seneca> the doc team 19:21:34 <obgr_seneca> Hi MrsB, hi Akien 19:21:36 <Akien> Hi 19:21:40 <marja> Akien: MrsB: Hi 19:21:41 <MrsB> Hiya! 19:21:44 <Akien> Sorry for being late, I was still at the university 19:22:08 <MrsB> I was at the DIY store :( 19:22:13 <simonnzg> We could do without some paragraphs being left justified. They look wrong simply justified. 19:22:25 <simonnzg> Talking about page templates... 19:22:27 <obgr_seneca> I wouldn't use any kind of extended decision process 19:23:00 <obgr_seneca> Just an email to the ml and if nobody vetos... 19:26:33 <marja> obgr_seneca: how much time should we wait for others to veto? 19:27:08 <obgr_seneca> I'd say a day? 19:27:29 <marja> 24hrs? OK 19:27:40 <obgr_seneca> I like to count on people's good sense in not importing hundreds upon hundreds of templates 19:27:52 <obgr_seneca> but to use those that are there... 19:28:16 <obgr_seneca> I know, trust in people's good sense isn't always justified... 19:29:00 <Akien> As long as we can restore everything to how it was if someone wrecks havoc, I think this process is okay :) 19:29:07 <marja> lol 19:31:20 <obgr_seneca> Thankfully there is a versioning in the wiki... 19:31:47 <MrsB> I think we all deserve to pat ourselves on the back :) 19:31:58 <obgr_seneca> :) 19:32:04 <marja> MrsB: ;) 19:32:35 <MrsB> was there any feedback yet from anybody? 19:32:37 <obgr_seneca> ok, is there anything to discuss tonight? 19:32:50 <obgr_seneca> Anything that can't wait for the ml? 19:32:53 <marja> obgr_seneca: the Media Wiki had a {{Languages}} template 19:33:06 <marja> are we going to use that, too? 19:33:10 <obgr_seneca> (because I am kind of tired... 19:33:17 <marja> s /had /has 19:33:27 <obgr_seneca> marja: afaik yes 19:33:41 <marja> obgr_seneca: OK :) 19:33:44 <obgr_seneca> You mean for cross linking to other languages? 19:33:54 <marja> obgr_seneca: yes 19:34:06 <marja> obgr_seneca: it is in most, if not all, help pages 19:34:13 <MrsB> What does that mean marja? 19:34:19 <obgr_seneca> as I said, afaik yes 19:34:56 <marja> MrsB: that it shows the languages that page is available in, you can click on the wanted language 19:35:06 <marja> and see the page in that language 19:35:08 <MrsB> Ohh right, thanks :) 19:35:16 <obgr_seneca> Those languages usually are shown in the left hand menu then 19:36:08 <marja> obgr_seneca: in Media Wiki at the bottom of the page, in Wikipedia in the left hand menu 19:36:45 <obgr_seneca> In Mandriva wiki it was in the left hand menu 19:36:54 <obgr_seneca> see http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Installing_wireless_network_cards_using_the_b43_driver e.g. 19:37:17 <marja> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting/de at the bottom 19:37:25 <MrsB> Thats a good place for it 19:37:58 <MrsB> oh, the bottom looks better 19:38:18 <obgr_seneca> I have to see... 19:38:28 <marja> well, maybe we can discuss in the ml where we want it 19:38:38 <obgr_seneca> I think it depends on the skin... 19:38:48 <obgr_seneca> But I'm sure we can manage... 19:38:53 <marja> :) 19:39:30 <obgr_seneca> Ok folks 19:39:56 <Akien> marja: Did you install the software I developed? Namely, DetectWhenOliverUsesMany"..."ThatMeansHesTiredAndWantsToEndTheMeeting 1.0 ? 19:40:09 <marja> LOL 19:40:11 <MrsB> lol 19:40:21 <obgr_seneca> Shall we end the meeting so I can go to bed early (and get rid of that cold, I caught at the OpenRheinRuhr)? 19:40:25 <Akien> obgr_seneca: You can proceed :) 19:40:38 <marja> yes, end the meeting ;) 19:40:40 <MrsB> Ok, sorry for turning up late! 19:40:45 <obgr_seneca> Akien: Just wait young man, I will find some evil job for you :D 19:40:57 <obgr_seneca> #endmeeting