19:03:45 <obgr_seneca> #startmeeting
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19:04:09 <obgr_seneca> Ok, first of all let me welcome yll of you on day 1 after opening the wiki :)
19:04:29 <obgr_seneca> #topic wiki status
19:04:57 <obgr_seneca> ok, the contents of the temporary wiki has been imported
19:05:05 <obgr_seneca> the structure is not too bad
19:05:22 <obgr_seneca> the links in the website, the forums and bugzilla have been adapted
19:05:44 <obgr_seneca> But we will keep the temporary wiki online as kind of archive for some time
19:05:56 <obgr_seneca> Any comments so far?
19:06:54 <simonnzg> No
19:07:01 <obgr_seneca> ok
19:07:42 <obgr_seneca> #topic jobs for the near future
19:07:54 * marja is dividing time between meeting and ill child, sorry
19:08:07 <obgr_seneca> marja: no prob
19:08:24 <marja> obgr_seneca: thx
19:08:41 <obgr_seneca> in my view we have two major jobs now
19:09:49 <obgr_seneca> 1.) Importing the help pages from mediawiki (as Marja had already started before I threatened her with some unpleasant things
19:10:11 <obgr_seneca> 2.) Beginning to work on some real documentation
19:10:56 * doktor5000 is sorry but he has to leave already, but will read the logs
19:11:04 <obgr_seneca> The first one of those jobs can be done behind the scenes
19:11:19 <obgr_seneca> At the moment, we have links there to the mediawiki help pages
19:11:28 <obgr_seneca> So we don't need to hurry
19:11:36 <obgr_seneca> doktor5000: see you
19:12:02 <obgr_seneca> The second job will be more public
19:12:35 <obgr_seneca> Since it will be done right under the user's eyes
19:16:00 <obgr_seneca> Ok, it seems I'm doign a monologue here...
19:16:15 <rindolf> Well, we can encourage people to put stuff on the wiki.
19:16:34 <obgr_seneca> rindolf: yes
19:16:37 <rindolf> Can we import documentation from the Mandriva wiki?
19:16:46 <rindolf> While giving attribution of course.
19:16:51 <obgr_seneca> I was hoping for skiper to be here tonight
19:17:08 <obgr_seneca> He wanted to talk to the guys at mlo about importing doc from there
19:17:35 <obgr_seneca> and yes, we can - in parts - import documentation from the Mandriva wiki since it is cc-by-sa
19:17:43 <rindolf> obgr_seneca: ah.
19:18:38 <obgr_seneca> I would use an approach like with our packages: The license does allow us to use content
19:18:51 <obgr_seneca> So we do, but we don't do blindly
19:19:55 <simonnzg> obgr_seneca, I was just thinking that it wouldn't be a good idea to simply fill our wiki with ML's one.
19:20:16 <obgr_seneca> yep
19:20:20 <simonnzg> Not a good way to win friends!
19:20:38 <obgr_seneca> I'm not sure we have friends over there :)
19:21:03 <marja> obgr_seneca: who decides abouthose templates that are in the Media Wiki help pages and maybe in pages we import from other wiki's?
19:21:20 <obgr_seneca> the doc team
19:21:34 <obgr_seneca> Hi MrsB, hi Akien
19:21:36 <Akien> Hi
19:21:40 <marja> Akien: MrsB: Hi
19:21:41 <MrsB> Hiya!
19:21:44 <Akien> Sorry for being late, I was still at the university
19:22:08 <MrsB> I was at the DIY store :(
19:22:13 <simonnzg> We could do without some paragraphs being left justified. They look wrong simply justified.
19:22:25 <simonnzg> Talking about page templates...
19:22:27 <obgr_seneca> I wouldn't use any kind of extended decision process
19:23:00 <obgr_seneca> Just an email to the ml and if nobody vetos...
19:26:33 <marja> obgr_seneca: how much time should we wait for others to veto?
19:27:08 <obgr_seneca> I'd say a day?
19:27:29 <marja> 24hrs? OK
19:27:40 <obgr_seneca> I like to count on people's good sense in not importing hundreds upon hundreds of templates
19:27:52 <obgr_seneca> but to use those that are there...
19:28:16 <obgr_seneca> I know, trust in people's good sense isn't always justified...
19:29:00 <Akien> As long as we can restore everything to how it was if someone wrecks havoc, I think this process is okay :)
19:29:07 <marja> lol
19:31:20 <obgr_seneca> Thankfully there is a versioning in the wiki...
19:31:47 <MrsB> I think we all deserve to pat ourselves on the back :)
19:31:58 <obgr_seneca> :)
19:32:04 <marja> MrsB: ;)
19:32:35 <MrsB> was there any feedback yet from anybody?
19:32:37 <obgr_seneca> ok, is there anything to discuss tonight?
19:32:50 <obgr_seneca> Anything that can't wait for the ml?
19:32:53 <marja> obgr_seneca: the Media Wiki had a {{Languages}} template
19:33:06 <marja> are we going to use that, too?
19:33:10 <obgr_seneca> (because I am kind of tired...
19:33:17 <marja> s /had /has
19:33:27 <obgr_seneca> marja: afaik yes
19:33:41 <marja> obgr_seneca: OK :)
19:33:44 <obgr_seneca> You mean for cross linking to other languages?
19:33:54 <marja> obgr_seneca: yes
19:34:06 <marja> obgr_seneca: it is in most, if not all, help pages
19:34:13 <MrsB> What does that mean marja?
19:34:19 <obgr_seneca> as  I said, afaik yes
19:34:56 <marja> MrsB: that it shows the languages that page is available in, you can click on the wanted language
19:35:06 <marja> and see the page in that language
19:35:08 <MrsB> Ohh right, thanks :)
19:35:16 <obgr_seneca> Those languages usually are shown in the left hand menu then
19:36:08 <marja> obgr_seneca: in Media Wiki at the bottom of the page, in Wikipedia in the left hand menu
19:36:45 <obgr_seneca> In Mandriva wiki it was in the left hand menu
19:36:54 <obgr_seneca> see http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Installing_wireless_network_cards_using_the_b43_driver e.g.
19:37:17 <marja> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting/de at the bottom
19:37:25 <MrsB> Thats a good place for it
19:37:58 <MrsB> oh, the bottom looks better
19:38:18 <obgr_seneca> I have to see...
19:38:28 <marja> well, maybe we can discuss in the ml where we want it
19:38:38 <obgr_seneca> I think it depends on the skin...
19:38:48 <obgr_seneca> But I'm sure we can manage...
19:38:53 <marja> :)
19:39:30 <obgr_seneca> Ok folks
19:39:56 <Akien> marja: Did you install the software I developed? Namely, DetectWhenOliverUsesMany"..."ThatMeansHesTiredAndWantsToEndTheMeeting 1.0 ?
19:40:09 <marja> LOL
19:40:11 <MrsB> lol
19:40:21 <obgr_seneca> Shall we end the meeting so I can go to bed early (and get rid of that cold, I caught at the OpenRheinRuhr)?
19:40:25 <Akien> obgr_seneca: You can proceed :)
19:40:38 <marja> yes, end the meeting ;)
19:40:40 <MrsB> Ok, sorry for turning up late!
19:40:45 <obgr_seneca> Akien: Just wait young man, I will find some evil job for you :D
19:40:57 <obgr_seneca> #endmeeting